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this could be a fun thread. Talk about some notable race engines from motorsports history

ok guys- have at it

Gordini engines  8)

Was fitted on the Renault 8 Gordini and Alpine A110 (and many more french cars). The best french machinery, wins rallyes, F1 Grand Prix, Le Mans...

http://www.renault.com/en/passionsport/pages/gordini-la-marque-d-un-sorcier.aspx

Great pic. Left : Jean Rédélé creator of the Alpine, and right Amédée Gordini and one of his engine. These two people are considered in France like Gene Berg, Dean Lowry or Joe Vittone are considered in the VW world.

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good pick! Renault headed up turbo era of F1 in what, 1977? (!) And their F1 V6 utilized a timing belt to drive cams... unheard of for a race motor. I remember Alain Prost and Rene Arnoux in the RE30B's...
what is the V8 in the first picture, I don't recognize that?

http://gtfrance.free.fr/gordini_v8.html

It was the Gordini V8 3 liters prototype from 66/67 that was first supposed to be a F1 engine, but finally it was used on track and endurance Alpine's A220 and A221 in 68 and 69. You can see it already has the timing belts to drive the 4 cams.

Here's a link with the results of these cars : http://alpinerenault.free.fr/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=76&Itemid=85 I never really figured what were the differences between the A220 and the A221, something about the tail I guess.

By the way it wasn't used in F1 because the french president at this time decided to give money to help Matra-Simca to build the french F1 car, instead of Alpine-Renault-Gordini.

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Awesome. I wonder if the venture between Citroen and Maserati to develop the 90 deg V6 (think SM or Merak) was based on what Renault-Gordini was doing. Though that motor wasn't really a full blooded race motor, actually it's kind of a bit of a slug.

I don't know, maybe they took some unofficial "inspiration" in Gordini's works. Looks like the SM's V6 engine was created during the first years of collaboration between Peugeot, Renault and Volvo for their PRV V6 engine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRV_engine. But at this time Citroën wasn't a part of Peugeot (it was effective in 1975), and until Gordini died in 1979 he was legally linked to work for Renault and for Renault's projects only (then after he died Renault took all the benefit and credit of Gordini's team's works, and made his name dissapear, like they did later with Alpine and Jean Rédélé, and they did it again more recently with Matra  >:() That must be why Citroën ask for help from Italy.

Talking about the PRV V6, this engine must have benefit a lot from Gordin's work on the previous V8 and on the V6s he developped for Renault F1 and track cars.

Like the Renault-Gordini CH1 used on the Alpine A440 (was also a 90 degree V6 like the PRV) :

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This modified engine wins Le Mans in 78 with the Alpine A442 :

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It was also used un Formula 2 and Formula Renault, and Turbocharged for F1 on the Renault RS01 :

(http://b.f1-facts.com/ul/a/3583)

And another thing I don't understand from Renault : thanks to Gordini they had some great engine that allows Renault to have their name on the world of motorsport and sportscars. But never on any Renault or Alpine-Renault race car, never there was written the name of Gordini. It was never mentionned in any publications from Renault taking glory of their wins in motorsports. Then When Gordini died his team was disbanded and integrated in Renault-Sport and they took all the credit and all the benefit of his work. Gordini also played a major role in the conception of the Renault 5 Alpine Turbo, that became later the rear-mid engined Renault 5 Turbo.
And they did almost the same with Alpine and Jean Rédélé, and with Matra (and for these 2 it's even worse because I'm sure they make the companies fail on purpose, but it's a long story).

If you take a look on Alpine-Renault sports car, powered with Gordini engines. Renault played a minor part in this but took all the benefits in glory and money. If only Jean Rédélé and Amédé Gordini had enough means to build their own race car before signing contracts with Renault : one would have done the car, and the other the engine... I'm sure they would have had a lot of success without Renault.

There are 3 I think had major impact.

1. Lotus F1

2. Cosworth and Ford road and Rally cars

3. Honda Vtec F1 and NSX

This picture says it all -- and very nicely thank you

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Waste of a perfectly good cammer   >:(

No Love for the Flat 12?  ???

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 ::) ;D

For me it is difficult to talk about race engines without mentioning the fantastic Cosworth CA. With a low budget compared to the competitors Cosworth produced a winner capable of 20 000 rpms between 305 and 315 bhp per litre. Still considered one of the best F1 engines of all times:

http://www.racecar-engineering.com/articles/f1/inside-an-f1-engine/

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Best rgs
BB

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Is that the engine of these cars?

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Coventry Climax FWMV

Porsche 771

Alfa Romeo Type 115 flat 12

Mercedes W196 desmodromic, direct injected, Hirth roller bearing crank

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AH9f_Sy-cs

Alfa Romeo 1951 Tipo 159 (1.5L, 450hp @ 9200....yes 1951) 8)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1yP4xUXfFY

Never Never never -- There is something to be said about having a boat down on the colorado River during Spring Break and having some young-ens in the boat bouncing across the wake with you

That may be true but you would get the same result with a much more common motor like a rat or an elephant

That cammer needs to be in a Fairlane or a lightweight Galaxie

Cosworth Ford BDA

http://www.youtube.com/v/fZMPDCNyQxE?fs=1&hl=en_US&rel=0

http://www.youtube.com/v/RBKUQPjQ16I?fs=1&hl=en_US&rel=0

BRM - Nice sound and that`s about it.

400 HP pr liter... without EFI... in 1947... takes a lot to impress you BB...

If it only worked  ::)

Although the engine/car was fast and powerful this was achieved, at least early on, at the expense of reliability, the engine suffering from water leaks into the cylinders due to the use of a separate head/block assembly, most previous supercharged engines using a combined unit, the V16 head-block union being unable to survive the high pressures involved leading to warpage and lifting of the head.

