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Here's a bit of a dilemma I've got going on, and I need opinions.

I bought back my first car recently, a '68 that was modified to look like a US Spec '67. I bought it as a stocker back in early 1995, and by the end of 1996 I'd dechromed it, put a long bonnet and '67 engine lid onto it, changed the back lights and the bumpers, and painted it appliance white, changing the wheels for polished Empi 5's with a drum change. When I went to uni my brother had it off me, and it was completely restored, with new front quarter panels, floors, and so on.
Here's a picture from a while back:
(http://halfabrain.co.uk/clubcars/dunk.jpg)

It looks a lot less tidy now - one front wing and the valance are rotted through, the other front wing is bashed in, the paint reacted pretty much all over the roof and quarters, and the '67 only doors weren't as good as they first looked, with a big hole in one and the frame broken around the hinge on the other. Basically, although the shell is still pretty much solid, it's looking tired. The wheels aren't on the car either - it's currently got a 4 bolt front end and a 5 bolt rear end. Whatever happens, it will have 4 bolt all round so I can use my original Empi 8-spokes or my chrome Sprintstars, depening on how I feel on a particular day! :)

My dilemma is this - As I need 4 new wings, two new doors and a front valance minimum, do I put the car back to late model or keep it looking earlier than it really is? ???

I've got a really good pair of '68 doors, but I could weld in the earlier handle apertures easily enough. If I go late I've got an eyebrow engine lid for it, a new late front valance but no decent bonnet. If I stay early I've got a scrap 2-vent lid to "cabrio" the '67 lid with and a good bonnet for the front. It'll be getting a colour change and an interior revamp with a new headliner and other bits. I've always loved the look of US-spec '67's, but I kind of feel like it's faking it and I should stay true to the late models, which I also like! Decisions, decisions! :D

I think you know my opinion about that...  ;)

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i vote turning it back to a true 68'

i think we need a few more late lookers, done by people of ur caliber

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cant help but imagine.. a 68' tastefully done, with a neil davis kinda motor at the back...

hmmmm  ;D

(http://cal-look.no/lounge/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11242.0;attach=37527;image)

That says it all really  ;) Beautiful car.

Never been a fan of 'wrong-uns', if its late, keep it late I vote.

Which way do YOU think it would look better?

A later car made to look like an earlier one or a later car previously made to look like an earlier one and now made to look more original again.... who cares? Unless you plan to restore it to the original-factory form in the future.

On the other hand - making a late model bug looking older is definitely not in fashion nowadays - exactly the same way as it was popular in the past. So if you want to be trendy, you shouldn't do it ;)
 

I knew you'd say that! :D


I've never been a fan of crap wronguns, you know, sloping headlights with short bonnet, blade bumpers on conversion brackets, that sort of thing, but when we did this one we wanted it to be totally convincing, so we modified the dash, the header rail across the top of the screen, everything. So really it's not a case of keping it late, it's turning it back to late. :-\


I've got a real soft spot for '67s, but I also really like late models, so hence the dilemma! :D Either way is going to take some work!

Keep it custom, but do more... change the dash like you just don't care, fit US 67 fenders, stamp the 67 engine lid full of louvers and have a Merry Christmas!
And that also applies to all Lounges (both louvers and the Christmas bit)! 

I also agree that putting this back to a proper '68 spec is the way to go.

I really wish  that more of these cars that have been made to look earlier than they are, could be put back to original specs.

Sure pre '67 cars are cool, but then again so are the later models and certainly deserve to be given a chance to shine.

When I eventually get the chance... A 1969/1970 Beetle is on my shopping list.  :)

I think it looks great with the US '67 look in the photo. I wouldn't change it back to stock.

How many simultaneous projects are you doing, BTW?  ;D

Make it a baja and really blow some peoples minds. Just kidding, do what you want, not what anybody else thinks. Remember the saying "anybody can restore a car, it takes a man to cut one up"

Hard decisions.... when i did the resto on my bug i considered both options... i had to deal with a mexico body....i hated the vents behind the rear quarter windows and the big taillights... First i wanted to build a pre 67....but have seen to much wrong "fake"cars...so i decided to build a late looker  ;D. Still glad i turned that route.... A nice example of a nice "fake" pré '68 is the sephia brown '67 from the DAS vw club (don't know the name of the owner, but he's on the lounge too).  When you like to go the '67 route i would go all the way and change all details....Just do it all or don't do it. ;)

As JHU said, keep it custom.

You did this change in the middle of 90´s. It will be a classic anyway with customized body and no one except the tru fan will recognice the difference.
I´m starting to like late models more every day but the 67 look is still the one to look for, all though mine still is a 66´ ;D

Patrik

I vote for late ! ;D

When rebuilding my 74 I was going to go with 57 bullet front fenders and 64 rear fenders, but then I decided to embrace it's "fatness".

(http://www.glenn-ring.com/temp/Fall_2005.jpg)

Dance with the one you brung.

The '68 Beetle is the pinnacle of VW development, IMO, so I vote to keep the stock fenders and doors:

(http://i49.tinypic.com/ixzi9j.jpg)

Late's are cool also! Like other member's say do what you like ;D

I myself say LATE. But you do what you like, not what others tell you what to do. Boy, does this sound familiar.  ::) ;D

Ted

If you don't like lates, get an early.

