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Title: "ROOM" "FOR RENT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 13, 2010, 13:47:55 pm .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 13, 2010, 14:17:03 pm .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Shubee2 (DSK) on January 13, 2010, 14:54:01 pm I'VE BEEN COMMIT'D TO A "WORLD THAT WORKS FOR EVERYONE"...."WITH NO ONE LEFT OUT" !!! FOR 36 YEARS NOW !!! Good Post Doug but can I still be Your Hippie Brother Without Hair? LOL it is True there are more People Here with Great Talents and Knowedge more then on any other Forum, its just seams when a Question gets asked and then answered it dose a Full Circle makes you wonder which way should I go!! Experimenting can get Real Expensive I have always Used What has work well for me getting the Best of Both Good Performance and Driveability, I have never Been an Off the Shelf or build it online person there is so much aftermarket stuff made today Where do you Really Start!!!. just my 2 cents Ok Now I will Get out of your Room !! LMAO ;DI BELIEVE "I'M" IN A "KEY POSITION".... "TO FINALLY PUSH IT OFF THE CLIFF"!!! (UPHILL BATTLE FOR 36YRS) IF I ENROLL MY "VW DRAG RACE'N HIPPIE BROTHER'S" ??? ("AROUND THE WORLD") IT "COULD BE" ALL DOWNHILL FROM HERE !!! "A GATE" THAT SWINGS BOTH WAYS.... ("NO MORE"... HURRAY FOR ME AND F-CK YOU WORLD) AN ACTUAL "YOU AND ME" WORLD !!! WHERE PEOPLE "REALLY DO".... "CARE" ABOUT THEIR "FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS"!!! "PHSYCO" CANT UNDERSTAND HOW COME ALOT OF HIS NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN BRING'N OVER DINNER EVERY NITE FOR US !!! HE'S HAD TO TELL SOME OF THEM TO "SLOW DOWN !!! "AND HE'S A LANDMARK GRAD ALSO" !!! THIS ONE ISNT A CATCH PHASE EITHER.... "FOR ME" !!!! LOVE DOUG.... AND MOST ALL OF YOU "KNOW" I'M NOT KIDDIN'!!! NOW: "ALL OF YOU"... ARE "TOO HIP" SO: WHATCHA GONNA DO ABOUT IT !!! CANT GO BACK NOW !!! Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 13, 2010, 17:42:14 pm .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 14, 2010, 02:28:14 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Shubee2 (DSK) on January 14, 2010, 04:12:23 am TRUST (trust) n. To Assume= makes an ASS-U-ME ;)1. FIRM RELIANCE IN THE HONESTY, DEPENDABILITY, STRENGHT, OR CHARACTER OF SOMEONE OR SOMETHING. 2. ONE IN WHICH FAITH OR CONFIDENCE IS PLACED. 3. CARE: CUSTODY. 4a. SOMETHING GIVEN INTO ONES CARE FOR THE BENEFIT OR INTREST OF ANOTHER: CHARGE. 4b. THE STATE OF OBLIGATION RESULTING FROM THIS. 5. RELIANCE ON SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE: HOPE. 6. AN INTEREST IN PROPERTY THAT IS HELD BY 1 PARTY FOR THE BENEFIT OF ANOTHER. 7. A COMBINATION OF CORPORATIONS OR FIRMS esp. FOR THE PURPOSE OF REDUCING COMPETITION. 8. CONFIDENCE IN A PERSONS WILLINGNESS & ABILITY TO PAY: CREDIT. -v. 1. TO HAVE OR PLACE CONFIDENCE IN: RELY. 2. TO BE CONFIDENT: HOPE. 3. TO ASSUME OR EXPECT. 4. TO BELIEVE. 5. TO ENTRUST. 6. TO ALLOW TO HAVE, USE, OR CARE FOR WITHOUT MISS GIVINGS. 7. TO EXTEND FINANCIAL CREDIT TO. WEBSTERS II NEW RIVERSIDE DICTIONARY. I"VE SPENT ALOT OF TIME IN THE DICTIONARYS TO "KNOW" WHAT I'M TALK'N ABOUT.... OR: TO ACTUALLY "KNOW" WHAT THE WORDS MEAN !!! OR: "WHAT I MEANT"!!! DOUG.... "MOST PEOPLE" DONT EVEN "KNOW" WHAT THERE TALK'N ABOUT !!! (THEY THINK THEY DO !!!) Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 14, 2010, 05:09:39 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 14, 2010, 06:45:19 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 14, 2010, 08:57:53 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Speed-Randy on January 14, 2010, 17:21:23 pm Is it just me, WTF??????????????
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: danny gabbard on January 14, 2010, 19:43:05 pm Nothing like watching the shadows grow!
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 14, 2010, 21:20:42 pm .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 14, 2010, 22:07:28 pm .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Speed-Randy on January 14, 2010, 22:42:43 pm Put the bong down and TURN OFF YOUR CAPS LOCK. And you call me clueless
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 15, 2010, 00:15:48 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 15, 2010, 00:31:03 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 15, 2010, 01:07:07 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 15, 2010, 01:42:12 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Speed-Randy on January 15, 2010, 02:02:48 am NOW... STFOOMR!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'LL SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU!!!! "STAY THE F-CK OUT OF MY ROOM" !!!!!!!! Only To Happy To Oblige Stoney MAYBE HE CAN "LOOK UP" "THEATER OF THE MIND" AND "MAKE HIS WOOD BLOCKS DO MAGICAL THINGS"???? LOVE DOUG. ... ---------------------------- . l . l . l . l . l . l . l . l . l . HOPE THAT COMES OUT "ON THE BIG SCREEN"...... "THE WAY IT LEFT HERE" Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Speed-Randy on January 15, 2010, 02:04:10 am Next time close the door
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Rennsurfer on January 15, 2010, 02:08:09 am ;D
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: danny gabbard on January 15, 2010, 02:21:23 am DANNY,,, Doug, stop by if the cubes of metal need to appear in metal fashion or send some patternsMY DR. APPT. WAS MOVED BACK A WEEK !!! BEEN HERE TOO LONG.... MARK IS THE BEST !!! I LOVE MY VW BROTHERS !!! MAN IF KEITH WERE HERE !!! IT WOULD BE THE 70 & 80'S "ALL OVER AGAIN"!!! GONNA HAVE TO FIND A REPAIR SHOP THAT NEEDS A COUPLE "STOCK BOXES" BLAST'D INTO "TOP SHAPE" IN A DAY.... OR BLAST ANOTHER "BRM" OUT THE BACKDOOR !!!!! I FIGURE I'LL SEE IF THIS DR. CAN MAKE ME "A CARD CARRY'N HIPPIE IN NEV."???? REAL HIPPIES "DONT NEED PERMISSION".... "TO RUN THERE OWN LIFES"..... "SAFELY AND EFFECTIVELY" !!!! DID THE ZOTZ MAKE IT YET ??? DOUG.... ( DID THAT LAST POST LOOK RIGHT ON YOUR SCREEN ??? ) "FOR SOME REASON THE DASH CHANGES THE MATH" Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 15, 2010, 03:14:52 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 15, 2010, 03:44:33 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 15, 2010, 04:15:36 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 15, 2010, 04:45:56 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Speed-Randy on January 15, 2010, 05:18:37 am Grew up in the seventies, my first 45 was smoke on the water. I'll be leaving now
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: danny gabbard on January 15, 2010, 05:49:02 am Wheres the zotz man !Or where are the zotz, man? different huh!
