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Hi

Want to build a good engine for my 67 callook Karmann Ghia (still to build  ::)), want it nice and clean but don't want to kill the whole budget of the restoration of the car. So any suggestions or idea's would be very welcome! I'm not looking for a very powerfull engine, have my 68 beetle to play with  ;D, so I'm rather looking for a good reliable single port engine. Found myself a good H-engine, so dismantle this one and let it measured will be the first step I think? I'm not sure if I want small double carb's or not, but it's cleaner IMO. I want the car pas daily mot so that why I want the H-case.

I know it's not a 300bhp turbo monster but hope there's someone out there with nice idea's who's willing to share them with me  ;).

Thanx!!!

gr
Wout

Fred has got it. While you're in there counterweight the crank and lighten the flywheel. Make it a 1600cc while you're at it... can you even get 83's any more??

Might as well put in 87s and go 1641

So that exhaust doesn't kill your bottom end any?  I figured 1-5/8" would be way too big for stock valved heads... Good to know for the future, a mouse motor may be in my future after a score of parts I picked up this weekend for cheap!

Thanx! Don't know about the 1641cc, it depends on how good the 1500cc stuff is. All the other things sounds very good and not over budget  ;D. I think I have to read Dyno Don's topic about singleporting again  ;). If someone has a set of those carb's for sale or may know some, please let me know? I'm not in a hurry cause I'm building a new garage so first things first. When the garage is finished, I can work at home on the engine and the karmann  :D.

gr
Wout

1641 should be as expensive as a 1500 engine regarding pistons and cylinders. like Zach said, 83's are maybe even harder to find and 87 pops up frequently at a good price.

I would go for a nice single port dual carb engine set up like in the days.  A riechert or TDE set up would do very nice and ad to that vintage callook theme you are looking after.  I rather not use modern aircleaners, but something more vintage.

Philip Steenackers
Flatline Lowriders
Belgium

Hi Philip

Would be nice, do you know some carbs for sale?  ;D

Wanted the car and engine ready for EBI 2011, but as I'm still building my new garage that's not a good plan. Want to do it the good way and at my own garage so the car has to waith  ::).

Any pics nice single port dual engines are very welcome  :D

gr
Wout

t-3 carbs is what you looking for not to price.

lots of info and cool stuff hear

http://forums.pre67vw.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=14384

I had a stock 1500 (rebuildt to stock spec with balanced crank) in my KG for a while. Just added 1,25:1 rockers, 1 1/2" exhaust and dual single 34mm solex carbs. It was the strongest "stock" engine i ever had!!   ;D

cool topic - I have been thinking about "stock-ish" motors for a while  ;)

http://cal-look.no/lounge/index.php/topic,13878.0.html

just got my self a 1300 dual port. Friday i,m picking it up  ;D
going to ad the dual progressive carbs i have a header and some 1.25 rockers. home porting and a bit or comp
any body have any info on porting

Very very cool - is there some 356 parts in there somewhere  :-\ :)

what kind of distributor cap is that??

25hp

Hello.
There is no need for a counterweigthed crank in a single port motor of that kind. Just get the stock crank/flywheel/clutch balanced. Rods and pistons too. Personally I like lightening the flywheel 2 lbs (1 kg) on these engines for faster rpm pick up.
I like the CB2280 cam. Very nice idle and good overall torque (Slightly less top end over the W100, but better low end)
Clean up the ports, shorten intake guides 5-7 mm. cut back valves, 3 angle valve job 8,5 - 1 CR.
Yes on the ICT´s or 34 mm PCI´s/ Brazil Solex or even good condition type 3 carbs.

I think a 1½" header will be too large. It will kill the lower end torque, which is what these engines are st up for originally. I would stay with a regular 1 3/8. Its also cheaper, and today you can get a variety of good mufflers for it.
T

Thanks to all!!!!!

When I start to it, I'll updat this topic  :D.

gr
Wout

I'm running a stock 85x69 set up in my car with Dual 36 Del DRLA's 4-Tuned 1 1/2 ,German 009, and it runs "Great"..! I sooo love it

 My 2275 is ready but I kinda don't wanna put it in cuz I will miss my ( very reliable ) little motor....I must say it did run a little better with my 1 3/8 on it though !

