Title: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on March 08, 2010, 13:52:11 pm Hi,
I guess it's my turn to write a short story of my project, with a couple of pictures... As some of you may know, I started a chassis car project two years ago by buying Leif Nyström's old car (without engine & transmission). [attachment=1] The original plan was to replace the body with an all-steel oval-window body. I found an early '53 oval window in the summer of 2008. I believe it is a very special car; from what I can see from the picture, even though it was built 3/1953, it has split window doors and grooved trim from the factory. My guess is that they used some old parts at the factory? [attachment=2] I stripped the chassis and the body [attachment=3] and did a mock-up of the car [attachment=4] Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: BeetleBug on March 08, 2010, 14:23:27 pm Dam, has it started to snow in hell? A Fin making a project thread :o
Looking forward to your updates. Love the heading, it`s long between purpose built street cars :) Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on March 08, 2010, 14:36:23 pm Some time passed by and in late summer 2009 I was doing some work on the car, and somehow started to re-measure the chassis. Ooops. some of the tubes were undersized and it was illegal for racing in Finland. I was more or less forced to divest the chassis and go for a new one. A pity, since the chassis had served Leif well, running hi 8s at 250km/h++
I contacted RLR, and we specified the new chassis; CrMo chassis with a Funny Car cage (SFI 25.4, 7.50sec), ladder bars, K&L beam... [attachment=1] The chassis was shipped in late January [attachment=2] During the shipping I prepared the body and axles ready [attachment=3] [attachment=4] Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on March 08, 2010, 14:39:33 pm The container arrived in early March
[attachment=1] And the same night I had bolted on the axles and wheels [attachment=2] [attachment=3] The following day I put on the body [attachment=4] Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on March 08, 2010, 14:43:31 pm The 10" wheels barely fit inside original fenders - there ain't too much space between the tires and the valve covers, but the engine fits behind a closed deck lid
[attachment=1] I had a 70mm narrowed beam available, but I need to narrow it more, prob 6" [attachment=2] The rear apron had to be cut to fit the oil pump [attachment=3] Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on March 08, 2010, 14:47:45 pm The contrast between grooved semaphores and Funny car cage
[attachment=1] A street car with a SFI sticker [attachment=2] A special picture for Richie ;D [attachment=3] And the car on scales. My estimate is 770-800kg race ready with driver, it is a full steel street car after all ;) [attachment=4] Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Wout on March 08, 2010, 15:37:56 pm Awesome! Looks stunning :o
gr Wout Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Trond Dahl on March 08, 2010, 16:49:36 pm Looking really good!
What engine are you putting in? Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Zach Gomulka on March 08, 2010, 17:37:22 pm Holy crap!
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: richie on March 08, 2010, 17:55:51 pm A special picture for Richie ;D [attachment=3] :o >:( :D As long as they stay there thats ok ;) :) Jyrki,it looks really good,like that the decklid closes properly,what offset & sizes are the wheels? cheers richie Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Ragtop on March 08, 2010, 18:30:15 pm Man, there are so many cool cars being built all over Europe right now. I am so glad to be a part of it.
Very very nice Jyrki!! Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Berger on March 08, 2010, 19:19:20 pm Wow, what a racecar Jyrki! :o 8) Thanks for sharing!
I`m on my knees now and pray that this is the car you are bringing to SCC this year ;) Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on March 08, 2010, 19:57:21 pm Hi,
I can't even dream of driving it this year, probably not even 2011. Even though I have sold 2 1/4 cars during the past 2 years to be able to focus my limited time&money for this project, it'll take a couple of years to get it running, maybe more. I don't have a timetable for it, but I must admit I am anxious. This year my goal is to run my '65 beetle which has been woken after 4 years of hibernation. Turbo engine, most likely the Pauter engine that I had in the '55 in naturally aspirated form. Wheelie bars for both cars Richie, unless Kalle arranges Unlimited Street Europe 8) The wheels are Billet Specialties (cheapest SFI 15.1 wheels), 3½" front with 1.75" Back Spacing, and 10" rear with 3½" Back Spacing. 10" is overkill, but this is all about "look & feel". Axles are 5" narrowed. Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Eric Ellis (57HotrodVW) on March 08, 2010, 20:21:41 pm That carage and the vehicles that it contains seems familiar... 8)
Looking good, Jyrki - Thanks for the updates and info! Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: vwcab on March 08, 2010, 21:10:48 pm Just AWESOME,great lookin' car you are building.Keep going on.
;) Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: BeetleBug on March 09, 2010, 09:11:41 am Wow, a 3.4 litre turbo monster? That should be able to move this thing on the streets for sure. It looks like a tight fit for the exhaust pipe on the 3/4 side but surely you will manage :)
Unlimited Street Europe, now that would be a lot of fun; 1) cruise 2) race 3) BBQ 4) Bragging how about adopting the US rules? • Any four cylinder, air cooled, rear-engine VW powered vehicle allowed • Minimum vehicle weight (with driver) 1700 lbs (can be changed) • Must have two front seats • Must have functioning headlights & tail lights • No Wheelie Bars allowed • Proof of Registration and Insurance Required • Vehicle must have all required safety equipment for ET/MPH as per NHRA Rules • Vehicles must complete an approximate 20km street Cruise prior to the event • No tow vehicles allowed (Vehicle must drive to the Starting Line and return to the Pits under its own power.) Just for fun! Best rgs BB Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on March 09, 2010, 11:41:43 am Unlimited Street Europe, now that would be a lot of fun; 1) cruise 2) race 3) BBQ 4) Bragging how about adopting the US rules? • Any four cylinder, air cooled, rear-engine VW powered vehicle allowed • Minimum vehicle weight (with driver) 1700 lbs (can be changed) • Must have two front seats • Must have functioning headlights & tail lights • No Wheelie Bars allowed • Proof of Registration and Insurance Required • Vehicle must have all required safety equipment for ET/MPH as per NHRA Rules • Vehicles must complete an approximate 20km street Cruise prior to the event • No tow vehicles allowed (Vehicle must drive to the Starting Line and return to the Pits under its own power.) Just for fun! Best rgs BB Sounds perfect! Count me in. Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: taffy apple on March 09, 2010, 16:40:06 pm Truly awesome car you are building there Jyrki
Keep up the good work, Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Lee.C on March 09, 2010, 17:03:15 pm Wow, a 3.4 litre turbo monster? That should be able to move this thing on the streets for sure. It looks like a tight fit for the exhaust pipe on the 3/4 side but surely you will manage :) Unlimited Street Europe, now that would be a lot of fun; 1) cruise 2) race 3) BBQ 4) Bragging how about adopting the US rules? • Any four cylinder, air cooled, rear-engine VW powered vehicle allowed • Minimum vehicle weight (with driver) 1700 lbs (can be changed) • Must have two front seats • Must have functioning headlights & tail lights • No Wheelie Bars allowed • Proof of Registration and Insurance Required • Vehicle must have all required safety equipment for ET/MPH as per NHRA Rules • Vehicles must complete an approximate 20km street Cruise prior to the event • No tow vehicles allowed (Vehicle must drive to the Starting Line and return to the Pits under its own power.) Just for fun! Best rgs BB Now thats sound PERFECT - I want in ;) Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Tekken on March 10, 2010, 09:05:44 am Awsome project Jyrki,can't wait to see this car finished-love those wheels! :P
Stian Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Rasser on March 10, 2010, 20:28:02 pm Cool project!
I remember seeing your green oval pauter powered monster at SCC a few years ago, and i think you won an award too, right? That car had some serious punch, and turbocharging it just sounds insane ::) ::) ::) ::) ... in a good way ;D I loved your green car! very cool. Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Ragtop on March 11, 2010, 13:50:15 pm Wow, a 3.4 litre turbo monster? That should be able to move this thing on the streets for sure. It looks like a tight fit for the exhaust pipe on the 3/4 side but surely you will manage :) Unlimited Street Europe, now that would be a lot of fun; 1) cruise 2) race 3) BBQ 4) Bragging how about adopting the US rules? • Any four cylinder, air cooled, rear-engine VW powered vehicle allowed • Minimum vehicle weight (with driver) 1700 lbs (can be changed) • Must have two front seats • Must have functioning headlights & tail lights • No Wheelie Bars allowed • Proof of Registration and Insurance Required • Vehicle must have all required safety equipment for ET/MPH as per NHRA Rules • Vehicles must complete an approximate 20km street Cruise prior to the event • No tow vehicles allowed (Vehicle must drive to the Starting Line and return to the Pits under its own power.) Just for fun! Best rgs BB All of a sudden I feel the urge of building my ragtop back to racetrim hehe Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: max2919 on March 11, 2010, 19:36:56 pm I want to play to...
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Airspeed on March 11, 2010, 19:56:01 pm Sounds like a cool class that I would like to be in if at all possible 8)
How much 'aircooled' are you talking about Kalle? Cylinderheads aircooled? intercooler aircooled? (awesome build too Jyrki! :D) Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: BeetleBug on March 11, 2010, 22:16:59 pm Sounds like a cool class that I would like to be in if at all possible 8) How much 'aircooled' are you talking about Kalle? Cylinderheads aircooled? intercooler aircooled? (awesome build too Jyrki! :D) Aircooled, just to make sure Skinne does not dominate the class :) On a more serious note, this is something I have been talking to Jyrki about over a beer or two and nothing more serious than that. But if there is any interest for it perhaps I should take it further? Sorry for going off topic in your project thread Jyrki. Best rgs Kalle Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Wild Hare on March 12, 2010, 04:45:20 am Zowie Batman!
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Martin on March 12, 2010, 15:59:09 pm Awesome project!
Keep the pics coming! Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on April 08, 2010, 08:12:47 am Minor progress on the car...
