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Does anybody that has a A1Sidewinder have pics of it in the car you can post?? Any angle. And also feed back on performance with a big motor. Have a 1 3/4 Lowdown now, selling it to a friend of mine to get the Sidewinder. But would like to see the set-up beforehand. Thanks guy's

Ted

Here ya go Ted...I found this pic !.... ;)

Diiferent angle

I have to confess that I don't like them. The whole point of the back end of a Cal Look Beetle to me is the idea that something not stock is lurking back there, whether that impression is given by a cabrio 'lid or a pair of quietpacks, but that system is just too hidden. It's subtlety is lost on me I'm afraid! It'd be quite good on a Resto Cal with a big motor, GFK style! :o :D

This is something I've thought also, but on the other hand most of non-VW persons wouldn't notice the difference between the exhausts nor cabriolet lid and VW person notices the missing peashooters anyway.

i really like the sidewinder exhaust as long as the pea shooter recesses in the rear apron are filled!
and i quite like glenn gaskey's exhaust too, but i believe that one's custom made:

(http://www.dkpcarclub.com/dkp_images/gaskey.jpg)

i'll stick to my dual QPs though ;)

 :P

 ;D 

I have a CB version on my 181 due to its short back. i did not want any silencer sticking behind my rear bumper (prohibited by local law). It is performing very well with my 2276 with 37 mm exhaust valves. The sound is perfect for me. Slightly on a louder side.

 
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Nice engine !

is glenn's an A-1 production model through the right peashooter hole? if so, pretty cool!

Hey Mark, Well, you Tigar, if you want it a certain way, he'll do it, but you can't beat his quality. When I order my Sidewinder, it'll be all black ceramic coated. Talked to Tigar at the Classic, gave me some good idea's. Enough Bling for me. You'll hear, but won't see it, well maybe a little.  ;)

Ted

Say Mark, not to side track my own post, but whats the name of the guy in DKP, he had a real nice black car, sold it, now he has a very cool almost white Type III SQB W/BRM's? If he's on here, do you know his handle? Need to PM him. Thanks Mark

Ted

THATS TRUE ABOUT TIGER!!!

That's Don Brown, Ted and he's not a computer guy... well, so far anyways.  I've come to like my choice of Tiger's Sidewinder.  It quieted things down and I like the "mystery" of where the exhaust system is.  There's some added vibration from having the muff up under the fender but not enough to cause alarm.

Sargie steps up to the "solarized" coating.  Nice.   ;)

Thank you Sarge, for the info. on Don, thats what I'm looking for to quiet things down a bit, well, maybe more than a bit with black coating instead. But your looks hot! I hear the muffler itself is quieter than the Lowdown I have. My lowdown is a bit load. I'm trying to figure how I want the exit to be, thats why I'm asking for some pics to see different set-up's to help me decide. Your's look very close to what I want, straight back facing slightly down with a straight cut, not angled. Thanks Sarge for your reply.

Ted

I dig the R32 in the photo above.... 8)

  Ted PM me your number and I'll have Don call you.

What is an AC cobra without the side pipes? Half a Cobra at best...  what is a cal-looker without exhaust? The exhaust is a important part of the styling of a car... hidden exhausts are "seen" on things like a Prius...

Check out the exhaust on the Golf in the picture above... by far a meaner look than on the thing... the thing looks like it's got central heating or something to me... :-X

Just a personal opinion

Yeah.....Tiger says it's best to Hot coat it "then" scuff & paint it black...This way if it gets a oil burn you can always re-paint it ..!! Speaking of paint.....Can anyone recommend some "Good" High temp header paint that got a nice satin Black color...?..... ;D

this is what you want, almost ceramic-like finish:

VHT Flameproof (up to 1000C / 2000F)
(http://americanbikeshop.com/images/produkt/midi/255200834925_P1030695.jpg)

But a VERY good one.

Thanks JHU.

BB

I think I've used it before..... works great but gave me more of a "Blueish look" than black..? I used to get this paint ( Can't remember the brand) from a local auto paint store but they no longer make it.. that was a "True Black" color also wasn't cheap But was perfect...!......Any others out there ?

Non-Vw Persons don't matter.

I do like to see the exhaust, too. But I am getting tired of seeing the same "fat boy" type muffler hanging of the back, as well.

Pulling the muffler to check the valves is an inconvenience I'm not willing to make ::)

Never thought of that!


Quite true!

DKK Steve was the first I saw to run a hidden exhaust. I loved the idea and copied it as soon as I saw it. Cal-Look was like playing poker you don't want to show your hand too soon. The V-8 boys started to pick up on the dual packs so the hidden muffler was an ace-in-the-hole!  ;)  That plus the added ground clearance made it a win-win!

I wish I had some photos of the system on my car. I still have the muffler assembly but the header is gone. I will probably get Tiger to recreate it as closely as possible as it was something that set my car apart from the rest and something I was particularly proud of.

Thanks....I will try it ..!!!

Say Rick, is that the one that came out and back in into a Corvair Turbo muffler and exited like behind the motor somewhere??

