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Title: How do you run a smaller 356 dyno on a type1 engine?????? Post by: Lee.C on January 20, 2011, 04:58:07 am Well again as the title says guys I have been thinking about running a smaller 356 dyno on my next type1 engine - I have seen it done a couple of time now namely on Pete's 1795cc Raptor motor (anyone got any pic's?)
So I am wondering whats involved ??? What parts do I need ??? Which dyno stand ??? which pulley's ??? which fan/backing plate etc ??? Any help would be awesome guys :) Title: Re: How do you run a smaller 356 dyno on a type1 engine?????? Post by: edcraig on January 20, 2011, 06:25:50 am It was a Bosch # GR26x. A 12v generator, thats the same size as a 6v VW generator. Just get a 6V generator stand, Pulley, and 6v generator tin.
Title: Re: How do you run a smaller 356 dyno on a type1 engine?????? Post by: Lee.C on January 20, 2011, 12:32:41 pm It was a Bosch # GR26x. A 12v generator, thats the same size as a 6v VW generator. Just get a 6V generator stand, Pulley, and 6v generator tin. Cool Thanks Ed - Thats just what I needed :) Anyone got a pic ??? :) Title: Re: How do you run a smaller 356 dyno on a type1 engine?????? Post by: Dave Galassi on January 20, 2011, 14:23:51 pm It was a Bosch # GR26x. A 12v generator, thats the same size as a 6v VW generator. Just get a 6V generator stand, Pulley, and 6v generator tin. Cool Thanks Ed - Thats just what I needed :) Anyone got a pic ??? :) Title: Re: How do you run a smaller 356 dyno on a type1 engine?????? Post by: ovaldriver56 on January 20, 2011, 14:58:09 pm I love that manifold :-*
Title: Re: How do you run a smaller 356 dyno on a type1 engine?????? Post by: Zach Gomulka on January 20, 2011, 16:51:11 pm The early backing plate is recessed and calls for an early narrow fan, correct? I would assume that a '66 backing plate would be flat, allow for a wider fan, and fit the 6v diameter dyno(?).
Good thinking, Lee. I've always thought that would be a great idea on a '66 and earlier car. Title: Re: How do you run a smaller 356 dyno on a type1 engine?????? Post by: Lee.C on January 21, 2011, 22:29:15 pm Good point on the fan Zach :-\
Anyone got any thoughts on Fanhousing/Fan ??? ??? ??? Maybe someone who know's Pete's engine might drop in and help - Please ;) :) Title: Re: How do you run a smaller 356 dyno on a type1 engine?????? Post by: Lee.C on January 21, 2011, 22:36:46 pm I know this is a 6v dyno but the fanhousing looks interesting :-\ :)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/porsche-356-fan-shroud-6V-generator-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem230d9c77b5QQitemZ150552213429QQptZVintageQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories Title: Re: How do you run a smaller 356 dyno on a type1 engine?????? Post by: Ron Greiner on January 21, 2011, 22:50:22 pm that is a 356 - 912 fan shroud and a 6 volt generator
Title: Re: How do you run a smaller 356 dyno on a type1 engine?????? Post by: Ron Greiner on January 21, 2011, 23:02:14 pm The early backing plate is recessed and calls for an early narrow fan, correct? I would assume that a '66 backing plate would be flat, allow for a wider fan, and fit the 6v diameter dyno(?). This would not allow the use of the later doghouse fanGood thinking, Lee. I've always thought that would be a great idea on a '66 and earlier car. Title: Re: How do you run a smaller 356 dyno on a type1 engine?????? Post by: Lee.C on January 22, 2011, 00:27:06 am So I guess the main question is.... Where do I find an original Bosch # GR26x. A 12v generator :-\ ??? :)
Title: Re: How do you run a smaller 356 dyno on a type1 engine?????? Post by: cel on January 22, 2011, 01:52:47 am So I guess the main question is.... Where do I find an original Bosch # GR26x. A 12v generator :-\ ??? :) Hi! Here are some 90mm 12v generators in shops which i think should work, but there are different types (with i think like 25a, 30a and 38amps) depends how many "elecrical users" (dont know the english name) you have in the car. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Porsche-912-356-VW-BOSCH-Generator-12V-25Amp-90mm-/350432766827 http://shop.volkswarenhaus.de/product_info.php/info/p2838_Generator-12V-90-mm-Diameter.html http://www.ge-ma-classics-shop.de/product_info.php/products_id/10/cPath/13_204/lichtmaschine-kaefer-u-co/lima-lichtmaschine-12v-kaefer-bus-porsche-30ps-typ1.html http://www.beetle-factory-shop.de/product_info.php?info=p202269_Lichtmaschine-Gleichstrom-12-V---38-A.html nice greetings Marcel Title: Re: How do you run a smaller 356 dyno on a type1 engine?????? Post by: speedwell on January 22, 2011, 13:00:47 pm lee i've some picture of pete's engine
