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Does anyone know what happened to this beautiful racer after it was sold to Japan many year ago?
I only have a unconfirmed information that it was wrecked and never repaired.
Facts anyone?

Thanks!
Frallan

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hy frallan try here (http://cal-look.no/lounge/index.php/topic,10542.msg161807.html#msg161807)

Wow, I have been thinking about a rear axle like that. Do anyone know how good it worked?

miss that car... :(

I think I see a large tube running down the bottom - is it De Dion? And what box is that?

Basically you connect the outer ends of a IRS setup to a rigid tube passing under the box so that the ends becomes a solid axle, that way you can hang it like the V8 boys do, in a proper fourlink. I bet the box is a hybrid automatic, and that's why Fallan is interested I guess ;)

Does it have connections to the chassis apart from the four links JHU? Interesting setup.

It will need a panhard bar or something like it to stop the de-dion axle from wabling sideways

I would think it needed a panhard link to stop the axle from moving sideways, but I can't see any in the pictures.

 ;)

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automatic transxale is from a vanagon build by kenny melacon and pizzo bros with the differential being reworked by california motorwoks in riverside , the torque converter came from munsinger located in chino and connects to the flange scat crankshaft with a custom flex plate
rear axle uses a De dion tube located by a 4-link rear suspension porsche 930 cv joints are used along with ultra short SAW performance axles to traansfer the power to the rear wheels

(from vw trends)

I was guessing there is a diagonal link, between the lower 4 bars.
Common drag racing practice.

The last pic is slightly confusing, but there is some lateral location.

Interesting set-up...
But being a hybrid of VW IRS and DeDion, I think the axles+trans itself and motorplate kind of act as what would normally (4-link style) be the panhard rod...?

Chris Alston(?) built that chassis from memory,
and when it ran with N/A 2800(original owner cossey?), it had a wishbone style track locator.
The chrome bar in the fore-ground of the last pic is one side of that wishbone, I think.

The reason for me asking is that I am trying to find the car for a friend who was clsoe of buying it long time a go.
We went to the house of Pizzo bros in CA and then we also followed the car at a race.
He never bought the car and in some way regrets it.
I promised him I would post this and at least give it a try.

I have been running 090 transmisson in my 1967 beetle since 1995. Apart from being heavy, it is a fantastic piece of gearbox.
I also have a Dave Folts newly purchased 090 like this one for the restoring of my old Pank dragster.

The de Dion rear end on the Pizzo fastback worked absolutely excellent. At least in combination with the automatic transmission.
It was beautiful to see the almost slow motion hooking of the wheels on both start and in to second.
It is correct that it acts similar toa fixed rear axle with four links.
The car does have a diagonal locating bar which is not so well visible in the pictures.

I think a guy that used to be on shoptalkforums bought the car and Jim Fuelers old super duper aspirated engine that supposedly gave ridicules amounts of power! ;) The post is on the shoptalk and I bet that "piledriver" knows about it! ;)

Hi Jonas,

What he bought was Jim Feulings 4 valve engine, correct.
He also bought Pizzo bros rear end of their latest watercooled turbo VW dragster. Not sure but think it was a VR6 engine and running pretty quick. It was a 090 modified automatic transaxel turned upside down.
Very much modified and including the rear drive with axles and flanges. It was a complet cut off of the frame from the dragster.
I have pictures of it somewhere and will post it for you.
I am 99% sure he did not buy the car I am looking for.

Here we go Jonas!

Frallan
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(http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s207/Frallan2/tranny_subframe1.jpg)

 The name of the guy on above note is Searoy /Carl Jenkins.

Searoy had the trans for sale on the Samba a few years ago. He moved up here to Oregon and has been out of the scene for a while. He sold The Fueling engine to Tom Leib of Scat.

Totally off topic but very interesting guy Jim Feuling. A real engineer and genious.
The famous Oldsmobile Quad engines...W3 engine and the ACVW prototype that Searoy and later Tom Lieb bought. Plus much more.
Take a look at this: http://www.feuling.com/wp/index.php
It is part of Jims old company.

Stealth67vw, if you see or hear from Searoy, tell I hope to see him back in the VW scene. I did like his inputs on STF.

Now back to the topic and the car.
Really no one that has a hint in the right direction or knows more?

Wasn't Searoy the guy who bought Doug Harvey's Fastback?

Again taking this totally off topic for a while but why not?

Jim Feuling

From The Kneeslider  http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2005/03/31/jim-feuling/

Quote:
With all of this talk of the Hayabusa V8, I neglected to mention the Feuling W3. Jim Feuling, who passed away in 2002, was a prolific inventor and engineer. I first noticed him back around 1990 or so when he developed 4 valve heads for the Harley Davidson Evo engine. I thought of him again the other day when I saw the rerun of a Biker Build Off episode where Cory Ness built his chopper using a Feuling W3 engine. It's impressive to say the least and is one indicator of the kind of work Jim Feuling did. Jim was pretty amazing. He built an Oldsmobile 4 cylinder engine that developed over 1,270 hp from 121 cubic inches! Not bad, I'd say. The East Coast Timing Association has a reprint of his memorial from the now closed Feuling website. A few of Jim's developments are:

the engine for the American Honda high-mileage streamliner, capable of 500 MPG @ 55 mph, and developed the engine for the 2-place Q-2 aircraft, rated the world's most efficient. His internationally-recognized products include the 4-Valve cylinder head conversion for Harley-Davidson® Evolution motorcycles, his patented aluminum CENTERFIRE® cylinder heads for Chevrolet 454 and Ford 460 truck engines, the all new 'Fast-Burn' MAXFLOW® cylinder head kits, SuperPump and HP+ lifters for the Harley-Davidson Twin Cam engines and the awesome W3 Motorcycle

Read the whole thing. There's also a review of his prototype W3 from Motorcycle Cruiser magazine.

