bare bones, keeping it simple, getting back the the VW roots....
Dave Rosique:
OK,
I told you about my "junkyard" motor... about a year or so later (around '74-75) I built this: 69X88 stock crank, aluminum flywheel, Howard H2 or H4 camshaft, dual port heads (ported by me), stock valves, dual valve springs, heads milled for high compression, power pulley, 1 5/8" merge header, 010, and the crowning glory... Berg Special 42's.
In my stock bodied, stock geared '64 Sunroof, with that motor I was able to beat the school rich kid's 1969 Z-28 Camaro in a drag race... felt pretty good, back then VW's were the the butt of many jokes.
Lastly, around '77-78 my '59 Ghia was powered by the same motor as above with exception of replacing the 88's with 90's, milling the first fin off the heads, changing to an Engle 120, and 48 IDA's... that stock bodied Ghia, on race gas with close ratio transmission ran a best of 14.16 at about 95 mph in the quarter... I was happy with that!
~DR.
67worshipper:
Quote from: nicolas on December 02, 2009, 21:09:03 pm
I hope Russel will chime in on this one, but it struck me that when he came to EBI1 (many moons ago now :P) he had a whole truck full of cars, so he could have picked the Randy Gates car, the chop top (ex Keiths), or a racecar if he would have liked to. but he opted to drive around to his hotel and cruisenight in Arnies 67 with a 1641, dual dells, w110,... engine and i had to ask him why not a different car and he said that this was the most fun car he had driven in a while. i think fun is indeed key in this topic.
anyone got pics of arnies motor? this thread is great and its stirred alot of people :D dave that was a quick ghia then for sure :o
Bugsy:
Finaly an engine thread for me :D
Love to read about all the nice engine combinations everybody have in there cars, beacuse it´s one of the main recipes for a callooker.
But theres no fonds for any enginebuild right now with three kids in school. The Stock 1600dp will have to give me the fun ride for the buck.
Always wanted a "callokoker" since i was about 12, but it took me 28 years before it happened. A powerfull engine would sit right on i the back, but as one gets older there´s more to life so there will probably never be the "big cc, always wanted engine" after all.
Thats why this thread fits in my budget. Get the best out of the stocker and still having fun driving my "callooker" :)
Jim Ratto:
My very first self built motor was a bit of a mutt. I was 17 years old, and had done as much as pull a motor on my own, so the thought of seeing the inner workings of my car's motor was like meeting God or something. Anyway, the parts began to pile up under my bed for a 1914, but the pile stopped when my pizza job showed its shortcomings, financially, so it got backed down to an 87 x 69, yet it was "turned up to 11." Months earlier I was driving a 1641 dual port, stock as stock can be, except for single 36DRLA and 009 and an S&S Header. Time and time again, other VW guys would blow my doors off. I got tired of being the momma's boy, so started collecting stuff in secret. At the same time, I began to get fascinated by small displacement old Porsche race stuff... still haven't got rid of that sickness.
Anyway, aftter months of learning about pinning main bearings, valvetrain geometry, cam gear to oil pump clearance...etc, my motor was in my car:
87mm cast Cimas
.040" align bored/thrust cut AE case
Rimco c/w 69mm crank
stock rods
12lb "black oxide" flywheel (Buggy House sold them way back, not sure where they got them, but they looked cool)
Engle VZ25 .470" x 288
out of the box 041 heads, flycut (not sure how much), 9:1
CB filter pump
Bugpack super sucker oil pickup
009
36 DRLA in the middle
S&S header
It idled horribly, @ 1500rpm. It was gargly and dim-witted under 4000rpm, but after that it would snap to attention and just sing. The 36mm carb always seemed like overkill on the previous engine, but now it gasped and growled and barked on this motor (later it was replaced with dual 36DRLAs). The exhaust note was super harsh and strident, once the thing cleared its throat... my neighbor hated me. I had this old VHS of a guy going around Riverside in an old 904 4 cam, and you could hear him pussy footing it thru the turns, but then lay into it once on the straights, and that Porsche would howl, and I think watching that video made my VW motor so much more fun... the Porsche sounded cranky and flat under its powerband, much like my car. But once it all came together, it would just shoot to 7000.
I drove this thing everywhere, for a few years. With the dual 36's, it behaved. It would idle @ 1000, and the power came on more progressively, and revved higher too. Once it sprouted the dual carbs, it was a car that could win the ocassional dumb ass street race in Pleasanton. My favorite "kill" was a stepside Chevy pickup w/ a 350 overbore, Performer manifold and Flowmasters. The guy couldn't believe it and all his ridiculing in high school about driving a VW developed into a friendship.
I can't say it was the fastest, or the most reliable, but it did things so differently than all the big motors that's been in my car since 1990, and really it was a ton of fun. I guess it showed me the door to bigger and better (?) things.
I built a similar setup for my ex's Super Beetle about 10 years ago, but despite being older and wiser, it came out a bit of a dud. I think it needed more cam.
181:
My first engine in my´61 was a 1600 dualport with kadrons, 009 and 4-1 header and single quiet pack, not bad on old 4.37:1 box. My current engine in my 181 is a 1500 singleport with kadrons on steel manifolds, 010 distributor and Bugpack header with single muffler, also very nice, cool engine for driving around town. Won´t beat many cars, but can give them first surprise on traffic lights.
My intentions were to build 1835 engine on a singleport 1600 industrial case, with thickwals, massaged singleport heads, with 1.4 rockers and sime mild cam, bumped up compression to 8.5:1, lightened flywheel, Kadrons with old style air cleaners and berg linkage, 019 distributor and some vintage exhaust, but was talked to my 2276 engine kitchenbuild instead:-)
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