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Dan Mazur on January 15, 2010, 05:53:19 am Wheres the zotz man !Or where are the zotz, man? different huh! I love Zotz Candies. Why did they stop making them? Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Rennsurfer on January 15, 2010, 05:56:18 am I love Zotz Candies. Why did they stop making them? Because too many pigeons had their stomachs implode due to ingesting Zotz. Poor Zotz. Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 15, 2010, 06:03:06 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 15, 2010, 08:58:26 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 15, 2010, 09:12:03 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: WCB Hitler's Hot Rod on January 15, 2010, 10:11:14 am Hey Doug! I'm slippin' you somethin' under your door. Enjoy! Check out the half way point and end of this flick! Boom Baby! Brought to you by Cherry and Hefler! You remember what the surgeon general says about smokin' a V8? ;D 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMzj8RfPh9A Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: danny gabbard on January 15, 2010, 17:43:27 pm YA, There hard to stay lit
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Shubee2 (DSK) on January 15, 2010, 18:18:59 pm OH YAH,,,, JUST SO YA KNOW...... BACK IN MY DAY THE LEVER ON THE TOILET'S SAID...... "CLEVER" !!!! Hi Doug I remember Johnny Hefler back When they Ran the Hefler/Cherry Car I talk to Lyle Cherry all the Time Now that I am Here in Texas I still Remember the Rallys where we had A Check Point at Gene Berg and that was Before you or Clyde had A Drivers License LOL Those were Good Times ;D ;DI ALSO FORGOT TO LEAVE YOU WITH THE IMMORTAL WORD'S OF "JOHNNY HEFLER" LOOK HIM UP IF YOU DONT KNOW WHO HE IS !!! HE TOO IS FROM WAY BACK SO HE MADE A TAKE OFF OF "JOHN DENVER" HE'S AN OLD SINGER WHO'S GONE NOW !!! HE USE TO SAY FARRRR OUT WELL "HEFLER SAYS"..... "FAR AND AWAY" HE'S FROM LOUISIANA !!! ONE OF THE NICEST GUYS ON EARTH !!! DB Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 15, 2010, 18:19:25 pm .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 15, 2010, 20:38:56 pm .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 16, 2010, 01:23:25 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 16, 2010, 01:30:14 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 16, 2010, 04:20:21 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 16, 2010, 04:26:59 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 16, 2010, 04:35:28 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 16, 2010, 04:50:08 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 16, 2010, 04:54:13 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 16, 2010, 04:56:21 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 16, 2010, 07:02:37 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 16, 2010, 07:10:12 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: danny gabbard on January 16, 2010, 09:19:22 am When your learning, Your not earning! By DG
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 16, 2010, 11:29:11 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Rennsurfer on January 16, 2010, 16:57:30 pm "BUCKET LIST" : [X] 1. "TELL EVERYONE IN THE WORLD I LOVE 'EM" !!!! LOVE DOUG.... "THAT WAS EASY" !!! EXCELLENT movie! Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: danny gabbard on January 16, 2010, 18:15:54 pm Doug, sometimes the mountain is steeper in the begining, You are doing fine! Help is only a phone call away, But dont call early, I need my beauty sleep. Dont cha know.
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 16, 2010, 18:32:56 pm .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 16, 2010, 18:47:20 pm .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 17, 2010, 00:13:28 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Wünderwolff on January 17, 2010, 19:54:05 pm THERE'S NO thing "iN sAYING" yOU CATCH MY DRIFT "SWIFT" HAS TO bE! mUST (CAN must BE USED, MUST can BE USED) EATEN TOO MANY MUSH |doug's| ROOMS Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 17, 2010, 23:18:38 pm .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 18, 2010, 01:00:59 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: danny gabbard on January 18, 2010, 04:58:40 am I wonder If he had that arm band on his wet suit?
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: danny gabbard on January 18, 2010, 05:00:36 am Just hit me, the original surf NAZI. Ya I am slow!
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Wünderwolff on January 18, 2010, 13:49:43 pm WELLLLL ! IT IS TOLD iF: THE "BERG"* CAN NOT GO TO MOHAMMAD... BUT, FLA(alt)TERED I AM, CON(ctrl)TROLLED IN A WAY DEL(del)IGHTED FOR SURE JUST TROLLED SOME SAY IT TOOK ME #ME = the uneducated one, no HARVARD for the LM EXPERT in THE OLD COUNTRY# !!!!! 1 FULL HOUR !!!!! TO REACH the LEVEL OF LUNACY aka LOL only the "BERG"* CAN REACH THE AIR MUST BE THIN, WHERE "BERG"*S MEET THEIR PEAKS WAY TO THIN! IF YOU're A MERE NOT IMMORTALISED SO LET MOHAMMAD COME to the "BERG"* *BERG 0.1 [VERHEFFING V.D. AARDOPPERVLAKTE] mountain --> HILL 1.2 ~EN GELD piles of money Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Peter on January 18, 2010, 15:04:01 pm !!!FUCK!!!
THIS IS FUNNY DB, WHERE DO YOU BUY YOUR WEED? ME WANT SOME Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 18, 2010, 17:38:26 pm .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 18, 2010, 17:51:25 pm .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 18, 2010, 18:05:22 pm .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 18, 2010, 18:34:57 pm .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 18, 2010, 18:42:29 pm .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Speed-Randy on January 18, 2010, 19:31:46 pm Knock, knock!! Permission to enter? My apologies to you, what I thought was mindless drivel from a stoner is actually what is going on right now with you. Once again, my apologies for my prior posts
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Shubee2 (DSK) on January 18, 2010, 21:05:37 pm ANYONE ELSE EVER "CATCH A SLAP" FROM YOU POPS ??? "POW" RIGHT IN "THE KISS'R" ??? AND THEN WERE "TOLD TO PULL YOUR HEAD OUT" AND "WAKE UP" ??? YOU EVER HAD "TO SLAP'... SOMEONE YOU "COULD NEVER" SLAP ??? CAUSE YOU "LOVE AND RESPECT" HER "TO MUCH TO" "EVER" DO THAT !!! AND YET "KNOW" IT "HAS TO" HAPPEN !!! LOVE DOUG..... "PROJECT DEEP IMPACT" Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 18, 2010, 21:55:07 pm .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Speed-Randy on January 18, 2010, 22:35:37 pm Shubee, nice self portrait, you should make it your avatar
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 18, 2010, 22:48:55 pm .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: danny gabbard on January 18, 2010, 22:50:45 pm One call does it all !
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: ESH on January 18, 2010, 23:27:59 pm WHAT ABOUT SOLID MOUNTS? Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 18, 2010, 23:40:09 pm .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 19, 2010, 00:01:12 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: ESH on January 19, 2010, 00:33:55 am THE SOLID MOUNTS THING WAS ABOUT HAVING READ THIS THREAD I WAS REMINDED OF A THREAD FROM THE CAL LOOK FORUM WHEN THAT GOT STARTED... THE THREAD STARTED SOMETHING LIKE ... "WHAT ARE SOLID MOUNTS LIKE ON THE STREET?" YOU REPLIED SOMETHING LIKE... "WHAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU?" I DON'T THINK IT WAS THE BEST SET UP FOR A DATE IN A STREET CAR? I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW IT WENT EXACTLY BUT IT STILL MAKES ME EVEN LAUGH NOW. WAS ONE OF THE FUNNIEST VW THREADS I REMEMBER (IF ONLY IN PART!)... ;D ALL THE BEST TO YOU. 8) Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 23, 2010, 06:54:19 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Jason Foster on January 23, 2010, 17:30:33 pm .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 25, 2010, 19:54:37 pm .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 26, 2010, 00:15:52 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Jason Foster on January 26, 2010, 04:26:12 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Jim Ratto on January 26, 2010, 19:45:17 pm TO TROND : ,,, 1. "YES".... JACK'S #'S ON JACKS DYNO !!! (IT'S ACTUALLY) ( "HIGH-AIRSPEED".... BLEED'RS!!! ) ONLY AT WOT !!! 2. "N/A"... AT THIS TIME.... HAVEN'T GOT'N THAT FAR YET !!! STILL "BRAND NEW STUFF" !!! 3. "NO HP." #'S YET.... ONLY FLOWBENCH WORK ,,, SO FAR !!! (IN THAT AREA) 4. "YES"... CALL THE SHOP !!! 5."NO NOT YET"... "I HAD TO PROVE THE THEORY FIRST".... AND THEN.... "GUAGE THE DEMAND" !!! 6. ROGERS SET WERE BEST 47/50.... THE ONES IN THE PIC. ARE 48/52 !!! 7. "THE LARGER" THE VENTURI ,,, "THE SLOWER" THE FLOW !!! OR : "LESS SIGNAL" ON THE "FLOATBOWL" !!! 7a. (AS "VOLUME GOES UP".... "AIRSPEED GOES DOWN") 7b. ("I THINK"??? I'M THE "FIRST GUY ON EARTH"... "TO MAKE BOTH" MONOMETERS "GO UP" AT THE SAME TIME !!!) HERE'S THE DEAL WITH THIS : "IN THE OLD DAYS".... "WE" "THE BERGS".... USED TO "STAGGER JET" !!! "THAT MEANS"..... "NOT" ALL THE SAME JETS IN ONE ENGINE !!! TRY 1-2 SIZES BIGGER MAIN JET "IN THE HOLE" WITH LOW EGT !!! IT COULD BE AIRSPEED ON THE "IN"--- SIDE OF THE SYSTEM !!! OR : (IN AN EQUAL/OPPOSITE WORLD WE LIVE IN !!!) AIRSPEED ON THE "OUT"--- SIDE OF THE SYSTEM !!! AND.... "THAT SHOULD"..... HELP YOU FIND THE ANSWERS TO YOUR Q'S ????? LET "ME KNOW" !!! LOVE DOUG... I CAN HARDLY WAIT TO SEE EVERYBODIES "JET BOXES & LOGBOOKS" NOW ..... and everybody thought I was nuts for jetting per hole. 8) Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 26, 2010, 21:14:27 pm .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Jim Ratto on January 26, 2010, 22:30:34 pm when I was a teenage punk kid, my dream was to work for your dad, Doug. I think back what I might have learned working @ 1725... you want to talk "volumes"? Anyway, laying awake in bed @ 2:45am... reading, reading, reading then taking all and screwing it into action, I guess something had to stick after 24 years, huh?