I built a new 6" narrowed front beam, and now the wheels fit the way they should: [attachment=1] The chassis and the body are attached together with temporary mounts. There is still some adjustment to be done; at the moment the body is 2mm off-set. With 28" tires the stance is close to what I had in mind: [attachment=2] It is a very tight fit to get everything "inside the car"; the header and oil-pump vs. rear apron, intake vs. deck lid, injectors, wheels, valve covers vs. rear tires etc. As an example, I had to cut the rear apron for the #2 exhaust primary pipe, but the deck lid still closes: [attachment=3] I also started fabricating the header. The pictures are even worse than the ones above, so I won't include them. Anyway, the turbo will be located next to the transmission nose cone / behind the co-driver's seat. I am aware the tubes are pretty long, but I really want to locate the turbo, IC, tanks, battery etc as much as possible to front/right/down to optimise the center of gravity. I hope the turbo will spool up w/o problems, it is a moderate size turbo on a big engine. 20% done 80% to go? Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: AntLockyer on April 08, 2010, 09:33:35 am Inspiring stuff.
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: splitblitz on April 08, 2010, 11:46:38 am This gonna be a fantastic car!
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on April 22, 2010, 11:43:18 am Time for a little update before I put this project aside for a while. The season is about to start and now I need to focus on the '65 ; I really want to drive it at last (it's been too long...).
Anyway, I did some stuff on the '53. There was not enough room between the valve covers and tires: [attachment=1] There was 13mm extra space inside the valve cover, so I chopped 10mm off. Nice welds (not mine): [attachment=2] Now there is enough room: [attachment=3] Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on April 22, 2010, 11:50:06 am I started the header:
[attachment=1] The turbo's preliminary (and unconventional) location: [attachment=2] --- This is where I will leave the project for a while, or at least as priority #2. Now the focus is on the '65 that I have had for more than 20 years. It has not been on the road since 2005, but there are some upgrades since the last time out... [attachment=3] Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Tekken on April 22, 2010, 15:57:11 pm Nice work Jyrki,hope to have a look in May.
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on December 23, 2010, 22:13:31 pm Time for a new update. After the season I did some stuff with the '65 and then started to work on the '53 again. Not much done yet, the header, exhaust w/ muffler (yes, there is one), dual wastegates, some panel work and rust issues, and with the help of Matti Ä the stance is now correct and there is enough ground clearance and room for the 28" tires. At his pace this will take years...
[attachment=1] [attachment=2] [attachment=3] Next steps will consist of some final body work / details, and then take it apart and start building the floors etc. Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: vwcab on December 23, 2010, 23:17:35 pm Nice to see some progress.Looks AWESOME :o
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Nico86 on December 23, 2010, 23:58:45 pm wow ! :o
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Zündfunke on December 24, 2010, 00:05:06 am Terrifying! 8)
Looking perfect! Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on December 26, 2010, 10:59:57 am Here are some detail pictures.
Engine mock-up. There is no room for a fan shroud, so the plan is to run E85 and some big efficient electric fans (and a 100 amp alternator). Hope it will keep the head temps when cruising in the pits (or in the streets?). [attachment=1] The Garret GT40 and the muffler (I know it will be loud, but there are classes that require a muffler, but without noise limits): [attachment=2] Then a picture of the Funny Car cage. The safety rules do not require one before 8.50sec, but I feel that with a VW Beetle it is good to have some extra protection: [attachment=3] As far as the "look and feel" of the car goes, the plan remains; it will have full trim, running boards, windows fitted with original weatherstrip (not flush), lights and dash, everything except for the bumpers. The color is not decided yet, but at the moment I am leaning towards original "Sahara Beige". I think it would be a nice sleeper color. Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Udo on December 26, 2010, 16:58:33 pm Nice car and good to see you got a complete chassis from ronny :) . so you can be shure it runs save and straight .
If you would go on the street in germany with a car like that they take you to law :( Udo Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Ragtop on December 26, 2010, 19:17:55 pm That stance looks awesome, good work!
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Zündfunke on December 26, 2010, 22:41:59 pm If you would go on the street in germany with a car like that they take you to law :( Udo :D...that was what I was thinking of by reading the topic! "Something wrong officer?" Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: danny gabbard on December 27, 2010, 04:31:31 am What a cool project! I like how the exaust dumps out the side, reminds me of a orange 40 willys that was on the cover of street rodder magazine a million years ago.
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Trond Dahl on December 27, 2010, 13:50:45 pm If you would go on the street in germany with a car like that they take you to law :( Udo :D...that was what I was thinking of by reading the topic! "Something wrong officer?" I think the word "street" can be interpeted in many ways... Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: charlie on December 27, 2010, 17:00:08 pm Hi .
Maybe the fist streetcar with M&H Winter DOT ;D ;D Cool project, . Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on June 15, 2011, 17:45:02 pm Some progress: custom parts thanks to my friend Pekka.
The dual cell for the fuel, and the water that is circulated thru the intercooler: [attachment=1] Then there is the liquid intercooler; as big as I could fit so that (in theory) it is still possible to have some room for a co-driver: [attachment=2] As you can notice, I am trying to locate them with Center of Gravity in mind, and I don't mind the weight. Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Fasterbrit on July 10, 2011, 17:40:28 pm Looking fantastic! This is going to be one car to watch out for in the future 8) Matt
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Trond Dahl on December 13, 2011, 14:19:51 pm Long time, no update. How is the car progressing Jyrki?
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on December 14, 2011, 09:10:48 am Long time, no update. How is the car progressing Jyrki? Thanks for asking, it has actually progressed pretty well since the racing season ended. The chassis has almost all brackets tigged, and is painted (a temporary paint), and the body is ready for paint (satin paint job for now). With a new car I acknowledge that there will be modifications, so the plan is to run the car for a while, and take it apart later for the 'final' paint etc. Front beam, steering, fuel cell, battery, shifter, seat, window net, pedals, header, oil tank, IC etc done. Next things to do: floor & firewall, intake manifold, plumbing, wiring, engine and transmission assembly and a million little things. I hope to be able to get the car out for some initial tests during 2012. Jyrki [attachment=1][attachment=2] Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Trond Dahl on December 14, 2011, 10:03:40 am Thanks for the update Jyrki. The car is coming along nicely I see :-)
I remember you talking about a theoretic chance of fitting a passanger. Must be interesting to sit there leaning on the turbo and having the intercooler betwen your feet :-D Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on December 14, 2011, 10:36:34 am Thanks for the update Jyrki. The car is coming along nicely I see :-) I remember you talking about a theoretic chance of fitting a passanger. Must be interesting to sit there leaning on the turbo and having the intercooler betwen your feet :-D Yap, there will be a passenger seat for cruising purposes, but the passenger is not gonna travel comfortably. The extra seat and other not-so-necessary details are the last things on the ToDo list. Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on February 07, 2012, 23:10:48 pm Car is progressing...
[attachment=1] Welding the driver's floor (spec calls for a steel floor for the driver). [attachment=2] Sahara beige!!! The guy who painted it didn't want to do a half-ass-job (i.e. satin paint). Me like :) Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: SPRasmussen on February 08, 2012, 06:02:20 am Nice ;D
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jesus on February 08, 2012, 17:37:31 pm such an awesome car, can't wait to see the finished product!
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: thehanz DVK on February 08, 2012, 18:48:13 pm very nice project...really like the big tyres in the back, nice stance...
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: richie on February 08, 2012, 19:04:36 pm Car is progressing... [attachment=1] Welding the driver's floor (spec calls for a steel floor for the driver). [attachment=2] Sahara beige!!! The guy who painted it didn't want to do a half-ass-job (i.e. satin paint). Me like :) Jyrki Looking good,if i had known you were painting it shiny I would have sent some yellow,its not alot away from beige apparently ::),in the picture of the floor welding why is he doing the passenger side? did you flip the negative when you printed it from the camera film :D cheers Richie Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Fast54 on February 08, 2012, 21:53:48 pm This will be the car to watch this season. The first 8 sec street car (AC).
Looking good Jyrki!! /H Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: 58vw on February 09, 2012, 05:36:36 am very awesome build... ;D keep up the work.....and pictures ;D ;D
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: BeetleBug on February 09, 2012, 09:14:44 am The first 8 sec street car (AC). /H Good thing you didn`t forget AC. :) Let`s see what happens when Skinne drains the water from his car. Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: richie on February 09, 2012, 09:20:40 am The first 8 sec street car (AC). /H Let`s see what happens when Skinne drains the water from his car on the track again. There you go kalle I corrected it for you :o :D cheers richie Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on February 09, 2012, 20:46:54 pm Car is progressing... [attachment=1] Welding the driver's floor (spec calls for a steel floor for the driver). [attachment=2] Sahara beige!!! The guy who painted it didn't want to do a half-ass-job (i.e. satin paint). Me like :) Jyrki Looking good,if i had known you were painting it shiny I would have sent some yellow,its not alot away from beige apparently ::),in the picture of the floor welding why is he doing the passenger side? did you flip the negative when you printed it from the camera film :D cheers Richie And it's not even a cabrio - what was I thinking ;) Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Tekken on February 09, 2012, 22:29:30 pm :D :D
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: richie on February 09, 2012, 23:02:44 pm And it's not even a cabrio - what was I thinking ;) Jyrki Its not to late,its easy to swap the body still,you want me to find a donor and yellow for you and send it over,I think I have a slightly scratched one still ;) On a more serious note,are you making the inner front fender area from steel as well? I read a build thread on the Red victor3 FIA Pro mod car and they did it as the rules for them required it,I am thinking of doing it as it looks like it offers alot more protection to your feet if the worse happens cheers Richie Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on February 10, 2012, 08:12:35 am And it's not even a cabrio - what was I thinking ;) Jyrki Its not to late,its easy to swap the body still,you want me to find a donor and yellow for you and send it over,I think I have a slightly scratched one still ;) On a more serious note,are you making the inner front fender area from steel as well? I read a build thread on the Red victor3 FIA Pro mod car and they did it as the rules for them required it,I am thinking of doing it as it looks like it offers alot more protection to your feet if the worse happens cheers Richie The SFI 25.4 requires 0.6mm steel floor only under the driver, so I cut all other pieces out of 0.8mm aluminum. There are quite a few bars around the driver, but what you're saying makes sense and I will reconsider. Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Ninho/DKM on February 10, 2012, 13:49:23 pm O.M.G. :o
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on April 08, 2012, 11:19:15 am Some progress...
