Title: your motor: how when and why? Post by: Jim Ratto on February 20, 2007, 23:51:48 pm Kind of influenced by SOB's post...... ::)
The motor or motors in your hot-rod Volkswagen....how did you come upon the combination (s), when did it get screwed together, and why did you build it? (racing, keep up with traffic, keep up with your buddies....etc?) Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: Zach Gomulka on February 21, 2007, 03:59:43 am I first built my 1600 because the top end rebuild/upgrade on my single port didnt take, I was pulling headstuds! So my dad offered me a well seasoned DPR case (.060" line bore!), and we "screwed" it together with a 110 cam, dual ports and crappy old dual single barrel carbs from Claudes Buggies. It ran a 18.78 first time out, and I was hooked!!! Over the next three years of tuning the drivetrain and the car, I whittled that down to a 14.87 :) Still 1600cc.
My 1776 for my Fastback was better thought out. Concieved originally as a 1600, my only rule was that it must retain stock heater boxes! I thought that would help keep the engine mild and the cost down. It became a 1776 when my dad offered a spare set of 90.5's. It became a very expensive engine when I added straight cut gears, 1.4 rockers, ported stock valve heads, Berg 42's, and powdercoated and ceramic coated everything in sight!! And would you know it, the heaterboxes were dumped after a few short months for j-tubes ::) The next 1835 will be a work of art! ;) Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: sheep on February 21, 2007, 04:20:46 am All of my motors have been sweep the floor motors from Jim Rattos garage.
My favorite of course was the 1914 that turned out to be way faster than we expected. the case came out of his 1971 bus. I dont remember what the crank came out of,but I think it was a Rimco as well as the rods. I actually bought the cam new. It was an engle k8. I used an old crown aluminum 6 lb flywheel. I picked up a set of 48 idas from some guy up near San Fransisco for about $400 bucks. That was by far the most expensive item, and man that was alot of money for me back then.I am pretty sure everything else was used from Jims floor, including a pair of Pauter Machine ported heads. This combo revd well past 8 grand, and blew us all away on how smooth it ran.We raced the crap out of it and the only car I ever lost a race to was Jim in his real expensive 2275. LOL ;D Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: SOB/RFH on February 21, 2007, 20:21:48 pm I do have motor in my car...it is a type 4....so I will probably start something about heavy boat anchors and tuna boats etc.....but if you, like me, thinks out of the box.....here is the game plan. My first car was a Volkswagen with a few engines in it and then I basicly got to a street race set up 69 Chevelle with big Block, Nitrous, 10" converter, 4,56 rear end and 12" slicks.........Perfect daily driver!! So when I got back in to Volkswagens I was thinking the same way as i did with the Chevelle....big Block as in type 4 and Nitrous and HD drivetrain like a Bus gearbox (091) back in 1990.....So after a few years with a 2 litre mild engine with a 120 HP shot of N2O I steppped up to a 78*103 (that is 4.055" for all the 4" guys) and thats 2600 cc of big block engine, not with a revvy high tension camshaft but a low rpm mule cam and all topped with a 75 HP shot of N2O.......It all went 11,89 in full street trim back in 1993...........I sort of stuck with the combo but left the nitrous out becuse it would require a rollbar in the car to be leagal and roll bars don't fit in to the sleeper look I wanted!! 8)
Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: Jordy/DVK on February 21, 2007, 20:31:56 pm All of my motors have been sweep the floor motors from Jim Rattos garage. My favorite of course was the 1914 that turned out to be way faster than we expected. Zach, is that the engine you gave me the specs of? Sounds great fun for value... ;D Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: Zach Gomulka on February 22, 2007, 03:52:39 am All of my motors have been sweep the floor motors from Jim Rattos garage. My favorite of course was the 1914 that turned out to be way faster than we expected. Zach, is that the engine you gave me the specs of? Sounds great fun for value... ;D The 1915 is in my friend Chris' 67. I dont believe I have ever met Sheep yet... Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: Rick Meredith on February 25, 2007, 03:48:31 am All of my motors have been sweep the floor motors from Jim Rattos garage. My favorite of course was the 1914 that turned out to be way faster than we expected. Zach, is that the engine you gave me the specs of? Sounds great fun for value... ;D The 1915 is in my friend Chris' 67. I dont believe I have ever met Sheep yet... Yeah, we took sheep's motor out of his Bug and detuned it and put it in the '65 Bus that was in our club. In 1 week the guy had chopped the trans case in two. Was there a picture of that in the stack that you gave me to scan? I ran across it and wondered what happened. Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: cedorUSA on February 25, 2007, 08:45:27 am maybe time for sheep and his honey bee to say hello to some new parts insted of begging for handme downs. im worried about a guy named sheep that drive a honey bee. he prolly didnt have idas. he prolly never had the bug. to busy being a busy bee or a begging sheep
you run street eliminater heads and it will be all good. even dollorto would be beeter than begging for JR's junk on trash day C Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: cedorUSA on February 25, 2007, 09:10:31 am 69m forged scat crank
87 sima pistons mickey tompsen race rods flow factor street emlimnater heads big valved angle 110 cam and of course idas turn the key and wheelies are instent was built for raceing and was in race bug for 5 years until it was outlawed. now in my very fine 69 ready to kick ass and take names. whos gonna go first? Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: j-f on February 25, 2007, 15:04:24 pm I'm building my first "hot" engine. An impressive 1600cc :D :D :D Why a 1600? Its the very first time I build an engine. So I will keep the maximum of vw parts and don't make machining to keep a low cost and an easy to make engine.
