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« Reply #30 on: October 25, 2006, 21:34:42 pm »

Here's a picture of the NOS Controller....

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« Reply #31 on: October 25, 2006, 21:38:39 pm »

Here it is in the car...

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« Reply #32 on: October 25, 2006, 21:40:04 pm »

Here is my my Fuel Set-up for the Nitrous...

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« Reply #33 on: October 25, 2006, 21:45:47 pm »

This is something I'm working on...

It's an adapter for the NOS activation Button that goes on the Empi GT Wheel, as i don't want to drill holes in my Sterring Wheel!!!

It'll be hold on the Wheel by two little lips on the adapterplate and one little screw that will go thrue the original Opening in the spoke of the Wheel...

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« Reply #34 on: October 25, 2006, 21:54:44 pm »

That's a slick piece to put the NOS button on the wheel.
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« Reply #35 on: October 25, 2006, 22:33:33 pm »

That's a slick piece to put the NOS button on the wheel.

Thanxs Rick... Wink

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« Reply #36 on: October 26, 2006, 07:50:27 am »

Looking good Frank!

Me too have the NOS button on the steering using a self made adapter quite similar to yours (thanks to Tekken for the nice looking piece) I liked the idea to have a button instead of a trigger down at the pedal or around one of the carbs. I have the flat4 copy of your steering wheel.

I installed the solenoids on top of the fan house and I have mounted the nozzles on the inside of the manifolds using flexible wires from the solenoids. I drilled the jets on the nozzle side to oversize (1mm) and I change jets on the solenoid side instead. This way I only change 2 jets instead of 8 down at the manifolds.

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« Reply #37 on: October 27, 2006, 17:43:33 pm »

Looking good Frank!

Me too have the NOS button on the steering using a self made adapter quite similar to yours (thanks to Tekken for the nice looking piece) I liked the idea to have a button instead of a trigger down at the pedal or around one of the carbs. I have the flat4 copy of your steering wheel.

I installed the solenoids on top of the fan house and I have mounted the nozzles on the inside of the manifolds using flexible wires from the solenoids. I drilled the jets on the nozzle side to oversize (1mm) and I change jets on the solenoid side instead. This way I only change 2 jets instead of 8 down at the manifolds.

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Hi Beetlebug,

Do have more Pics of your NOS Set-up?

What Nozzles are you Using there, or are they simply Polished?

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« Reply #38 on: October 27, 2006, 20:56:51 pm »

Hi,

I`m crazy but I`m not that crazy that I would polish my nitrous nozzles  Smiley

They are the annular discharge stainless straight spray ones from NOS. I do have some more picks, I just need to find them. Is it anything special you want to see a picture of? It is a very simple set up but it works.

On this year engine my manifolds are heavily welded but there is still room for them on the inside.

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« Reply #39 on: February 25, 2008, 18:34:46 pm »

Any More Opinions on this subject... Wink

Please Post Pictures of your Own Nitrous Installations... Wink

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« Reply #40 on: February 25, 2008, 18:43:46 pm »

Any More Opinions on this subject... Wink

Please Post Pictures of your Own Nitrous Installations... Wink

Frank

Shit, I totally forgot. I will see if I can find some of mine set up. You can aslo check out Roars set up here; www.nitrousbeetle.com His engine is really nice and pushes his race car over the line in 10 something. If I remember correctly it dynoed 253 without the NOS and then he added around 135hp. You can find all the info you need on his page.

Look forward to the first time you push the button.. I did the happy happy dance outside first time I pushed it and people thought I was loosing it  Smiley
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« Reply #41 on: February 25, 2008, 18:48:16 pm »

Any More Opinions on this subject... Wink

Please Post Pictures of your Own Nitrous Installations... Wink

Frank

Shit, I totally forgot. I will see if I can find some of mine set up. You can aslo check out Roars set up here; www.nitrousbeetle.com His engine is really nice and pushes his race car over the line in 10 something. If I remember correctly it dynoed 253 without the NOS and then he added around 135hp. You can find all the info you need on his page.