Hi Wout,

This is my engine from my old 1500'67 beetle that I sold last year.
It's really simple, single port with Weber 34 PICT and Bosch 009, that's it and runs really GREAT !!!

Cheers, Dokke
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Hi Dokke

Thanks for the comment and the pic!
Nice engine but want mine even more simple, want to use an electric fuelpump so I can hide it. Have a doghouse (kind a 30hp fanhouse) but with place for the oilcooler, so those little things should made it very clean.

Want to start at it wright now, but have to build my garage first  ::).

gr
Wout

hey Wout,

I like the idea of a mildly tuned stuck engine on dual carbs, especially in a Ghia, where you have lot's of engine room.  I had a stock 1600cc dual port on dual 36mm dell'orto's in my beetle and it ran great.  Low budget and all.  I don't think it's a good plan to rush your garage, the ghia and the engine ready for EBI 4.  Take your time and do it right.

Here is a picture of the 1600 cc engine.  Air cleaners were 356C's for solex P11 carbs, modified at home to fit the dell's. 

Philip

If someone has some vintage carb's or singleport inlet's laying arround, and willing to sell them, please let me know  ;)

Thanks!

gr
Wout

i have some dual port 1300 heads and the carbs in for sall

Thanks but I want to stay with the single ports  ;)

gr
Wout

 :D

@DKK Fred: thanks for the comment.  At that time I wanted a cool enginebay, but I had no butget as all of the money was going to the Ghia (and still is ::)), so with an investment of second hand 356c aircleaners, I had something special.

Philip
Flatline-Lowriders
Belgium

Wout,
A couple of suggestions with your 1500 combo.  If you have access to some sort of die grinder or dremmel, pick up a valve spring removal tool and remove your exhaust valves.  Then remove the sharp edges in the exhaust ports.  The ports have a lot of material behind the valve seat and this is cheap horsepower.  If the guides are OK, re-lap all the valves and re-install.  This is all very inexpensive to do.

When you reassemble the heads, toss on a set of heavy duty single valve springs.

Other suggestions:
- Consider 8-dowelling the flywheel and crank.  You may be able to do this inexpensively by doing it yourself.
- Carefully inspect the rods.  Depending on the engine's mileage they may need to be rebuilt.
- As suggested by others, consider having the flywheel lightened to 12-14 lbs.  It will help improve accelleration on a low hp engine.
- A nice set of single port Kadrons will perform awesome, even with a stock cam.  Never thought ICT's were any good... ;D
- If you can swing it, toss in an Engle W100 cam and some new or re-ground lifters (budget).
- Pick up a decent header/extractor system.  I wouldn't spend the money on a merged header for this combo unless you get it for free. :D
- See if you can pick up a German 009 (or 010).  They're out there for budget builds.

You will have a blast with this combo.  It will have great throttle response and perform nicely.  Have fun!!!

This last seems very good advice!!!

Go for it, Wout.

Philip

Thanks!!! I can't wait to get on the little thing  ;).
The Lounge is such a great forum!!!  :o
Hope some day I can help someone to!

gr
Wout

x2

A dremel 300 is in the house and the building of the garage is going well but now the temperature is going down so no good for the constructionworks :-(. Hope I can finish the 'stonework' before winter, so I can put a roof on it  ::).

gr
Wout

Are you building and intire house after that garage ? ;)

Looks like something very huge!!!

Philip
Flatline-Lowriders.
Belgium

No not that big, only space for 5 cars  ;D

House is on the right side out of sight.

gr
Wout

"Want to build a good engine for my 67 callook Karmann Ghia (still to build  ), want it nice and clean but don't want to kill the whole budget of the restoration of the car. So any suggestions or idea's would be very welcome! I'm not looking for a very powerfull engine, have my 68 beetle to play with  , so I'm rather looking for a good reliable single port engine. Found myself a good H-engine, so dismantle this one and let it measured will be the first step I think? I'm not sure if I want small double carb's or not, but it's cleaner IMO. I want the car pas daily mot so that why I want the H-case."

