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Saw at Ultimateaircooled that The Baron team ran 7.986 @ 175 mph. Totally Amazing!!

 :o :o :o

R E S P E C T!!

lol congrats eric !!! big respect

Superb  ;D

It was just a matter of time but that does not make it less impressive. Congrats to the Red Baron team!

Best rgs
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amazing  :o

Absolutely Incredible time ;D

Really cool! Congratulations to the team :-D

Here is something you might want to put in your scarp books

http://ultimateaircooled.com/simplemachinesforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8698.0;attach=8731;image

nice picture harold  ;D

well done eric !!!

Keith S. put it best in the photo caption of Chris Bubetz's Pro Turbo car in one of his books, I can't remember which one off the top of my head and it went, I believe something like this: Chris Bubetz broke the last barrier with an 8.93 at 150-plus miles per hour (I know these figures aren't exact, but bear with me).  It's highly unlikely any conventional full-bodied VW Beetle will ever run seven-seconds in the quarter mile, but then, who would have ever thought they would run in the eights?

I now wonder who will be the first into the sevens with a floorpan...  ;D

Awesome work! :)
http://www.youtube.com/v/EzlBYKaoUpE?fs=1&hl=en_US&rel=0

Baron is only back halfed ;)

beat me to it Martin.

Better Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lIFdesU2Ho&feature=player_embedded

Soooooo Smoooth! and 5.18 to the 1/8... Wow.

And the 1/8th MPH is a high nine 1/4 mph ;D

Really awesome.  :o

and i though that was going some at 1/4 but this is mental!
respect to all involved 8)

FAR OUT!

Absolutely OUTSTANDING.

That thing is going to be insane when they get the big heads on it! They are switching from Angle Flows to 4" bore CNC ported Strip Dominators. Are they going to be the first to 7.50s? :o Sacramento is going to be awesome in a few weeks!

Funny thing is -- -- Scott was saying they were down on power and could hardly get the thing up on the rev limiter -- reason for the long reaction time

very cool what they have done congrats to them. and stealth what do you mean big heads THE A FLOWS ARE PLENTY BIG. if anything there going to be doing A ABOUT FACE :( if anything if they go that route at least for awhile when they get ALL the GREMILEN,S  out and belive me they havem every head dose. either way congrats to the boys for upseting vw HISTORY thats the coolest. UD . btw if they do happen to go qwicker with the new heads that will be great. at least we know that the LEGENDARY ORIGINAL 27 YEAR old/new DESIGN AFLOWS DID IT FIRST and you cant take it away from the heads. FIRST (DOOR SLAMER) IN THE 9S old style (NA). AND FIRST (DOOR SLAMER) IN THE 7S new style (HAIR DRYER.) couldnt ask for anthing better. UD. 

Well done.

Can someone explain how you can go faster with a lower top speed is this all down to reaction time and launch ? As in may it was 8.277/175.63mph (hotvw)and now under 8sec but slower at 175mph, sorry if its a dumb question, just wondered ?

HP is your MPH and Torque is how quick you can get to it -- so they are still making the same HP but they have either found a better torque curve and/or got what they had to the ground.

The fastest 60' time I know of in a BUG is 1.18 by Frank the Banks car a lot of V8 cars are sub 1 sec to the 60 -- top fuel cars are around .83 to the 60' -- most PROMOD VW's float around the the 1.22-1.23 range -- If there is anywhere for a VW to pick up some ET it is in the 60' range

Your reaction time is measured from the lighting of the first light on the tree to the green light which is WHEN you can leave there are 2 different trees a pro tree where perfect is .400 and the sportsman tree which perfect is .500, BUT .... Your time doesn't start until you break the beam by actually leaving. That is where the PACKAGE term comes in -- -- it is a number where the reaction time and your ET are added together  -- -- This where someone who leaves with a .400 or .500 (as the green light comes on - perfect reaction time) and runs a 10.00 beats a car with a RT of .549 or .649 (a +.149 after the green has lighted)and runs a 9.86. Margin of victory would be .009

If you notice on the Baron's time slip his RT was terrible (a 1.89 on a .40 tree) because he was waiting for the turbo to spool up but it did not affect his ET.

thanks

I think i get that but how with slower MPH at both the 1/8th and 1/4 can you get there quicker without going as fast.....  ???