Stock vw crankshaft but balanced with flywheel and the clutch. 8 dowels and the Flywheel was reduced of 500G. I've also take time to put rods (311B) at the same weight. I've had problem to find pistons that make the same weight. I had a brand new set of "brazilian" Mahle wich was blue printed but with 15g of difference between the heavier and the lighter piston ??? I finally exchange the new against a set of used Germany Mahle. All problems I had was the poor quality of some parts :-\ A traditional Engle 110. Kadrons carb. Venturis will be machined at 32mm. Modification of the aircleaner support like low bugget make. Dual port VW heads. Ported manifolds and polished. That's the first time I do this. God, it take a lots of time to do and it's not very necessary on a such motor, but why not :o HD springs and rocker shaft. 1 1/2 Merged exhaust. Dual T-bird. Hope it will work correctly :) I'm wonder how fast I'll could go with this engine? Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: Shubee2 (DSK) on February 25, 2007, 15:42:17 pm 69m forged scat crank WOW!!! I Dont Think Anyone in here Stands A Chance Against Your Killer 69 I Would Like To See Some Photo's Of Your Ride And Motor It Just Sounds SO Neat?? LMAO But I Would Like To See the That Killer Motor you Listed Above 87 sima pistons mickey tompsen race rods flow factor street emlimnater heads big valved angle 110 cam and of course idas turn the key and wheelies are instent was built for raceing and was in race bug for 5 years until it was outlawed. now in my very fine 69 ready to kick ass and take names. whos gonna go first? 69m forged scat crank 87 sima pistons mickey tompsen race rods flow factor street emlimnater heads big valved angle 110 cam and of course idas turn the key and wheelies are instent was built for raceing and was in race bug for 5 years until it was outlawed. now in my very fine 69 ready to kick ass and take names. whos gonna go first? Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: sheep on February 25, 2007, 18:41:21 pm Maybe cedorUSA should sale his bug and buy a speak n spell, hahhaha ;D
Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: Roman on February 25, 2007, 18:49:01 pm The current engine/tranny combo I am is based on the two engines and trannies I built the previous two years.
My 2332 was more or less a carbon copy of the SSB engine. I ran it for a month or so but the trans kept kicking out the gears so there was no way I could drag race it. I felt I needed more HP and a more dependable tranny so I called JPM and asked about some porting work. I was hooked!!! Three weeks later I had a pair of ported Wedgeports with 46 mm intake valves. The rest of the engine was updated as well, all that remained from the 2332 was the sump and the distributor. The new engine was a 2387 with all the fancy stuff but still very streetable. I ordered a new trans from KCR to replace the broken one as well. At the end of the summer I started to get used to the power and the calculator said I had reached the limit for the car. In theory it would go 11.37 with 1700 lbs and 228 hp and I went 11.29. So, for the third year in a row I am building a new engine/tranny combo. The first time we discussed it was while we had a couple of beers at SCC. Would it be possible to go 10.50 with a pump gas street car? What would it need? It all came clear during dyno day at JPM. A couple of days before he had told me he had a prototype 4" head and it flowed 276 cfm with a 50 mm intake after only three hours of R/D. I was hooked at that moment... The thoughts in my mind where spinning, add a couple of hours of R/D, slightly bigger valves and... In a few weeks the new heads will be on my shop table. Just like before I kept my old distributor and sump and everything else is new. 4" bore and 86 mm stroke, flat tappet cam, pump gas and 58 mm terminators. Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: Steve D. on February 25, 2007, 19:38:27 pm I built mine to be a haul ass daily driver with a tall gearbox in a heavy '69. I've put over forty thousand miles on it since I built it four years ago and has been nothing but beautiful. 2276 FK45 Performance Workshop 42x37 non-welded heads 9.5cr in a heavy late model with a 4.12- 3.78 2.06 1.26 0.82 = 8.22 1/8mile on a 205/65 $50 Falken RADIAL.