Thanks for your posts, Doug and your self reflection. I still need to call you back! ;D Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 27, 2010, 01:18:26 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Jim Ratto on January 27, 2010, 01:59:09 am thanks Doug. We gotta talk sometime, moving lobe peaks around, the "hidden meaning" behind some of the VZ grinds (how funny would it be to see that one of the blasphemous VZ cams plots the valve the same as one of the "cool guy" cams that everybody says is ok to use).
Small cyl cc, smallish, whistiling ports (think organ in a church) and lots of cam timing, Vs big cyl lungs, cavernous ports and stumpy cams. The age old debate... if guys look into what some race motors out of factories did (for more than 11-12-13 sec), we'd move forward. And the beer-fueled hours in jr college trig, figuring out where piston was at opening/closing, and taking swept volume from there.... there's your dynamic CR. Good ol' TI calculators! talk soon, Jim Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 27, 2010, 06:55:18 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 27, 2010, 07:27:30 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 27, 2010, 07:39:01 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: PRO-FASTBACK on January 27, 2010, 09:32:05 am HELLO,DOUG
You posted high speed air bleeds pictures and info, 7 hp down low and 12 up high --thats great!! Was wondering was that w/ the rifel drilled venturies also or just the high speed bleeds? If w/ the both what is the hp gains w/ just the bleeds and what apx. hp gains w/ the rifel drilled venturies? Can I get a set of venturies? I run 50mm venturies in my 58s but was wanting to up them to 52mm. If I were to put rifel drilled what size should I run? Are they drilled at a taper/angel or straight down? I am very interested due to the fact that my egts are up to 200 degrees off per cylinder!! And I was wanting to step up my venturi also. Thanks for your post very nice work! Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 27, 2010, 09:35:45 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 27, 2010, 09:46:33 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 27, 2010, 11:51:20 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 27, 2010, 12:14:07 pm .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Trond Dahl on January 27, 2010, 13:13:42 pm PRO FASTBACK ,,, THATS THE E-MAIL I GOT IN AN ENVOLOPE THRU SNAIL MAIL FROM THE SHOP !!! I THOUGHT IT WAS FROM TROND !!! "YOUR ANSWERS" ARE 1 PAGE BACK "ADRESS'D TO TROND" !!! LIST'D 1-7 JUST LIKE THE PAPER I WAS SENT .... (EXACTLY LIKE YOU JUST POST'D.... SORRY GUYS) HOPE IT'S MAKE'N SENSE NOW !!! LOVE DOUG... I POST'D TO TROND IN "THE USED BRM POST" I WONT GO INTO "MOMS" E-MAIL W/O PERMISSION ,,, WHILE I'M NOT AT HOME !!! That explains a lot :-D I was scratching my head trying to understand what I had previously asked you to make you write to me like you did :-D Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Jim Ratto on January 27, 2010, 18:16:13 pm RATTO-CAL ,,, Night time is the right time for thinking, someday I will tell ya about the night in my room, the album and the revelation when it comes to rocker geometry. The light bulb clicked on brightly that night. Cough. I "COULDN'T STOP"... THINK'N 'BOUT "WHAT YOU SAID" 'BOUT CAMS !!! HERE'S ANOTHER "KEY" .... IT'S ANOTHER "BASIC PRINCIPLE" OF PHYSICS !!! (THAT I FOUND ON ANOTHER "VERY LONG" ROAD TRIP) ..... WHEN THERE'S "NOTHIN MUCH TO DO" 'CEPT DRIVE ALL NIGHT !!!! IF YOU "PLACE YOUR THUMB" OVER YOUR STRAW ,,, WHILE IT'S "IN YOUR DRINK" ,,, & PULL IT "UP OUT" OF YOUR DRINK ... "THE FLUID" IS LOCK'D IN THE STRAW !!! AND THIS IS "VERY KEY".... IN "MORE WAYS THAN ONE" IN YOUR ENGINE !!! ESPECIALLY "IN CAM DESIGNS" !!! AND "THE OUTLET" & "FLOW POTENTIAL" !!! GET IT ??? YOU ALREADY "KNOW" THAT "THEY GO HAND IN HAND" RIGHT ??? IT'S NOT LIKE EQUAL/OPPOSITE (BUT IT IS) IT'S MORE LIKE 100% / 100% (THATS REAL WORLD) CAUSE THERE'S "NO SUCH THING" AS 50%/50% UNLESS YOUR ONLY GIVEN IT A (1/2 ASS) ATTEMPT GET IT ??? THERE'S "SO MANY MORE COOL THINGS" I LEARN'D FROM THE STUPID STUFF IN LIFE !!! AND HOW IT APPLY'S GOT SOME "MORE" REALLY "OFF THE WALL" STUFF TO SHOW YOU !!! YOU WONT BELIEVE HOW IT WORKS !!! WELL "YOU" PROBABLY WOULD !!! MOST WOULDN'T !!! "DANGEROUS" DOUG BERG.... YOU INTRIGUED ME WITH SOME MATH NAMES.,,, I HAVE "NO CLUE".... I USE "RENTON MATH" !!! THAT MEANS "BOTH HANDS" AND "BOTH FEET" IF "NEC." !!! We cut a 94mm cylinder too, one night, to make a "track" to see on degree wheel, there the slug was @ 50% stroke, supposedly the place of max velocity. So where does full lift belong to have 100% (+) VE and highest bmep? At that point? Still trying to figure that one out. Dema Elgin taught me more in a few nights than I've picked up in the time brackets around those nights. Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 27, 2010, 19:30:47 pm .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Jim Ratto on January 27, 2010, 20:27:48 pm when you turn up the revs, you're closing the time the lungs of the motor have to take a big deep breath. But, the airspeed into the cylinder goes up (to a point) too? I guess for ultimate in high rpm filling, you want that In valve to close as late as possible. I think of it like, just because you turn the garden hose tap off, you still got that column of water in that 15' hose going somewhere (unless you have a trigger sprayer on the other end, in the closed position). here @ sea level we're all under pressure, literally. Can't see it, feel it, smell it, but it's there, and good thing or the blood would boil in our veins.
