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What filters are the best for my 48IDA?

I am useing the engine for steet. But I don´t what brand/type of filters that will be the best.
So far I have only found K&N and Ramflo.

I have two types of stacks. The original stacks and some who are wider, about 98mm outside at the top. But are there any filters that will fit wide stacks? I think the stacks are called "Pro-Stacks", but I am not sure.

If anybody have some for sale, new or used at a good price, you are very welcome to let me know. :)

I have just read that some have tried that the foam-style filters, and that they were being suck in to cabs.
So I could sound like that K&N style is the way to go.
Anybody who have some other experiences?

Try these..!

http://www.aircooledengineering.com/products.htm

None are fine ;)

Yes I know a lot of people are driving without, because they think it look´s cool.

But I have decided that I want to run with filters. :)

i bought some filters a few years ago, from proformance i think it was.
don't have a pic though, but i know other people (e.g. Sarge) run/ran them too.

they're mesh with a rubber edge that slides onto the stack. no increase in height either.

But how good are the Mesh filters? I have never seen them in real life, but at the pictures it look´s like they will only remove "big" stones.
How good are the filter funktion, when it is dusty?

You´re talking about these...
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I think they´re only good to keep birds and bees away from your motor.  ;D

those are the ones, and it was shaun geers.
guess that's what they'll be doing then  ;)

I've heard horror stories about 20% horsepower loss with the Geers type... Fairytales or fact?

I'm running Uni filters.

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no idea, but i can't see why they would?
mesh filters are far less "distortive" than foam filters...

Just my thought..

I have read somewhere that some have had problems with the foamtype, being sucked into the stacks. Any of you who have tried that?

So there is 3 options:
K&N, Foam-style and Mesh.

...Ram Flow:

http://image57.webshots.com/457/0/45/10/2381045100087888626SxmKZa_ph.jpg

I have foamfilter, no problems at all and easy to remove when the engine bay is showed  :D

I can´t open the link. Sure the link is right?

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Aircooled.net sells foamies with a inside spring installed so they won't get sucked in.

That's what i have.

I have received some very interesting information about K&N and clones. http://shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=133791&p=1042182#p1042182

I have never seen the mesh-style, only pictures, so I don´t know how good they are. I just think they look so coarse.

So I think that i will use some foam filters.

Geers claims dyno proven zero hp and flow loss.

If one looks at the aerodynamical properties of a stack with and without the filter it seems incredible that there is no difference in air flow. But if it´s proven, it´s proven.

  Ummmm IDA's don't have filters......... 

In certain off road classes/divisions, they do.

 ;D

i have this one and i thik that work good!

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IDAs, Berg linkage, Bosch 010 and mechanical fuel pump... I like it.

VERY TNX.. and the A1 dynomax muffler? hihihihiihiih ;D

I went Berg with dual QPs

Hello.
In general it is correct that those mesh filter on the stacks kill power. But I have also seen engines that absolutely did´nt care. Dont ask me why, because I dont know.
Foam filters definitely rob some power. Typically about 10 hp per 200 hp. When these filters are used, it is ESSENTIAL!!! that the engine gets dynoed/jetted WITH the filters or it WILL run rich.
With the K&N style filters there are normally not much of a difference with and without filters. Yes, the K&N style filters are not that good UNLESS you remember to oil the filter units. Then they increase efficiency by about 35% without sacrificing flow.
ACE´s filters are really good and does not rob much power if any.

In Blobs case I think the first question needs to be "how much room is there?" After that we/he can begin thinking of types of filters.
T

  Ha....  just being a butt 

In Arizona you run filters or your motor ends up growing in size from the dirt boring out your cylinders...that is if it runs long enough that the bearings don't go away too.  :-)  I will be running mesh around town and I am making some like Art (ACE) makes for road trips.

Rick M

                                                     Baloney ;D Unless you drive on dirt roads, there's no need for filters. I've never seen cylinder damage as a result of not running filters. But to each their own.

Rick lives on a dirt road...

I know. I'd run them too if I lived where he does.

Zach,

You have about 30+ years to catch up with all the road miles some of us have in our cars. You don't see too many guys on the HOT ROD Power tours or other main road events without air cleaners.  A friday night jaunt or weekend cruise is not the same as a lot of driving. 

I had motors without air cleaners once. Never ran without them again.  I lived in a fully paved Califorinia suburb at the time in the early 70's.  Everyone can do what they want.  The amount of time, work and maintenance people put in is up to them. I like longevity and protecting my investment.

RM

I run Ram Air socks over the IDA velocity stacks.  Runs great, but if you take them of regulary (like I do to run without), the rubbers sometimes brake.  Though it's better for my engine then running without if we drive a long trip!

Succes.

Philip
Flatline-Lowriders
Belgium

Right now I'm not running any filters on my IDA's but I want to get the Berg velocity stacks that are made to fit a specific K&N filter.  Pricey though.

What is BERG asking for those?  I did not realize they had some like that.  I will have to check them out. My short manifolds and eyebrow decklid now give me the room for a set of them.

Rick M

Wouldn't hurt to ask..when I worked there with Andy, we didn't make any of those, just the regular stacks, tall and short for their carb's and the standard 48IDA's . But I did see those there and was very impressive. This was 5 years ago.

Ted

I saw the ad and picture on the Samba.  The ad was placed om Nov. 23rd 2010 so I think it's current.  I haven't called and talked to the Bergs about thhese as I'm not ready to buy them (don't have the money right now). IMO, To me these look like the best filters out there if you want to run filters on your IDA's. Expen$ive though. The link below should help.

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=634315

Here's a link to the filters that fit the Velocity stacks.

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=675767

cool item!!

I have now installed the engine, to see how much space I got. I doesn´t look good..

I can´t use the K&N filters, they are to wide, and maybe to high too.

The Berg filters look´s great, but they are also expensive. So I am thinking about making something like that, but where I am using my own stacks.

Thanks too all of you, who have replied to this thread.

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If you can fabricate/modify your own stacks no problem then ! Dig into K&N's motorcycle page and you will find filter-dimensions to suit your needs.

Yes I think I will buy some filter elements and then fabricate my own top and bottom.

Have You tried Ram flow for IDAs? With Standard velocity stacks should fir under the hood.
I just love the look of Ram-flow filters.
(http://www.dellorto.co.uk/editor/uploads/images/ramfloIDA.jpg)

The problem is that I don´t have space for the ramflo's. So I think I will use my pro-stacks and a panel-filter. Then I will make my own air-filter-box. I think that will be a better solution, than use an oval-filter. I want the filter-area as big as possible, and with the air-direction as straight as possible in to the carb.

An alternative could be to use the mesh filters, but I am afraid they don´t clean the air well enough.

I ran the mesh style filters on my motor while it was a daily driver. No noticable difference running 2054, mild heads, 120 cam and 40 vents. What you cant see is that there is actually 3 or 4 layers of mesh. The layer in the middle is much finer than the outer layers, creating a very acceptible filtering effect, and they are simple to remove and service. I'd still have them on if Sadler hadn't given us those ultra cool DKP covers!!  ;D ;D

What filters are that?

those bergs cost almost as much as the carbs, $550 for stacks and filters. :o

  I know, that's why I don't have a set!!!  They're so nice though.....