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Title: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: Derjava66 on March 08, 2011, 04:13:45 am Hey guys I am on a search to find some detailed pictures of John Luzenby of Dkp 1's 63 sedan known as butternutt. I would love if I could get ahould of some pics of the interior as well as the engine compartment. Any help would be greatly appreciated. you can post them here or send them to my email adress. thanks in advance
Eric Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: Rick Meredith on March 08, 2011, 04:27:36 am Hey guys I am on a search to find some detailed pictures of John Luzenby of Dkp 1's 63 sedan known as butternutt. I would love if I could get ahould of some pics of the interior as well as the engine compartment. Any help would be greatly appreciated. you can post them here or send them to my email adress. thanks in advance Eric Hey Eric Use the search function to get you started. There's quite a few pics of John's car on here. His last name is Lazenby . John is a regular participant here too. Rick Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: Rennsurfer on March 08, 2011, 04:43:47 am Ditto what Rick posted... you should (in theory) have no problem finding that on this site, Eric. Such a cool car!
Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: speedwell on March 08, 2011, 10:47:26 am eric i never seen any pictures of the engine compartment and of the inside of the car , john posted some pictures of the 63 before it was paint in butternut
rgd fabs Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: butterskotch on March 08, 2011, 14:24:31 pm Hey,
I've been researching this car for a good few years and are still to come across any photos on the engine or inside. The reason I have been after the photos for so long is that I'm currently in the process of build a replica/car inspiried by the original. I've been building the car for the last 8 - 10 years on and off and its currently in the fitting up stage. I've only had the fully painted shell back for 2 months from my friend who painted it the correct colour ;) Heres a few shots of the car, and yes it's definately the correct Corvette Warbonnet Yellow paint even tho it looks completely different in the photos. Its a colour that changes in different lights. (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y221/vw_butterskotch/butternutt%2001/DSC09990.jpg) Bring the shell home (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y221/vw_butterskotch/butternutt%2001/DSC00125.jpg) Slow process of bolting it all together. If you really need the shots of the original Butternut, you'd be best messaging John Lazenby on here and asking him if he has any. I did ask him the same questions in about 2002 but at the time he couldnt remember if he had any. He did however give me a great detail discription on the interior and the engine combinations he ran. Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: Sarge on March 08, 2011, 14:38:51 pm Here's a shot of the asthmatic Holley two-barrel combo John ran for a short time...
Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: Sarge on March 08, 2011, 14:40:54 pm Before it was Butternutt, it was Firemist Green...
Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: Rennsurfer on March 08, 2011, 14:50:13 pm Always liked that shot of John in the sunroof when the car was green, Sarge. Classic!
Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: speedwell on March 08, 2011, 15:56:16 pm Here's a shot of the asthmatic Holley two-barrel combo John ran for a short time... bro is that your old engine who was in the 63 ??? fabs ;) Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: speedwell on March 08, 2011, 16:07:37 pm ;)
Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: speedwell on March 08, 2011, 16:12:44 pm Hey, I've been researching this car for a good few years and are still to come across any photos on the engine or inside. The reason I have been after the photos for so long is that I'm currently in the process of build a replica/car inspiried by the original. I've been building the car for the last 8 - 10 years on and off and its currently in the fitting up stage. I've only had the fully painted shell back for 2 months from my friend who painted it the correct colour ;) Heres a few shots of the car, and yes it's definately the correct Corvette Warbonnet Yellow paint even tho it looks completely different in the photos. Its a colour that changes in different lights. (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y221/vw_butterskotch/butternutt%2001/DSC09990.jpg) Bring the shell home (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y221/vw_butterskotch/butternutt%2001/DSC00125.jpg) Slow process of bolting it all together. If you really need the shots of the original Butternut, you'd be best messaging John Lazenby on here and asking him if he has any. I did ask him the same questions in about 2002 but at the time he couldnt remember if he had any. He did however give me a great detail discription on the interior and the engine combinations he ran. car looks good ,don't forget to post the works thx fabs Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: Sarge on March 08, 2011, 16:23:02 pm Here's a shot of the asthmatic Holley two-barrel combo John ran for a short time... bro is that your old engine who was in the 63 ??? fabs ;) No.... a lot of us ran the same set-up back then. Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: speedwell on March 08, 2011, 16:28:51 pm Here's a shot of the asthmatic Holley two-barrel combo John ran for a short time... bro is that your old engine who was in the 63 ??? fabs ;) No.... a lot of us ran the same set-up back then. i said that because stickers are in the same and the coil is in the same place too ;D ;D Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: Neil Davies on March 08, 2011, 16:45:50 pm Hey, I've been researching this car for a good few years and are still to come across any photos on the engine or inside. The reason I have been after the photos for so long is that I'm currently in the process of build a replica/car inspiried by the original. I've been building the car for the last 8 - 10 years on and off and its currently in the fitting up stage. I've only had the fully painted shell back for 2 months from my friend who painted it the correct colour ;) Heres a few shots of the car, and yes it's definately the correct Corvette Warbonnet Yellow paint even tho it looks completely different in the photos. Its a colour that changes in different lights. If you really need the shots of the original Butternut, you'd be best messaging John Lazenby on here and asking him if he has any. I did ask him the same questions in about 2002 but at the time he couldnt remember if he had any. He did however give me a great detail discription on the interior and the engine combinations he ran. Afternoon Brad! Is that the third paint job or the fourth? ;) :D Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: Zach Gomulka on March 08, 2011, 16:46:28 pm Such a delicious looking car that is. The only Beetle I've seen that looks right with no bumpers whatsoever.
Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: Rick Meredith on March 08, 2011, 17:33:18 pm Hey, I've been researching this car for a good few years and are still to come across any photos on the engine or inside. The reason I have been after the photos for so long is that I'm currently in the process of build a replica/car inspiried by the original. I've been building the car for the last 8 - 10 years on and off and its currently in the fitting up stage. I've only had the fully painted shell back for 2 months from my friend who painted it the correct colour ;) Heres a few shots of the car, and yes it's definately the correct Corvette Warbonnet Yellow paint even tho it looks completely different in the photos. Its a colour that changes in different lights. (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y221/vw_butterskotch/butternutt%2001/DSC09990.jpg) Bring the shell home (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y221/vw_butterskotch/butternutt%2001/DSC00125.jpg) Slow process of bolting it all together. If you really need the shots of the original Butternut, you'd be best messaging John Lazenby on here and asking him if he has any. I did ask him the same questions in about 2002 but at the time he couldnt remember if he had any. He did however give me a great detail discription on the interior and the engine combinations he ran. Wow... that's nice! Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: johnl on March 08, 2011, 17:39:57 pm Here's a shot of the asthmatic Holley two-barrel combo John ran for a short time... Okay guys, I'm here and will try to fill in some blanks. First, Jim, this is not my engine or my car. The 69x88 with the BugSpray was only in the car when it was Firemist Green. I never had aluminium panels in the compartment and never had my coil mounted off the fan housing. I suspect this may be Mike (Lar Lar) Larsen's car which was also a gold, but a later example. I'm thinking about a 1968 vintage. I don't know if Lar Lar is on this site, but I see him at Nick's on a regular basis. I'll check to see if I can contact him for further verification. I'll respond to more of this in future post. John Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: johnl on March 08, 2011, 17:51:09 pm Always liked that shot of John in the sunroof when the car was green, Sarge. Classic! I remember that day as if