Makes hp too, if we harness it. (I'm not a turbo VW guy. ) What's facinating, is that these modern engines with VVT or Variocam or whatever acronym each manufacturer chooses to use, they ALSO retard cam timing for a smooth IDLE. Less cyl pressure? Alfa was doing it way back in the early 1980's. Maybe they were rusting but... Fun to think about this stuff while you ride a big inner tube down a CA river... you can see it for yourself, what's going on in between the air horn and the comb chamber. Sometimes I wonder what my car would do if I backed up my cam back to 108ATDC, from the 104ATDC the intake f.l. is at now. Maybe become a wet dish rag. Imagine a cyl cc of 332ccm and a intake profile of IO 104 BTDC and IC 104 ABDC.... it's for real. Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 27, 2010, 21:13:33 pm .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 27, 2010, 21:32:31 pm .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Jim Ratto on January 27, 2010, 21:47:04 pm the 104/104 cam isn't mine... it's a factory Porsche cam profile for 2.0L six that did 220hp/8200 for hours on end (906, 911R).
My cam is similar to an Engle "135" ;D. Lots of hand wringing and sleepless nights deciding, but Mario over @ Pauter turned me on to the stick in my car. Your bro "finished" the heads that are on my car (they were a few years in the making on my workbench up north, then ditched the project when I moved to Southern Calif, the guy that ended up w/ them sent to Clyde to finish up). More than e.t.'s I built this one for therapy. Therapy for me isn't a floorjack and wrenches strewn about, oil lines bleeding all over my garage. If I were a rich man, I'd own (and drive) one of the Italian-engineered jewels I'm always clamoring on and on about... A Miura S would probably do it. But I'm never gonna have that kind of dough in my back pocket, so I decided to "use what I have" and give it a soul and character as close to what I see in some 12-cyl exotica as I can, which is probably the sign of a real misfit in the VW world. I did this motor to "pretend", giving similar characteristics (I hope) in power delivery (not amount, of course), sound, etc. I can get out on one of these Ventura County backroads and "pretend", as silly as it sounds, it's kept me interested in my car, a good thing. I can sit bored @ work, in a cube, for 8+ hr, looking forward to my 25 min drive home thru the canyon, Webers howling, power on oversteer, matched revs on the downshifts, and then roll it in the garage, pat in on the roof and do it again the next day. It works. Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 27, 2010, 23:33:16 pm .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 28, 2010, 00:32:01 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Jim Ratto on January 28, 2010, 00:38:45 am 111405672 can be used as an lambda sensor bung, ya mean thinking like that?
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 28, 2010, 01:00:42 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 28, 2010, 01:03:58 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 28, 2010, 08:01:29 am .
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Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: PRO-FASTBACK on January 28, 2010, 09:38:36 am Thanks for the info Doug!!
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Jim Ratto on January 28, 2010, 18:58:30 pm YOU "MIGHT NEED" TO GRAB A GOOFY BIKE HELMET WITH A STRAP FOR THIS ONE !!! "DONT WANT" YOUR LIDS TO COME OFF ON THIS ONE !!! (OR MAYBE "I WANT YOUR FRIENDS AT WORK" TO THINK "YOUR AS CRAZY AS I AM" !!!) "ANYONE WHO WANTS TO PLAY ALONG" AT HOME CAN TOO !!! YOUR WIFES WILL LOVE IT !!!! (WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING????) 4-ME "TIME".... "IS" "MALUABLE OR BENDABLE" ..... EVER BEEN BUSY AND "TIME FLEW" ??? OR..... THE "COMPLETE OPPOSITE" !!! EVER GET "WAY MORE DONE" THAN PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE IN "A VERY SHORT" AMOUNT OF "TIME" ??? AND "THE SIZE" OF THE INCREMENTS "NEVER CHANGED" !!! "YOU MIGHT OF" READ SOMEWHERE.... "THAT TIME IS NOT" LIKE THAT...... "AND BELIEVED IT" !!! V-8 BOOKS ARE GREAT FOR THAT..... "SOME BIZZARE CONCEPTS" OF "TIME BEING DIFFERENT" AT "DIFFERENT RATES" OF "ENGINE SPEED" !!! "GIVE ME A BREAK" !!! "THE INCREMENTS NEVER CHANGED SIZE" !!! "LESS TIME" TO "FILL THE CYLINDER" JUST CAUSE IT'S SPIN'N FASTER.... "WHAT" ???? "UNLESS YOU THRU A RAG DOWN IT'S THROAT".... HOW DID THAT HAPPEN ??? IF "THE PISTON".... GOES UP & DOWN "IT MOVES" THAT MUCH AIR PERIOD !!! IT'S NOT LIKE "YOUR PILE'N WOOD" !!! "YOUR MOVE'N AIR" !!! ("AIRSPEED".... "SUPER SONIC AIR SPEED".... WHAT COMES AFTER THAT ??? MACH WARP ???? "I DONT KNOW") I KNOW I KNOW "SPARK RECOVERYTIME" !!! WHAT ??? "YOU BETTER FIRE".... YOUR PLUG LIGHT'R THEN !!! & FIND SOMETHING ELSE !!! COMPUFIRE MULTI COIL PACK BATCH FIRE MSD WAZOO WHATEVER !!! (LIKE THEY "DONT KNOW WHAT THERE DOING" AND CANT KEEP UP !!!) GIVE ME A BREAK !!! I WONT GET INTO FUELS SYSTEMS CAUSE... "I THINK" YOUR GET'N MY DRIFT HERE ??? IF THE ENGINE CAN GO 110% V/E + POSITIVE !!! "IT ALSO" "CAN & DOES" "HAS TOO" GO 110% VE - MINUS !!! "OR BEYOND SCAVANGED" LIKE OPEN'N A VALVE ON RETARD'D CAM !!! LETS BUILD SOME SIGNAL HERE !!! (VACUUM) AKA.... FAST FILL !!! AND THEN "SOME SELF PROCLAIM'D GURU" WILL TELL YOU "TO ADJUST THE VALVES AT ZERO" !!! "LIKE HE KNEW MORE" THAN "THE GUY WHO GROUND IT" !!! COME ON NOW !!! THE #'S ARE ON THE CARD NORMALLY !!! (I'VE HAD 'EM SAY .012 BEFORE !!!) AND "HE" (THE SPG) SAYS 0.... WHAT "DO I DO" ??? THE PISTON & CYLINDER "DID NOT" GO TO COLLEGE (NOR "I") AND THEY "DO NOT KNOW" WHAT TIME IT IS !!! TAKE YOUR HOSE (WATER "IN ON" POSITION) (SPRAY NOZ "ON TIGHT") OK ??? AND START "JACK'N THE HANDLE"..... ON OFF ON OFF ON OFF ON OFF ETC....... GET IT ??? "THATS IN & OUT" AIR BACK'N UP ON THE WAY IN !!! (BACK OF VALVE) & COMPLETE OPPOSITE GOING OUT !!! GET IT ??? (HOW BOUT "UN" BACK'N AIR) (UN PACK'N) YOUR CHOICE HERE !!! YET EQUAL OPPOSITE !!! "COMPLETELY DIFFERENT" FROM JUST HOLD'N IT ON !!!! ("THE HOSE THAT IS") "IT BUILDS PRESSURE" BEHIND THE VALVE ON THE WAY UP !!! (RPM) GREATER & GREATER CHARGE PRESSURE !!! JUST BEG'N TO GET INTO THE DANCE !!! AND READY TOO ROCK & ROLL !!! MY "MOMS DAD" WAS "FORREST"... SO IT'S : "LIL' FORREST" maybe my thinking is in error, but this is the way I look at it..... let's say you have an elevator that has a max capacity of 1500lb, has an entry of 54 sq ft, and stops for a duration, with doors open for 2 min, so people can get in. No problem, right? You can get your 1500lb of people in, doors shut and off they go, the elevator is being used to its full capacity (never mind folks waiting on other floors for this analogy). But what if the elevator sat for only 3 sec with doors open. It stops at the floor, doors slam open, closed and takes off. Think you're going to fill it with 1500lb of people? ;D Maybe guys that set records in the 50 yard... What if elevator stops, opens and closes doors in .5 sec? I know, you're thinking air is compressible (so are people, to an extent). But the cylinder, can go beyond its "1500lb capacity", right? That over 100% VE thing. I think the best motors are the (naturally asp) ones that show a pressure over 1atm in the cylinder somewhere before the piston gets to BDC and starts its trip north on the compression stroke. But at what rpm? I bet the point (degree wheel) where that cyl pressure nudges over 1atm moves all over the scale, dependent on rpm. We're talking a constant of full throttle here. then we can drag rod ratio into play. I like to tell guys, a piston sitting still isn't doing its job (making vacuum or compressing air/fuel), and the more the piston is in movement, the more the carbs and heads "feel" the pull of the motor, maybe fooling them into "thinking" they're on a bigger motor. (if you take stock length rod, and hang it on an 82 crank instead of 69, with same bore... do the heads and carbs get a stronger signal? , above and beyond just the increase in cyl volume 8)) if you can get through the incredibly dry text, the book by Philip H Smith (Scientific Design of Exhaust and Intake Systems) is dated, but informative on this stuff. At that point, before BDC, where we want the cyl to be big and full and fat (above 1atm)... what role does "venturi" effect of valve throat and closing int valve (low lift) play? Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Jim Ratto on January 28, 2010, 19:01:01 pm what kind of rock and roll posters are hanging up in this "room" of yours, Doug?