[attachment=1] [attachment=2] Still a long way to go... Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Erlend / bug66 on April 08, 2012, 11:54:21 am NICE ;D
Will this race at SCC? :) Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: kev d on April 08, 2012, 15:15:24 pm Hi Jyrki,
Missed your build up till now ::) Very impressive, look forward to seeing it out 8) Cheers Kev Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: AntLockyer on April 08, 2012, 16:25:22 pm Yes! Looking great.
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: valtteri on April 08, 2012, 17:09:17 pm Wow, that thing looks awesome! :0
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Fasterbrit on April 08, 2012, 20:02:43 pm Very, very 8)
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on April 11, 2012, 11:08:17 am NICE ;D Will this race at SCC? :) I am not too optimistic about racing at SCC this year. I have a lot of things still on the ToDo-list. Also, the Finnish FHRA tech div visited the garage two days ago, and they suggested a couple of changes to the car to make it safer. Yesterday I picked up the last parts of the body from the paint shop: [attachment=1] and the manifold built by my good friend JP: [attachment=2] Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Trond Dahl on April 11, 2012, 11:37:15 am Pure porn
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jesse/DVK on April 11, 2012, 11:58:12 am It doesn't get any better than this! :o
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: LuftsickTero on April 11, 2012, 12:19:47 pm Yesterday I picked up the last parts of the body from the paint shop: Awesome work but knowing you personally for long time, it's sort of something to expect 8) Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Martin on April 11, 2012, 17:22:26 pm just loving this build
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: richie on April 12, 2012, 06:39:22 am NICE ;D Will this race at SCC? :) I am not too optimistic about racing at SCC this year. I have a lot of things still on the ToDo-list. Also, the Finnish FHRA tech div visited the garage two days ago, and they suggested a couple of changes to the car to make it safer. Yesterday I picked up the last parts of the body from the paint shop: [attachment=1] and the manifold built by my good friend JP: [attachment=2] Jyrki Jyrki, looks beautifull,what will you do to allow for engine expansion trying to pull the intake apart?as it is will it expand a similar amount? or will you have some sort of connectors to allow for this movement? cheers richie Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jon on April 12, 2012, 08:17:35 am Beautiful build Jyrki! And refreshing to see the use of a real tube chassis and still sticking to the street car title... safety first.
But looking at that engine, I get the feeling that the streets are really short in Finland? Or how do you solve the cooling? Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: typ34vienna on April 12, 2012, 09:16:06 am This build is so 'Luftsick' ;D
I'm loving it!! Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on April 12, 2012, 09:18:24 am Jyrki, looks beautifull,what will you do to allow for engine expansion trying to pull the intake apart?as it is will it expand a similar amount? or will you have some sort of connectors to allow for this movement? cheers richie Hi, The manifold is not done yet, it's not even fully welded yet. My initial idea was to cut the other side runners, and use silicone hoses and clamps to allow movement. Just like in every previous turbo engine. However, I might take the risk and install it as is; the sidewalls of the plenum allow some movement, and the temp/growth of the long block vs. intake is unknown. If needed, it is VERY EASY to cut it later (unless I brake something first :'(). The watercooled Subaru has a 1-piece intake. So, not decided yet. There will be electric fans, and fuel is gonna be E85. Not sure if the fans are gonna do their job. Back in 2009 I had this engine in N/A setup (11.8:1 compression) on E85, and with type 1 cooling, fan rpm slowed 40% from original, I could not get the heads above 120C. At WOT you cannot keep it cool no matter what you do, but that is just X seconds at time. In the street (city, not highway) and pits it's just cruising at idle. We'll see (there will be oil and cylinder head temp sensors). Keep the comments coming - it's easier to solve possible issues now. Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Martin on April 12, 2012, 10:21:52 am ive been using wigins clamps on the inlet side of things, they allow a lot of movment and are so easy to break the joint for servicing etc.
http://images.importtuner.com/reviews/parts/0702_impp_09z+wiggins_clamps+tube_connectors.jpg I find they work great always seal up and can be used on air or liquids. from memory you can have about 5mm in expantion and 10 DEG of movment. I use them all the time, i find buying the clamps and sealing ring from ebay and then i machine the ferrals myself ( i make them for some chassis shops) Hope it helps. Cracking Build by the way ;) Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: bang on April 12, 2012, 10:53:05 am martin i found sime clamp that work better than them you show.
try vibrant performance they are stronger, but they only go down to 2,5" diameter. i use the on pressure side of turbo. But Nice build jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Martin on April 13, 2012, 07:10:42 am just looked them up, very nice
the main reason i used the wiggins ones is that there used on aircraft, so i kind of figured they would hold togther ;) lol Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Marty on April 14, 2012, 17:26:44 pm Absolutely STUNNING!
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Lee.C on April 20, 2012, 22:07:51 pm NICE ;D Will this race at SCC? :) I am not too optimistic about racing at SCC this year. I have a lot of things still on the ToDo-list. Also, the Finnish FHRA tech div visited the garage two days ago, and they suggested a couple of changes to the car to make it safer. Yesterday I picked up the last parts of the body from the paint shop: [attachment=1] and the manifold built by my good friend JP: [attachment=2] Jyrki Just AWSOME! ;D Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Ninho/DKM on April 21, 2012, 23:25:10 pm Never seen a thing like that before.......thanks to exist. :o
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on June 07, 2012, 10:44:11 am Some progress..
Got the plumbing done [attachment=1] and the intake welded and anodized [attachment=2] Then it was time to assemble the engine [attachment=3][attachment=4] Next tasks: weld a few more brackets, finish welding the charge pipes, clean all tanks, hoses etc, assemble and check for leaks. The biggest single task ahead is wiring (quite a few sensors around the car). Then another million little things... Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Martin on June 07, 2012, 13:00:32 pm keep it up
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on July 26, 2012, 20:28:12 pm Tomi borrowed scales from Mika (THANKS!) and we weighted the cars. The new car is 752kg with driver and all tanks full, but still missing the full steel body, windows, wheeliebars, chute and probably something else too. Weight race-ready estimated to be around 880kg + possible new ballast (now the ballast consists of only the 31kg battery tray in front of front axle and 12kg of lead next to the fuel cell).
The weight distribution is estimated to be appr. 57% rear – 43% front thanks to the location of a number of heavy components: IC, tanks, batteries, turbo etc. [attachment=1][attachment=2] Tanks and hoses cleaned and tested for leaks (had to fix a transmission oil leak), all fluids are in, pushrods and rockers installed. Next: bleed brakes and clutch, wiring harness… Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: richie on July 26, 2012, 20:59:23 pm Excellent
so three weeks today we will see it loaded on the trailer heading for norway? :D Making good progress cheers richie Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Shag55 on August 16, 2012, 05:39:29 am Nice! Just found your thread. Great work. This is going to be one bad a$$ car.
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: lecid on August 16, 2012, 14:58:58 pm Just waouw !!! Amazing build Jyrki !! :o
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: dyno don on August 16, 2012, 16:49:56 pm ......I am Stoked..!! It is "AMAZING" to see such craftmanship and innovative design... The Euro community as a whole baffle my senses with their incredible sense of direction with build outs but THIS BUILD really is COOL..!! My hat off to you for your time and patience and inviting us into your world since the beginning. This is MY Dream car and will no doubt pop out eye balls where ever you may appear. Beautiful garage setting with everything clean and organized. Beautiful craftmanship and wishing you success on your completion and hope to see you and your "street car" while in Europe next time in 2013..? "Thanks" to you again for your efforts, and for a cerebral awakening/LOL... Dyno Don
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Fasterbrit on August 16, 2012, 19:09:58 pm [attachment=1][attachment=2] That's a real nice weight distribution. Well done! 8) Matt Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: dyno don on August 16, 2012, 21:26:03 pm Hi there Matt, congrats to YOU as well for sharing your build and awe inspiring pics. You guys IMPRESS me...... Dyno Don
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Fasterbrit on August 16, 2012, 23:10:11 pm Thanks for your kind words Don ;)
Matt Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on October 24, 2012, 09:19:50 am Some progress.
Windows have been cut (though they will be assembled with chrome trim): [attachment=1] Some interior parts: [attachment=2] And finally, I fired the engine 2 weeks ago, and earlier this week I ran thru gears on stands and did the first test drive - 10 meters in the garage ;D [attachment=3] Still a few tasks on the ToDo-list before I can take it to dyno, and weather permitting, to a test drive outside. I am not too hopeful about the weather, it is +2C and has been raining a lot, and in northern parts it is already snowing :( Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Trond Dahl on October 24, 2012, 10:07:10 am Love it!
Thanks for updating us on the progress. Easy that this will be (is already) one of my most favourite cars of all times Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: AntLockyer on October 24, 2012, 10:14:11 am Looks amazing. Plastic windows on the street?
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: BeetleBug on October 24, 2012, 10:18:57 am My kind of test run! Looks stunning Jyrki.
Plastic windows on the street? Yes, it`s fully legal and certainly a lot better if you ever crash. It takes hours to get rid of all the glass after first getting rid of the bits in your eyes. -BB- Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Berger on October 24, 2012, 10:42:35 am Very nice Jyrki!! :o
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: AntLockyer on October 24, 2012, 11:24:01 am My kind of test run! Looks stunning Jyrki. Plastic windows on the street? Yes, it`s fully legal and certainly a lot better if you ever crash. It takes hours to get rid of all the glass after first getting rid of the bits in your eyes. -BB- Actually I'm not sure why I was surprised we had plastic windows in the red car and that got street usage. Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Ragtop on October 24, 2012, 11:45:55 am Nothing beats a garage test run ;D
It looks like you will be done for the next Turbo Town Shootout. I am almost certain it will be a really fast race. Need to get some T-shirts ready for the historic event. Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on October 24, 2012, 12:54:32 pm My kind of test run! Looks stunning Jyrki. Plastic windows on the street? Yes, it`s fully legal and certainly a lot better if you ever crash. It takes hours to get rid of all the glass after first getting rid of the bits in your eyes. -BB- Actually I'm not sure why I was surprised we had plastic windows in the red car and that got street usage. As Kalle said; safety first. Lexan is legal for racing and street here. The windshield is laminated glass though. Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Tekken on October 24, 2012, 15:52:50 pm Awsome Jyrki !
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Matty c on October 24, 2012, 16:01:53 pm This thing is absolutely bonkers, I love it! Awesome work!
