bare bones, keeping it simple, getting back the the VW roots....
Neil Davies:
That sounds like a fun little motor, but should be really nice with a pair of 36 Dells. It's basically the 1776 version of my old 1584, which was great fun!
modnrod:
Quote from: Jeff68 on May 13, 2015, 13:25:08 pm
This is a great thread! You guys got me thinking......I have a pile of parts in my garage waiting for an engine like this. I just accumulated them, got the parts for not much money when I had not much money to spare.....Bug spray carb with offenhauser manifold, 009 distributor, used 90.5 pistons and cyls, stock standard / standard 69mm vw crank, berg 1 3/8 header with single quiet pack, set of rebuilt stock vw rods, set of new vw dual port heads with 3 angle valve job, achiever pulley, new set of stock plug wires, blue coil, uncut vw dual relief case...ect Before I built my 2110 I was going to build just a mild motor so I searched high and low for good cheap parts. Then I gave up and just saved for the NICE stuff and built the 2110....Now if I just have to find some damn TIME to put it together and find a cheap decent car to put the engine in.....
Sounds like THE plan! Oh, but stick a cam in it, ESPECIALLY when running a centremount, and even more so with the Holley.
Something with about 250* - 260* @ .050" will make it lump and snort at idle, use straight cuts too, then add a heap of compression.
It won't idle well, it'll be anti-social and cough and fart in traffic, and have bugger-all under 3000. Putting 2 nicely tuned Webers on it will make it quite nice and civil, but where's the fun in that? ;D
Get the revs past 4000 with your foot in, and like Jim said it will snarl and sing it's way past 6000 ready for the next gear.
Repeat.
Repeat.
My special order cam for my economy motor is beautiful and smooth, really efficient, excellent on fuel.........and about as boring as batshit.
I'm going to get the nice people at Schneider Cams to make me another one just like the recipe above.
8)
Jesse Wens:
I bought my first car at 20 years old... a 1971 1300 DP semi auto. Drove it around for a while untill the dutch guys from keversite.nl did a track day. From then on I hated the semi auto en felt the need for more power. Money was no where to be found being a student and the first european bugin was coming fast. I tore down the 1300 to make it a bit faster only to be told that the rebuilding parts alone where out of my reach.
Luckaly I had a 1200 1970's engine laying around and I read this article in a french magazine about putting some 1300 DP heads on it.
I had the heads from the 1300 rebuilt and bored for around 8,5 CR and put them on the 1200, adapted the tinware to the doghouse kind and got it running a 009 and a set of 36DRLA carbs I bought for a case of beer and rebuild myself.
That engine was a lot of fun.
And because the DP look of it and the way I drove it nobody believed it was a 1192 cc engine.
Later I put a turbo on that same engine and drove A 15,25 in a stripped full steel bug.
On day I will build me that engine again, but then with all tricks I have learned since and probably in type 3 discuise for my fastback
Torben Alstrup:
Hmm, well, 20 years ago a hopped up 90-100 hp 1600 was reasonably fast and an ok fun factor today I feel that if a beetle should be really fun it needs to be in the 130 - 170 hp range.
That said I still do a lot of stocker plus and sub 130 hp engines. In fact thatīs most of what I do. And I can easily find the fun factor with these engines too. Everything at the right time.
But it is ALWAYS fun to come with an underdog of an engine and surprise the big cc guys on the turn pike or on the freeway ;D
T
wolfswest:
I just stumbled upon this old topic, got me thinkering... It seems that almost every "basic build" starts with a 1600 or 1641 base. Look at the Swedish 1600 challenge that's going on right now, great stuff!
Now, some of the engines built right there are next level stuff but to shift it back to the basic "sweet 16" or in Europe "sweet 18" :) engine: why does almost every build start with the 1600 base?
Is it because the 1300 DP isn't that common in the States? The cost of a 1600 cilinder/piston kit is the same as a 1300 or 1500 kit? Does that lousy 300cc really make the big difference in drivability? Or will the 300cc's be more forgiving if the balance of the whole engine isn't "right"? Or the old bigger is better kinda way of thinking, there is no replacement for displacement?
Look at the alfa romeo 105 series nord engines, the base model: a 1300 engine. Also a 60's, 70's design. It produces 90hp, makes plenty RPM, great sound. If you can create that package in a beetle which is a much lighter car then the alfa then you got yourself a sweet vintage balanced ride, no?
Okay, I'm talking about a car that can do everything, working heater, great mileage, long runs, short runs, a quick fun shopping run, fun ride on sunday, not too loud, not too harsh, family car that "hauls ass" with NO compromises on a budget Not your white knuckle 2276 only good for straights kinda ride...
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