i took those because i was thinking doing the same for my engine ;) Title: Re: How do you run a smaller 356 dyno on a type1 engine?????? Post by: Lee.C on January 22, 2011, 15:55:30 pm lee i've some picture of pete's engine i took those because i was thinking doing the same for my engine ;) Well where are they then ??? ;) ;) :) Title: Re: How do you run a smaller 356 dyno on a type1 engine?????? Post by: speedwell on January 22, 2011, 21:43:59 pm lee i've some picture of pete's engine i took those because i was thinking doing the same for my engine ;) Well where are they then ??? ;) ;) :) in my archive ;D ;D Title: Re: How do you run a smaller 356 dyno on a type1 engine?????? Post by: speedwell on January 22, 2011, 21:58:22 pm just for you lee ;)
Title: Re: How do you run a smaller 356 dyno on a type1 engine?????? Post by: TexasTom on January 22, 2011, 22:36:13 pm Nice and simple.
Title: Re: How do you run a smaller 356 dyno on a type1 engine?????? Post by: Nico86 on January 23, 2011, 17:36:28 pm Fabs the paint on this engine tin is the same effect as the wrinkle paint you bought ?
Title: Re: How do you run a smaller 356 dyno on a type1 engine?????? Post by: Lee.C on January 23, 2011, 19:32:29 pm Fabs the paint on this engine tin is the same effect as the wrinkle paint you bought ? Its very similar to the rattle can stuff BUT I know Ian/pete had it done by an old skool Ferrari guy - This stuff is ALOT more toxic :o ;) I think I'll be asking Ian to get me a few bits done for the Roller Crank Motor ;D Anyway back on topic - let have more info/pic's of 356 style dynamo's/Generators ;) Title: Re: How do you run a smaller 356 dyno on a type1 engine?????? Post by: Zach Gomulka on January 23, 2011, 21:34:22 pm So, are all 6v backing plates recessed, requiring the use of the narrow fan?
Title: Re: How do you run a smaller 356 dyno on a type1 engine?????? Post by: Nico86 on January 23, 2011, 21:44:42 pm Thanks Lee ;)
Title: Re: How do you run a smaller 356 dyno on a type1 engine?????? Post by: Peter Shattock on January 23, 2011, 22:31:33 pm Lee,
Mine is a 25a version from a 356 mate of mine who had a spare. The backing plate is also from the same engine but the fan is a wide welded version in a CSP non dog house fanshroud. There was no drama fitting it although I may have just got lucky, but it was just a bolt on job and the fan belt lined and the fan fitted in the fanshroud a treat. The crinkle powder coating is a really good job by a couple of really nice guys running a small firm in Farnborough North Camp, and I have no hesitation in recomending them, and it wasn't very much money either if you do all the prep and just give it to them ready to go. It seams to be hard wearing as well I've had the motor out 4 times this year trying to find a suitable clutch (3 of which were at the track) so its had a bit of a rough introduction to life in my car but its still looks in good shape. I'll dig out their number if your interested. If you get one at it needs rebuilding or checking there is a good firm in Essex Phil West and I used to rebuild ours, again I'll dig out the number if your interested. One other thing worth mentioning is the regulator, as I understand it can be difficult to get a regulator to suit the higher output generators. I know Lucas (55 oval OG paint and OG BRM's) has one on his and has had a problem with his regulator but Ian has something sorted now, but I'm not sure what or where from so you are best off speaking to him if you end up with one with a higher out put than the VW regulator. Just for the record the height out put generators are heavier than the 25A ones. Peter Title: Re: How do you run a smaller 356 dyno on a type1 engine?????? Post by: Peter Shattock on January 23, 2011, 22:37:53 pm I forgot to say...... Fabs, the man with a photo for every occasion. Is there no end to the depths of his archive!