When you see what he did over the years, you can only wonder what he would have done had he lived a little longer and had access to the ever improving computer software and machine tools.

His company was up for sale last year. I'm not sure what happened to it, it seems some parts were sold separately instead of as a complete operation. I wonder if anyone is making the W3 these days. I'll have to look into it. If anyone has details of the fate of his company, let us know.

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That's the guy I'm thinking about ! :)

I'm not sure if it actually was the pizzo bro fastback, I might have confused it with the gearbox ???

Carl Jenkins was surely an interesting voice on the shoptalk forum!

http://cal-look.no/lounge/index.php/topic,10891.msg165843.html#msg165843

Yes, there it is! :)

480hp :O

Hej Jonas!

What do you refer to as 480 hp?
Sounds good anyway.

The link that Eric posted states that the engine gave 480hp at 6500 rpm

Thanks Jonas. I just didn't get it.

Searoy just surfaced aftre many years of off line on Cal Look.com
More Vanagon 090 automatic talk.
http://www.cal-look.com/forum/index.php?topic=20768.new;topicseen#new

Frallan -- --

I've been in contact with Carl and the trans is for sale complete from the brakes back -- I really wanted to buy it but it is a little out of my buget for the Oval -- The unit he has is the one that was setup for the mid-engine car and comes with a lot of extra parts.

Also I have a 3 disc clutch set up if you know anyone that would want one -- the fly wheel is for a flange crank and the disc's that come with the unit are for a linkco 2 speed the there are interchangeable for VW trans ones.

Harold

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The PIZZO BROS fastback was originally built by Don Cossey, with help from Chris Alston (yes...of V8 Chassis fame).  The car ran varous versions of DEAN LOWRY's motor combos...  I have some negatives of how the car looked originally when it was done and Don had it at a meet in Bakersfield, California. This was quite some time before the PIZZO's ended up owning it and converting it to a turbo car with the automatic in it.

I will post the pictures I came across when I get the new prints made.

Rick M

the car at BOR21 and with the pizzo bros at goodguys event

Finally being able to share some videos from 1992.
Please see the comments attached to the video on Youtube.
More coming over Easter.
Enjoy this wonderful car!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAUHiOvx8Mo

I could not sleep, so I keep on adding.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjRNMBhurps

Next and final two. a lot of good VW stuff in there apart from the Pizzo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7T4DvrMXqc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct5r-4lVVj0

Absolutely great.

What a lunchtime I've just had watching that lot!

It was a perfect era for me, as I had my first and last VW related trips to the US in 1991 and 1992. I was building a car at the time and was parts chasing, but got to see two Bugorama's in Phoenix and the racing was amazing.

The UK racing was growing up, but it was nothing like what we saw in Phoenix. I've got some great photo's and there is some film footage from our trip, which I will try and look out. It was on some obscure small type cassette which fitted in a VHS size cassette which you could then run in a VHS player, so I'm not even sure I can play it now, but these films have inspired me to try, so I'll see if I can look the photos and film out (which include the Pizzo's fastback).

Thanks for posting, its made my day.

Peter

I will be watching those videos after work tonight...;D  1992 is right around the all-time high for my VW fervor as a high school student that hated school and all the clique/social horsesh*t... my fondest memories from those years are the VW events I attended in the summer months and reading the VW magazines before eventually working on my own car.  :)

The car in the right lane looks familiar

...and here. This time in Sweden against me.
It is the final in Quick 8 Bug Run Mantorp Park.
Turbo against a naturally aspirated street engine and as you can see I am sleeping more than a car length but did catch up to win.
There is a long story to both cars in this event.
Your exported car to Sweden you probably know better yourself, mine was idling in my workshop ceiling since 1980  prior to this event when we guys three weeks before the race decided to put the dragster together with engine and gearbox from a street car.
My wife remembers it clearly, we were living in South Korea at the time and me spending three of the four weeks vacation in the workshop.....still we had a  lot of fun.
The three of us putting the dragster together were the same that went on the trip with the videos posted above, Mats Herrlander, Stefan Kocken Allansson and me. (the other two guys on the trip were the Bug Professors Ambjorn and Martin Karlsson)

OT, so what?

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Thanks for posting the old pictures and video.

Well it is good fun to have a famous guy like you on this forum.
At least in my perception you made yourself very famous with the turbo car achievements.

Yes that is a De Dion tube car and Vanagon automatic tranny. The De Dion gives effectively a similar condition to a solid axle, used in many drag cars. To locate the assembly cross car, you can use a Panhard rod. This should be as long as posible to minimize lateral movement.
 
A slightly heavier and more expensive set up is a Watt's linkage. This has 2 cross car bars and a swivel link mid car that looks something like a Berg carb linkage where the throttle cable connects. Another car that used this was the original Bugpack Pro car that now hangs from the roof of their building. A suspension change from the original design was thought to be the fault initially of this car's demise.

The other way to laterally mount this DeDion rear end would be what is known as a sliding wishbone. This is what I built into my car. This set up is a wishbone connected to the DeDion tube fixing to the frame at one point with spherical bearings. The front is allowed to slide in a grease-lubricated tube (needs to maintained) to allow the axle to move up and down. The advantage of this system is that it allows good roll rotation of the rear axle, which can be tuned through damping and spring rates. Hope this helps.
One good book to read is called "Doorslammers - The Chassis Book" by Dave Morgan, available on Amazon