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« on: February 21, 2007, 13:25:22 pm » |
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Hi Guys.. I was thinking about the possibilities of building a stout budget engine using std rods. Do you guys have any idea about the "abuse" stock rods can handle? How many revs/HP's or what size crank would be the limit for those rods... Thanks, Jordy  |
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« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2007, 15:01:49 pm » |
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Good question I too would like some more info on this  |
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« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2007, 15:29:35 pm » |
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They are very overbuilt! I believe Mark H saying that you can give them up to about 170hp with no problems. Just make sure they are balanced well.
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Jordy/DVK
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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2007, 15:40:04 pm » |
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And for $ 35,- for a set of rebuild/rebushed they're not expensive at all...
Is it possible/recommended to use ARP 2k bolts with stock rods?
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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2007, 18:34:31 pm » |
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yes it is jordy, i have the feeling you've been reading my mind our ideas are pretty similar |
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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2007, 18:51:04 pm » |
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Well my tight budget got me thinking. Why pay $214,- if a set of $35,- will do the same trick... The same with lifters if $32,- Mahles are okay for now, why pay a $110,- for CB lightweights... The only parts I'm really doubting about are the heads... I think a pair of nice heads and 1.4 rockers is money well spent... Is it possible/recommended to use ARP 2k bolts with stock rods?
Yes it is, and it's recommended to do so... |
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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2007, 19:12:29 pm » |
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Rimco super rods used to be a deal. Now they are $175 plus a core charge of $20.
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« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2007, 19:25:12 pm » |
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quite a change from rebalanced and rebushed stock VW rods, don't you think Luke. how come rimco is expensive as well these days? |
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« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2007, 20:09:23 pm » |
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Rimco super rods used to be a deal. Now they are $175 plus a core charge of $20.
That's $160,- dollars more than a set of std rods from Serrano's... I'm asking this because I think that I'm wasting my money if I buy H-beams for say $214,- for use in a 1914cc weekend warrior.. I think the money saved ($180,-) will be better spent on a set of Steve Tims stage 2 heads... |
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« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2007, 20:51:19 pm » |
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We run a 78mm crank with the berg 191s rods wich are vw rods, stroke relieved .they handle a lot of rpm abuse around 7500rpm for year now without any problem.We ran 13-14" on the 1/4 miles with the engine(2074cc) and a stock gear box in a fully bodied car.Sometimes better use good vw original parts vs no name low price hi po ones if not needed !! |
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« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2007, 00:07:31 am » |
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The rod bolts have gotten really expensive. Even with stock bolts, VW rods are an excellent choice for budget builds.
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« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2007, 00:39:31 am » |
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even if budget builds are build to go fast?  |
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« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2007, 14:49:11 pm » |
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I bought RIMCO's Super Rods for my 2110. They come with bolts by SPS. I have no reservations about using them.
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« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2007, 06:37:48 am » |
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Stock rods are fine on a 78 stroke. I have used them over 9000 rpm with no problems. Stock Porsche rods would be another story....
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« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2007, 07:37:39 am » |
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yea bill learn the hard way on the porsche rod stuff luckely his crank was saveble and thoese magic heads . an engine i had years ago that i sold to a freind had vw 191s and he had gone thure the lights at 9200. many many times. i still belive in the vw rod defenetly a strong rod indeed. and thats with the stock bolts i call them the elephant bolts. its the febi bolts that are junk. |
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« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2007, 00:30:01 am » |
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post it here not to start a whole new topic
can stock rods be used with a 84mm crank? i have bought the crank and the rods came with it. all balanced it seems, but i will redo that, because it has no pulley.
do i need to consider other rods? what brand and what lenght?
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« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2011, 15:25:41 pm » |
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are stock rods forged? who sells new replacement bolts for them?
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« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2011, 16:48:59 pm » |
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Back when I started racing my old '67 we were running stock, prepped rods on a 78 welded stroker. Combo worked great for multiple races and many runs. I had to say goodbye to them testing one day at 8600rpm shifting into 3rd  Definitely no problem suing them again some time on a street motor under 8K Just my opinion ... |
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« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2011, 20:52:01 pm » |
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...are stock rods forged? who sells new replacement bolts for them?.... It doesn't matter how they are made, they are DAMN strong! |
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« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2011, 21:14:34 pm » |
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...are stock rods forged? who sells new replacement bolts for them?.... It doesn't matter how they are made, they are DAMN strong! The original old ones are forged . Do some polishing on them if you want to do and they are strong enough for your engine Udo |
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« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2011, 16:35:26 pm » |
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I used the Rimco Super Rods on my 350hp Turbo Engine with no problem.
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« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2011, 19:00:29 pm » |
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I used the Rimco Super Rods on my 350hp Turbo Engine with no problem.
Yup, I remember Dave & Judy telling me that if I couldn't afford Carrillo's run Rimco Super Rods. Dave swore by them. It's all in the bolts… |
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« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2011, 19:55:18 pm » |
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« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2011, 21:21:55 pm » |
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we use Udo rods for three saisons now on rally use without problems
Also motors that realise stock rods work fine even at 7500 and up.
Carefull total assembly and balancing is the way.
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« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2011, 00:51:24 am » |
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i think also weight saving concern when it come to H beam. plan to run aluminum rods and JE pistons for my circuit race bug.
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« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2011, 19:33:46 pm » |
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« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2011, 20:29:13 pm » |
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Hey UDO,
They are CM, Dave Kawell had looked at a set and really liked them also. The crankshafts are real nice also, I have 2 of them ( 86 stroke type 4 centers, one flange the other wedgemated) I would prefer buying products made in North Carolina but I am limited to whats available as far as origin. Mike
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« Reply #28 on: February 16, 2011, 22:46:49 pm » |
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nevermind the rods  anybody noticed the heads on that revmaster website? the 049s looks interesting plus i like the 12mm 3/4 plug reach anybody got experiences on these? |
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« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2011, 00:14:08 am » |
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I used the Rimco Super Rods on my 350hp Turbo Engine with no problem.
Yup, I remember Dave & Judy telling me that if I couldn't afford Carrillo's run Rimco Super Rods. Dave swore by them. It's all in the bolts… what bolts you suggest to go with the stock rods? |
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