Mind if I pin a few up? ;D Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 28, 2010, 21:10:47 pm .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 28, 2010, 21:22:37 pm .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Jim Ratto on January 28, 2010, 21:28:46 pm THE ONLY "ERROR" IN YOUR ANALOGY "THAT I CAN SEE IS"... YOU FORGOT 1 MAYBE 2 "KEY" POINTS HERE !!! actually I should have said the situation is you need to get the payload of folks on before doors shut, while the elevator is in MOTION. 8)"FIRST IS"..... THE "AMERICAN OBEISETY" PROBLEM !!! SO: "THAT MEANS" MAYBE 4-5 GUYS IS OVER CAPACITY !!! AND..... AT "10% TO LESS" MENTAL CAPACITY... IT COULD TAKE ALL WEEK TO GET "EM IN THAT ELEVATOR !!! LOVE DOUG.... Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 28, 2010, 21:31:32 pm .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Jim Ratto on January 28, 2010, 21:31:44 pm THE ONLY "ERROR" IN YOUR ANALOGY "THAT I CAN SEE IS"... YOU FORGOT 1 MAYBE 2 "KEY" POINTS HERE !!! actually I should have said the situation is you need to get the payload of folks on before doors shut, while the elevator is in MOTION. 8)"FIRST IS"..... THE "AMERICAN OBEISETY" PROBLEM !!! SO: "THAT MEANS" MAYBE 4-5 GUYS IS OVER CAPACITY !!! AND..... AT "10% TO LESS" MENTAL CAPACITY... IT COULD TAKE ALL WEEK TO GET "EM IN THAT ELEVATOR !!! LOVE DOUG.... Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Jim Ratto on January 28, 2010, 21:39:22 pm POSTER'S HELL YES !!! 8)I WAS HOPE'N "IT WAS ALRIGHT" TO STEAL THE GREEN CAR SHOT DEANO HAS & CLYDE ON ONE WHEEL !!! FOR MY ROOM .... SINCE I "BUILT BOTH CARS" !!! KINDA "PROUD" OF HOW THEY TURN'D OUT !!! THE MUFFIN II IS SPECIAL TOO,,, SINCE IT'S "THE BLACK CAR" GONE NEGATIVE.... FROM THE ORIGINAL SALT & PEPPER TEAM !!! ANYBODY HAVE PIC'S OF IT.... WHEN IT WAS UNDERDOG "UNDERCOVER" ???? LOVE DOUG... Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 28, 2010, 22:55:14 pm .
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Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 29, 2010, 00:00:35 am .
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Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Brandon Sinclair on January 29, 2010, 07:13:55 am I have to say I enjoy reading this thread everyday since it makes me use my brain and think about things like volumetric efficiency related to cam timing-thanks Doug and Jim.
Hey Doug, did you mention on the last page that you have a cam grind with IO and IC similar to a K8 and EO and EC similar to a K10 or did I miss interpret that? If this is true, what made you decide on this custom grind? I understand you are trying to reach greater then 100% VE, NA, and to try to do this you are changine when a valve opens/closes as well as using the scavanging effect of the exhaust to force more air and fuel into the cylinder. I think I am getting lost looking at the cam card numbers on the K8 and K10-either that or the cold medicine is kicking in!!! Anyway looking forward to more discussions tomorrow. k8 IO 24 IC 54 EO 60 EC 18 k10 IO 32 IC 56 EO 66 EC 22 k8/k10 IO 24 IC 54 EO 66 EC 22 Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 29, 2010, 08:36:46 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 29, 2010, 10:52:41 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 29, 2010, 12:14:10 pm .
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Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Peter on January 29, 2010, 17:19:56 pm what do you mean Doug,
depending on the choises made, the increase in power in the top end doesnt make up for the decrease of power in the low end? so net power is lower? like taking a cam with too much duration and then also retarding it? Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Jim Ratto on January 29, 2010, 18:03:08 pm B.S. BUDDY-HOWZIT BRA I like setting the cams forward like that, to yes, 104 ATDC. Been setting them all up that way, with more duration than "the cool crowd" seems to go for. IT'S CALL'D... "EDUCE" OR "EDUCING" EVEN "EDUCEE" TO "CONCLUDE FROM GIVEN FACTS" : "DEDUCE" OR ... ONE THAT RECEIVES OR BENEFITS FROM A SPECIFIC ACTION !!! OR.... ONE THAT PERFORMS A SPECIFIC ACTION !! IT'S "THE APPLICATION OF".... "THE THUMB OVER THE STRAW PRINCIPLES" !!! (EARLIER POST HERE) EVERYTIME "THE OUT DOOR" CLOSES,,, IT.... "LOCKS THE SYSTEM DOWN" !!! "INTO A SUSPENDED ANIMATION" !!! "NO MORE FORWARD PROGRESS" OF EVACUATION !!! "FROZEN IN TIME" A "MERGE COLLECTOR" IS A VACUUM CLEAN'R "SUCK'N" ..... "FROM" IT'S NEIGHBORS PULSE !!! SO IF "THE SMOKE RING" CAN "TRAVEL FURTHER" "THE COLLECTOR" HAS "MORE LEVERAGE" ON IT !!! OR.... "EASIER" TO SLIP OUT "THE BACK DOOR" 104 "LOBE CENTER IS FULL LIFT" AT 104 DEG. OF "CRANK ROTATION" !!! 4 DEG. "SOON'R THAN NORMAL" !!! = 4 DEG. "SOONER CLOSE TIME" !!! (INT.) (MORE CAUGHT IN THE NET) (LESS BACKWASH) (LESS LOST) "THE GREATER"..... "THE DYNAMIC COMPRESSION" !!! ( IT USES "MORE" OF THE STATIC COMPRESSION #) "AND THEN".... 10 MORE DEG. "OF DURATION" ON THE OUTLET !!! OR... OUTLET "OPEN LONGER" ("EVEN THOUGH" FULL LIFT ON THE OUT CYCLE... WAS 4 DEG. SOONER) HOPE THAT "BREAKS IT ON DOWN" FOR YA !!! LET ME KNOW IF YOU NEED MORE HELP WITH IT !!! THE RAD ONE "MIGHT POLISH IT" A LITTLE BETTER TOMORROW !!! LOVE DOUG... LET US "KNOW" IF YOU "GOT IT" !!! "UNDERSTAND'N IS A BOOBIE PRIZE".... I'D RATHER YOU "JUST GOT IT" !!! I think the point of the long exhaust open door is "blowdown"... if I remember right, I learned that was # 1 "thing" in the hierarchy of a cam's job. This is going way back though... ::) I like the idea of the longer exhaust time, though I've never run one myself, let the waste product do some more work than "make noise", sure, why not increase the pull the heads and carbs see. I'm always up for more signal, but gotta be from bottom to top (no loss on top, or why bother with longer duration, 48's...etc) For me to "get" why the advance in the cam's "job" works, I have to draw cartoons of what's taking place. easiest way to understand it. Doug, did you ever read my bit about "plenum-ed" 48IDA manifolds? For race stuff. To make a long story short, which I can w/ you, because I know you'll get it... 1. join the two intake runners somewhere north of intake flange, but south of butterfiles (imagine a Skat Trak that, as it Y's up, joins into a common plenum, under BOTH butterflies)2. at high revs, on intake stroke ONE cylinder, while IO, can pull through TWO butterflies, vents, jet stacks...etc. Yeah i know, what happens to low speed running? I have no answer here... I only looked at it from high revs, that big fat cylinder is basically seeing the sky as air/fuel source. what do you think about that? Maybe you guys have fooled w/ it? I remember seeing a motor in the back shop one day your Mom was walking us around, and there was a drag motor on the floor with a DCNF per cylinder ... you? Thanks for the fun, Jim Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 29, 2010, 20:24:40 pm .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: drgouk on January 29, 2010, 20:28:52 pm Heres we go Jim http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=913554
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Jim Ratto on January 29, 2010, 20:30:59 pm it's been done! I wonder how they worked? Should I buy 'em? 8)
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: drgouk on January 29, 2010, 20:42:45 pm It would be neat to have a set with a easy way of blocking the plenum, So on the dyno it could be back to backed. Also plenum volume would be important I bet.