It's all about getting the car moving from rest. Taking things to the extreme, if a Top Fuel dragster blasted off the line and shut off 200ft out, it might reach, say, 150mph and then go on to coast through the 1/4 mile in 10 seconds slowing to just 90mph through the lights. I'm making these figures up, but bear with me… Now take a VW Bug. it blasts off the line, covers the 1/4 mile in 10 seconds but at 135mph... Same ET, but vastly different speeds. Why? Because the T/F car has accelerated to its full potential early on. That takes massive torque, which the Red Baron has in spades.

Actually I think the mile per hour looks correct and the Sacramento ones were inaccurate for some reason. Wayne

It was either 1990 or 1991 when I got to see my first VW powered 7 second run (the Folts & Schuh rail). It was amazing to see, and now to hear a back halved sedan has run a 7 is unbelivable, and a simply outstanding achievement! Congratulations to all those involved. 

Foot Note. Both the first 9-second run by a n/a sedan (Dean Lowry), and the first 8-second run by a VW sedan (Eric Calabrese) were using the A/F head design.... Not sure which cylinder head Chris Bubetz was using for his first 8-second run (Auto-Craft or Pauter).

it was pauter deano. chrises car was just a little more ACTION PACKED when it left the starting line with ALL FOURS leaving the ground bitchen car in deed . UD .

I think you will find that Chris eventually went Pauter, but ran the first eight using SF heads.
(when the car was graphic'ed and black).

I'm not sure that anyone really explained this correctly!?
Yes it is!
Often a faster start with better traction could lower the rpms slightly more than a slower start with either more clutch or wheel spin would do.
And the ET is faster due to a better start,
top end speed is reduced due to the lower start rpms.
Higer rpms out of the stage often makes the engine make more power faster and it will then catch up speed quicker.
As usual, the best thing is inbetweeen, this will probably make the best ET.

At dragdays with lots of different street cars on street tires this is easy to understand,
you can have a high horsepower rwd front engined car in one run and a lower horespower Beetle in the next.
They can make the same ET, but the Beetle will beat the other car at 1/8, but when they get closer to the 1/4 the high horsepower rwd front engined car will catch up really quickly.
This is caused by wheelspin on the other car out of the stage, but when it gets good enough traction it will get use of all of its horses, and catch up.

Have i got this right?
Until anyone explains this in another way, this is how it is inside my head...

Congratulations,

I Just wanted to say what a great job you guys have done with the car and the ET is just amazing. Not sure where the next mile stone is but I think you have it in the bag for a long while and no one car take that away!!!

Well done pure class :)

All the best Paul

ok. It`s off topic, but the CSP-Type-34 breaks the 8 with a Type1-engine, a Type1-gearbox, full bodied, all steel, RLR-chassied-Volkswagen last weekend at the SCC in Norway/Europe. As far as I know, the "8" was never hit with a Type1-engine/gearbox, right?

 as far as i know BOOMBETS had a t1 box when he cracked the 8 sec barrier. the guy that was building his boxes at the time told me that one race the bearings there would be nothing left or very littel that was reusable. either mike Herbert built his box or Harold carter did. cant remember . UD

I ran an 8.52 with a stock mag case and T1 trans in the LGK dragster.

You are very correct Jeff, it will be a learning experience with the Strip Dominator heads. Very few major changes to an engine work out perfect the first time out. The strip dominator structurally is stronger than the angle flow, this is what Eric needs. As far as flow, the 4" Strip Dominator flows 19 percent more than the Angle flows they had on the engine, using the same diameter valve. There was absolutley NO welding done to the strip Dominator, they don't need it. I am not taking anything away from the Angle Flow, those heads are very nice. What more can you ask out of a head than a 7 second 1/4 mile.

I was just reading the feature on Chris' car the other night in the July 1997 Hot Vws... appears Carter's Gear Box Shop built his tranny.  That was a great read, can't remember the last time I read it... dont' remember hearing about the water circulation system that cooled the intake charge, interesting stuff!