Look forward to the first time you push the button.. I did the happy happy dance outside first time I pushed it and people thought I was loosing it  Smiley

Thanxs for the Infos Dude,

Looks there is little interest on the Subject.....exept for us... Wink

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« Reply #42 on: February 25, 2008, 18:51:45 pm »

back in 1995 I put my line-loc button on a similar piece of ally mounted on my steering wheel in the correct location for my right hand thumb - it works really well. a lot of non-VW people ask what it's for, and the easiest way to explain is to show them... Wink 
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« Reply #43 on: February 25, 2008, 19:02:21 pm »

hee frank

i am also in the process off getting a complete system and i am looking what to buy at this moment my toughts where the wet system and the didital processor also, but i see you are also running a complete extra fuel system is that correct ??
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« Reply #44 on: February 25, 2008, 19:04:16 pm »

hee frank

i am also in the process off getting a complete system and i am looking what to buy at this moment my toughts where the wet system and the didital processor also, but i see you are also running a complete extra fuel system is that correct ??

Yes it is, and probably the only way to do correctly... Wink

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« Reply #45 on: February 25, 2008, 19:16:32 pm »

hee frank

i am also in the process off getting a complete system and i am looking what to buy at this moment my toughts where the wet system and the didital processor also, but i see you are also running a complete extra fuel system is that correct ??

Yes it is, and probably the only way to do correctly... Wink

Frank

First year I used one pump, one 8mm line, 8mm outlet from the original tank and two regulators - worked fine and nothing bad happened. But I only had a 40hp shot. I did not retard the ignition and I did have a fuel pressure drop. Lucky? Perhaps. I did install two pumps and one extra 10mm line the year after - no problems. If you have a effective pump, big enough fuel line I do believe you can get away with a singel system up to a certain level.

I used Holley blue and their crappy regulators but I will never buy that pump and regulator again. Noisy and cheap looking both the pump and the regulator. I do like their new black series though but have not tried them.

I would love to see a VW with a real professional system with 2,3 or 4 stages and one hell of a shot.

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« Reply #46 on: February 25, 2008, 19:19:10 pm »

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« Reply #47 on: February 26, 2008, 07:46:32 am »

Nitrous...it is fun to work with as long as you stay on safe side.

I also use a separate gas tank for the Nitrous and I run BOSCH fuel pump for the injection with regulater(with fuel return bypass).

Many said keep the fuel pressure as 6psi for nitrous....or so but since I use injection pump, I run with 47psi !!!(Fuel jet size #16)  and my current Nitrous jet size in #28

Also use MSD multi retard system, so every time I squeeze it timing will retard 4degree.

So far, no problem on this set up. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #48 on: February 26, 2008, 17:26:22 pm »

What do you Guys think?

Is Nitrous part of the Cal-Look or is it a No No...

Frank


Nitrous is IT. Do it the man way, (NO TIMING RETARD, NO FULL THROTTLE MICRO SWITCH,) just like Mason, grab a handfull and GO
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« Reply #49 on: February 26, 2008, 17:43:06 pm »

What do you Guys think?

Is Nitrous part of the Cal-Look or is it a No No...

Frank


Nitrous is IT. Do it the man way, (NO TIMING RETARD, NO FULL THROTTLE MICRO SWITCH,) just like Mason, grab a handfull and GO

Thanxs for the Pictures... Wink

How much Nitrous do you inject???

Would love to see Dave Mason around here on the Lounge Wink!!!

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« Reply #50 on: February 26, 2008, 17:50:37 pm »

What do you Guys think?

Is Nitrous part of the Cal-Look or is it a No No...

Frank


Nitrous is IT. Do it the man way, (NO TIMING RETARD, NO FULL THROTTLE MICRO SWITCH,) just like Mason, grab a handfull and GO

Thanxs for the Pictures... Wink

How much Nitrous do you inject???

Would love to see Dave Mason around here on the Lounge Wink!!!