Matt Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Bugsy on October 24, 2012, 17:25:15 pm This one vill be mean when it´s finished. Can´t wait to see it live.
As Ragtop said, next Turbo Town Shootout would be fine. ;D Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: cedric on October 26, 2012, 07:18:28 am Nice work mabey a movie of 10 meters in the garage? ;D
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: typ34vienna on October 26, 2012, 13:27:14 pm Hi Jyrki, it seems that your garage is exactly 392,34m to short ;D!!
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jon on October 26, 2012, 14:37:11 pm Hi Jyrki, it seems that your garage is exactly 392,34m to short ;D!! Good brakes? Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on October 30, 2012, 08:29:41 am Next step was to drive the thing a little more. We got some snow late last week, and the temps were close to zero Celcius, so had to find a place with electricity so I could heat the oil before the test. Without any body over the chassis the police might have some comments if I would drive it around the block?
Loaded the thing on trailer: [attachment=1] Took it to a parking garage, and plugged the oil heater. [attachment=2] Then it was time for a cruise. Taking it really easy, just testing that the controls work as they should, and confirming the sensors that are already there are ok. Found out a few issues; first of all the Fuel Pressure Regulator does not raise Fuel Pressure as it builds boost (brand new big Aeromotive FPR). Then the Vertigate needs some more final adjustments. Otherwise it was all good (or as the Slugs say "it didn't burn or anything"). [attachment=3] Thanks to Jukka & Marko, Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: BeetleBug on October 30, 2012, 09:07:59 am :D :D :D
Hahaha... next step, fit studded snow tires and take it for a drive on the streets. BTW, the Aeromotive regulator probably freezed up... its not built for arctic temperatures :) Keep on with the good work Jyrki and I really look forward to seeing you back on the track again. Kjula and Turbo Town Shootout I hope? Best rgs Kalle Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Ragtop on October 30, 2012, 10:15:23 am I like this line
"Found out a few issues; first of all the Fuel Pressure Regulator does not raise Fuel Pressure as it builds boost (brand new big Aeromotive FPR). " The sound must´ve been awesome in that garage. Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: AntLockyer on October 30, 2012, 14:25:09 pm Great stuff :)
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: nicolas on November 01, 2012, 16:26:26 pm that car looks awesome even without the body fitted.
i think you'll need a new speedo though as the 120 km/h one will only be sufficient for garage driving and not street driving as you intend... Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Shag55 on November 01, 2012, 16:39:31 pm What's your second small battery for? Looking killer!
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Airspeed on November 01, 2012, 19:44:04 pm You must have had soooo much fun while running it underground ;D
Awesome project! Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on November 02, 2012, 08:56:32 am What's your second small battery for? Looking killer! There isn't physically room for an alternator in the car (belt-driven by pulley), so in order to secure voltage I have a converter which is fed by the red Optima, and the converter deliveres 15.6V to the electric system. Starter has a dedicated battery, because the converter would be on the limit with the starter's amp draw. I have a plan how to fit an alternator in the car, but let's see first if I could get away without. Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Martin on November 02, 2012, 09:01:21 am I tried running without an alternator on mine,
when i looked at the logs, the voltage used to drop to 9.8v at the top of the RPM scale, then on the drive back to the pits it would come back up to 11.9v Cars looking awesome! Well done! Martin Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on November 02, 2012, 11:32:46 am I tried running without an alternator on mine, when i looked at the logs, the voltage used to drop to 9.8v at the top of the RPM scale, then on the drive back to the pits it would come back up to 11.9v Martin Hi, The converter is supposed to keep voltage at over 15V as long as there is decent supply - the main battery can drop to 10V and the system still has 15V. Let's see if the converter lives up to the promise of the marketing material. I am logging also the supply voltage. Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Airspeed on November 02, 2012, 12:14:18 pm Do you use a 'Kennebell' voltage booster for that Jyrki?
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on November 02, 2012, 12:48:31 pm Do you use a 'Kennebell' voltage booster for that Jyrki? No, it's just a 12 VDC / 16VDC converter, supposed to live under rough conditions, 70A continuous, 120A momentary. [attachment=1] Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Martin on November 02, 2012, 13:13:07 pm I tried running without an alternator on mine, when i looked at the logs, the voltage used to drop to 9.8v at the top of the RPM scale, then on the drive back to the pits it would come back up to 11.9v Martin Hi, The converter is supposed to keep voltage at over 15V as long as there is decent supply - the main battery can drop to 10V and the system still has 15V. Let's see if the converter lives up to the promise of the marketing material. I am logging also the supply voltage. Jyrki Nice, didnt know you could get one..... Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on November 02, 2012, 14:07:33 pm Remains to be seen if it works in real life or not..
Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: 58vw on November 05, 2012, 04:29:02 am ;D 8) 8)
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on December 04, 2012, 10:55:39 am Report from the dyno two weeks ago:
[attachment=1] The plan for the first dyno session was to test the engine, transmission, electrics etc, and only run at modest load, then take it back to garage and check the motor and transmission oils, oil filter, valvetrain and leakdown before reaching for any real power, so we ran on 0.5bar wastegate springs only. We started with short sweeps at 15-30% throttle opening 1500-4000rpm, then moving up. The ‘small’ Garret GT4094R with a/r 1.19 exhaust made 0.5bar boost by 3500rpm with less than 40% TP, making it a nice street engine ;) The exhaust back pressure stayed at the same level as boost, but I wonder if the turbo will be good for 7000rpm and 1.5bar? One of the reasons to go to dyno is to find new-car-issues, instead of finding them at the strip. First issue was a slipping clutch at little over 4000rpm, but during the following pulls the clutch started to hold, so it just needed to be seated in. Then there was an issue with the electric throttle going to fail safe on two pulls – it’s a duplicated signal and there was prob too big difference between them (more than 3% triggers the fail safe). It didn’t happen again but this needs to be figured out. Then while running up to 5500rpm, still running at less than 50% throttle opening, the fuel pressure dropped by 0.5-0.7 bar between 5100-5400rpm. We checked the electrics without finding anything, so figured it must be something mechanical. We didn’t have much time left, so just called it a day. BTW, the 12V to 15.6V converter did its job all day. By (unfair) comparison, the new engine made more torque with just 0.5bar boost and <50% throttle than the old 2332cc street engine did with full boost and full throttle (the one that ran 9.43 in a 900+ kg street car) on the same dyno ;D Back in the garage I drained the oils and checked the oil filter. Engine oil was somewhat milky (running too rich with E85, oil temps below ethanol boiling point even though it was connected to the heater). Otherwise everything looked ok. Then I took off the fuel filters (100 micron S/S pre-filter and 10 micron cellulose main filter) and disassembled them. The pre-filter had some soft stuff in the mesh (and I also found out that the design is restrictive), and the main filter looked ok. However, the stuff in the pre-filter resembles the cellulose material of the 10 micron filter? This is a very likely the reason for the drop in fuel pressure. Next steps: new fuel filters, clean the injectors just to be sure and a new dyno session at some point. Still A LOT of little things to be done with the car... Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: AntLockyer on December 04, 2012, 13:21:41 pm Nice work, I love the design of that dyno.
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: MeXX on December 04, 2012, 15:31:30 pm Back in the garage I drained the oils and checked the oil filter. Engine oil was somewhat milky (running too rich with E85, oil temps below ethanol boiling point even though it was connected to the heater). Otherwise everything looked ok. Jyrki Dear Jyrki As I also had a lot problems with alcohol in the oil :P and tried different thinks on preheating, I wanted do ask U about your preheating set up. 1. Power of the heater? 2. where is it installed? 3. what temperature setpoint? 4. do you have circulation during preheating? 5. how much oil do you have? 6. how much drops the temperature when U start the cold engine ? MeXX Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: tikimadness on December 04, 2012, 18:21:23 pm Very impressive stuff Jyrki ;). I would be over the moon if my car ends up half the quality yours is. ;D ;D
Michael Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on December 06, 2012, 09:33:29 am Back in the garage I drained the oils and checked the oil filter. Engine oil was somewhat milky (running too rich with E85, oil temps below ethanol boiling point even though it was connected to the heater). Otherwise everything looked ok. Jyrki Dear Jyrki As I also had a lot problems with alcohol in the oil :P and tried different thinks on preheating, I wanted do ask U about your preheating set up. 1. Power of the heater? 2. where is it installed? 3. what temperature setpoint? 4. do you have circulation during preheating? 5. how much oil do you have? 6. how much drops the temperature when U start the cold engine ? MeXX 1. 300W. It is enough to heat the oil in the oil tank in a decent time, but…. 2. oil-tank, which holds 50% of all oil 3. none. There is a timer in the electric supply, or alternatively it is ON all the time 4. nothing automatic. I sometimes circulate w/ starter engine 5. about 9 litres 6. if I heat 50% of oil to 70-80C in 20C garage and start the engine, the oil temp drops below 50C once the heads have reached 70-80C Maybe I should add another heater element in the engine case oil sump (there is prob 2 liters of oil ??)?? Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Martin on December 06, 2012, 09:49:43 am looking fantasic,
Nice to know the voltage converter is working. Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Shag55 on December 06, 2012, 16:36:01 pm Nice!
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on December 23, 2012, 23:11:38 pm Whoohoo, the new wheels arrived some time ago, and with the help of Tomi, Sami and Make we got the windows installed and lifted the body over the chassis.
The wheels are 8½x15 and 3½x15 Fuchs replicas (5 x 4 3/4" bolt pattern, custom et, custom lug nut setup) from Image Wheels (http://www.imagewheels.co.uk/index.html). I am really happy with their product and service! 5 weeks from initial query to delivery ;D [attachment=1] [attachment=2] Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Andy Sykes on December 23, 2012, 23:36:46 pm Loving those wheels and made about 2 hours fom me :) very nice, and your car is dam cool too :)
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: vwcab on December 23, 2012, 23:50:10 pm It's getting BETTER and BETTER,love it!!!!!
:) Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: SPRasmussen on December 24, 2012, 08:06:53 am That is badass, one of the coolest builds on this forum ;)
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Trond Dahl on December 24, 2012, 08:56:14 am That is badass, one of the coolest builds on this forum ;) That came from the guy with the other one :-)But yes, I totally agree:-) Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Fredy Kucmocht on December 24, 2012, 11:56:06 am Are this the original steel fenders and the tyres are 10,5 x 28 ?
Please,do you have pics from the inside of the fenders. Great car,thanks Fredy Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jonny Grigg on December 24, 2012, 17:10:23 pm Hi Jyrki,
I love this thread- one of the most awesome VW builds I have seen in a very long time. Great engineering and attention to detail. Just as an aside, now that you have changed your wheels, if you ever think about selling on those Billet Specialties Street Lites, I' d be very interested in buying them off you. Just a thought. Cheers, Jonny. Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Neil Davies on December 25, 2012, 01:29:53 am Loving those wheels and made about 2 hours fom me :) very nice, and your car is dam cool too :) Just 25 minutes from me! ;D Car looks amazing Jyrki, subtle but insane at the same time. Brilliant. Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on December 25, 2012, 13:48:37 pm Are this the original steel fenders and the tyres are 10,5 x 28 ? Please,do you have pics from the inside of the fenders. Great car,thanks Fredy Hi, Yes, the fenders are original steel fenders. They are std width, or maybe even slightly narrower towards the rear of the fender. The tires are M/T 9x28x15, which in reality are about 27.3" tall. 5" narrowed, Geers brakes, 8.5" wheels with 3.75" BS. With this setup ideal back-spacing would be around 3.25-3.5". I'll take some pictures under the fenders. Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Fredy Kucmocht on December 25, 2012, 23:09:52 pm Thank you so much Jyrki !
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on December 28, 2012, 09:26:30 am Here are some poor quality pics of the rear fender tabs. The tabs are raised so that the Dzus' springs are not the first to touch the tires, just in case the car squats too much.
[attachment=1] [attachment=2] Then a picture of the stance (the front runners are not yet on the 3½" Fuchs replicas) : [attachment=3] And one more; almost everything fits under the panels. I had to take off the right side fuel rail; but it's an easy modification to make it fit. [attachment=4] Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Airspeed on December 28, 2012, 11:49:59 am Fecking awesome!
Good thinking on the raised tabs too! Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: fahrvergnugen on December 28, 2012, 14:17:09 pm Bad ass car, love it.
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Andy Sykes on December 28, 2012, 17:52:58 pm Absolutely awesome ;D
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Fredy Kucmocht on December 28, 2012, 19:07:58 pm wow, to faint !
Please one pic from the inside of the fender [attachment=1] Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jesus on December 28, 2012, 20:21:24 pm Such an Awesome Project, Looks Amasing!
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: 58vw on December 28, 2012, 21:57:59 pm awesome pics...keep em coming
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: valtteri on December 29, 2012, 02:03:01 am Wow. Just wow. I think this time Jyrki has really hit the gold vein for style. I have to say it's one of the coolest-looking VW rides I've seen in a very long time, if not ever. WAIT...what...it goes fast too? Even more amazing.
The motivation for our hobby is built on cornerstone cars like this: they come few and far between but this is one of them. Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Ragtop on December 29, 2012, 22:57:47 pm I totally agree with previous speaker.
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: A-C on December 30, 2012, 05:45:53 am Awesome work Jyrki, I really like you style build a "Streetmachines"
Marko QLD Aus Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Eric Ellis (57HotrodVW) on January 02, 2013, 02:44:43 am VERY cool and getting better with every update!
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jon on January 02, 2013, 09:36:57 am I love the aggressiveness of the wheel placement at the front wheels, great stuff Jyrki!
Happy new year btw! ;) Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on January 02, 2013, 10:57:53 am Thank You everyone for the kind words.
Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Berger on January 02, 2013, 19:20:46 pm This is by far the most perfect beetle racecar ever! Just can't stop looking at it :o
Never been a fan of raised rear fenders, but you made it perfect on this car! And those wheels!!!! Wow! Hope you plan to bring it to SCC this year Jyrki, can't wait to see how it performs at the track. 8) Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Lee.C on February 21, 2013, 23:04:37 pm I love the aggressiveness of the wheel placement at the front wheels, great stuff Jyrki! Happy new year btw! ;) Very well put Sir ;) Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: BossHogg76 on March 02, 2013, 16:46:11 pm I think I've just had a crisis....that is a lovely looking car.
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: UltraOrange67-2443 on March 18, 2013, 21:14:59 pm Great looking build!
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on March 27, 2013, 20:20:55 pm Installed the Force sensor for Gear Shift Cut:
[attachment=1] Then the GPS unit: [attachment=2] and wiring for lights. A quick connector for the rear lights (rear fender are remoable): [attachment=3] Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on March 27, 2013, 20:24:00 pm Lights working, check:
[attachment=1] Removable tow hooks front: [attachment=2] and rear. This also works as support for lifting the car: [attachment=3] Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on March 27, 2013, 20:27:51 pm The front is so low that our jacks are useless. Stole idea from motorcycle crowd:
[attachment=1] A custom jack and stands for the rear: [attachment=2] Car waiting for better weather. Only part still missing is the running boards: [attachment=3] Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Lee.C on March 27, 2013, 20:38:30 pm VERY VERY nice - Love the stance :)
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: fahrvergnugen on March 27, 2013, 21:28:22 pm sha shwa shu.. Oops sorry, I was drooling :P
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: henk on March 27, 2013, 22:12:27 pm great looking car.
looks even fast just standing there. henk!!! Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Eric Ellis (57HotrodVW) on April 03, 2013, 05:10:06 am Car waiting for better weather. Only part still missing is the running boards: (http://cal-look.no/lounge/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11977.0;attach=65007;image) The car looks great, but the LUTFISK stickers seem kind of fishy, Jyrki... ;D Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on April 03, 2013, 07:03:16 am The car looks great, but the LUTFISK stickers seem kind of fishy, Jyrki... ;D And my good friends, the Arabia Slugs, said they had nothing to do with it :) Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on May 06, 2013, 20:26:31 pm Some progress..
Wheel alignment a few weeks ago - thanks Takis [attachment=1] Test drive in a parking lot [attachment=2] Corner weights [attachment=3] Maybe the 'Purpose built street car' should be re-named to 'Heavy street'? With all ballast in the front, the weight distribution is 53% rear, 47% front. Only parts missing are the running boards and chute. Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on June 25, 2013, 20:54:17 pm I have been testing the car at a truck terminal a few times. The gearshift mechanism was giving me a headache; combining American, German, Finnish and Australian parts proved not to be plug'n'play. The electronics seem to work, but the shifting mechanism did not. Had to take it all apart once, and in the latest test session it was better (though not 100% confirmed to work yet), but then new issues rose. There is a mismatch of parts with the starter which need to be addressed. On top of that I also broke two rocker arms. Everything in the valve train is the good stuff, and I though it was over-built. Well, my 'low-maintenance' junk needs some spares and I have to keep on working with the car. I was not expecting to avoid teething issues.
[attachment=1] Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jon on June 26, 2013, 08:58:27 am I have been testing the car at a truck terminal a few times. The gearshift mechanism was giving me a headache; combining American, German, Finnish and Australian parts proved not to be plug'n'play. The electronics seem to work, but the shifting mechanism did not. Had to take it all apart once, and in the latest test session it was better (though not 100% confirmed to work yet), but then new issues rose. There is a mismatch of parts with the starter which need to be addressed. On top of that I also broke two rocker arms. Everything in the valve train is the good stuff, and I though it was over-built. Well, my 'low-maintenance' junk needs some spares and I have to keep on working with the car. I was not expecting to avoid teething issues. [attachment=1] Jyrki Good to hear that you are ironing out the issues. I have never seen such a nice part being broken, looks like new except for the obvious. Hope to see you at SCC!! Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Berger on June 26, 2013, 09:19:47 am I think there might be reason to suspect a valve hitting the piston when a rocker breaks like that. Hope that is not the case of course!
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Martin on June 26, 2013, 09:39:07 am Russ used to break them once the springs were coming to the end of there life. the aggressive cam and floating took them out.
Martin Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Fiatdude on June 26, 2013, 11:52:16 am Your car is fantastic -- -- But you can either break those or bend these or break rocker arm studs or have the nut back off on the stud
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss306/Fiatdude/IMG_20130609_104352_421_zps2eb2e15c.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/Fiatdude/media/IMG_20130609_104352_421_zps2eb2e15c.jpg.html) I'm running into the same issue and can't figure out why -- been thinking I'm the lone ranger == very sorry for you, but I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one, was starting to think that I'm crazy --- So my engine is coming apart Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on June 26, 2013, 14:39:18 pm Leakdown measured ok. Everything was new when I started, designed for boosted application, and it has only seen very little GENTLE use. Well, these things happen. I will measure the springs to see if they are gone (they were fine after the 1½ naturally aspirated seasons, and in this setup they have only seen 6500rpm and 14psi boost).
Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Shag55 on June 26, 2013, 15:58:18 pm Those are the older models. The new ones are much stronger.
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on June 26, 2013, 16:54:04 pm Those are the older models. The new ones are much stronger. That could actually be good news!Thanks, Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Fiatdude on June 27, 2013, 02:06:47 am How do you tell the old ones from the new ones Shagg
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Martin on June 27, 2013, 07:56:35 am the new ones are bushless and bearing less... Ive had them in my motor for a long time.
they are honed to shaft size and are oil fed from the pushrod. Mine have done a lot of work on the dyno and arnt showing any signs of wear at all. Martin Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Shag55 on June 28, 2013, 16:40:47 pm They are also made of different aluminum. ;)
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: UltraOrange67-2443 on July 02, 2013, 21:30:09 pm Pauter have redesigned the shafts, they will be available in 3 - 4 weeks.
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on July 03, 2013, 09:11:29 am I placed an order for a new set Friday, and they shipped Monday. Pauter is always extremely quick to reply and help.
