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Title: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: rick m on September 15, 2009, 02:26:18 am I've noticed the bay windows are really popular in Europe. For those of you that own one and have lowered it, what did you do to achieve it? I need info on the front and rear suggestions.
Rick M Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: louisb on September 15, 2009, 02:35:20 am Bays can look really cool when done right. There is a '69 Bay double cab roaming around here I have wanted for the longest time. Put it on a set of gas burners or five spoke empis. Lower it, hop up the engine and you have the perfect "shop truck". I seem to remember Sarge posting some pics of a nice bay from one of the dealerships he worked for with Porsche rims, etc.
--louis Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: rick m on September 15, 2009, 02:40:37 am yeah...already rounding up parts. I wanted a 68-71 so I can use my inventory of type one motor parts. Not a type 4 fan.
Rick M Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: Lee.C on September 15, 2009, 03:09:28 am Great mind think alike dude - you not seen my thread ??? http://cal-look.no/lounge/index.php/topic,9971.0.html
I'm thinkin lowered, rollin on fuchs, with a HOT 1915 in the back ;) I'm not really going for cal look as I want a Deluxe with all the trimmings :) Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: Zach Gomulka on September 15, 2009, 03:14:00 am You can get drop spindles on an exchange basis from a few guys on thesamba, that will get you down 2 1/2", adjust the rear down equally and I think that would make for a good looking bay. The spindles are welded though, so wheel choice is important if you plan on using a stock width beam.
Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: Neil Davies on September 15, 2009, 09:08:18 am You can get drop spindles on an exchange basis from a few guys on thesamba, that will get you down 2 1/2", adjust the rear down equally and I think that would make for a good looking bay. The spindles are welded though, so wheel choice is important if you plan on using a stock width beam. You can also use a split bus beam, making dropped spindles easier and safer. Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: viNce on September 15, 2009, 15:35:29 pm Mine is lowered with a 4.3" adjustable narrowed beam, dropped spindles on the front, and adjustables spring plates and one spline, nearly OEM confort and low 8)
All work done @ Vintage Autohaus, france. -> http://www.vintage-autohaus.com/Accueil.htm (http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/9025/dsc0023w.jpg) All pics on my blog ;) Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: rick m on September 15, 2009, 16:25:53 pm I love the stance of your Bay Window from the work done by Vintage Autohaus. That is the look that I am going for. Great input.
Rick M Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: Lee.C on September 15, 2009, 16:48:10 pm Yeah thats about the stance I am thinkin of - Maybe a tiny bit hight at the front or maybe just some taller tires, Very similars to Alex/Jesus ;) :)
I contacted those guys about a couple of their buses but unfortuntely they were both sold :( Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: Jesus on September 15, 2009, 19:01:03 pm Mine is a Cal Look Bay as much as Loads of Bugs Claim to be Cal Look :o :P
Its a 69 Deluxe Microbus from California, Hence the LHD, Up Front: Running a Creative engineering Ball Joint Narrowed weedeater 2 beam, Welded Drop Spindles BIG 4 Pot Willwood Calipers on BIG vented Disc's Crap BRM's running 175/55/15's At Rear: 2 Outer and 1 Inner???? (was a long time ago) Drop was running 6" RACE weight erco's with 205/70/15's till i managed to create a hair line crack going sideways round roundabouts in Oslo. Now running the OLD trusty BRM's can only get 195/65/15's on them due to the crappy offset, Seriously considering milling the back of the wheel down a bit! Creative: http://www.creative-engineering.com/ Wagenwest are good in the states! Once you get Proper LOW the only way to go is Link Pin Split beam, with drop spindles, disc brake conversion and some subtle chassis notching! And adjustable rear Spring Plates at the rear with again SUBTLE chassis notching for both Drive shafts and arms! Mark Prosser from Autotechniks is truly the only person in the world that KNOWS his shit and abuses his own busses hard! I trust him with my life! http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/pages/Autotechniks-Type-2-Performance/110083145937?ref=ts Ok now i'll bore you with some pictures, The beige 68 belongs to Mark and I own the Blue 69 :D Street Guise: (http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs141.snc1/5216_110109010937_110083145937_2684217_2684854_n.jpg) (http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs141.snc1/5216_110109030937_110083145937_2684220_6130830_n.jpg) (http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs121.snc1/5216_110109060937_110083145937_2684224_5211150_n.jpg) Race Guise: (http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs121.snc1/5216_110111580937_110083145937_2684340_5034720_n.jpg) (http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs141.snc1/5216_110111575937_110083145937_2684339_2045238_n.jpg) (http://www.offdrc.co.uk/images/gallery_2009_007/photo_2009_007_049.jpg) and Mine: (http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs250.snc1/9724_135312260669_735665669_3088784_6003009_n.jpg) (http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q28/maddog2276/2009_08220136.jpg) (http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs150.snc1/5570_209171645443_813030443_7701549_3520783_n.jpg) (http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs022.snc1/4254_183002295443_813030443_7042652_4593769_n.jpg) I can't find a decent cab pic, But Essentials are, Half leather recaro's Autometer Monster Tach with Shift Light, Oil Temp Gauge, Gene Berg shifter with my Line Loc Button ;) :D Don't forget to check out www.ultimatestreetbays.co.uk it's a international club for anyone with a bay window that gets a 1/4 mile ticket of less than 18 seconds! Maddog and I (the founders) increased international relations with a trip to our only non UK member this summer. Drove my 69, 2500 miles from the UK to Norway for SCC this year, it was the best adventure of my life, and i couldn't have done it with out my trusty Bed on Wheels! My 6 yr old (still on the same pushrod tubes) lil 1776cc engine managed to get me there and back and also hit a new PB on the track of a backed up 16.7 ;D http://cal-look.no/lounge/index.php/topic,9968.0.html above is the thread about our trip! Hope my random post has helped in some way! ;D Vince Looking good Buddy, Those Gas Burners have really grown on me :) Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: Lee.C on September 15, 2009, 19:22:27 pm perfect just perfect (apart from the round side refector - I prefer the rectangle ones ;))
;D Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: Jesus on September 15, 2009, 19:35:05 pm Round is 68 Only dude ;) ;D
I prefer them roundies! Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: Lee.C on September 15, 2009, 20:10:20 pm Looks like I need a "69" the dude ;) :D :)
Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: rick m on September 16, 2009, 02:06:35 am What size engine is in the AUTO TECHNICS bus? I like the stance on both of these bay windows. This is the next project for me.
Rick M Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: holmsen on September 16, 2009, 08:23:02 am I think Mark is running a 2332ccm.
This is my daily driver, adjustable front beam, one outer drop at the back Engine is a T4 2056ccm. just capable of running under 18, 17,62 :) (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l187/holmsen_2006/blmannpjobb031.jpg) Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: Jesus on September 16, 2009, 09:12:27 am What size engine is in the AUTO TECHNICS bus? I like the stance on both of these bay windows. This is the next project for me. Rick M He is running the OLD 2276cc motor that has now done 4 years HARD service, he takes his summer holidays in his van and generally drives down to the south coast of Spain, It was the same engine he run in his black front paneled camper that performed those monster burnouts @ EBI2, Jan is correct @ Volksworld he did have the 2332cc out of the green panel van in the beige 68, but the valve guides needed attention so with a swap about of ancilaries the 2276cc went in instead. Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: rick m on September 17, 2009, 01:33:26 am Holmsen,
A very nice looking Bay Window. Who did you get your dropped spindles from? Also, if they are welded/dropped spindles, how much do they push the rotor or drum out past stock width? Rick Mortensen Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: Zach Gomulka on September 17, 2009, 02:41:10 am I do not like the look of rubber band tires on the front of some of those buses!
Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: rick m on September 17, 2009, 17:30:12 pm Yeah, I won't be doing the tiny tires either. It is not safe for something of that weigth with a forward rake.
Rick M Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: Lee.C on September 17, 2009, 17:34:06 pm Yeah, I won't be doing the tiny tires either. It is not safe for something of that weigth with a forward rake. Rick M Agreed dude - I wan t mine to be "level" No rake :) Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: Jesus on September 17, 2009, 18:36:08 pm Yeah, I won't be doing the tiny tires either. It is not safe for something of that weigth with a forward rake. Rick M How would you KNOW? Have you run a bay with a rake? Have you ever run 175/55/15 tyres? Tyre technology these days means these things are possible if you do enough research ;) ;D Trust me after 65,000 miles and 100 passes at least down the track,(at which time i over inflate the fronts), they are perfectly safe! I wouldn't endanger myself or my passengers! Not to your taste is one thing, and acceptable, NOT SAFE however.... ;) Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: holmsen on September 17, 2009, 20:38:04 pm Trust me after 65,000 miles and 100 passes at least down the track,(at which time i over inflate the fronts), they are perfectly safe! I wouldn't endanger myself or my passengers!
Sorry Jesus,,,(for bad language ),,but that's one Hell of an achievement right there ;D Guess that dude, Mark, is it? knows his way around those small T1's :D And Rick, agree on the wheels, a more beefier 185/65 look better 8) Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: Jesus on September 17, 2009, 21:15:34 pm Cheers Jan ;D
and if I lived where you do in Oslo I'd run 185/65's too, those roads are HARSH! ;) ;D Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: volksnut on September 17, 2009, 21:20:28 pm Rick, on my old bay I ran a adjustable beam from Franklin's and 1 notch in rear, the wheels were 16x7 Audi A4's that fit on late bay disc's and drums, cheap and stopped/handled nice....