I built a 1500 in the 80's , F case, SP heads , polished chambers and intake, Engle 100, and stock pre smog single 32 Solex carb with Old Berg headers, Cut the heads for 9:1, 010 distributor recurved by FAT. Ran cool and strong for years, no leaks or issues, The 83's have thicker walls than 1600 jugs and seem to love life.

D.C.

Thanks!
When it stops freezing I can build of my garage  ::)

gr
Wout

hi just starting my sp 1500 head and was reading this thread lots of good info one question on the cut down intake guides wear quicker???

my other hop-up are t3 twin carbs and ratio rockers
fingers crossed ready for ebi 4 to

After a long search, I found some carbs  ;D

Garage is allmost ready, so can start building my 1500  ;).

gr
Wout

want to put together a 1641 with single port heads on H block for my 66 bug ,will be built as a no budget cal looker as if back in the late 60s early 70s buy some one who wanted "the look" but didnt have the money.have a reground cam (dont know specs but back of cam is close to core!)and a bugspray carb/manafold and a stock looking exhaust that has slip joints instead of normal flares .old skool rules.collecting bits ,have a rev counter that measures volts and dwell and some smiths gauges oil presure with a pipe ,ammeter ,volts and clock in plastic panel for under dash. 8)

Found these at SCC, hope they wil be cool on the 1500  ;)

gr
Wout

very nice! i guess you could find some NOS stickers, strip and powder coat them and apply new decals.... fresh out the factory look....?

so whats you plan then?

i didnt see it mentioned but if you balancing the bottom end you may aswel CC the heads and let the compression match your  desired cam? have you got the 1500 gearbox?

i guess its easy to get carried away on an engine, once you change one part, you wonder why not another and it snowballs!

best of luck and enjoy that amazing garage!

Hey Andy

My Karmann is a 67 with original a 1500 engine so I presume it's also a 1500 gearbox  :-X.

Want to build an engine that has the looks of missing a few parts  ;D, so as simple as possible. Don't know about the tde-kit because original it's painted 'hamerite blue/green'. It's a very rare set so I should paint them back in the original color but then the engine won't look that simple anymore...   :-\

Thanks about the garage, but it's not finished yet but it starts looking something  ;D. I'm doing it all by myself so it takes time  :(, otherwise it would be unaffordable. Finished the outher wall 2 weeks ago and mounted the door and windows a few days back, so bit by bit it's coming all together.

About the specs of the 1500, I don't know yet what I'm gonna do. Think I will see when I get there  ;D. First thing on the list is to dissemble the block and see what I get. Then start reading (again) all the nice comments there are post here on topic...

gr
Wout

Hi,

you must be a sucker for punishment making it out of bricks instead of blocks  ;D looks nice though!

 :D, I like to do it properly, so that's why  ;D

Hey Fred, I know this is a case of Holy Batman Old Thread Recall, but I am curious about your statement that this set up got "Great Mileage" - Do you recall what mileage this combo was getting you in everyday type driving? Thanks, Don

    Hi Don, I have had  a very cool project as of recent with stock to modified improvements. With a stock 1600 dual port single carb 25/27 mpg....with dual type 3 solex 29/32 mpg... with kadrons  32/35mpg...  stock muffler/71 sedan .  In the Early 70's  With my single port 1600 and 4:37 r/p and stock ported heads and stock carb with engle 100 cam ran 16:90 and 25/28mpg... with kadrons 15:90's 32/35mpg...with cam change to engle 120 and 148,114 gears ran 15:01 and got 38 city and 41.6 highway   IM not a fan of ict's as related to your concern but love the solex 32's and kadrons as their performance values are much superior. Hope this helps,  Dyno Don

Start...

Finally I found some time to take a look at the (very cheap and dirty) 1500 that I bought some time ago  ;D. Found out that the wrong carb who was with it, is a 34pict3  ;D lucky me.

Trial fit the TDE-kit but it isn't plug'n'play  ???, the inlet's does not fit the thinware and with the tinware removed, there's a small part of the head that's in the way. No big deal but strange IMO...

I also have to look for another fanhouse, there's not enough space for the carbs  ???, have a 30hp-style somewhere that I will try later on.