It will be less ratio and more spring. I am not worried about less valve lift - that is not the bottle neck for power in my motor. Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Shag55 on July 09, 2013, 15:27:35 pm I placed an order for a new set Friday, and they shipped Monday. Pauter is always extremely quick to reply and help. agreed! But is there a bottle neck or is it just a mark on the boost knob that says ( danger, over power. Dont go past here! ) LOL!It will be less ratio and more spring. I am not worried about less valve lift - that is not the bottle neck for power in my motor. Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: A-C on July 13, 2013, 00:07:42 am Rocker picture remind me an old saying tells :)
If it's not broken you not try hard enough Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: thehanz DVK on July 13, 2013, 06:36:33 am Beautiful and impressive car...
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: fredy66 on July 14, 2013, 22:32:42 pm looking good
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Shag55 on August 01, 2013, 16:10:21 pm Good luck on your 1st runs!
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on August 15, 2013, 11:35:23 am I guess it is time for s ahort report from BRC in Tierp and SCC in Gardermoen. Well, first a few words about the preceding tests. After installing the new 1.4:1 rockers in place, I took the car to yet another test at the truck terminal. The valve train seemed to work, and taking it easy the gears shifted without drama. It was Friday evening and there was a race for Fords the following day in Alastaro. I tried to call someone in the club, but no luck, so we just took the car there in the morning and at the gate asked if we could join the event with an old VW. They said yes. So I took the car to a strip the first time. Leaving off at idle, running at 0.8bar, granny-shifting at 6000 rpm, the car ran 12.x at 190km/h. Felt pretty ok, just a slight pull to the right. I had changed the rear coil-over springs and could not do another corner-weight, so that was the most likely reason. Took a look at data at the pits, and everything seemed to be in order. So for the next ‘pass’ I put on wheelie bars, messed something and could not do a proper burnout, and staged. There was no traction, it just went right to the limiter. Short-shifted to second, then third and then I broke the gas pedal. Whaaatt!!! I have burned 50 liters of E85, but I guess with the helmet on you just push harder ;) Anyway, fixing the pedal should be easy, so even though the car was not race ready, I still decided to take it to BRC and SCC for testing – I did not want to go without a car again. So I booked the ferries, corner-weighted and adjusted the car and fixed the pedal.
At Tierp I took the first pass really easy; same low boost, low rpm, granny-shifting, just like the very first pass in Alastaro. No slip in clutch, so it just spun the tires in 1st, but no issues in 2nd thru 4th. It did a 12.x / 203km/h, and went straight and easy. For the next pass I made some minor adjustments, but during the pass I broke the pedal again. What the %¤&%. In the evening I did a quick&dirty fix to the pedal using e.g. Richie’s old UK license plate as material. Saturday morning I went out again, but the pedal broke right away. That was it; the rest of the day I enjoyed watching others race in the really nice weather. The next day we started to search for a new pedal so that I could take the car to SCC. I parked my trailer in Västerås for a few days before driving to Norway – thanks to the TurboTown folks for the safe parking place, hospitality, garage tours, cruise night etc! The Swedish Monday-night cruise had a thousand cars! Tuesday morning I picked up a new pedal from Stockholm (thanks Jukka & Tomi), and drove to Stian’s place where we modified and installed it, and did some minor work on Stian’s car – thanks to Stian and his family for hospitality! Thursday I drove to Gardermoen, Friday we just took it easy and Saturday it was time for some drag racing. The track was a bit slippery, and even my low boost setup broke the tires loose in 1st, 2nd and 3rd as seen 04:32 on www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPtomzYSdhg&sns=em Sunday the track was better, but my pass was a disaster thanks to a charge pipe popping loose during the burnout – it did not build any boost at launch, nor during the run. It was an easy 10minute fix, but then came the rain. It was time to pack and drive to Stockholm and take the ferry back home. In total it was a 2146km trip, a couple of aborted runs and only one run all the way down the strip. No good nor even decent time slips, but I was not even expecting that. Found and fixed a couple of teething issues and logged valuable data. Most importantly it was really, I mean really nice to see friends, hang out, watch and do some racing, meet new people, new friends. The hospitality was just overwhelming!!! Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on September 06, 2013, 07:38:12 am ..and the story continues, including some more detailed technical shit.
For SCC my goal was 'to make a clean pass with 80% power'. Well, that didn't happen. It was not clean and there was no power. After the Scandinavian trip I started to prepare for the next test session in the Finnish Finals in Alastaro. Based on what we learnt in BRC and SCC, and some further testing in a parking lot, I moved the ladder bar links one step up, softened all shocks and took some ballast from the front (now 962kg with driver). A new test at a parking lot showed it was better - with a third gear burnout I could get enough load on the engine to get an idea if the suspension setup changed, and check boost control. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbLE2Pa1XxU Last Friday I took it to Alastaro. Tech inspection - OK. SFI 25.4 chassis certification - OK ;D First pass: bogged the engine really bad, down to <1000rpm. Drove thru the gears, granny-shifting at 6500rpm, 1.2bar boost. 12.1@215km/h. Next pass: found traction, but 60ft was only 1.50sec. Later found the reason for that - I was pulling the shifter for a long time in 1-2 gearshift, so that the Gear Shift Cut re-activated and killed power. It also killed the 1/8" as it was doing only 168 km/h half track. The good news is that it picked 55 km/h from 1/8 to 1/4 :o Drove thru the gears, still granny-shifting at 6500rpm, 1.2bar boost. 10.2@223km/h. Car went straight as an arrow. Of course there is not that much power yet, but with reasonable amount of power I was so comfortable driving it that it was almost boring. This is good news - with the the previous car it took years to make it run straight. Then it started to rain >:( http://youtu.be/qmUocsZy1hM I would say this was '80% clean' and '80% power'. Still a lot to do with clutch, suspension, gearshifting, driver, power... The time slips are not good, but I am reasonably happy with the progress. I have now 7 passes on the car, out of which one was aborted due to no traction in any gear, two due to breaking the gas pedal (?), and four passes driving thru all gears, taking baby-steps. 'At this age you don't have to rush things'. Thanks to Alhomatic and Valtteri. Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Martin on September 06, 2013, 08:32:34 am Great Report!
Is your shift cut on while you pull the shifter? as normally you set a time limit on the cut. So Pull shifter you get a shift cut for 0.2 of a second. then back to normal, even if your still pulling on the shifter. Keep at it, its a stunning car! ;) Martin Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on September 06, 2013, 08:42:18 am Is your shift cut on while you pull the shifter? as normally you set a time limit on the cut. So Pull shifter you get a shift cut for 0.2 of a second. then back to normal, even if your still pulling on the shifter. Martin It activates for a limited time; I had it set for 0.10sec and then ramp power back in 0.02sec. There is also a setup for the minimum time between shifts for it to activate again. As I was pulling for a long time it re-activated. So my bad as a driver and as a tuner. I don't even need it now as I am using the clutch and lifting throttle.. Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Martin on September 06, 2013, 10:03:25 am you can teach the motec which gears your in, but using rpm against wheel speed. so it wont react.
have you seen the gear set on UAC? clutch less shifting? that system works the same a liberty box. you don't need a shift cut with it, just full power shifting.. only draw back I see is that you cant down shift. Keep at it... ;) Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: JS on September 06, 2013, 22:38:14 pm I just have to say that reading this thread I thought I had an idea about what this car was about. I was fortunate to see it this summer, and make no mistake - it will blow your mind.
Perhaps the most well built "street" beetle in the world. Will be looking forward to the rest of the story! Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on September 07, 2013, 14:05:19 pm you can teach the motec which gears your in, but using rpm against wheel speed. so it wont react. have you seen the gear set on UAC? clutch less shifting? that system works the same a liberty box. you don't need a shift cut with it, just full power shifting.. only draw back I see is that you cant down shift. Yes, the ECU detects which gear is on. Can you please explain "using rpm against wheel speed. so it wont react". In GSC I had the delay set at only 100msec, and no 'Next Gear Terminate', so I will address these. Yes, I have seen the clutchless in UAC. What I have now is the Finnish Dog Ring stuff. With these you need Gear Shift Cut in a turbo car. Earlier this summer I fought with the shifting mechanism, and in order to get some passes this season I gave up and just started shifting with clutch & lifting throttle. I will continue the tests later - I really want to be able to do full power shifts. Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Shag55 on September 08, 2013, 23:55:44 pm Nice report Jyrki! Keep at it.
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on September 24, 2013, 08:48:29 am Season is over – here is the last report.
After the Alastaro event I took the car to dyno to see if there was power to be gained with more timing. Last year the engine was only dynoed to 0.5bar / 5000rpm before the clogged fuel filter ended the session, and the test passes this season were made with very conservative ignition maps. Well, we found out that the engine wanted a lot more timing above 6000rpm. What I had in Alastaro was less than 400hp to the wheels @6200rpm, and with more timing it made 450@7000rpm with the same boost. The numbers are not big, but less than 400whp was enough to run 223km/h at 960kg… I made a small adjustment to the rear shocks, an adjustment to the clutch and registered to NIGHT OF FIRE in Kjula, Sweden. Boy the Swedes know how to arrange a nice event, with excellent atmosphere and lots of crazy Swedish cars 8) First pass Saturday: 3rd gear burnout, launch @5000rpm & 1bar (same as previous pass in Alastaro): rpm dropped way too low to 3300rpm, so 60ft not good at 1.45sec. 1/8 mile 6.20/183, ¼ mile 9.61/230km/h. I would say speed is OK for the power to weight ratio, but there is still room for improvement in the et. I put it in neutral after finish line, and I let it coast along the very long braking area in Kjula, and I could hear noise from transmission. At the pits we analyzed there is something wrong in r&p area. The Mendeola case and r&p are 12 years old, but only maybe 130 passes? The et is not yet something to mention, but it is going to the right correction. I would say I am now within half a second of the potential of current boost, and the car feels good enough to turn up the boost to 1.5bar. I am ok to end the season here - a month ago the gap from actual time slip to theoretical et was 3 seconds and ending the season with that would have tasted bad :( Thanks to my Swedish crew, Johan & Fredde, for their help in Kjula!!! Looking forward to 2014! Jyrki [attachment=1] Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Martin on September 24, 2013, 09:07:31 am awesome car and another great report.
Interesting that the motor liked the increase in timing past 6000 rpm. Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on July 01, 2014, 13:25:49 pm It's been a while...
