My 65 race car

[Andy Sykes]

i got a whole day in the workshop to and ive nearly completed one A Arm

it all started here






then two



cutting up the CDS tube



and one nearly done







thast the easy bit ive got to make the other exactly the same no thats the challenge

cheers andy

[Andy Sykes]

well i went out today to get some printer ink and fell into the workshop 

this is how they will fit



TIGed up the bosses didnt turn out too bad i dont do much welding







cheers andy

[Andy Sykes]

good news is ive got my car back now to go to bruce for painting

ive finished the other arm all i have to do if fab up a bracket for the coil overs



for a bit of extra strength i plug weled the bosses in as well



cheers andy

[Andy Sykes]

The java charger has reached the paint shop woo hoo it's down hill now



Cheers andy

[Richyrich]

Nice work Andy, Oh how i miss a workshop ,

[Andy Sykes]

bit done today started taking the car apart again





transmission out



i like this bit



time to take the diff out











ring gear on the quaife just need the new bearings now and find out if i need any preload i havent spotted anything yet but there maybe shims behind the bearing but not checked that yet




cheers andy

[Andy Sykes]

Thanks to ricola I have the diff set up details all looks v easy 









Just got to get hold of shims now if I need any

Cheers andy

[Andy Sykes]

thought i would weld in the heater pockets and give it a try



20amps needed for all 4 plugs



and in one hour we have just over 90 Deg C and 50 Deg C in the oil feed line



so looks like that works

cheers andy

[Andy Sykes]

I thought I would have a go at making the breather/catch tank for the VAC pump

Baffles and 4" tube




Baffles welded in place




All welded up didn't turn out too bad I defo need to practice welding aluminium lol




Cheers andy

[61ragtop]

Andy

What size are your front runners

Getting mine this week not sure if I should go for 22" or 24" tall

Cheers James aka beetleragtop

[Andy Sykes]

hi James mine are 22"

cheers andy

[Andy Sykes]

Got the car back for a few days while the paint shop is busy and started to fit the a arms



Got my pencil out to design the brakets I have moved to 22 mm hole as it was going to be too close when I welded the brackets on



Started cutting out



And then had to try one of the new wheels on



And that was about it today but I have changed my mind yet again I'm completely changing the motor now to a 4" oxyboxer as after a few discussions my T1 block is just not going to take it  so here we go again lol

Cheers andy

[richie]

Andy

i was thinking before you need to get those A arms mounted before paint but didnt want to interfere  


So why do you think your type 1 wont be enough,there are examples making over 700hp still with comp elim heads and flat tappet cam,my turd in the old cab makes enough power to go 8s,its just the driver that isnt up to it yet    
what advantages do you see with the 4inch oxyboxer?

cheers richie

[Andy Sykes]

Hi riche interfere when ever you like that's why I post to get others opinions ,I know a bit about engines a very small bit lol ( I'm a sparky) the main reason is I started building this a few years back planning on 300 bhp as you can see its gone a bit mad since. I was always worried about over 400 bhp on an 8 dowel. I have been told that will be fine if i wedgemate it but in my silly brain I can't get the idea of the the flywheel coming off. The advantages I can see is smaller crank and stronger case. I may be a bit of a fool but I do like like making things work and trying things. I think my main problem is I did my apprenticeship at BR and they overengineer everything lol

Cheers andy

[richie]

I am with you on trying things and making them work,I just like to actually drive it to see if it does before I change my mind again

Yes there are limitations to 8 dowell only cranks,I went that way when it was a nitrous car,I wegemated it when I 1st went turbo,that was about 9 years ago I think,that engine still lives today with the same crank/flywheel and its still on standard size,its had 2 other owners since though.
Mine was still 8 dowelled with wedgemate when it ran the 9.23@152 so it is plenty strong.

The 4inch bore area does give more power potential that 94mm bore,i dont see why you would go smaller on the crank though? the main 2 problems with the 4inch stuff is cost,and availability,its hard enough getting quality parts for 94 bore in a reasonable time scale,4inch seems to take years longer,anyway enough of my ramblings,keep on progressing forward

cheers richie


BR? british rail? if so that explains why nothing ever gets finished

[dannyboy]

BR? british rail? if so that explains why nothing ever gets finished
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dont say that he is going to be doing some work on my car tomorrow 
 

[Andy Sykes]

You pair of wankxxs l I do finish things I've got two kids  the wife may have another view mind

[Richyrich]

Yer Guys, It was also raining and there was leaf`s on the line,  .. didnt mean it, love this build, keep it up Buddy...