So anyone who has experience with fitting a TDE-singleport kit on a 1500, please let me know  ;)

Thanks!

gr

Wout

Hey wout,
I will come and look for fitting the tde and more just tel me when.....
Greets cedric

Allways welcome  :D!!!

Time is the problem  :-\

gr
Wout

Hi Wout,

Check this topic..

http://cal-look.no/lounge/index.php/topic,19176.0.html

If you need some help... you know where to find me! ;)

Ciaoo,
Christoph

Yes I do  ;).

Look at these TDE inlets (found on the samba, not mine), there's a piece that inserts the head and there's a small gab that match the little piece on the head (hope you all understand what I mean  ::)), mine are flat and doesn't have that little gap  ???. Can make them fit when I let the heads flatten a bit (the surface isn't flat) but don't understand why my set is different to that from the samba (green one is mine)?

gr
Wout

Has someone cut them off for use with a smaller motor? ???

Hope not  ::), doesn't look that way.

My dualports are olso flat, but that's normal IMO.

gr
Wout

Someone did cut them of  :-\

Found this picture on the net...

But when I let the heads flatten it won't be a problem to use them?

Thanks for all the help!

gr
Wout

Send an email to TDE to ask about the inlets...   ;D

gr
Wout

Heads are taken care of, just have to pick them up  :D.
Split the engine this evening, now have to clean it and let it measured.

gr
Wout

Now the TDE inlet's will fit  ;D.

gr
Wout

ideal!

What exhaust should I look for that works fine on the 1500 and looks nice under my Ghia?

gr
Wout

Ray speedwells.....

Hey Cedric some suggestions more easy (cheaper) to find  :D?

gr
Wout

Are there other suggestions?  ::)

Thanks!

gr
Wout

Turbo Thomas/my Std plus 1 3/8" 
Better (lower) sound level than the vintage equivallent.

T

Thanks, any other suggestions?

Engine is measured, some parts can be saved others not  ;D so lets clean the good ones en get rid of the bad ones...

gr
Wout

bugpack header with glasspack or quiet pack?

http://www.flat4free.be/forum/viewtopic.php?t=95397&sub_category=08.%20Gebruikte%20Onderdelen
;)

Thanks, saw it but want something more special  ;) and hope to keep the heating  :P

gr
Wout

Made some progress...
One side done, one to go...

Thanks Christoph to let me use your machinery  ;D

gr
Wout

Made some progress...

gr
Wout

It's looking AWESOME! ;D

Cheers Christoph ;)

Trial fit the inlet's to the modified heads, but it's not OK yet  ::).
The angle is IMO not good and the valvecovers doesn't fit  ???.
Maybe someone know what I'm doing wrong or what has to be done to make it work?
Cutting the inlet's to a different angle could be a solution I think  :-\.
 
Thanks!

gr
Wout

No suggestions?  ::)

Thanks!

gr
Wout

I think as long as the manifolds are centred over the port, see how much metal you have left on the outside of the manifold (the rocker cover side), and perhaps clearance the manifolds for the rocker cover?
Sealing up the intake manifolds can be done with an O-ring sized to fit inside the rebate on the head, so no air leaks, even if the manifold face is now thin from the clearancing.

That piece that was cut off your manifolds would space it away so it clears,maybe you need a spacer in there to match what it had originally?

Would be a solution but will the inlet stand stable enough then?

Thanks!

gr
Wout

I would bore a hole in either the manifold or head[or even both] then press a piece of alluminium tube the same size as the manifolds would have had new into the inlet and it will be good

That's an option. But can't do a port-job then  ::), or am I wrong?

Thanks!!!!!

gr
Wout

Problem solved  ;)

gr
Wout

Nice work Wout !

Thanks! My father in law made it  ;D.
Also had to cut a little bit of the valvecovers but most important improvement is the inlets are vertical now  :), my father in law measured it and it's 0,2° out of perfect vertical so he is not 100% satisfied  ::), but I am!!!!

Tomorrow I go with the Karmann to a friend to do some minor welding. I could do it myself but he's a real pro, so I let him do it  ;D
gr
Wout

Looking good mate, love the old school, what mods you doing to the heads?