During the winter I took the engine apart just to be sure everything is ok - it was - and Mr. Alhomatic checked the transmission. I also did a long list of smaller tasks on the car so that it would be ready for the first races. It was but I was busy at work, so I missed the May race in Motopark. Then there were no races on real tracks until now. So last weekend we took the car to Alastaro, and with the help of Kari, Tomi and Make, did a few more test passes. With the limited number of passes we could not get the car to hook, and it only ran 9.6/233 with a very bad 60ft time (1.55 spinning through 1st gear). Still on low boost ;) This was the first time I launched a chute. Naturally I would prefer not to have a chute, nor the wheelie bars, but I must say I will not run these speeds without one anymore. A 950kg beetle running >230km/h and small brakes definately benefits having a chute. Feels a lot safer! Sunday rained out, so we will go out again to continue tuning the suspension. [attachment=1] Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on July 04, 2014, 21:03:17 pm Three more passes in the big race in Alastaro. 9.62, 9.52 and 9.41/234.9km/h. Still on low boost and still not 60-footing well (spins thru 1st - not hooking at all). I have now 9 'real' launches with the car in total. The car reacts in a logical way to adjustments, and runs real nice & feels good and safe. Just not hooking, and not much power. Need to do more work and tests with the clutch, suspension etc.
Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Erlend / bug66 on July 04, 2014, 21:57:45 pm What tires / pressure are you running?
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on July 05, 2014, 19:39:30 pm M/T 28x9x15, 0.75bar tire pressure, also tried 0.80 and 0.85bar. Tires are fresh.
Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: MeXX on July 06, 2014, 08:48:16 am M/T 28x9x15, 0.75bar tire pressure, also tried 0.80 and 0.85bar. Tires are fresh. Jyrki Dear Jyrki Hope U are doing well and car gets faster soon. ;D 0.75 bar sounds much to me I'm usually runnin' 0,3 to 0,4. Yes I know my car is lighter than yours. ::) Try go get pix if your tire works at launch (wrinkles) and it will hook up. [attachment=1] just 4 example. BTW to compensate my weight advantage I did this run with a passenger ;D DoD MeXX Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Airspeed on July 06, 2014, 12:32:56 pm Three more passes in the big race in Alastaro. 9.62, 9.52 and 9.41/234.9km/h. Still on low boost ... What do you call 'low boost'? 20 psi?Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on July 07, 2014, 17:32:20 pm I believe tire pressure is close to what it should be. Looking at the marks on asphalt it seems to use the whole contact width. The tires wrinkle too:
(http://miksu.1g.fi/kuvat/Drag%20Racing/FHRA%20Nitro%20Nationals%204.7.2014/Nitro%20Nationals%20042.jpg/_bigthumb.jpg) (http://miksu.1g.fi/kuvat/Drag%20Racing/FHRA%20Nitro%20Nationals%204.7.2014/Nitro%20Nationals%20042.jpg) Yes, to me below 20psi is low boost. Last year I ran up to 1.2bar and now a little more (but not much). My friends from Västerås would say below 30psi is low boost ;D Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Airspeed on July 07, 2014, 18:26:21 pm My friends from Västerås would say below 30psi is low boost ;D Jyrki I'd say you're probably right! LOL! Tnx, car is absolutely awesome! Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Berger on July 07, 2014, 18:41:56 pm If I remember correctly you have a better weight balance in your car than a typical vdub, meaning more weight on the front wheels and less on the rear. This should result in a different ideal angle to the ladder bar, I guess pointing "more down" in front.... I`m sure you have all this calculated and figured out, but wondering if you have tried a drastic change in the angle of the ladder bars just to see how it reacts?
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on July 08, 2014, 08:40:10 am If I remember correctly you have a better weight balance in your car than a typical vdub, meaning more weight on the front wheels and less on the rear. This should result in a different ideal angle to the ladder bar, I guess pointing "more down" in front.... I`m sure you have all this calculated and figured out, but wondering if you have tried a drastic change in the angle of the ladder bars just to see how it reacts? Yes, different link points (Instant Center) have been in the agenda. We might even test going back to where we were (from 11" IC to 10" IC). At the moment I believe it is a combination of things; clutch, track, shocks, springs, suspension geometry, launch rpm and boost, power curve, wheelie bars, weight distribution, tire etc. Sometimes it's a bit tricky and the window is narrow. The data shows that the car reacts in a logical way to adjustments, and it is already a lot better than end of last season. Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: MeXX on July 08, 2014, 09:09:01 am Yes, different link points (Instant Center) have been in the agenda. We might even test going back to where we were (from 11" IC to 10" IC). At the moment I believe it is a combination of things; clutch, track, shocks, springs, suspension geometry, launch rpm and boost, power curve, wheelie bars, weight distribution, tire etc. Sometimes it's a bit tricky and the window is narrow. The data shows that the car reacts in a logical way to adjustments, and it is already a lot better than end of last season. Jyrki Dear Jyrki I can feel what U mean! ::) It's always a combination of everything. I had to realize that the clutch is even more important than I thought before, and it took nearly a season to get a clutch that lasts and is smooth enough to make every launch the same. Then the adjustments got more comprehensible and more logic. Then it took many many runs but the ET came down. DoD MeXX Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jon on July 08, 2014, 12:59:17 pm If I remember correctly you have a better weight balance in your car than a typical vdub, meaning more weight on the front wheels and less on the rear. This should result in a different ideal angle to the ladder bar, I guess pointing "more down" in front.... I`m sure you have all this calculated and figured out, but wondering if you have tried a drastic change in the angle of the ladder bars just to see how it reacts? Yes, different link points (Instant Center) have been in the agenda. We might even test going back to where we were (from 11" IC to 10" IC). At the moment I believe it is a combination of things; clutch, track, shocks, springs, suspension geometry, launch rpm and boost, power curve, wheelie bars, weight distribution, tire etc. Sometimes it's a bit tricky and the window is narrow. The data shows that the car reacts in a logical way to adjustments, and it is already a lot better than end of last season. Jyrki At what height is your center of gravity? You seem to push way below CG judging from the build images. How high does the link points let you go? Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on July 21, 2014, 21:24:57 pm At what height is your center of gravity? You seem to push way below CG judging from the build images. How high does the link points let you go? CG height is a little higher than crankshaft centerline & chute anchor point; probably typical to other similar cars. The car is most definately more nose heavy than the peers. The highest link point is 11". If there was a higher point I would test it. I am not planning to go back to 10". Ladder bars are 34" long. Last Saturday I took the car to Alastaro (Ford Nationals). The track was not prepped since the big race two weeks earlier. With some minor adjustments to the car (raise rear supension, 17kg ballast off from the nose, some fine tuning to fuel maps) it did 1.40 60ft, 6.01 1/8 mile and 9.36/231 (pulled chute early). Still spinning, still same boost. Next pass the engine did not run 100% clean (most likely Hall sensor fault) and it did 9.56/233. Again we learnt something, but not much ;) [attachment=1] Next stop BRC Tierp ;D Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: TiDi on July 22, 2014, 10:54:06 am This is one of the best build lately!
LOVE this car! Great work! Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: reijo5 on July 22, 2014, 19:25:15 pm If you get frustrated ... just step back 10 paces and just look at it !!
its beautiful ;D ;) great car and great work ! Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on August 19, 2014, 19:02:08 pm Time for another report... a couple of races done again. First there was BRC at Tierp. After Ford Nats I barely touched the car; plan was to repeat what it did in Alastaro, but on a prepped track, hoping to improve et. Track was good, weather was excellent, event was really nice, but my car did not work. The clutch that had held fine decided not to hold at all, in any gear. Well, it held in the burnout, but slipped really bad in 1st, 2nd, 3rd... With my car it is too much work to do anything to the clutch at the track, so after three attempts I just parked it and enjoyed the event.
I think I saw this same movie last year, though back then it was the gas pedal :o Back at home, and based on the advice from Niklas, Johan and Ron, I added weight to the clutch and shimmed it differently. Next events were SCC and FHRA Finals at Motopark (the other real drag strip in Finland). I chose Motopark. It was not an easy decision not to join SCC this year... I did the trip with a trailer 6 years in a row and it was always a blast. But it's a long trip, and the weather forecast was not good. So I was off to Motopark, this time with Pekka helping at the track. Another nice track, and nice weather. Four passes Saturday and one Sunday. Finally the clutch was operating close to the way it was intended. Good news after the one-year-fight. Two of the passes were partly wasted because the clocks started before launch. Playing with launch rpm and boost we worked 60 ft down to 1.34sec, 1/8 mile to the 5s (5.96sec / 184km/h), and 1/4 to 9.35/231. Decent wheelie in 1st, too big wheelie in 2nd, and I ran against the llimiter for 0.3sec. My mistake - lost some time there, but not much. Back up pass was 9.42sec. I have ran out of adjustment in the rear suspension, but there is something I should be able to do over the winter. Also, the engine is not making more power if I raise boost from 1.3bar - I have to figure this out cause the car could handle more ;) (http://ammikanala.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Auto%20siell%C3%A4,%20toinen%20t%C3%A4%C3%A4ll%C3%A4/Blaklader%20Finals,%20part%20II/_MG_4428.JPG/_bigthumb.jpg) (http://ammikanala.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Auto%20siell%C3%A4,%20toinen%20t%C3%A4%C3%A4ll%C3%A4/Blaklader%20Finals,%20part%20II/_MG_4428.JPG) Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Shag55 on August 20, 2014, 18:06:10 pm Nice Jyrki! You are on track to plenty of 8sec passes.
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: henk on August 21, 2014, 16:48:10 pm Great looking car,it is a shame i haven't seen it at SCC.
