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Title: Berg crank prices
Post by: leec on March 25, 2016, 23:53:36 pm
Hi guys,

Saw this advert on thesamba, got me thinking will anyone actually pay that for a berg crank?

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1908677

When I visited Bergs last year Dee told me they have loads of forged blanks that need machining but they can't find anyone to do it for a reasonable cost.

Not slagging off the advert, just thought it was worth seeing what you guys thought?

Lee


Title: Re: Berg crank prices
Post by: richie on March 26, 2016, 00:06:26 am
Lee did you actually read the advert? its not just a crank, its for a berg crank, set of carrillos and a case set up for it, expensive yes but will it sell? yes I think so

cheers richie


Title: Re: Berg crank prices
Post by: leec on March 26, 2016, 00:13:55 am
Lee did you actually read the advert? its not just a crank, its for a berg crank, set of carrillos and a case set up for it, expensive yes but will it sell? yes I think so

cheers richie

No just looked at pictures :)
I get its a package but it shocked me at first. Maybe I  wrong to think it was expensive then


Title: Re: Berg crank prices
Post by: richie on March 26, 2016, 00:27:41 am
Lee did you actually read the advert? its not just a crank, its for a berg crank, set of carrillos and a case set up for it, expensive yes but will it sell? yes I think so

cheers richie

No just looked at pictures :)
I get its a package but it shocked me at first. Maybe I  wrong to think it was expensive then

So how much is the crank? your post seemed to indicate that was the price for it only so thought you missed the rest ;)


I believe he wants $2500 for the case, $2500 for the rods, $500 for the bearings and only $500 for the crank so to me the crank is cheap  :o :D   Before people go emailing Gary to buy the crank at that price it was a joke so dont ;)



But seriously how much is something that you cant buy worth? there are less berg cranks come up for sale than real BRMs so BRMs are common? and look at the price of them ???  Just an example

cheers Richie


Title: Re: Berg crank prices
Post by: leec on March 26, 2016, 00:36:40 am
I guess this was the kind of reply/debate I was hoping for  :)

I'd love to know hat other goodies he has stashed away

Lee


Title: Re: Berg crank prices
Post by: gkeeton@zbzoom.net on March 26, 2016, 01:20:23 am
Gene, Gary, and Clyde Berg have forgotten more about Aircooled VW's than I will ever know, but I just don't see it. Sure you may not be able to buy that specific crank anymore, but you can certainly buy one of that quality from someone like Moldex, or Bryant. That's about the only thing of that combo that is NLA, correct? There aren't too many engines I would use a Mag case for either. Richie, you recently obtained a high end crank, rod set, and case recently, do you mind sharing what you have invested in the parts?

I'm simply not one to have "that part" on my car because I'm nostalgic, and it was cutting edge 30 years ago, made by "that person". Especially when there is a modern/current available replacement that is an equivilant, or better at a price that isn't adjusted for the 30 year NLA factor.


Title: Re: Berg crank prices
Post by: richie on March 26, 2016, 05:12:17 am
Seems he has more than one to sell

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1909748


Title: Re: Berg crank prices
Post by: Zach Gomulka on March 26, 2016, 15:06:43 pm
That's an extremely rare package, especially in 90mm.


Title: Re: Berg crank prices
Post by: bugnut68 on March 26, 2016, 18:20:59 pm
Gene, Gary, and Clyde Berg have forgotten more about Aircooled VW's than I will ever know, but I just don't see it. Sure you may not be able to buy that specific crank anymore, but you can certainly buy one of that quality from someone like Moldex, or Bryant. That's about the only thing of that combo that is NLA, correct? There aren't too many engines I would use a Mag case for either. Richie, you recently obtained a high end crank, rod set, and case recently, do you mind sharing what you have invested in the parts?

I'm simply not one to have "that part" on my car because I'm nostalgic, and it was cutting edge 30 years ago, made by "that person". Especially when there is a modern/current available replacement that is an equivilant, or better at a price that isn't adjusted for the 30 year NLA factor.

Totally agree.  One hundred percent. 


Title: Re: Berg crank prices
Post by: Paul Bahnstormerz on March 26, 2016, 18:30:29 pm
If you don't like the price don't buy it. It's pretty simple


Title: Re: Berg crank prices
Post by: richie on March 26, 2016, 18:38:27 pm
That's an extremely rare package, especially in 90mm.

Merlin? think that's its name


Title: Re: Berg crank prices
Post by: Neil Davies on March 26, 2016, 18:51:43 pm
That's an extremely rare package, especially in 90mm.

Merlin? think that's its name

Wasn't the Merlin motor a 90mm crank and 96mm pistons? The one that was in the black car when it was running in the early 90s?


Title: Re: Berg crank prices
Post by: Joel Mohr on March 26, 2016, 18:57:04 pm
Yup!


Title: Re: Berg crank prices
Post by: karl h on March 26, 2016, 22:22:57 pm
i thought it was a 94 stroke...


Title: Re: Berg crank prices
Post by: leec on March 26, 2016, 23:30:06 pm
94mm crank and 95mm pistons after a quick search on here :)


Title: Re: Berg crank prices
Post by: SlingShot on March 29, 2016, 19:47:25 pm
There were less than a dozen of those cranks made. Go big or go home ;-)


Title: Re: Berg crank prices
Post by: gkeeton@zbzoom.net on March 30, 2016, 01:03:44 am
There were less than a dozen of those cranks made. Go big or go home ;-)

The 90's, or the 94's? The 94 must of had a Rabbit journal, or you would have had to cut the cam in half.


Title: Re: Berg crank prices
Post by: Joel Mohr on March 30, 2016, 03:16:34 am
Ya, I meant the name was right...I don't remember the combo, but 94 x 95 does sound right...


Title: Re: Berg crank prices
Post by: karl h on March 30, 2016, 06:08:20 am
a very rare two piece ARPM case was used with a cam drop, no rabbit yournal, that would have flexed like hell. think it was a 53mm porsche yournal


Title: Re: Berg crank prices
Post by: gkeeton@zbzoom.net on March 30, 2016, 13:21:23 pm
a very rare two piece ARPM case was used with a cam drop, no rabbit yournal, that would have flexed like hell. think it was a 53mm porsche yournal

And the 94 with 53mm journals isn't going to flex? Doesn't seem very Berg like not to use a Genuine VW Case. That must have been a pretty big cam drop with some pretty thin rod caps.


Title: Re: Berg crank prices
Post by: alex d on March 30, 2016, 14:34:28 pm
looks like it was working "well enough" back in the day http://cal-look.no/lounge/index.php/topic,3247.0.html  ;)



Title: Re: Berg crank prices
Post by: Trent B on May 08, 2016, 20:00:18 pm
Hi guys,

Saw this advert on thesamba, got me thinking will anyone actually pay that for a berg crank?

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1908677

When I visited Bergs last year Dee told me they have loads of forged blanks that need machining but they can't find anyone to do it for a reasonable cost.

Not slagging off the advert, just thought it was worth seeing what you guys thought?




I thought Gary did the crankshaft grinding...(?) I'm glad to hear they have them though, I would definitely buy one.