I kept meaning to take some pictures of the engine, but I needn't of worried. Need a picture just call Fabs! Peter Title: Re: How do you run a smaller 356 dyno on a type1 engine?????? Post by: Lee.C on January 23, 2011, 23:29:03 pm Cool Thanks for dropping in Pete ;D
I was hoping there was a "simple" solution - I had kinda worked out it was the 25a one you need, I had also read about the regulator issues - I am gonna be using a Magneto so I am sure I will be fine with the 25a unit :) Better start looking/saving :) Title: Re: How do you run a smaller 356 dyno on a type1 engine?????? Post by: Pas on January 24, 2011, 00:00:13 am Cool Thanks for dropping in Pete ;D I was hoping there was a "simple" solution - I had kinda worked out it was the 25a one you need, I had also read about the regulator issues - I am gonna be using a Magneto so I am sure I will be fine with the 25a unit :) Better start looking/saving :) Is this what your after ? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350432766827&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT EDIT : Apologies Marcel (cel) just spotted that you have already posted this. :-[ Title: Re: How do you run a smaller 356 dyno on a type1 engine?????? Post by: Pas on January 24, 2011, 00:15:11 am Also from the same people.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VW-Generator-12Volts-GR11X-Replacement-6Volt-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem41542daa1dQQitemZ280585153053QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories Or with a Bosch regulator. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VW-Generator-12Volts-GR11X-Replacement-6Volt-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem3cb16c2ffeQQitemZ260674695166QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories Maybe some of you Cali guys have experience dealing with this company ? Title: Re: How do you run a smaller 356 dyno on a type1 engine?????? Post by: Lee.C on January 24, 2011, 01:30:40 am Yeah seen those and thats the type of Regulator I am trying to avoid - it looks SOOOOOOOOOOO wrong :)
Plus I thought it was the GR26X model we are looking for :-\ :) Title: Re: How do you run a smaller 356 dyno on a type1 engine?????? Post by: Pas on January 24, 2011, 02:05:50 am Yeah seen those and thats the type of Regulator I am trying to avoid - it looks SOOOOOOOOOOO wrong :) Plus I thought it was the GR26X model we are looking for :-\ :) How about this then, think it is a GR26X or is it a 530 ? :-\ , check the price :o. Might be worth checking with Pete if his dyno is a GR26X as there seems to be several Bosch model numbers for late 356/early 912 dyno's. Agree with you about that regulator, not nice. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Porsche-912-356-BOSCH-Generator-Small-90MM-Case-12Volt-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem3cadd5b4a9QQitemZ260614501545QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories Title: Re: How do you run a smaller 356 dyno on a type1 engine?????? Post by: speedwell on January 24, 2011, 16:11:17 pm I forgot to say...... Fabs, the man with a photo for every occasion. Is there no end to the depths of his archive! I kept meaning to take some pictures of the engine, but I needn't of worried. Need a picture just call Fabs! Peter :D :D :D thx peter Title: Re: How do you run a smaller 356 dyno on a type1 engine?????? Post by: Lee.C on January 24, 2011, 16:58:44 pm Yeah seen those and thats the type of Regulator I am trying to avoid - it looks SOOOOOOOOOOO wrong :) Plus I thought it was the GR26X model we are looking for :-\ :) How about this then, think it is a GR26X or is it a 530 ? :-\ , check the price :o. Might be worth checking with Pete if his dyno is a GR26X as there seems to be several Bosch model numbers for late 356/early 912 dyno's. Agree with you about that regulator, not nice. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Porsche-912-356-BOSCH-Generator-Small-90MM-Case-12Volt-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem3cadd5b4a9QQitemZ260614501545QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories Unfortunetly thats the price of looking COOL ;) I am gonna have to look into this a little more, Also Pete - could you please PM the contact details for the wrinkle finish guy - Cheers :) Title: Re: How do you run a smaller 356 dyno on a type1 engine?????? Post by: Heebah on January 25, 2011, 14:34:46 pm You can always use a fake D-regulator and hide the original ugly-one somewhere.[attachment=2][attachment=1]
-tOmi aka Heebah- PS Are you moving to Norway or is it just a rumor? Title: Re: How do you run a smaller 356 dyno on a type1 engine?????? Post by: Dave Rosique on January 27, 2011, 23:25:57 pm Check your PM's Lee.
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