Poor mans 58's Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Jim Ratto on January 29, 2010, 20:49:21 pm It would be neat to have a set with a easy way of blocking the plenum, So on the dyno it could be back to backed. Also plenum volume would be important I bet. Poor mans 58's yeah like a tunnel ram with 2 dominators but for VW. oops there I go comparing Chevies with VWs >:( Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: danny gabbard on January 29, 2010, 21:16:03 pm Doug, The more I read the more stupid I feel ! This stuff is very interesting. For somebody as simple as me, What or where can A guy like me start reading and get educated a little more on this stuff. I relise it is a life time of doing it and haveing the passion. But better now that later learning for me. I like to make stuff and sometimes you have to tell your tools what to do, I have been lucky and sometime found some pre educated tools and they just end up doing the work. But moveing into areas not traveled it makes me a little nervous and I do not make a move and stay stagnet if you know what I mean. I want to build a engine for one of my cars and have the peices but kinda scared to go farther.
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: danny gabbard on January 29, 2010, 21:17:25 pm O-YA is it alright to smoke in your room ?
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Jim Ratto on January 29, 2010, 21:23:50 pm Doug, The more I read the more stupid I feel ! This stuff is very interesting. For somebody as simple as me, What or where can A guy like me start reading and get educated a little more on this stuff. I relise it is a life time of doing it and haveing the passion. But better now that later learning for me. I like to make stuff and sometimes you have to tell your tools what to do, I have been lucky and sometime found some pre educated tools and they just end up doing the work. But moveing into areas not traveled it makes me a little nervous and I do not make a move and stay stagnet if you know what I mean. I want to build a engine for one of my cars and have the peices but kinda scared to go farther. I'm kinda working on something on the side, that guys can refer to on "how stuff works"... we'll see how it turns out. I think a lot of figuring this stuff out is half science and half having in it your blood and half just trying stuff. Talking car stuff is what gives me a total rush, makes me forget the boring parts of life etc. Some guys like to solo on a Stratocaster, I like driving and talking cars. A lot. Don't feel stupid, dude, you have talents and tricks beyond comprehension (your whole deal with welding header pipes with the hose clamp.... genius if you ask me). Obviously, Doug is talented and gifted as well, just read the stuff he creates and comes up with. Maybe to some a little eccentric (so?) but no matter, if it's what "gives him wings" then fly. I thought about this "plenum" thing one night after a bottle of chianti and listening to tunes and going into "think mode" and I wish I had a dyno and could weld and so on... too cool to see it's been done. I just wonder if it worked? I bet your area is looking nice up there this weekend. 8) Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: danny gabbard on January 29, 2010, 21:34:40 pm Thanks JIM, You guys are all artist, And like I try to tell people. Everbody shine some where. To me this engine designing, Is like a baby takeing its first step. I have built stuff and it has ran and some for quite some time, But not at the caliber you guys are doing. Mine ran from luck, more than anything. I am in a place where I have been messing with these cars for over 30 years and I want to start learning more about what makes them run. Than makeing them shiney, If you know what I mean! This place that we all hang out in are spare time has some very talented people.
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Jim Ratto on January 29, 2010, 21:54:49 pm Thanks JIM, You guys are all artist, And like I try to tell people. Everbody shine some where. To me this engine designing, Is like a baby takeing its first step. I have built stuff and it has ran and some for quite some time, But not at the caliber you guys are doing. Mine ran from luck, more than anything. I am in a place where I have been messing with these cars for over 30 years and I want to start learning more about what makes them run. Than makeing them shiney, If you know what I mean! This place that we all hang out in are spare time has some very talented people. Danny, I could use your opinion buddy.. I have some extra '67 reverse lights, the shells are so so, but the frames and lenses are sweet. I think I am going to make courtesy interior lights out of them.... either in lower rear corner of door panels or one centered up inbetween on front kick panel. I mocked it up and it looks classy. Your thoughts? I know this is Off topic, sorry but seems any direction is ok in Doug's room... sorry Doug. 8) Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: danny gabbard on January 29, 2010, 22:20:07 pm Great Idea, I think somewhere under dash,So if you needed to read or look at something while driveing. Plus its made from OEM parts. I try never to make anything you can buy. One thing does the bulb holder separate from houseing? If I remember VW thing has a neat little interior light also.
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 29, 2010, 22:22:09 pm .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Jim Ratto on January 29, 2010, 22:22:37 pm :)
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Jim Ratto on January 29, 2010, 22:25:55 pm you might enjoy the story behind the band's name.... not about the band, not how they chose it but the orig meaning of their name....
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: danny gabbard on January 29, 2010, 22:58:35 pm A quick question. This has been puzzleing me. On exaust stuff in the vw industry. If this even matters, But I have noticed that guys spend all this time on porting and polishing heads, Then bolt on a shitty fitted mig welded mess they call exaust. The collectors got wire and stuff sticking through in the flow of the tubes. Ive been lucky enough to seen some of the stuff my friend lance has done for the IRL,CART,F1 and I am not compareing But the shit was very nice. He was probably the one that brought inconel to the race car industry, Makes burns stuff look like a first time welder. If anybodys listening?