Seems to work for me. Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: ESH on February 26, 2007, 21:54:38 pm I need my motor to be a daily spec but want to get as much kick as I can on the strip so it's a lazy 2332. Last year it was torn down simply to see how it was going and in the process a couple of components got switched over since it was all out. At the point it was stripped it had over 30k (miles) on it and all looked lovely so I guess I'll leave it a few more miles this time round. It's done 13.56 @ 100 on three gears (on a bolt up and go tune) and takes me any place I wan't to go so I'm pretty happy with it. Horsepower courtesy of friends. This year we may actually put a tune into to it and see what it'll do with that.
:) Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: Tim C on February 27, 2007, 11:11:30 am I wanted a big motor for some time, but wanted drivability/reliability and the ability to cruise as much as rip of the line. I was told of a good used 2165cc motor that had a good spec for sale and went ahead and bought it (86C, Street Eliminator heads, 44’s etc…), the engine had already been in one of Paul Hamilton’s race cars (ran a low 13) and in my car it has run a 14.2 @ 94 hooked up to a Rancho Pro Street trans (3.78/2.06/1.26 and tall 0.82), it will cruise all day at 80+ mph without overheating and in my procession has covered nearly 16,000 miles in 2 years. The motor has been great, been over to DDD in Germany twice and in 2005 took me to DDD3 and home, then back over the following week to Spa and back (some 1,300 miles in a week) and didn’t miss a beat. I put it down to being well maintained/looked after by Pete at Funkenblitz and cannot thank him enough for putting it all together and keeping it together.
Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: Sarge on February 27, 2007, 17:29:14 pm I built my current 2017 in 2000 and have maybe 16,000 miles with no problems. It was built with reliability in mind as the crank is a bit of an antique (Tony Mance welded 78.4) that was gifted to me by Doug Mische. I selected an Engle 125 cam as it's the one I based a lot of my prior motors on and it has always served me well. The heads were ported by Fumio Fukaya and use 40X35.5 valves and dual springs...rockers are 1.1:1 with OEM 911 swivel feet adjusters. The 48IDA's came courtesy of Ron Fleming who salvaged them off an alchohol burning sand rail (every jet, tube and orfice had to be replaced...all had been bored out to the max for alchohol) and use 40mm venturies. My plan is to build a 2332 / K8 combo this year...we'll see what happens.
Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: Type1/DVK on February 27, 2007, 22:01:38 pm wow, nice lineup!
Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: sheep on February 28, 2007, 00:55:17 am Jim R you better make that one to two weeks, you got to get going on my motor buddy ;D
Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: Sarge on February 28, 2007, 01:15:22 am Jim R you better make that one to two weeks, you got to get going on my motor buddy ;D Hey Sheep...I think Jim started this thread just to wind your clock! A guy who's had as many cool motors as he's had would surely be able to get your 1700 done right away, ya THINK??? ::) ;D Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: sheep on February 28, 2007, 01:41:11 am Hey Jim, Sarge is right , put down the beer or lipstick or what ever you do at night and pick up a wrench.You need to finish my motor ;D
Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: Sarge on February 28, 2007, 01:51:03 am Hey Jim, Sarge is right , put down the beer or lipstick or what ever you do at night and pick up a wrench.You need to finish my motor ;D Hey, you never mentioned Jim doing a "tranny", too :o ;D Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: Cheesepanzer on February 28, 2007, 03:04:13 am Before I had my license to drive a friend of my brother came by with a '68 sedan with a brand spanking new 1776cc in it. He poped the decklid and I was in awe. Dual 44 IDF's, an original Fourtuned Merged exhaust with dual quiet packs tucked up under the fenders. Man, I thought it was so cool! 8) When he left he reved the snot out of it and laid down a patch of skids that absolutely got me hooked!!! ;D
My first performance engine: 1641cc Eagle cam 280x.421 My own ported stock-valved dual ports with HD single springs and inner dampners Kadrons (later swapped out for 48 IDA's with 32mm venturis) I later built a gearbox for the car (a '70 Beetle) with 4.125 R&P, stock 1st/2nd, 1.48 3rd, 1.125 4th. I ran 14.78 with this combo. Engine #2 Drinking the Gene Berg Koolaid... 82x90.5 2110cc, Genuine Porsche 912 rods 5.32 length Used 90.5 A pistons clearanced on the bottom to clear the crankshaft. Welded 44x37.5 heads. 10 to 1 compression (broke the rules here! ;D) Engle 140 cam IDA's and a Berg Stinger Ignition system Berg/Phoenix 1 5/8 merged I strayed from the Berg Koolaid further, and changed the cam to an FK89 (this was a daily driven 365-day driver), and later still upgraded to 94mm pistons. Several engines later.... I run a nice street 2054cc engine in Ghia now, and I'm assembling a 2332cc mill for it soon. Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: Harry/FDK on March 10, 2007, 20:42:03 pm Hi Jim, i would like your opinion on the fact that you switched fron Denham to Heads Up Heads. Are you satisfied on the Heads Up work ? I'm running a pair of Stateside Tuning UK messed up 044's. Pls let me know.
Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: Chuck Fryer on March 11, 2007, 15:12:46 pm Years ago I started out with some prety typical engines, 1776, 110 cam, dual 30 carbs in a notchback. That was a great running engine. Next was an 1835 in a 54 t-1 that necer ran right. On to the engines for my ragtop. In 2000 I wanted more than the 40hp engine was giving me and was going to replicate the 1776 of years past. Well, one thing led to another and I ended up with a 2007
78x90.5 scat C-45 cam Headflow master 40 x 37 heads 8.5:1 cr 1-1/2 bas header This engine ran smooth and made cross country drives with easy, 5000+ miles at a time. But the flywheel cam loose and took out the crank and flywheel so on to the next one. 2110 82 demello 6 circle crank with the old 90.5's from the old engine engle FK-8 cam same heads 9:1 CR, if I rememeber that right? 1-5/8 header, single muffler Ran good and with stock gears went 13.50's But I needed more and went ... 2276 Same crank, add 94's but........ They were the super squish pistons web 86b cam 13:1 cr I had a hard time with this combo, just never got it right. It did run 12.70's, but made some very bad noises! On to the next one 2276 CB wedgeport heads fk-87 cam 11:1 c This went 11.80's And then Sent the crank to dms and had it cut for chevy journals and 84 stroke. 2332 CB 2296 cam 13:1 cr 1-7/8 header yep, pretty much a race engine. For my street car project I plan a much more drivable combo 2276 wedgeports fk-8 1-3/4 header 10:1 cr should be a solid 200hp engine and very streetable. MAJOR power difference!!! Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: Lids on March 11, 2007, 15:30:26 pm My first engine was a stock 1600 rebuild, that only had new bearings, when it actually needed a regrind and line bore. Well a few thousand miles later, bang at 80mph.
Built my second proper engine, still a 1600 but done properly with an Engle 110, ported and polished stock heads, 34pict carb. Ran this for 3 years doing 300-350 miles per week. In the end decided that driving a beetle in the winter with no heat exchangers was not pleasant, so decided upon the current engine. its a 1914 with Engle 120, running 9:1 CR and 44 x 37 wedgeport heads. Fully match ported to twin 40 dells. Have run this for about 5 years, before I upgraded to 48 IDA's. A good strong motor, so good in fact that the missus is too scared to get in the car. Sat in my front room are all the parts for a new 2274 running 86c, with the same heads that I have on the 1914. It has Oberg oil filter, will use MSD ignition etc and 10:1 CR, should be good for 200bhp, may change my mind and run 2332 with 5700 rods. Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: Zach Gomulka on March 11, 2007, 17:44:33 pm 2276 Same crank, add 94's but........ They were the super squish pistons web 86b cam 13:1 cr I had a hard time with this combo, just never got it right. It did run 12.70's, but made some very bad noises! I remember hearing that motor when you took it over for the Classic weekend a few years ago. I dont know if it was the pistons, but that thing just didnt sound right. Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: Chuck Fryer on March 11, 2007, 19:30:37 pm I remember hearing that motor when you took it over for the Classic weekend a few years ago. I dont know if it was the pistons, but that thing just didnt sound right. [/quote] It sounded like someone dropped bb's down the intakes, it just NEVER ran like it should have! I am not sure if I messed up on the heads fitting the special shape piston in or what. Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: Frank LUX on March 12, 2007, 14:26:30 pm I wanted Horsepower for my Bug, that's why the Big Motors... ;)