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I would go for a Late Looker! Look at Rolands Car - it's perfect! But it is your car and it should Be your Look and taste! Take your Time, look at the pictures at the Lounge an find YOUR way!

Nice Chrismas Sven

late .... , for me , never change the real year looking of a car , if you want a pre-68' take a pre-68'.....

I agree with the things that have been said about modifying to look older etc...
BUT
since it's allready been done and look great I would say keep it US67.
It's not like we find them everyday over here in Europe.

Soon the new style will be to take early beetles and make them look like late models. ;D

keep it as it is, sort out the rot and fit the 8 spokes  8)

or if your really stuck with ideas, go with a 68 1200, best of both worlds!  ;D

I agree, except mine is a 69'. Again Late is still my vote!
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When I was forced to repair and redo my '69 after a spin and crash in the rain (damn those DOTs in the rain!), I changed it a bit by replacing the front fenders with '67 units, only because that's all I had! Didn't want to use the afterjunk pieces. I think it turned out OK, though no longer pure ...  :-[

68 are greats!

But, if your's is already deeply modified to looks like a 67, I would go like Jhu says. Modify it more and turn it into a proper 67 cal look beetle!


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Check the 31 pages of this thread. ;D

http://cal-look.no/lounge/index.php/topic,97.0.html

Who stole my car  :o :o

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Thanks for your comments folks - seems like more of you reckon to go back to '68 rather than keeping it fake '67!

I've had late models before, in fact probably my favourite car of the 12 or so I've had was this orange '70 - stock other than sprintstars, no bumpers, a 1641 and the obvious stance.
(http://muchos.co.uk/members/neil hab2/jeff1.jpg)
Then there was the '70 on a '72 pan that i finished last year, which was going to be a bit more pure California Look, but about halfway through the build my cousin bought it off me for her husband and it ended up being more stock than I had originally intended! :D
(http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/505650.jpg)
And there's the Karmann Cab ('70 body on a '68 pan) that i'm doing for my girlfriend too... :o

I'm leaning towards the late look again, maybe building the car I wanted to before I agreed to sell the grey bug! :D

First time i've seen the grey car you build mate, looks really nice.

Was that (the 67-a-like) featured in a magazine at some point Neil? It looks familiar.... maybe in Total VW (Wow, remember that?!)?

Anyway, I like it as it is, it doesn't get any cooler than yank spec 67, even though I love late models, and lets face it so much work has gone into making it a truly convincing early car that there's probably a ton of work coverting it back.

I say run it and love it.

Hi Jamie, it wasn't featured, it was Ben Hayes, who later became the editor of TVW who had his '67 featured. Ade (Lowval) bought it and ran it until fairly recently I think. I know what you mean about the work to convert it back, there are some proper anorak-y details that most people wouldn't ever spot, but at the end of the day it's a '68 and not a '67, so I think it'll be going back (mainly!) to late! Gives me the opportunity to use some of the nice bits I collected for the grey bug above and never used! :D


First time i've seen the grey car you build mate, looks really nice.
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Cheers buddy, it turned out Ok, didn't it! Not bad from a £50 wrong 'un! ;)

Sure it'll look cool whatever Neill. Now I think you had one of your cars featured back then didn't you?

Here's a picture of a car my brother built in the early 90's - he did something similar to his 1970 bug, with modified 67 doors to run on the late car, early front quarters etc. that car ended up featured in TVW as well as it happens, after my brother had sold it on though.

(http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/631905.jpg)

Sorry to hi-jack this tread guys,but above you spoke about "total vw".I have a few issues from this mag,but what happened with the mag?

Neil, you old car is a "get out of jail" card...  you can't loose 8)

any updates??

No, I've not even been over to my unit since before new year! The water supply has frozen, so I can't use the kettle or the toilet, and the estate it's on is like an ice rink! I'm going to try to get over on Saturday and clear a space for it - but I've still got a bit more to do on the cabriolet before I can move too much around! :D

Oh, and definately going late! ;)

You've got a toilet at your workshop? very posh ;D

Yeah, but the cistern is just a solid block of ice at the moment! :o We've got a proper office/kitchen with a fridge, an urn for the tea, an oven, hob, toaster, microwave... We've even got a 2-post lift to make it a little easier to work on the cars... Ask Joe G, I don't think he could really believe what we'd got for a hobby shop! :D

It's started... ;)


A-framed the car over to my unit on Saturday and got the front wings and passenger door stripped off - and found that the passenger quarter isn't in the best condition. Because i want to get this car on the road quickly, but still have a solid and safe car, I'm not going to take the body off the pan at the moment, instead I've made some sections to repair the channel without too much drama. With the exception of the front valance, the rest of the shell looks pretty good, barring a few bits here and there. They can all be done at a later date though - priority is getting it MOT'd and back on the road, even if that means a 1500 single port for now... :(
Anyway, the 'glass front wings are just about ready, the replacement front valance is having the black transport paint stripped off it, the replacement doors are nearly ready, and it should be late again by the end of the week! :D Paint may have to wait though...

Photos show what it looked like after not being driven for over two years, and finally in the unit! ;D