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Jim Ratto on January 30, 2010, 00:11:33 am PETER,,, GOTTA CHEW ON YOUR MEAN'N A LIL' CAUSE ONLY "1LINE"... 'BOUT NET POWER IS ALL THAT DONT FIT MY BELIEFS,,, REST IS DEAD ON !! TRY'N TO FIGURE "WHAT I SAID WHERE" FOR "YOU" TO GET THERE ??? HOPE I DONT GET "FIRED" FOR PUNCH'N IN LATE "HERE" TODAY !!! MY HEAD "HIT THE PILLOW HARD" AT 5AM !!! COULDNT LET IT GO !!! WAY TOO MANY GREAT IDEAS HERE !!! "FOR A SIMPLE MAN" !!! OR (SIMPLETON LIKE ME) "YOU GUYS GOT MY MIND" ON OVERDRIVE HERE !!! LOVE'N IT CANT FIND THIS SHIT ANYWHERE ELSE !!! AND.... YOU GUYS DIDNT EVEN "GROW UP ON THE DYNO".... ITS MIND BLOW'N !!! GOTTA GO GET SOME TRUK'R MUD !!! JIM ,,,, "ALWAYS KNOW" ONE SIDE IS "UP" & ONE SIDE IS "DOWN" ON THE BUMPSTICK !!! "104 IN".... IS "OPPOSITE OUT" !!! GET IT ??? LOVE DOUG LIKE 112 OUT!!! YES "4" 42'S ON "ONE ENGINE" IS "ME" !!! TALK MORE ON PLENUMNS !!! GOTTA GO SEE "JOE" !!! right... if we take a 108/108 cam, and shove it forward 4 deg, then we have a 104/112...or more specifically, 104ATDC and 112ABDC, unless... you had the exhausts ground 4 deg behind. Do guys do that? I haven't looked into the exh side of things as much as the intake, admittedly. What about different profiles for each corner of motor, dependent on your constraints when it comes to header (or lack of) design? Nobody said every egg in the dozen had to match. Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: TexasTom on January 30, 2010, 00:16:12 am ;)
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Jim Ratto on January 30, 2010, 00:27:35 am DG, Exactly! It takes a long time to go in and clean that mess up before coating/painting! Then again, not many have metal & fab skills GabFab possesses ... wish I could. If you taught a class, I'd enroll. Love everytime you post some new pics of progress on BR's ride ... I should send you my '67 ... another project ... OOJim, My only question is how'd you come to 104? Makes sense, just would like to know how you got to that particular number (trial & error?)... especially if you use that setting for different cams ... just very curious. Think I'll try it! Also, the plenum manifold would be interesting to try on smaller carbs, like 40s. Possible they'd still meter low, but you'd also have both to pull on up high ... ??? Prolly depends on how much plenum you allow too ... and they'd need to be the same on each side ... starting to get complicated. Too ... working on a small chamber street engine ... seem to remember you like that kind. Should get interesting when the chips start flyin off the flycutter! DB, Sorry to be late to comeaknockin on your door ;) Diggin your stuff here ... you're an artist (have some of your art!) and a poet. Valvetrain events are the things I'd really like to get to know much better ... I get the basics and understand the potential effects/affects ... just wanna know where it comes from. Where does the magic happen & why? I admire anyone that knows how to make the magic happen. I'd like to think I've come close a few times ... hmmm ... you've got me thinkin" I need to put together a 'trial' engine to try and get a better view of THE BIG PICTURE. I guess I can't quite make out the trees in the forest ... YET! Everytime you think you know, turn the page and there's another lesson to learn. Thanks for the motivation ... ALL of You! Now, I've got some work to learn ;) Hi Tom, this has to be one of the most motivational posts round these parts in a while at least for me... it's a blast discussing this stuff. I came upon 104 from a few reasons.... like I had posted somewhere up above, I was looking for point where on intake stroke (or exh, really, but...) where piston is at max velocity. Somewhere between (this was over 10 years ago now) the cut 94mm cylinder (cut in half longwise, like splitting a banana), a degree wheel, my Bosch handbook and screwing around with trig, it seemed that "104" was the magic number... it isn't, but ... the other reasons supported this, sort of, meaning a number of "engine guys" I talked to about cam timing, always suggested "104" (but they said "to make this cam run, advance it 4 deg"). One motor, believe it or not, I set up @ 102, but it was a 280@ .050 deal. Made good power too, peak @ 7100 with 40mm vents (2276). somewhere I remember the number "72" coming into play, but now I don't remember where or why. ::) Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Jim Ratto on January 30, 2010, 00:33:50 am It would be neat to have a set with a easy way of blocking the plenum, So on the dyno it could be back to backed. Also plenum volume would be important I bet. Poor mans 58's I wonder what the "other cylinder" is going to tell the pair of circuits though... meaning the one on compress or exh (Int valve still open?), with the usual manifolds, barrel # 3 has no clue what barrel # 4 is doing, unless one robs the other of fuel (dry float bowl). I'm sure Doug has a better answer and explanation on "104" Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 30, 2010, 01:00:08 am .
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Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: TexasTom on January 30, 2010, 01:21:38 am !
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Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: RFbuilt on January 30, 2010, 12:44:18 pm hoping i can enter Doug's room and hope no one kicks me out by slapping the door on my back side on the way out :D
total newb to vw's , more on the honda inline 4 stuff's and oddly enough some wisdom in the vw world works for inline 4s and maybe some on the inline 4s would work, maybe not.. but im sure since their both IC engines.. i know id enjoy the knowledge.. back earlier (hope its not too late) Jim mentioned about camming, (hopefully not too overcammed) a decent/small port or high velocity port'd engine, in theory i think that should up the VE if done right, provided the induction system is working in conjunction to the engine+ rpm + displacement and rod ratio , together once again with the exhaust system, obviously there is more : over cammed, big daddy ports and big jugged motor, that tends to be lazy.. is there room to ramble about high velocity ports (provided we dont go to sonic choke) and hefty cams (duration) ? Ralf Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: TexasTom on January 30, 2010, 16:06:32 pm T
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: RFbuilt on January 30, 2010, 16:11:19 pm very interesting!
hence i hinted on rod ratio on my post (not like i said anything break through haha) waitin on DB and JR to enlighten us (oh specially me.. i need help) Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: TexasTom on January 30, 2010, 19:51:32 pm ??
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Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: TexasTom on January 30, 2010, 22:52:32 pm ...
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Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: RFbuilt on January 31, 2010, 03:31:50 am wow thats one nice scenery,
down here in asia.. we dont have that haha hmmm Doug, the bear? it looks like a cut lil dog/puppy on side view ? ;D Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 31, 2010, 06:45:51 am .
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Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Peter on January 31, 2010, 14:29:01 pm Quote PETER ,,, IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER WHAT CAM WE USE (FOR THIS EXAMPLE) (OR ANY OTHER PART IN "THE SYSTEM") SO; HERE IT GOES... ANY CAM MOVED FROM A -0- (ZERO POSITION) TO A FORWARD OR BACKWARD POSITION "MOVES" "THE POWER" AROUND !!! SO IF "YOUR COMBO" CAN TURN 9000 RPM'S !!! (MAKE POWER THERE) AND YOUR NOT USE'N "IT THERE" .... ON THE STREETS !!! "AND THEN" ADVANCE IT TO "A FORWARD POSITION" (SAY +2/3DEG.) YOU "TOOK POWER" FROM 9000 R'S AND "MOVED IT DOWN" !!! (SAY TO 8000) AND GAIN'D "POWER" DOWN LOW !!! (MORE TORQUE DOWN LOW) EASIER TO MOVE THE WEIGHT OF THE CAR... "FROM A DEAD STOP" WAY MORE DRIVE-ABLE (YOU ALSO QUIT WEAR'N IT OUT SO FAST !!! "IF YOU WERE TURN'N IT THERE") (YOU REALLY WONT "SEE THE LOSS" IF YOU NEVER WENT THAT HIGH !!!) ALSO IF YOU HAVE 42 VENTS .... (SAME 9000 RPM POWER CAPABILITIES) "WE START'D AT" (PRIOR TO OUR IMAGINARY CAM ADVANCE) AND GO TO SMALLER 40 VENTS... ONCE AGAIN YOU TOOK POWER FROM UPSTAIRS AND MOVED IT DOWN !!! OR.... MORE "BOTTOM END TORQUE" WAY MORE DRIVE-ABLE !!! "AND LAST'S A HELL OF ALOT LONGER !!! AND YOU "REALLY WONT NOTICE " THE LOSS CAUSE "YOU NEVER "RAN IT UP THAT HIGH IN THE 1ST. PLACE !!! "THE SAY'N IS" .... "IT TAKES ENERGY TO MAKE ENERGY" !!! "THE OTHER SAY'N IS" .... "YOU HAVE TO GIVE A LITTLE,,, TO GET A LITTLE" OR.... HOW 'BOUT..... "YOU NEVER GET SOMETHING FOR NOTHING" !!! ONE MORE WAY TO SAY IT IS ... "YOU HAVE TO MAKE A SACARIFICE TO MAKE A GAIN" !!! AND..... "THATS THE IN'S & OUT'S" ..... "OF PLUS'S & MINUS'S !!! I SAID EARLIER : SO YOUR "WIFES & GIRLFRIENDS" COULD GET IT TOO !!! "CLARITY OF THE ROOM" VERY GLAD YOU ASK'D FOR A CLARIFCATION !!! IN "THE REPAIR BIZ"..... NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS ..... SO IF I DONT SEE YA "IT MUSTA WORK'D" !!! LOVE DOUG... Thanks Doug for the clarification! To be honest, this is one of your first posts I could completely understand ;D I know for a streetcar it would be best to have more power down low, for drivability and all, now, drivability or good manners dont really interest me ( maybe ignorance or lack of experience ), I drive a diesel everyday, so for my weekend car I want a beast that turns some revs and keeps going harder. I know I will have to sacrifice reliabitity, and drivability in traffic jams etc, but for me I think it will be worth the power on top, I thought because of the rpms, the HP gain (with retarded cam)would be higher compared to the torque gain (with advanced cam) off course it all depends on what people want.. I just love the screaming of my motor in that region. I am sorry, I am stubborn :) Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 31, 2010, 17:56:37 pm .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: RFbuilt on January 31, 2010, 18:02:49 pm wow keep it coming doug or should i say keep it "going"
heard from an oldie about tightening lash to gain strength on "something" and loosening the others for anothe reason.. very interesting.. looks like that old guy who mentioned it wasnt sniffing GIN afterall LOL he's not a vw guy though.. Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: markvo on January 31, 2010, 19:33:15 pm If you Do Not change the flow it Wont Go!Any MO, I never have retarded the cam LOL. The 72 degrees ATDC that hes was talking about ,is the rod is 90degree angle to the crank THATS where MAX piston speed is depending on rod ratio. NOT 104! No matter how long the rod it cant be over 90 degrees. Advancing or retarding does not change total power! RACE HARD OR GO HOME ya I remember putting that on the trailer, back in the 80's!