The First one: 2180cc Okrasa 82mm Crank 5.352 Carrillo Rods Engle FK-10 Autocraft 1.4 Rockers Ex-Stephan Szantai Heads 40x35.5 92mm P/c with Total Seals 48 IDA's 10.5CR A-1 1 5/8 Header... etc... Motor was super Smooth, best ET was 13.00... 2276cc Okrasa 82mm Crank 5.352 Carrillo Rods 40Gr Lifters... Pauter 1.4 Rockers Web 251 Cam Racing Heads by Steve's VW Shop, Welded and Heavily Ported 044 Maganums 44x37.5 94mm P/Cs with Total Seal rings 12.5CR 48IDA's A-1 1 3/4 Header with 3' Muffler Etc... Motor was really strong, but i missed a shift and one of the Rather Fragile Lifters Broke... The New 2276cc In Da Works... Okrasa 82mm Crank Carrillo 5.500 Rods Custom Grind Web Cam for Nitrous Applications Pauter 1.4 Rockers Udo Becker 60Gr Lifters, best Lifters in Da World!!! Racing Heads by Steve's VW Shop, modified for Nitrous, 44x37.5, Special Racing Spring... 48 IDA's om Welded Skat Traks Nitrous Sportsman Fogger System MSD 6Al, Multi Step Retard, MSD Billet Distributor, Blaster Coil... A-1 1 3/4 Exhaust with 3' Muffler 10.5CR... Can Wait to get it Back from Steve's... Frank Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: rebel on March 20, 2007, 21:19:28 pm Hi, dudes :)
First thing I gotta mention, that I'm kinda new here. Another thing is that hot bugs and california look is not a big tradition in a place whwrea I live. To be honset fast bugs are just starting to come out of shade. My first engine was a 1300 AB ( as I thought then - it turned out to be a 1300 F with fake numbers :/ ) With 1600 (1585) cyliders and singleport heads ( kinda stock) the rest was stock. When I sterted to be interested with somthing more than stock I was thinking of somthing like a 1300 AB on DRLAs or 1600 with bigger cam, but I finally decided to collect parts for longer time ad come up with something more serious. Finally Chris Burns from UK designed me a combo like this: AB Case drilled for 94mm barrels Pistons/cylinders Mahle 94mm Crankshaft - Stock 1600 Heads: VW reworked for 40x37,5 Scat C35 cam 1.1:1 rockers ( for now) 1 5/8 merged Header witth ceramic SQP DRLAs 40 KEP stage 1 Pressure Plate, stoch disk + a stock superbeetle IRS 'box. Runs nice, but last summer was really hot And it was runnig a lil' to hot. besides it killed 2 stoch fuel pumps causin hell lotta trouble with fuel down the case :( Now I thinkig it over again before the season. I can see that a full flow is a Must. Stock Rods will be replaced for Scat I-beams... Dunno what more... Maybe an external oil cooler... I'm dramatically inexpirienced ina the subject, so hope You won't ban me for constant asking questions :) Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: autobarnhauler on March 20, 2007, 21:41:22 pm my just finished 22.76cc. in a 66 bus, with a cogbox built gearbox. irs rear with home made 3rd gearbox mount, willwood discs.
build the engine myself arfter 2 years of collecting parts, it rocks!.why? cos i love fast old vws, thay are cool :o :o :o and when i go camping i can sleep in it :) (http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h11/autobarnhauler/22-8.jpg) (http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h11/autobarnhauler/22-4.jpg) Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: Jim Ratto on July 20, 2015, 23:49:31 pm Wow this is an old post, but I felt it was probably time to dig it up and get more to contribute. Man since this was posted I think I've built 4 motors for my car, maybe more.
Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: Fiatdude on July 21, 2015, 07:30:33 am my current boat anchor -- --
Bought it off a sand drag guy in '08 -- It was installed in a mid-engine dune buggy which was in the top of a Quonset hut building in San Bernardino -- -- When we pulled the engine out of the buggy, the KEP Stage 2 clutch had a date stamped on it "1987"........ It has a ARPM case, Siamese Barrels, and the original angle port heads 48x38 -- a very early Pauter 90mm crank and it now has some JE 4.030" dish pistons and some cam that Mario at Pauter said I needed to be running -- size 2989 -- Oh, it's turbocharged too -- Wish it would get out of it's own way LOL Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: modnrod on July 21, 2015, 14:42:42 pm My engine combo has changed about 3 or 4 times in as many months I rekn.
A little baby snappy 1600 is WAY better than still waiting for the 76 x 92 Oxyboxer I haven't even started on, or the ideal 78.4 crank x something that is just taking forever I think. F@kkit, why not hey? ;) Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: Zach Gomulka on July 22, 2015, 00:53:55 am I forgot about this topic!