Ted

Oh brother!

Mark...Where did you get the Rustoleum High temp at ...?

Mine is a std A-1 sidewinder but I made the tip some out the pee shooter hole. Tiger gave me a couple of u-bends then I cut them to make it dump ou the back.

Thanks mark ..I will let you know if i can't locate some ..thanks again..!

Very Nice...!... I love it ...Does having the tip exit out like that keep it a little quieter comin out the back...? as far as inside sound ..?

Mmmmmm I'm thinkin 2 cans should do it ...!

                                                         What if he doesn't feel like it?

Thanks guy's for all your input and pic's, placed my order with Tiger today, should be killer, can't wait to get it and get it in. Gotta say, Tiger sure knows his stuff.

Ted

Hey Mark..Did my personal message get sent to ya ...?...I'm not seeing it in my Outbox..?..... ???

Now this is a variation that I really like. Filling one of the cutouts is a really interesting look for the back of the car. Different, but subtle. Nice one Glenn! :D

Thanks Neil, thats what I was looking to accomplish......also the car is a little quieter with the exhaust coming out the back rather than underneath

had some pictures of it from 20 yr ago, but have since lost them, BUT, my favorite "hot rod" exhaust still is the muffler Mason had on his black car that ran under RH head and exited under RH running board. I was at Classic in 1991 and stood there as he backed the car into it's spot and it sounded like a late 60's formula 1 car.

didn't Danny Gabbard have a similar setup on his black low light?

I built a couple of those BITD when I had my black KG, I'm not sure if Mason ended up with one of my old ones or made a new one. My goal was to get the exhaust to split and exit the torsion bar holes on the Ghia.........never got to it before the car got stolen

we duplicated the Mason muffler on a buddy's '54 oval up in Bay Area shortly after we saw Dave's. In my opinion Dave's car, as mean as it sounds now, sounded even more viscious with that side exit pipe.

Nice. This is what I would like to do with my sidewinder copy. It should be quieter inside the car that way. With the exhaust tip under the fender, it makes a booming sound that is not that pleasant in a long ran.

As for the exhaust itself, I have chosen it because I don't like the big muffler hanging at the rear. It's just ugly (IMO). I know that sometimes it has to be there. It's like duck tail at an old 911 - it's there because it's needed. And that's OK (with me), But if someone is copying it just for looks, it can lead to result like this:
(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/6168/12388760156aece305e7993.jpg)

And isn't cal-look about being discreet and not showing the real potential?  ;)
But I know people are used to big cans hanging at the rear, so this will stay.

Just my opinion

Well guy's, I recieved my A1 Sidewinder Friday, it's a work of art. Hopefully will be in this weekend, pending family functions. Below are some pics of the pieces after unwraping them. Muffler ended up to be polished stainless, wanted it black, but I like it anyway, but the rest is black. Will post pics after it's in.

Ted

Mark, to be honest with you, I can hardly wait to get it in and out in the street, soooo curious on the sound it puts out and the HP effect. Will sooon find out.  ;D

Ted

Looks good buddy... ;)....How was the "Party"..?..Sorry I couldn't make it... I was wrapped up in truck repairs ..... :o...!!!

I like the way this...

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...part is done. Other manufacturers do this from two parts welded together and the curve is not always that smooth.

That looks good Ted !  8)

Thanks Randy, No prob, you got e-mail. Below are pics of the install today. Could not fire it up cause I need to get a plug for O2 senser hole. One problem, #4 flange does not sit real flat and has a very so slight gap. Will talk to Tiger on Monday, the last pic you might see the gap. After I start it I'll know for sure. Anyway, below are some pics of the sidewinder installed.

Ted

Ted if you have an extra bypass relief valve cap for stock case, you can use that for a plug.

Hey Jim, that's exactly what I'm going to use. I have an old one I can put in to fire it up, will be going to Bill & Steves tomorrow to pick up the ones that you use an allen wrench on. I use those on my motors, works awesome, multi purpose.  :)

Ted

Ted ..Did ya resolve the problem with the #4 flange...? try to loosen the other flanges and then do #4 first.... then the rest ..?

did you know you can use a front axle nut from linkpin bug as the bung?  ;D
I tried the stainless plug that came with my NGK AFR sensor... big mistake! Even with anti seize it took an Act of God (and lots of heat and swear words) to get it out of my header after 2 years.

Spark plug might be the same, too?  Yet another method to create confusion.  Run a spare lead out of sight and BOOM, instant head scratching. 

Why not go the extra $100 if your going to screw a spark plug in the hole ;D

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Now there ya go, will have to have Tiger build some extra muffler's after I blow out the inside's of them. LOL Now wait now....have tiger build a short muffler like he does now and have it facing just out the finder.....Hey Sarge, may have something there.... ::)... ;)... ;D

UPDATE! Talked to Tiger and came up with a solution, and problem fixed. Gotta say, Tiger is a standup guy. Will always buy his products. Thanks Tiger if ya out there!

Ted  ;D