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 31, 2010, 19:47:01 pm .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: RFbuilt on January 31, 2010, 19:53:07 pm one thing i realize more now cuz of mr DB
is that, maybe the best motor tune/condition is the one that has the "best" set of "compromises" since its give n take, or push n pull some.. in all instances Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on January 31, 2010, 20:02:17 pm .
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Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: TexasTom on January 31, 2010, 21:48:50 pm :)
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Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: TexasTom on February 01, 2010, 02:57:36 am :D
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Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Jim Ratto on February 01, 2010, 19:19:09 pm Trinity River west of Redding is my spot, the little pull out spot, Pigeon Point. Soak your feet and your liver.
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Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Jim Ratto on February 01, 2010, 21:12:30 pm JR,,, IF "I" WERE TO MEET "YOU & YOUR SON" THERE !!! "WE WOULD" HAVE THE "TRUE DEFINITION" .... "OF TRINITY" !!! AND.... WHEN YOU SAW "MY JEANS" ..... "YOU KNOW" .... "IT'S SPELL'D"..... "HOLE-LY" !!! "LOVE DOUG" .... AKA.... "THE HOLE-LY GHOST" !!! TRI,,, TRIG,,, TRIN,,, "YOUR A 3 DIMENIONAL KINDA GUY" !!! HOPE'N (THE BERG 5 -TH DIMENION) ISNT TOO MUCH ??? YOU PROBABLY "ALREADY GOT ONE" !!! "NOTHIN WRONG" WITH A COUPLE "MORE DIMENSIONS" RIGHT !!! "MEASURE TWICE CUT ONCE" !!! hey Doug, most of my awake time is looking for 4th, 5th, 6th... never too much. Spent many a hot summer day on that beach @ Pigeon Point doing just that. My son, wife and I are planning a 1/2 ass road trip maybe to WA this summer. Depends on the pocket book. Business has been the pits. Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on February 01, 2010, 23:03:19 pm .
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Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Jim Ratto on February 02, 2010, 00:39:35 am JIM,,, ARE YOU COMISH ??? I LEFT "MY IMC ACCOUNT" BEHIND TOO !!! ME ,,, PHSYCO ,,, KENNY T. ,,, BILL R. ,,, DANNY G. ,,, THEO M. ,,, DUDLEY J. ,,, LEO ,,, ETC. ETC. ETC. ETC. ETC. ETC. ETC. ETC. "ARE ALL GONNA NEED PARTS" IF THIS IS GONNA HAPPEN !!! ARE YOU IN ??? CAN YOU SHIP TO RENO ??? MY "OLD ACCOUNT" WAS AT IMC "KIRKLAND WA." BRAD A. WENT BACK TO CARTER VW / SUBARU BALLARD ????????? hey Doug... welcome to IMC....yep Reno is my territory. I'd be happy to set ya back up. If you want to talk more about it, I'll email you my office # and home #... call me anytime. JIM Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on February 02, 2010, 00:48:57 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Jim Ratto on February 02, 2010, 01:02:40 am 2000cc motor that can do 2500cc worth of work? 8) NICE
trap that charge. Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Jim Ratto on February 02, 2010, 01:04:16 am bear with me, I'm dragging.... drove to north Calif and back Sat night for a show...
too bad you weren't nearby, could hitched a ride with me. ... it was a keeper of a show. These guys nailed it. I was impressed! 8) Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Jim Ratto on February 02, 2010, 01:06:03 am "Reach out your hand if your cup be empty,
If your cup is full may it be again, Let it be known there is a fountain, That was not made by the hands of men. There is a road, no simple highway, Between the dawn and the dark of night, And if you go no one may follow, That path is for your steps alone." Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: DOUG BERG on February 02, 2010, 01:10:02 am .
Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: Jim Ratto on February 02, 2010, 01:18:47 am THIS 'PUTER IS LIKE THE HAND BRAKE'S ON & THE CHUTE IS OUT TODAY !!! WOULD / COULD MY MOM BENEFIT FROM EXPAND'N GBE'S ??? POSSIBLE ??? HAS TIM & AL BEEN GOIN' THRU YOU.... LIKE I TOLD 'EM TOOO ???? in a perfect world (i.e. no corporate constraints) I could manage your mom's acct in Orange too, but my territory goes as far south as Bakersfield. I can however, take their calls and such... my pleasure. Title: Re: "ROOM" "FOR RENT" Post by: DOUG BERG on February 02, 2010, 01:30:31 am AND..... IF I DON'T SEE YA..... GOOD AFTERNOON..... GOOD EVENING..... AND GOODNIGHT !!! Title: Re: "DOUG'S ROOM" "KEEP OUT" Post by: RFbuilt on February 02, 2010, 05:30:05 am i have a question ;D newbie time LOL
maybe DB or Rattocalone can help me (well im sure its been thought out by u guys, doubt i came up with sumthing) is there, or would there be any drawback or benefit in various "taper" on the induction system? lets say from vstack entry to the carb entry (vstack's base) , the carbs inherent taper tract (including vents) to manifolds entry/carb base all the way to manifold base/headport entry , we have the usual offerings from the common aftermarket brands, and ofcourse GBE's manifolds is there a limit to having too much taper? ====================================================== and lastly, having the carb at a specific height / distance from the back of the valve is there any benefit to having the carb farther up from the back of the valve? like better atomization? i know on efi's with injectors, having the injectors far back helps atomization and high rpm efficiency.. im not sure if carbs need it? or are they alot better in the "atomization department" ? thanks Guys Ralf Title: Re: "ROOM" "FOR RENT" Post by: Shubee2 (DSK) on February 02, 2010, 20:07:14 pm AND..... IF I DON'T SEE YA..... GOOD AFTERNOON..... GOOD EVENING..... AND GOODNIGHT !!! Title: Re: "ROOM" "FOR RENT" Post by: notched on February 02, 2010, 23:19:50 pm All Doug's posts deleted. Bummer. I rather enjoyed "Doug's Room"
Title: Re: "ROOM" "FOR RENT" Post by: louisb on February 03, 2010, 01:45:20 am WTF? Why did Doug leave? A lot of good info in his posts.
--louis Title: Re: "ROOM" "FOR RENT" Post by: Brandon Sinclair on February 03, 2010, 07:21:49 am What happend to all of the posts? Damn, I was hoping to read these later this week at my crappy job when my mind was daydreaming of VW's!!
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Title: Re: "ROOM" "FOR RENT" Post by: Peter on February 03, 2010, 11:55:31 am strange guy,
first a lot of bullshit about changing other peoples lives, when you finally start to understand him, he leaves us hanging..... NICE! Title: Re: "ROOM" "FOR RENT" Post by: jonathan on February 03, 2010, 15:34:07 pm Noooo!Its like your favourite T.V show getting cancelled mid season!
Title: Re: "ROOM" "FOR RENT" Post by: DOUG BERG on February 03, 2010, 22:22:21 pm .
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