The engine I built for my old GTV a few years ago got pretty out of hand ::) It started out in my head as a top end rebuild with slip in 88's, a little headwork, and original EMPI 1.4:1 rockers. The thought was "what would a guy on a budget in So Cal back in the 70's do?" I ended up opening the case and having DPR counterweight and 8 dowel the original crank, lighten the flywheel, I "ported" the case, SLR stock grind cam (and he refurbed my OG lifters), NOS EMPI cam gear, EMPI mag sump, Kennedy stage 1 aluminium PP, and an EMPI filter/pump (blueprinted). Then I got around to the top end "rebuild"... I bought another set of machine in 88's and had the bases turned down to fit in the stock case, I dropped the original heads off to Steve Tims to have them worked over (stock valve, ported, step removed, etc.) and matched to a pair of EMPI globe Solex 40 PII manifolds. Split shaft Solex carbs converted to solid shaft. EMPI 1.4 rockers. Compression landed at 8.6:1. Hooked it all up to a EMPI 4 bolt header and remade (improved) glasspack muffler. F**k me that engine was expensive! It did do everything I ever hoped it would though, idled smooth, revved quickly, sounded fantastic, ran very strong (and cool!) and returned great mileage. Next engine will be a boring 2332 torque engine. Web 218, 5.325 rods, Tims stage 1 heads, 40 Dell's, 9ish:1, custom 1 1/2" exhaust. Not going over the top this time! Knock on wood! Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: modnrod on July 22, 2015, 02:46:46 am That engine in a little Beetle will be like driving a 440 4-speed in a Dart.
Very cool. 8) Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: Catbox on July 28, 2015, 22:17:50 pm My first VW engine build is a 2332.
I found a smoking deal on a feller that was upgrading his sand rail to a twin turbo LS engine. I bought $1,500 worth of parts from him and sold what I did not want for $1,200. (I kept the case, crank, rods, pistons, and Dell 45's... ;D ) I have been collecting parts and pieces for what seem to be years now. It has even been close as an assembled short block. But it was pulled apart and the case sold to my good buddy that blew a giant hole his race car engine. It went this way as my bug was totaled by insurance and I can no longer get full coverage on it. So I went and bought a fun '70 Squareback to put this into for daily driver fun. It is.... Scat forged 84mm crank Scat 5.5" H beam rods Engle FK-8 cam Mahle 94mm pistons Revmaster 94mm long barrels Steve Tim's Stage 2 heads It will be assembled with between .040 and .050 deck height and 9.5:1 or so compression I have a set of Dellorto 45's for it, I just need to pick up the CB manifold kit for it and have the intakes matched to the heads. If I had it to do over again I would have gone with a 78mm or 82mm crank and kept everything else virtually the same. I think it would have gone together a bit easier and produced plenty of power. But then I would not get to tell people that it is a 2332, now would I? Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: pupjoint on July 29, 2015, 04:12:03 am current motor is a low mileage hand me down 2027 Scat long block. got it from a friend who was upgrading. he bought new from Scat and used for 8 months?
weird combo. 90.5 forged Mahles, Scat CAST Volkstroker3 78.8 crank, Scat Chromoly I Beams, New Mg case AS41, STD STD Metal Leve mains and rod bearings, Mahle cam bearings, C35 cam, straight cut gears, Scat lifters, 12lbs Chromoly flywheel, Scat 40x35.5, dual springs, heads UNported, 30mm Berg pump, Berg relief cover, System 1 filter, Setrab cooler, CR 10.1 Wasp 1 header and home made muffler. currently on EFI 45mm throttle bodies. dynoyed at a pathetic 67whp, out of steam at 5k rpm, kinda expected. (http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee440/pupjoint4/2332cc/image2_zpsm8k6ogts.jpg) (http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee440/pupjoint4/2332cc/image2_zps2a1c197a.jpg) motor is down now. will be doing the following 1. open motor and check case condition. perform minor Berg case conversion mods and possibly Hoover oiling mods. 2. replace crank and rods with Scat82 and 5.4 H beam rods 3. Main bearings will be steel backed KS treated by WPC treatment 4. rod , cam bearings and oil pump also WPC treated. 5. reuse the 90.5 Mahles, new Deves rings 6. JPM cam/lifters on CB straight cuts 7. Steve Tims Stage 2 heads 42x37.5 matched ported Bugpack straight manifolds 8. 10lbs flywheel by DPR 9. Berg Archiever pulley modified for crank trigger. 10. Berg pulley and flywheel nuts. 11. CR will be 10.1 and RON97 pump fuel 12. stock doghouse oil cooler, additional Setrab single oil cooler, controlled by Mocal thermostat sandwich and Setrab 180F fan switch. hope the motor will turn out good. mainly street use in tropical weather. Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: Peter on July 29, 2015, 11:18:07 am my motor:
started as: 1) 2276 cc, cb wedgeports, 86c, 9.4 CR, EFI: got tired of it, didnt drive well anymore: cam went flat 2) same block; new pistons,lowerd CR, FK 8, turbo, homemade headers, new EFI: cracked the cylinders from too much advance and the fact i didnt know what i was doing :D 3) got tired of the EFI and bought some IDA's 4) rebuilt the engine this winter again with MS230, FK89, higher CR again. Now in the process of tuning this thing... I dont know shit about carbs so it takes some time to get it right. they say carbs are easy to adjust...I think it was simpler for me with some laptop next to me... back to square one? :) Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: Jeff68 on July 29, 2015, 14:56:32 pm Great topic.....This engine is in my 68 Bug that I've had since 1993 (Has it been that long?) Started out with a mostly stock 1600 with Berg mildly stock valve heads, 009 distributor, 1 3/8 extractor, stock 34 Pict carburetor. Current engine built in 2010 is a 2110. I tried to replicate the engine that Gary Berg had in his '67 12 second street car. It took me 7 years to collect the parts for this engine, buying Berg parts off the samba, ebay and where ever I could find them! Most All parts are Berg: 8 doweled Swedish 82 mm crank with flywheel, Berg /Carrillo Porsche length rods, stage one Kennedy pressure plate - solid center disk, equalizer pulley, Berg special 90.5 piston and cylinder set with clearanced pistons and total seal second ring, clearanced, full flowed, bored VW mag case, Berg K10 cam, stock berg modified lifters - straight cut gears, chrome moly push rods, Berg ported 42 X 37.5 870 style CB 044 heads, dual springs, Berg 1.45:1 rockers, 8.5:1 CR, full flowed 26mm oil pump, jaycee filter, ACE prepped 48 IDA's, Berg tall manifolds, stock fuel pump, Berg IDA linkage, Berg 1 5/8 933s Header with Phat Boy muffler (if anyone has a Berg merged dual quiet pack for sale PLEASE let me know LMAO), Stinger S4 ignition, VW type 181 shroud.... Even with the compression set lower that most people say I should have it, it runs strong in traffic, but pulls hard from 2000 rpm to 7600 rpm. I don't consider it a slug at all. Stock geared transmission and I'm not certain the R&P or gear ratios....
I wanted to be able to drive my car anywhere and eventually drag race it. I've street driven it for 2 years this way, highway trips (200 miles) never any issues or overheating. Great street engine, lots of fun and feels pretty fast to me. I don't know how fast or slow it is as I've never taken it to the drag strip, just some stop light races here and there (stupid!). I really want to update the engine with mods to carburetors (profiled shafts etc) Bigger velocity stacks, more head work, raise compression, maybe go to 94mm pistons, update transmission to optimize gear ratios, and drag race it. I'd love to try the JPM heads and raptor cam, and a step header then see what it makes for power. I think I'm at the point with it that I wouldn't mind making it more race than street now. My wife wants to get a bus now and I've collected some parts (mostly Berg again) to build a really nice 1776 for the bus. Just need $$$ and time now! Don't have either at the moment :) Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: DWL_Puavo on July 30, 2015, 14:27:13 pm My first -68 beetle:
1) 1300 sp stock (stripped for parts) 2) 1687 dp single progressive (stripped for parts) 3) 2074, dual dells, 041 heads, W110, CR 8,5:1, then stripped for parts, this finally wasn't that good a combo. This developement took a few years - almost every summer it had to be more powerful. Some minor tweaking in between. Race engine first for -69 beetle, then to our race car, and in between has been userd for T2 bus, -62 bug. 1) 2272 mahle pistons, CB race crank, CB race rods, W120, CR 8,2:1, 041 heads from the former engine. This has been rebuilt a few times: 2) 2272 dual 40 dells, , W120, CR 8,5:1, ported 044 heads 3) 2272 dual 45 dells, 044, W120, upped CR 9:1, MSD ignition 4) Rebuilt with W130, CR 10:1, MSD, bigger exhaust etc. 5) Fully rebuilt again after broken exhaust valve: full head repair, wiseco pistons, Webcam 86c, CR ~10:1, CB ultralight lifters, dual 45 dells etc etc. 6) Fully rebuilt again after cracked case, now for turbo use: CB alu case, TCS-10, CR 8:1 etc. Currently been driven with different carbs, turbo and EFI in making for three years now... T2 bay engines: 1) 1641 dp dual dells with w100. Very good 78hp street engine. This is currently not in use even if it's missing only a few parts. 2) 1955 dp dual dells with w100 (bay doppelkabiner). This is also a very good, very streetable and reliable engine. Puavo / DWL Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: max, Der Bahnstormerz on August 01, 2015, 01:17:46 am Going to build a fresh motor for the '65 next year;
Still a 2332cc 84 x 94 5.500 rods 46 x 40 comp eliminators, ported by myself EFI and some other goodies. CR approx - what ever it works out to be with a tight deck. IgnitIon and cam will be dependant on this. Anyway the aim, as always, is a streetable motor. Not after any numbers with this one. Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: TexasTom on August 24, 2015, 03:51:29 am Cool topic!