[BeetleBug]

With what we know today about clutches the 8 dowels are not a problem. 400 - 500 - 750 hp... I dont think it even matter but hit it with 150hp, a stage 4 and a angry disc and you can easily snap it off. There is a thread here on The Lounge where you can find the calculations on what a dowel/original style crank can take.

Not sure why I wrote this since you have anyway decided to build a new engine and go the WBX route that is so popular today. I think I even spotted one for sale on TheSamba where they called it Type 5 - Oxy 

Keep feeding us with pictures and comments, it is one of my favourite threads here.

Best rgs
BB

[Andy Sykes]

With what we know today about clutches the 8 dowels are not a problem. 400 - 500 - 750 hp... I dont think it even matter but hit it with 150hp, a stage 4 and a angry disc and you can easily snap it off. There is a thread here on The Lounge where you can find the calculations on what a dowel/original style crank can take.

Not sure why I wrote this since you have anyway decided to build a new engine and go the WBX route that is so popular today. I think I even spotted one for sale on TheSamba where they called it Type 5 - Oxy  

Keep feeding us with pictures and comments, it is one of my favourite threads here.

Best rgs
BB

Cheers thanks I will have a look on the samba I've done a bit today took most of the day working out we're things are going to and what room I do and don't have in the back

Finish off the brackets I've gone for M22 bolts very OTT but I think they will be ok lol



Tacked the A arms in place





Got this far





Any input would be great about this bit there's a few more tubes to go in yet so I'm happy but will it work?

Somebody left there heap I'm my workshop today if anybody knows who it is before I clamp it lol



Cheers andy

[dannyboy]

you were supposed to be working on my car  not welding bits to the neverending story 

[Andy Sykes]

you were supposed to be working on my car  not welding bits to the neverending story 

Your turns tmw you can't expect a sparky to do things straight away lol

[thejohn66]

Somebody left there heap I'm my workshop today if anybody knows who it is before I clamp it lol



Cheers andy

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If you clamp it Andy you will never get rid. If I was you I would have it towed to the pound  

[Andy Sykes]

I did try to sell it to a pikey but it weighs fuck all lol

[Fasterbrit]

Andy... I don't want to chuck a spanner into your works, but you have asked for input, so I will give you some based on my own experience. Your coilover mounts are way too weedy. By the looks of it, they are 2mm wall section mild still box tubing? On my car I managed to bend 4mm cro-mo brackets, so had to beef right up to 6mm thick lowers and 8mm uppers.

You will need springs somewhere in the region of 600-850lbs looking at the pivot points of your mounts and guessing your car's weight. This is obviously a guess, but that translates to a whole load of energy being transferred to that single bracket on launch. If there's one area you  need to BR (over-engineer) it's these mounts. Trust me

I would also make a lower mount that spreads the energy over at least two of your a-arm tubes, not one as you have it at the mo. Go for good surface area, and you won't bust it

Regards, Keeno

[Andy Sykes]

Andy... I don't want to chuck a spanner into your works, but you have asked for input, so I will give you some based on my own experience. Your coilover mounts are way too weedy. By the looks of it, they are 2mm wall section mild still box tubing? On my car I managed to bend 4mm cro-mo brackets, so had to beef right up to 6mm thick lowers and 8mm uppers.

You will need springs somewhere in the region of 600-850lbs looking at the pivot points of your mounts and guessing your car's weight. This is obviously a guess, but that translates to a whole load of energy being transferred to that single bracket on launch. If there's one area you  need to BR (over-engineer) it's these mounts. Trust me

I would also make a lower mount that spreads the energy over at least two of your a-arm tubes, not one as you have it at the mo. Go for good surface area, and you won't bust it

Regards, Keeno

That's great info thanks the top mount was a mock up I did think 4 mm would be so I will be upping that know

Cheer mat

[Andy Sykes]

bit done today ive been looking at the fly wheel ive had made im sure i can get it machined for Flange crank that would save a bit og money lol







fitted the bearing housing and trial fitted the brakes before welding the a arms in place



the wheels are on the will need a 30mm spacer



but they are on ish

cheers andy

[dannyboy]

good work mate did bruce ok the bonnet?

[Andy Sykes]

good work mate did bruce ok the bonnet?

Yes mate it got the Bruce seal of approval  thanks again

[Andy Sykes]

Little bit done today made the brackets for the second A arm and tacked in place I need the measure again and check it ok before I mig it in for good

 



Finished fitting the air scoops into the pop outs



Cheers andy