Number of Grands Prix 4
Number of starts 2
Number of finishes 2
Number of finishes in points 1

After the fiasco of the Ulster Trophy in June 1952, where both BRM V16-powered Type 15's failed to finish, Stirling Moss wrote to Raymond Mays telling him that he did not want to drive the car in the state that it was, given its lack of reliability.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-5ACT0_I0s&feature=player_embedded

Good old VW HP lol

How about one of these little rascals....reported to make 1000 hp/Ltr in qualifying trim.

ford cosworth motor built in the early 90's if memory serves me it was pushing out about 1000hp

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was fitted in this and raced in thunder saloons

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Australian Mcgee quad cam topfuel car raced in europe in the early 90's

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Don't forget these.

 
http://www.youtube.com/embed/nHVaeULSuO0

Nelson Piquet...yeah dude... I remember!  8)

[attachment=3] May I be allowed to submit the quintessential American racing engine?    The Miller.

This engine and its variants raced successfully at Indy and scores of dirt and board tracks
for 60 years.

IMHO the founding fathers of Hot Rodding in southern Calif. stood on the
shoulders of Miller, Goossen, Offenhauser and others to create the hobby we
all enjoy.

Honda Racing has had some great accomplishments. The RC 166 is one of my favorites.
6 cylinder, 250cc, 41x31mm bore and stroke, 60 hp @ 18,000 rpm and a 7 speed gearbox. Pretty cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaRop_ZMwo0

There is a "Speed Zone" (go karts a drag racing place) off the 60 Freeway that has a rail in there on display with the McGee heads on it -- way cool

Maserati 450S

Here's a couple of my favorites.

Mine too /\
Bugatti motors are like jewelry

this one does something for me too

Cool site for race Porsche 6 cylinder stuff
http://www.pbase.com/9146gt/906_engine

Yep!

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Amazing performance considering the quality of their pre war aluminum was equivalent to modern lawn furniture.

I had the privilege of watching one run @ Laguna Seca, unfortunately the driver (museum director) did two laps at a fast idle and parked it.
Conversely when MBZ brought over a W196 (W163?) and a SLR, the likes of Fangio and Moss were allowed to put the boot to them...priceless.

and in case one Alfa motor isn't enough..... :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME3m1Rz2RzE

Russ Collins and his engines.

As i had a Fiat 131 for my 1st and 2nd car. Also had a 130 Abarth Strada, 128 3P and a X19 with Lancia 2Ltr twin cam in it.

I still have a soft spot for the Fiat twin cam.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP0asTbTY3I

Hideo "Pop's " Yoshimura.
Pops build a Suzuki engine/bike/frame within a hundred days, and they (Wess Cooley) wheelied with engine problems just for pleasing the crowd thru the Le Mans 24 Hours.

Another example of too much motor and not enough chassis. Even the great marque Bugatti found
that intuition could not compete with engineering.

This was a standard road car 1.5 engine with a big turbo fitted to it....
I read somewhere that even the people at BMW where amazed about its performance and strength.

Cool posts

I love to reference these motors when fellow motor heads start boasting about their favorites. 1500 bhp from a 1500cc (91 cid) stock block (steel)
is still hard to beat even for a AA/FD, which survives seconds versus minutes. Not to be ignored, Honda produced hp figures in qualifying trim close if
not equal to BMW.

The Alfetta 1.5 grand prix straight 8 was the pre-cursor to the "turbo era" orbital hp #'s... unreal for its era, and long stroke/rods. I cringe thinking of piston speed and cylinder pressure of that little monster.

a 13 B Rotary from Mazda N/A

 ;D

Amazing performances have been coaxed out of those rotary engines, but holy crap they have to be one of the least pleasing-to-the-ear types of noises ever!  Lol.  Still, amazing times have been turned out by rotary-equipped cars.

Yes, it was based on a road engine but all the parts was special made to be able to take up to 5 bar (70psi) of boost in qualification mode. Here is a dyno paper at "only" 3 bar of boost:

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It also helped that it was runing on toulene: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toluene

Toluene can be used as an octane booster in gasoline fuels used in internal combustion engines. Toluene at 86% by volume fueled all the turbo Formula 1 teams in the 1980s, first pioneered by the Honda team. The remaining 14% was a "filler" of n-heptane, to reduce the octane to meet Formula 1 fuel restrictions. Toluene at 100% can be used as a fuel for both two-stroke and four-stroke engines; however, due to the density of the fuel and other factors, the fuel does not vaporize easily unless preheated to 70 degrees Celsius (Honda accomplished this in their Formula 1 cars by routing the fuel lines through the muffler system to heat the fuel). Toluene also poses similar problems as alcohol fuels, as it eats through standard rubber fuel lines and has no lubricating properties, as standard gasoline does,[citation needed] which can break down fuel pumps and cause upper cylinder bore wear.

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27-litre V12!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phUqLe6pm9E&feature=player_embedded

Cast Iron 392 Chrysler on 90 -95% Nitro, resin filled water jackets in the block, Mondello Heads, Gene Adams-Hilborn Injection, Al Barnes dry sump, Howards rods, Venolia Pistons mated to a ClutchFlight by Art Carr out to Ford 9" rear end. I helped my dad do the tinwork on this car when I was about 8 years old.....I got to grow up at Lions, Original Irwindale, then OCIR, Ontario and Pomona. What a bitchen childhood...love you Dad