(http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/302579.jpg) Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: rick m on September 18, 2009, 02:43:32 am The Audi wheels look kinda cool. I am going for more of a Cal Look with BRMS or Alloys. Hey Jesus, what brand and tire are you running on the front. I am 100% on board with low profile tires. I thought they were referring to something like 145"s or 135's on the front. I ran 40 series tires on my Porsche Carerra tht were 275's. I had them over 130mph and the ran fine. I was just referring to the narrow style fronts that many US buses try to run. I am game for the low profile series tires that have a nice footprint.
Keep the Bay Window shots coming. It is giving me a lot of ideas for my project when the Chop Top is done. Rick M Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: Berger on September 18, 2009, 08:07:16 am This is my 72`bay, running narrowed adjustable beam with drop spindles from Wagenwest. It`s going to get a new beam this winter as the adjusters are at top position and it`s a little bit to low. It`s currently got a 1950ccm t-1 engine with 108 hp. New 2110ccm engine in this winter ;)
I use 185/65-15 up front and 215/70-15 in the rear. Berger Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: rick m on September 18, 2009, 16:38:32 pm Berger,
Is the company you got your spindles from in the US or Europe? Rick M Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: Jesus on September 18, 2009, 18:55:32 pm The Audi wheels look kinda cool. I am going for more of a Cal Look with BRMS or Alloys. Hey Jesus, what brand and tire are you running on the front. I am 100% on board with low profile tires. I thought they were referring to something like 145"s or 135's on the front. I ran 40 series tires on my Porsche Carerra tht were 275's. I had them over 130mph and the ran fine. I was just referring to the narrow style fronts that many US buses try to run. I am game for the low profile series tires that have a nice footprint. Keep the Bay Window shots coming. It is giving me a lot of ideas for my project when the Chop Top is done. Rick M No Worries! I just hate people inferring something is UNSAFE, I took it personally and for this i apolagise! I've run all kind of makes, my favourite grip and look wise being the yokohama's i ran, but they wore out REAL fast, currently running Continental Contakt 3's 175/55/15, they are not as grippy as the yoko's but i also get at least a year if not 2 out of them, were as i was going through the yoko's every 8 months! I know what you mean about the narrow aspect, I TOO was very concerned about running a narrowed beam, and only chose to do so as by adding welded drop spindles and the disc brake kit i had, it had pushed the track out that little bit to far, the edge of the rim sat under the lip of the arch, preventing me from getting the front of the van down and the rake I was looking for. Running a narrowed beam has brought my track width back to inside the lip of the arch. To be honest the main difference i've noticed is due to the drop spindles giving me much comfier and longer suspension travel the front of my van is no longer MEGA stiff so i can't throw it in as hard as i used to round corners, but on the plus side i get places with my fillings and brain still in tact these days :D Try Wagenwest for spindles and beams in the states Rick ;) Berger, I LOVE your van, Early sign written Panel Vans ROCK!!!! Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: Berger on September 18, 2009, 19:12:30 pm Berger, Is the company you got your spindles from in the US or Europe? Rick M As Jesus says, it`s in the US :) http://www.wagenswest.com/parts.html Berger And thanks Jesus, I love yours too. Fantastic rake! :-* Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: fastfred on September 30, 2009, 15:39:46 pm (http://blogsimages.skynet.be/images_v2/000/017/568/20090508/dyn006_original_600_450_pjpeg_17568_3f4f7fd7f3a9f426dc43fb126f1da27e.jpg)
that's mine. lowering job by "Kieft en Klok" using T2D/KnK technology. www.kieftenklok.nl and www.typetwodetectives.com Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: LuftsickTero on September 30, 2009, 15:55:30 pm As much as I don't like Bay Windows I absolutely love this Dutch Bay:
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_j5YMO-ms6rk/SlJKKWJa8-I/AAAAAAAAFdg/8Yu_kfAdxZY/s800/Kopio%20IMG_0145.JPG) (http://www.terovirta.com/imagesToo/2009_Volksworld_033.jpg) The stance and wheel combination is just perfect. Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: fastfred on September 30, 2009, 16:27:02 pm yeahhh... this dutch bus rocks !!! the owner won allready top 10 prizes at "freddyfiles ninove" with this bus !
Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: roland on September 30, 2009, 16:48:04 pm Love the airbus, but it was the best in it's 1st config imho
(http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/812/airbus.jpg) (http://img225.imageshack.us/i/airbus.jpg/) This is my 70 deluxe on fuchs: (http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/585308.jpg) (http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/601955.jpg) I got 5,5 fronts with 175/55/15 and deep 6 with 205/70/15 (on the bottom pic it's 5,5 with 185R15 on the back just for a weekend, I needed the 205/70 for my bug) Front beam has adjusters, Oldspeed drop spindles & 944 disc brakes Back has adjustable spring plates, modified CE 5*130 rotors & modified stub axles, Oldspeed 944 disc brake bracket & obviously 944 disc brakes.. 1915 engine with 110 engle cam, 40 Idf's & single quiet pack, makes a great tow vehicle for a bug! :) Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: rick m on September 30, 2009, 18:52:17 pm Wow! Thanks guys for posting some more great looking bay windows with the cal look treatment. I am building something truly unique with mine and will post the pictures when I have all the metal work done. It will surprise a few people. I am going with either FUCHS or BRMS. Have not made up my mind yet. I love the look of the alloys.
Rick M Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: Rob E on November 28, 2011, 15:34:07 pm (http://blogsimages.skynet.be/images_v2/000/017/568/20090508/dyn006_original_600_450_pjpeg_17568_3f4f7fd7f3a9f426dc43fb126f1da27e.jpg) that's mine. lowering job by "Kieft en Klok" using T2D/KnK technology. www.kieftenklok.nl and www.typetwodetectives.com how is that lowered? flipped spindles and adjustable rear spring plates? looks awesome 8) Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: fastfred on November 28, 2011, 16:06:17 pm yes, as you said, flipped spindels, and adj rear spring plates ...
Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: Rob E on November 28, 2011, 16:57:37 pm thanks for the pm & email fred 8)
Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: Jesus on November 28, 2011, 20:30:06 pm Wow this thread is a blast from the past ;D
I can't help myself I have to post a pic from this years Das Drag Day I ran a PB and then towed Dave back (I'm a good Crew Bitch even when am running myself) And yeah it was a tad interesting towing on slicks at 16PSI (Not low for a beetle but damn low for a bus) (https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/308199_114896018618684_100002948580267_98347_612633171_n.jpg) Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: Wunder Wim on November 28, 2011, 23:00:48 pm Here's mine:
(http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss101/DevinckeWim/DSC00926.jpg) Front: flipped spindles, adjustable beam Rear: adjustable beam and reset torsion bars... Wheels: Flat 4 Fuchs 5,5" front and rear Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: rick m on December 05, 2011, 22:07:24 pm Bays with ALLOYS just look right. The white DUTCH Bay is definitely a nice one. I love the stance. Are the polished alloys 17's?
Rick M Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: holmsen on December 18, 2011, 10:25:41 am @ SCC this year. Set a pb with a 14,6 My goal was a sub 14, really want that golden usb sticker, so not quite happy.
(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l187/holmsen_2006/losenburner2.jpg) Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: Lee.C on December 18, 2011, 17:10:46 pm @ SCC this year. Set a pb with a 14,6 My goal was a sub 14, really want that golden usb sticker, so not quite happy. (http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l187/holmsen_2006/losenburner2.jpg) At least you got further than the burnout box this time ;) :) Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: Bryan67 on January 27, 2017, 03:53:56 am Did I not post my old 68 Roadrunner Camper on this thread?
(http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1199128.jpg) (http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1138847.jpg) Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: Andy on January 29, 2017, 20:09:32 pm Did I not post my old 68 Roadrunner Camper on this thread? (http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1199128.jpg) (http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1138847.jpg) That looks nice, what is the front suspension setup. Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: Rome on January 30, 2017, 02:17:31 am Hi, Rick. Back in the mid 1990's I flew out to the Kelley Park VW meet in San Jose, CA. In the spectator parking lot was this wonderfully clean '71, wine red with cream roof. Owner was Barry Guscott from Vancouver, who drove it to the meet. Somewhat lowered but with a level stance. IIRC he said he had a type 1-based 2-liter in it. It made a big impression on me at the time. This was the bus- http://www.werke1.com/index.php?s=vintage-volkswagen&c=1971-westfalia
I was pleasantly surprised to find his shop's current website- http://www.werke1.com Roland from NY Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: Bryan67 on January 30, 2017, 05:26:11 am Andy,
I used a 4" narrowed beam and dropped spindles with late bay discs and adapters to run the Flat Four wheels. Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: Andy on January 30, 2017, 09:41:40 am Andy, I used a 4" narrowed beam and dropped spindles with late bay discs and adapters to run the Flat Four wheels. Thanks Bryan, I really like the Enkeis and how they sit in the wheel arch. I am considering what to do with my Bays suspension and brakes , your setup is pretty close to what I was thinking of fitting. Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: Bryan67 on January 31, 2017, 05:41:57 am Glad I could help. Feel free to hit me up if you have any more questions.
Title: Re: Building a Cal Look Bay Window Post by: Dan Ahrendt on February 24, 2017, 14:36:12 pm same same but different ;D
Vintage Autohaus - 11 cm Narrowed beam , Dropped spindels 165 / 50 r15 , rear adjustable plates 185 65 r15 ... next horseshoes Enkei 5 Spokes high gloss |