Henk!!! Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on September 08, 2014, 20:16:25 pm Last report for this year:
After Motopark I found a clamp in the pipe from IC to throttle body leaking, and replaced it with some 3" silicone hose. Hoping it would make more power I made the trip to Pistonhead Finals at Kjula with my friend Jukka. We arrived Friday afternoon, took the car to tech inspection and got everything ready for Saturday. The Västerås guys arrived in the morning with some ice for the liquid IC. The first pass felt easy and nice. No drama from start to finish. The engine bogged down to 3400rpm at launch but still pulled 1.37 sec 60ft time. It ran 5.82/192.9 in the 1/8 mile and 9.09/239.8 in the 1/4. In the 2nd and 3rd passes the clutch started to get more and more agressive, and just spun the tires bad. 2nd pass 60ft was 1.52 and ran 6.00/193 in 1/8 and 9.27/240.4 in the 1/4. 3rd pass it was spinning like it was 2013 again >:( 1.74 60ft, yes that is correct :o Ran 9.71/229 putting it in neutral before finish line. The car behaves real nice at 240+ km/h (GPS showed peak 244) without any aero stuff :) Maybe it it is good to weight 940kg? I am very happy I made the trip to Kjula. Extremely nice event, nice people, friends, lots of nice cars from nostalgia blown methanol to 4wd turbos and a nice strip. I am also quite happy with the 9.09 and exceeding 240km/h. Of course it is not running as it shoud yet, but I have heard that it is not supposed to be easy ;D The ToDo-list for the off-season is done... Thanks Jukka, Johan, Fredde for the help at the track. See you in 2015, Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Frallan on September 09, 2014, 18:18:59 pm Love your car and your reporting just as much! Have a good winter and even better spring/race season 2015!
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Martin on September 09, 2014, 19:43:51 pm great report!
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on September 16, 2014, 08:52:23 am Sharing some great picture by a great photographer:
[attachment=1] [attachment=2] https://www.facebook.com/FastPhoto.se/photos/a.595350230574196.1073741836.579904592118760/595350340574185/?type=1&theater Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: kielbasa on January 11, 2015, 09:56:09 am This has been a great thread to read. Very cool car
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on September 01, 2015, 18:37:42 pm Been a while... maybe I didn’t write any reports untill now because the season was not easy.. Car was ready in the spring, and I took it for a test’n’tune in mid-May. With Tomi we drove 300km to Motopark; left very early in the morning and on the way it was close to zero Celcius. In Motopark it actually hailed, but in the afternoon the track was all good and we ran a pass. Clutch did not hold. Tried again with a different launch rpm & boost – no help :(
Next stop Pistonhead at Kjula Dragway, travelling this time with Kari. A really nice event, and it was good to see Stian, Johan & rest of Västerås gang. My new clutch & setup only held for a second pulling a wheelie and then let go :'( The hamburgers were excellent though ;D Then, with a new clutch setup, it was time to go to BRC Tierp. Our convoy consisted of Make’s cool turbo Superbeetle, Tomi’s uber-cool 240Z and my purpose built street car. Nice event, friends, Leif’s car making some serious passes, weather, and again really good hamburgers! I ran 3-4 passes, bogging on the line and finally breaking my Mendeola :-[ Best pass was 9.5/238 @1.3bar boost, bogging to 1700rpm which hurt the 60ft Even though I felt tired I took the engine & transmission out right after the trip and took the Mendy to Alhoracing, who had promised to fix it. He worked quite a few nightshifts, and made it all good again. All I did was to raise boost to ~1.55bar, and put the car back together. Before the FHRA Finals we tested that it works as it should at the familiar truck terminal, and then I registered to the race. Weather forecast was not accurate, and the rain that was supposed to be over by Friday morning lasted till afternoon. Then it was time… first pass was not successful (spun the tires, 1.40 60ft, then slipping) but looking at the data we though we knew what had gone wrong. Next pass with less rpm and less boost it bogged to 1300rpm, killed boost down to 0.6bar, then picking up again and pulling thru gears. Car went straight and pulled a 9.07 and 250 km/h. WOW :o with Stian’s old GT4294 it responded to higher boost ::) Next day first pass with more boost at launch it pulled 1.39 60ft, 9.011 and 251km/h. Close ??? I took some fuel out (it was rich) and on the fourth pass with even more boost at launch it pulled a wheelie, ran clean and effectively up to 1000ft, then misfired a little, I lifted and pulled the chute right after 1150ft. 1.35 60ft, 5.68 / >200km/h 1/8 mile, and 8.887 / 222 ¼ mile. 330ft, 660ft and 1000ft were really good. Pulling the chute early hurt the et by maybe 0.04sec, so it really doesn’t matter now. Mission accomplished: 8 >200 half way >250 full pass Thanks to everyone involved, specially Tomi & Kari! [attachment=1] Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: spoolin70 on September 01, 2015, 20:52:16 pm Congratulations Jyrki
Good to see your time and effort paying off with an 8 :) Cheers Darren Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Berger on September 01, 2015, 20:53:09 pm Congratulations Jyrki!! Finaly!! 8)
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Airspeed on September 01, 2015, 21:02:22 pm Really loved the write-up. Thanks for that!
Oh, wicked ET for a street car too! Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Zach Gomulka on September 01, 2015, 21:23:32 pm Wicked build. My favourite street/race car by far.
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: bedjo78 on September 02, 2015, 01:05:18 am Glad you got on 8 ..
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Nikke on September 02, 2015, 08:25:48 am Onneks olkoon,Jyrki... :D ;D
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: richie on September 02, 2015, 09:11:31 am Well done on the 8 8) Now you can turn it up? ;D I nominate Niklas for boost setting duty!!! :D
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: BeetleBug on September 02, 2015, 10:15:26 am I nominate Niklas for boost setting duty!!! :D Or Skinne :D :D Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: vwhelmot on September 02, 2015, 10:47:59 am Awesome, fantastic car
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Fiatdude on September 02, 2015, 14:53:07 pm Congratulations !!!! excellent effort
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Erlend / bug66 on September 02, 2015, 20:51:13 pm Damn! Could not happen fast enough ;D
I can't wait driving a 11sec in a street car. Then a 10sec.. But 8? That is never happening.. ::) Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on September 04, 2015, 08:08:32 am https://www.youtube.com/embed/FzfYiqNMAdc
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on June 02, 2016, 21:01:41 pm A couple of weeks ago I took the car to a test'n'tune in Alastaro. First 0.12sec after the launch was good, then it lost traction, I shifted to 2nd gear which broke immediately. Ooops.
Yesterday I received some pictures from 2015 8) [attachment=1] [attachment=2] Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: vwhelmot on June 03, 2016, 07:53:31 am Awesome Bug
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: thehanz DVK on June 03, 2016, 14:56:49 pm impressive car , good numbers
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jeff68 on June 03, 2016, 14:57:28 pm ^^^^^Those pictures are awesome! This is an incredible car! 8) Congratulations and fantastic design and work on your car. What a machine! Loved reading the thread more than once about how you developed this car.
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on September 28, 2016, 21:36:29 pm I guess it is time to continue the tradition and write the annual report ;D
After killing the Mendeola in May, I did not rush to make it to the next races in June. Not many races in July, so we aimed to make it to BRC Tierp. Kari fixed the transmission with a new mainshaft, and we tested that everything works driving around an industrial area – left some black marks there 8) Bug Run Classic at Tierp was a really nice event. Track was good, weather was good and you could make as many passes as you wanted to. Same old story for me… I had to figure out what the clutch was doing (something totally new). After some tests it started to work consistently, and we did some decent passes with low boost. Then on the 6th pass the clutch locked 0.3sec into the run and the car made a huge wheelie. It still ran 9.13sec @247. After the pass I was afraid that coming down from the huge wheelie could have damaged to front shocks or wheelie bar mounts, so I just parked the car. Thanks to Tomi and my younger son for the help (he is 7)! [attachment=1] We also had an issue with the trailer – the frame was broken. THANKS TO FREDDE & JOHAN for fabricating and delivering custom parts to fix it so we could make it back home safe!!!!!!!! At home I checked the car – all good except for the front apron that was damaged bad. So I made the decision to make the trip to SCC Gardermoen. Travelling with Jukka, we took the Åbo-Stockholm ferry that arrived 6:10 Friday morning… so we were at Gardermoen in late afternoon. The SCC crew had arranged perfect depot area next to Espen, so we were able to (once again) combine our infrastructure. Excellent chili con carne Friday evening. It was so good to see all the Norwegian good friends, not to mention our good British friends. The new track was a positive experience. It rained both nights, and the weather was really good during the days. In the previous years the water would have risen to the track from the ground, but not anymore - track was safe. Also the shutdown area was really good; on one pass the chute dropped under wheelie bars, but there was plenty of room to stop the car (speed was over 250km/h). Car was spinning the tires in 1st and 2nd, and I was using the width of the track ;) but it still felt it was under control, so during Saturday I worked the et down to 9.03sec. For Sunday we decided to try new launch tactics. It worked, but we ran out of time to make all the tests. Racing was open to 17:00,and my last pass was 17:00.22 ;) https://youtu.be/DQp6-IwsOhM Back home I checked the car, made some adjustments and test fired the engine. It dropped little oil under bellhousing. Flywheel seal >:( I am glad it happened after SCC, not at SCC… btw it was the original seal from the 90s ::) I had a day off so I took the engine out and apart. Looked good, except for the seal. Afterwards I learnt that there would be one more race at Kjula… had I not taken it apart I could have swapped the seal and make one more attempt. Well, even though I did not achieve any new records this season, I still feel it was good. BRC and SCC, several very low 9s, and the rush of pulling the chute at over 250km/h. Goals for 2017: consistent passes, quicker et’s, what else? [attachment=2] Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: LGK on September 29, 2016, 01:25:28 am Nice report Jyrki thanks .
You're a real dedicated man chasing his target ;) Good luck! steve Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: alex d on September 29, 2016, 10:17:41 am those are really impressive times....but coming from such a nice car makes it even better, keep it up!
Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: Jyrki on September 29, 2016, 10:41:22 am Nice report Jyrki thanks . You're a real dedicated man chasing his target ;) Good luck! steve Thanks.Well the (original) targets for the car were achieved last year :P so now it is just pure fun ;D Jyrki Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: BeetleBug on September 29, 2016, 10:43:10 am so now it is just pure fun ;D Jyrki Thats usually when the ET starts to improve :) Title: Re: A purpose built street car Post by: nicolas on September 29, 2016, 18:22:19 pm so now it is just pure fun ;D Jyrki Thats usually when the ET starts to improve :) THAT is so true, but such a long road to get to. Jyrki, very impressive and great to read up on what it takes to make it happen. |