Frank


I think it's a #24 or 22 jet in the nitrous and a #26 on the fuel. I've got a Holley fuel pump and a separate -8 hard line for the nitrous. It's been a long time since I've messed with the jetting, but it runs strong. I've been bugging Dave to come on here, I usually see him on Saturday mornings at Cars and Coffe in Irvine. I'll bug him again. Glenn
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« Reply #51 on: February 26, 2008, 18:00:31 pm »

Sounds great...Get him overhere!!! Wink

What is your best ET so far..Huh

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« Reply #52 on: February 26, 2008, 18:54:16 pm »

I like your attitude - look at pauter-tom here on the Lounge (http://www.bugwahn-dragracing.de/ ). If I remember correctly he used a 200hp shot without any kind of retard or controller. That got to be on hell of kick!

Here is a question to you; why do you change jets at the nozzle end forcing you to change more jets compared to what you could get away with if you changed it at the solenoid end. By doing this you only change two jets and it takes 10 minutes. I drilled my nozzle side jets to a oversize (1,5mm) and used one 34 and one 32 jet.

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« Reply #53 on: February 26, 2008, 19:29:25 pm »

What do you Guys think?

Is Nitrous part of the Cal-Look or is it a No No...

Frank


Nitrous is IT. Do it the man way, (NO TIMING RETARD, NO FULL THROTTLE MICRO SWITCH,) just like Mason, grab a handfull and GO

I didn't know you were squeezing!
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« Reply #54 on: February 26, 2008, 19:30:20 pm »

What do you Guys think?

Is Nitrous part of the Cal-Look or is it a No No...

Frank


Nitrous is IT. Do it the man way, (NO TIMING RETARD, NO FULL THROTTLE MICRO SWITCH,) just like Mason, grab a handfull and GO

Thanxs for the Pictures... Wink

How much Nitrous do you inject???

Would love to see Dave Mason around here on the Lounge Wink!!!

Frank


I think it's a #24 or 22 jet in the nitrous and a #26 on the fuel. I've got a Holley fuel pump and a separate -8 hard line for the nitrous. It's been a long time since I've messed with the jetting, but it runs strong. I've been bugging Dave to come on here, I usually see him on Saturday mornings at Cars and Coffe in Irvine. I'll bug him again. Glenn

I didn't think that he even had a cornputer...  Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #55 on: February 26, 2008, 20:31:25 pm »

Go get Dave Mason a Computer then... Wink Grin Grin

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« Reply #56 on: February 26, 2008, 20:33:36 pm »

Nitrous...it is fun to work with as long as you stay on safe side.

I also use a separate gas tank for the Nitrous and I run BOSCH fuel pump for the injection with regulater(with fuel return bypass).

Many said keep the fuel pressure as 6psi for nitrous....or so but since I use injection pump, I run with 47psi !!!(Fuel jet size #16)  and my current Nitrous jet size in #28

Also use MSD multi retard system, so every time I squeeze it timing will retard 4degree.

So far, no problem on this set up. Roll Eyes

I did not get something there, you running 47 PSI Fuel pressure on the Nitrous Side???

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« Reply #57 on: February 27, 2008, 03:16:57 am »

Fuel for the Nitrous come from separate fuel tank @ 47psi,  Nitrous pressure @950  Roll Eyes
Ntrous jet#28 Fuel#16

Squeeze on 3rd and 4th only made 12.17@112.6mph
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« Reply #58 on: February 27, 2008, 05:45:25 am »

Nitrous...it is fun to work with as long as you stay on safe side.

I also use a separate gas tank for the Nitrous and I run BOSCH fuel pump for the injection with regulater(with fuel return bypass).

Many said keep the fuel pressure as 6psi for nitrous....or so but since I use injection pump, I run with 47psi !!!(Fuel jet size #16)  and my current Nitrous jet size in #28

Also use MSD multi retard system, so every time I squeeze it timing will retard 4degree.

So far, no problem on this set up. Roll Eyes

I did not get something there, you running 47 PSI Fuel pressure on the Nitrous Side???

Frank

Frank,its just like on an EFI car Wink  and a more consistent fuel pressure is the bonus Cheesy

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« Reply #59 on: February 29, 2008, 22:19:37 pm »

I took this pictures at Euro bug in. I forget the name of the owner of the car and I'm sure he's on the lounge (Sorry  Roll Eyes), but that's the one which receive the price for best cal look. A VW from the DFL.
Take a look how the Nos buttons is mounted.



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