I sold the original engine from my '67 to build my first stroker simply because I found a 'good deal' for a cast 82 crank and a set of original Porsche rods, this was back in 1991. I called up Pauter and purchased a clearanced and full-flowed case ... it was used to begin with, but didn't have the funds for new! The heads were ordered from Fumio Fukaya, non-welded 40X35.5 ported heads matched to an Engle 125. I also found a deal on some good used Berg 42DCNFs ... they used to list various items for sale on the back page of the price-list flier and I saw them there, purchased thru Gene himself. Also got most of the valvetrain parts needed from them. The header was an old 4-Tuned unit I bought from my brother and all the rest was pretty much scrounged from our used parts at the shop or from swap meets. It came together pretty well for my first stroker. I think the compression was in the 8:1 range. I had already started racing the car both at the strip and at local auto-crosses. Now THAT was FUN! Everybody got a kick out of seeing the car burning around the couse lighting up the tires ... A couple years later I saw a listing in the Overland Parts flier and picked up the Okrasa 82 forged crank from them. Naturally a rebuild ensued. I sent the heads back to Fumio for more work, but kept the same valves. I also took the opportunity to change the cam to an FK-87! Compression was set to a reasonable 8.7:1. I was really proud to have that Okrasa spinning in there! The following year I was really itching for more power. The car was running consistently in the 13.3 range and so now I wanted 12s. I used my brother's 48IDAs that had been dormant for a while and sent the heads back again to Fumio for MORE work. This was the push needed ... 12.97 against a gold GTO. A couple more years and I purchased my current '69 from my brother in 1993. The car that started it all for us! He was the 2nd owner since '71. So with this car came the engine he had built to go to the drags with ... I wanted to go faster at the track so I swapped engines between the cars and now the 2110 was in Warp and his 2007 in the '67 for racing only. After an unfortunate incident in the rain while on DOT tires that included three flat spins and concluded with an abrupt and quick conversation with some armco on the highway, Warp was back in the shop for a complete teardown! This was late in 1994. Body repairs and new paint were just the beginning ... the rebuild also included a Berg 5 speed built by Dave Folts and a complete teardown on the engine. I upgraded the rods to Carrillos (Porsche length), changed the case for new which I machined completely myself, swapped to 94mm cylinders, changed the cam to A Web 86c, and sent the heads back to Fumio once again for more work ... welding was required to add strength back into the castings for the larger cylinders and more port work, valves remained the same at 42X37. The last mods I made to the engine were for the Unlimited Street meet here a few years ago. Once I decided to attend I pulled the engine and flycut the heads to get the compression up! Raised it to 10.55 with a 49cc chamber. Ran my current best time at that event at 12.59. As for the present, the engine is in pieces. The engine began to seemingly breathe oil last year so I finally pulled it. I have a replacement build in the wings awaiting final mods and completion. It will be all new and the 2276 is being refreshed for backup duty ... with all this history I can't bring myself to retire it. Sorry for the long read ... TxT Title: Re: your motor: how when and why? Post by: Karlos99 on August 24, 2015, 23:15:35 pm 2110 90.5x82
CB performance Chevy journal crank Stock weight flywheel & Berg heavy pulley DRD h-beam 5.4 rods Engle Fk8 with scat 1.4 rockets Straight cut cam gears Chromoly pushrods 10:1 compression DRD L5's with 40x35.5 valves, hand ported Weber 44 IDF's on match ported CSP manifolds Merged 1 5/8 header & mondo muffler Full flow with hp 1 filter and external cooler with scoop Fully balanced to '0' and blue printed Bosch 009 with petronix and MSD blaster 2 coil 165hp & buckets of torque, don't remember figure and revs to 7000rpm Built by Hector Howe Coupled to a Rancho box in an early bay results in a lot of fun ;D (http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag94/Karlos2110/03FED507-ABE9-436B-8A34-6310592DC522_zpsqh9gp1gj.jpg) (http://s1300.photobucket.com/user/Karlos2110/media/03FED507-ABE9-436B-8A34-6310592DC522_zpsqh9gp1gj.jpg.html) (http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag94/Karlos2110/E2E39815-01D0-4837-90A6-7BBE69C441D9_zpsbufufzlg.jpg) (http://s1300.photobucket.com/user/Karlos2110/media/E2E39815-01D0-4837-90A6-7BBE69C441D9_zpsbufufzlg.jpg.html) Was a fun trip to Ninove in Belguim lol |