it were yesterday. ;D Little did I know that Jim (Sarge) was documenting history and has continued to do so all of these years. This era with Jim and the other guys holds a very special place in my heart and I thank him (Jim) so much for making the effort to take these photos. Over the years I've actually driven to Pinehurst St. in La Habra and savored the memories. Great times and a great friend I've been gifted with. Oh, and his sister Mary Ann was a real sweetie and would be the other special girl friend in my life besides my number one girl, Christie. I've been blessed with a good memory, but Jim had the vision to document so much history that has become so important to me and I hope others in these later years. Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: johnl on March 08, 2011, 17:55:53 pm Hey guys I am on a search to find some detailed pictures of John Luzenby of Dkp 1's 63 sedan known as butternutt. I would love if I could get ahould of some pics of the interior as well as the engine compartment. Any help would be greatly appreciated. you can post them here or send them to my email adress. thanks in advance Eric Eric and all, I'm still looking as the one thing I now realize that I didn't do well was document this kind of stuff. I can see the interior in great detail and can tell it to you, but it still is not like a photo. I'm not saying there aren't any photos, but I do remember some and hopefully just haven't found them yet. Should anyone want detailed information on the interior or engine compartment, please as the specifics and I'll do my best to provide the answers. Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: Sarge on March 08, 2011, 18:06:48 pm Here's a shot of the asthmatic Holley two-barrel combo John ran for a short time... Okay guys, I'm here and will try to fill in some blanks. First, Jim, this is not my engine or my car. The 69x88 with the BugSpray was only in the car when it was Firemist Green. I never had aluminium panels in the compartment and never had my coil mounted off the fan housing. I suspect this may be Mike (Lar Lar) Larsen's car which was also a gold, but a later example. I'm thinking about a 1968 vintage. I don't know if Lar Lar is on this site, but I see him at Nick's on a regular basis. I'll check to see if I can contact him for further verification. I'll respond to more of this in future post. John WOW, I would have sworn that was your motor.... but you'd know better then me! :-[ From the date of the pic, it has to be Larson's rig... you had IDA's by then. Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: johnl on March 08, 2011, 18:15:24 pm The photos of the recreation are GREAT 8) 8) 8) 8) The only thing I can see that is definitely different are the Nerf Bars. I never had them and to this day am still not a fan of them. Originally all bumper holes were filled along with the exhaust ports and side and hood trim.
Within a year or so after the car was done and in use I was stopped by the Anaheim Police on Harbor just below Disneyland and when the "young" officer got out I can still hear him saying "I hate to do this to you, but you have got to have bumpers". An equipment ticket was writ en and the car went back to Becker's Bug House and the main bracket holes were opened and I installed a straight blade. This is what I refer to as the beginning of the end for me as I thought it just destroyed the clean look of the car that I'd tried to achieve and it wasn't to long after that the car went up for sale and in a short time it was gone. I've told the story before, but the car with a 78.4 Okrasa with 88's, 42 DCNF9 Webers, Ron Fleming heads, S&S headers, (5) real American's, Becker's paint job (second one in the Warbonnet Gold), Brad's interior including a custom sunroof, complete trunk with a separate storage for valuables and a custom bra in the same brown as the sunroof and the list goes on and on went away for $1600. Pardon me while I throw up >:( >:( >:( >:( Within six months the new owner had rolled the car and it was destroyed. Roger Grago and some others were able to salvage some of the parts including the wheels. I saw the car sitting in a yard and it made me sick. That was 10.5 years of my life GONE..... Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: Zach Gomulka on March 08, 2011, 18:36:05 pm Ouch :'(
Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: johnl on March 08, 2011, 18:58:14 pm Here's a shot of the asthmatic Holley two-barrel combo John ran for a short time... Okay guys, I'm here and will try to fill in some blanks. First, Jim, this is not my engine or my car. The 69x88 with the BugSpray was only in the car when it was Firemist Green. I never had aluminium panels in the compartment and never had my coil mounted off the fan housing. I suspect this may be Mike (Lar Lar) Larsen's car which was also a gold, but a later example. I'm thinking about a 1968 vintage. I don't know if Lar Lar is on this site, but I see him at Nick's on a regular basis. I'll check to see if I can contact him for further verification. I'll respond to more of this in future post. John WOW, I would have sworn that was your motor.... but you'd know better then me! :-[ From the date of the pic, it has to be Larson's rig... you had IDA's by then. Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: butterskotch on March 09, 2011, 12:19:01 pm Quote Posted on: March 08, 2011, 16:45:50 PM Posted by: Neil Davies Afternoon Brad! Is that the third paint job or the fourth? Hey Neil, This is the 3rd time the cars been painted this colour and it still hasn't seen the road. Think I might have OCD when it comes to building this car! ;D The paint job this time round really is that much better than the previous 2, plus i know for certain that it is the right colour now. Just a shame a had to wait 18 months for the paint job to be done, you cant rush your mates now can you! ;) Brad Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: butterskotch on March 09, 2011, 12:39:38 pm The photos of the recreation are GREAT 8) 8) 8) 8) The only thing I can see that is definitely different are the Nerf Bars. I never had them and to this day am still not a fan of them. Originally all bumper holes were filled along with the exhaust ports and side and hood trim. Within a year or so after the car was done and in use I was stopped by the Anaheim Police on Harbor just below Disneyland and when the "young" officer got out I can still hear him saying "I hate to do this to you, but you have got to have bumpers". An equipment ticket was writ en and the car went back to Becker's Bug House and the main bracket holes were opened and I installed a straight blade. This is what I refer to as the beginning of the end for me as I thought it just destroyed the clean look of the car that I'd tried to achieve and it wasn't to long after that the car went up for sale and in a short time it was gone. I've told the story before, but the car with a 78.4 Okrasa with 88's, 42 DCNF9 Webers, Ron Fleming heads, S&S headers, (5) real American's, Becker's paint job (second one in the Warbonnet Gold), Brad's interior including a custom sunroof, complete trunk with a separate storage for valuables and a custom bra in the same brown as the sunroof and the list goes on and on went away for $1600. Pardon me while I throw up >:( >:( >:( >:( Within six months the new owner had rolled the car and it was destroyed. Roger Grago and some others were able to salvage some of the parts including the wheels. I saw the car sitting in a yard and it made me sick. That was 10.5 years of my life GONE..... Hey John, Thanks for the kind words, if my car turns out half as nice as what yours was then I'll be a happy chap. There are a few noticeable changes on my car, the 1st as you pointed out are the rentension of the bumper holes, as i do like tbars and by having the holes there still it will allow me to change my mind and change the look of the car every now and then (plus i made both sets of Ali t bars and Ali towing eye brackets for the car). The 2nd noticeable change on mine is the placement of the front turn signals, I still have the Lucas turn signalsbut they are located slightly lower down the wing than what yours were. Mine are in the more traditional area of where the horn grills used to be, just my preference that's all. The 3rd noticeable change from your will be the A1 muffler which will b visible at the rear of the car. This might change as let depending on how it looks and if i can find a muffler set i think is better. Other than this the car should look very very similar to how yours looked from the outside. Underneath the car however will be different to yours. I have a rancho gearbox in there at the mo and i have a fully built 2276 ida motor built by Matt Keene waiting to go in the back. There will also be a lot of small detail work on the car too, like the hand made Ali brake scoops, 1 off Ali glove box and loads of other bits too. All I've got to do now is put it together.... Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: butterskotch on March 09, 2011, 12:49:03 pm Wow... that's nice! car looks good ,don't forget to post the works thx fabs Thanks guys for the kind words. Ive been meaning to do a build thread on this for a while now,as ive easily got a several hundred photos of the build process so far,its just finding the time. I'll get a thread started soon guys ;) Brad Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: danny gabbard on March 09, 2011, 17:24:38 pm Nice looking car !! More pictures would be great !! Again nice job !!
Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: speedwell on March 09, 2011, 18:30:52 pm The photos of the recreation are GREAT 8) 8) 8) 8) The only thing I can see that is definitely different are the Nerf Bars. I never had them and to this day am still not a fan of them. Originally all bumper holes were filled along with the exhaust ports and side and hood trim. Within a year or so after the car was done and in use I was stopped by the Anaheim Police on Harbor just below Disneyland and when the "young" officer got out I can still hear him saying "I hate to do this to you, but you have got to have bumpers". An equipment ticket was writ en and the car went back to Becker's Bug House and the main bracket holes were opened and I installed a straight blade. This is what I refer to as the beginning of the end for me as I thought it just destroyed the clean look of the car that I'd tried to achieve and it wasn't to long after that the car went up for sale and in a short time it was gone. I've told the story before, but the car with a 78.4 Okrasa with 88's, 42 DCNF9 Webers, Ron Fleming heads, S&S headers, (5) real American's, Becker's paint job (second one in the Warbonnet Gold), Brad's interior including a custom sunroof, complete trunk with a separate storage for valuables and a custom bra in the same brown as the sunroof and the list goes on and on went away for $1600. Pardon me while I throw up >:( >:( >:( >:( Within six months the new owner had rolled the car and it was destroyed. Roger Grago and some others were able to salvage some of the parts including the wheels. I saw the car sitting in a yard and it made me sick. That was 10.5 years of my life GONE..... Hey John, Thanks for the kind words, if my car turns out half as nice as what yours was then I'll be a happy chap. There are a few noticeable changes on my car, the 1st as you pointed out are the rentension of the bumper holes, as i do like tbars and by having the holes there still it will allow me to change my mind and change the look of the car every now and then (plus i made both sets of Ali t bars and Ali towing eye brackets for the car). The 2nd noticeable change on mine is the placement of the front turn signals, I still have the Lucas turn signalsbut they are located slightly lower down the wing than what yours were. Mine are in the more traditional area of where the horn grills used to be, just my preference that's all. The 3rd noticeable change from your will be the A1 muffler which will b visible at the rear of the car. This might change as let depending on how it looks and if i can find a muffler set i think is better. Other than this the car should look very very similar to how yours looked from the outside. Underneath the car however will be different to yours. I have a rancho gearbox in there at the mo and i have a fully built 2276 ida motor built by Matt Keene waiting to go in the back. There will also be a lot of small detail work on the car too, like the hand made Ali brake scoops, 1 off Ali glove box and loads of other bits too. All I've got to do now is put it together.... Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: johnl on March 09, 2011, 20:25:07 pm Hey John,
Thanks for the kind words, if my car turns out half as nice as what yours was then I'll be a happy chap. There are a few noticeable changes on my car, the 1st as you pointed out are the rentension of the bumper holes, as i do like tbars and by having the holes there still it will allow me to change my mind and change the look of the car every now and then (plus i made both sets of Ali t bars and Ali towing eye brackets for the car). The 2nd noticeable change on mine is the placement of the front turn signals, I still have the Lucas turn signalsbut they are located slightly lower down the wing than what yours were. Mine are in the more traditional area of where the horn grills used to be, just my preference that's all. The 3rd noticeable change from your will be the A1 muffler which will b visible at the rear of the car. This might change as let depending on how it looks and if i can find a muffler set i think is better. Other than this the car should look very very similar to how yours looked from the outside. Underneath the car however will be different to yours. I have a rancho gearbox in there at the mo and i have a fully built 2276 ida motor built by Matt Keene waiting to go in the back. There will also be a lot of small detail work on the car too, like the hand made Ali brake scoops, 1 off Ali glove box and loads of other bits too. All I've got to do now is put it together.... « Last Edit: Today at 06:13:27 by butterskotch » Change and updates are good. I'm sure yours will come out far better than mine ever was and I'm honored that your chose my efforts to duplicate. Last night Christie assured me that there are interior photos of the car that we took along with many other details. If so I haven't seen them in years, but we will continue to search and should they appear I'll post them. Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: vwcab on March 09, 2011, 21:23:45 pm That's gonna be a great looker,I'll be on the lookout to read and see the pics in the "build"thread.
;) Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: Derjava66 on March 10, 2011, 08:42:26 am My original motivation for asking for pics was because I was thinking about a clone so to speak but it seems very well covered already. I really love that car and had a picture of it on my wall as a kid. I am still toying with the idea of doing only because there is not a similar one stateside yet. Im really torn now on wether or not to build a clone or just build something similar with that color combo. Anyway thanks for replying to my post John and if I happen to see you at an event soon I will introduce myself and hopefully you can tell me all the details of the original.
Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: lowfastbus on March 10, 2011, 12:45:37 pm Not a clone, but guess where I got my inspiration from:
(http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/18447_220268797366_577917366_2995300_3950661_n.jpg) Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: johnl on March 10, 2011, 19:48:31 pm My original motivation for asking for pics was because I was thinking about a clone so to speak but it seems very well covered already. I really love that car and had a picture of it on my wall as a kid. I am still toying with the idea of doing only because there is not a similar one stateside yet. I'm really torn now on wether or not to build a clone or just build something similar with that color combo. Anyway thanks for replying to my post John and if I happen to see you at an event soon I will introduce myself and hopefully you can tell me all the details of the original. Wow! a photo on your wall, I'm honored. :) :) I would look forward to meeting you in person. If you guys keep this up I may just have to build my own Butternut II. Your thoughts??? :-\ :-\ :-\Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: speedwell on March 10, 2011, 19:57:18 pm go go go john build it ;)
fabs Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: johnl on March 10, 2011, 20:48:29 pm go go go john build it ;) Well, I'm not surprised to hear this.... ;) ;) ;) ;)fabs Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: Diederick/DVK on March 10, 2011, 21:00:05 pm (http://www.gifbin.com/bin/1234525508_ben_stiller_-_do_it.gif)
;D Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: Derjava66 on March 10, 2011, 21:40:07 pm Go for it! I think what I'm planning is to do something similar in that color with a few personal touches and different wheels. Mainly because because I can never afford real americans! I think it would be rad if you built #2.
Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: johnl on March 10, 2011, 22:01:50 pm Go for it! I think what I'm planning is to do something similar in that color with a few personal touches and different wheels. Mainly because because I can never afford real americans! I think it would be rad if you built #2. If some of you guys will step up and purchase some of my Chryslers I can make this happen much quicker. Think of it, you would have a great American Classic to drive and share and you can store your VW in the trunk... :o :o :o :o Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: Derjava66 on March 10, 2011, 22:21:06 pm Haha. I'm right there with yah John. I am trying to sell a 60's custom style 63 ford Galaxie to fund my build but no takers yet. I'm just dreaming and stocking up parts.
Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: Bryan67 on March 11, 2011, 04:58:28 am Let`s see the Galaxie.
Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: Derjava66 on March 11, 2011, 05:16:10 am Going to throw a fresh coat of primer on it soon and have the upoulstry done. [attachment=1]
Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: Rick Meredith on March 11, 2011, 06:37:51 am Love the Astros and thin WW.... needs some bellflower pipes. ;)
Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: Derjava66 on March 11, 2011, 07:01:30 am Bellflowers were the plan after paint but I might not own it long enough to paint it!
Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: butterskotch on March 11, 2011, 11:28:14 am Wow! a photo on your wall, I'm honored. :) :) I would look forward to meeting you in person. If you guys keep this up I may just have to build my own Butternut II. Your thoughts??? :-\ :-\ :-\
[/quote] Go for it John, 8) Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: butterskotch on March 11, 2011, 11:54:13 am Go for it! I think what I'm planning is to do something similar in that color with a few personal touches and different wheels. Mainly because because I can never afford real americans! I think it would be rad if you built #2. I say go for it,but then i do like the colour :D What i will say tho is the colour, Warbonnet Yellow is a nightmare to work with as John will probably confirm. To start off with even tho i had the code for the paint by different manufacturers (Dupont etc) none of these manufacturers in Europe was able to match the code on their systems so i couldn't get the paint matched. In the end i had to speak to Dupont in the USA, explain the situation to them and they then kindly provided me with the mixing weights to make the colour. The paint it self turned out to be quiet expensive as well. A normal liter of black,red etc is around £15 -25 a liter,Warbonnet Yellow costs around £100 a liter here in the UK. :o. That works out to a minimum of over £500 just for the colour alone :o. Then the paint ended up being a nightmare to work with. My friend/painter actually had painted the whole of the shell and then decided he wasn't happy with the front scuttle, so he decided to re do that section and blend it back in.The paint turned out to be a different colour, more greeny than gold. Even tho the paint he used came out of the same tin, with the same make laquer, painted with the same gun, in the same booth at the same temperature!?! Go figure. He then painted the scuttle for a second time, which turned out to be a completely different shade again! >:(. We decided the only way to make sure the whole car was the same colour all over was to flatten every panel back and shot the whole thing again in one go. Neither of us was happy about this as it delayed us both massively. In the end tho the car is now all the same colour,the right colour, and what a colour 8). My painter/friend said the paint works and reacts like a pearlescent even tho its not, and hes dreading the day i go back to him and ask for some touch ups or new bits to be painted. It is a great colour tho. To see how the colour changes depending on the light take a look at the following page of an original Warbonnet Yellow Vette. Same car in all the photos, yet loads of different colours, from burnt browny yellows to the butterskotch like colour in bright sunshine. www.cardomain.com/ride/2426405/1971-chevrolet-corvette (http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2426405/1971-chevrolet-corvette) Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: johnl on March 11, 2011, 18:07:51 pm I can completely relate to the comments above. Back in the day (1971) GM had a gold that was used on many of their cars and then there was the Warbonnet Yellow for the "71 Vette ONLY. At the same time Mercedes had a gold that I also liked, but it came down to the Warbonnet as being the ultimate gold for the day.
The first paint job was done by my longtime friend James "Babe" Cox in Fullerton who had painted the same car the Firemist Green a few years prior. Babe also painted our current '63 sedan of 30 years this June in Black. Believe it or not the cost for the black was $500, but I did all of the dissassembly and reassembly. When I picked the car up from Babe I just wasn't happy with the color and there were some flaws. Everyone was going to Becker's, but once again I had been marching to the different drummer. Finally I towed the car to Leonard Becker and talked to him. At first he didn't want to do it as he really like to paint nonmetallic because I guess it was easier, but finally agreed. His work came out excellent and that is what you see in those early photos. By 1974 issues were starting to appear in the paint and once again that was part of my selling the car. Most never saw what I saw, but it stuck out to me and I wasn't happy, but didn't want to strip the car and start over. Today there is a '71 Vette that comes to Cars & Coffee on a regular basis that is original. The paint does not look anything like what I remember, but then that was just a cheap factory paint job of the day. I'd definitely be concerned about doing repairs with the color as I don't know if you could match it even today. Becker did some repair work for me within a year after he painted the ca and I could see the difference, but others didn't notice it. Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: johnl on April 27, 2011, 20:18:20 pm The latest issue of Hot VW's arrived and in reading it I spotted the story on Shakey Jake, AKA Chuck Babbit, whom I knew back in the day. I may have written about this before, but honestly don't remember, so here it is again.
When the Butternut car was complete Shakey was in the Costa Mesa Auto Haus Store one day and I happen to be there with my car. We struck up a conversation about his striping talent. I asked if he could do something different for me and he replied with, "What"? I told him I'd like 2 ghost pin stripes down each side of the car basically where the trim had been previously been. They had to be almost undetectable, which is about the opposite one wants with a pin strip. He said he could handle that and so we took the front doors off the store and I drove the car in the main entry way. As he did his magic a crowd gathered. Within about 30 minutes the job was done and it was PERFECT. In keeping with the entire theme of the car this was yet one suttle touch that no one had done and I can't say I've ever seen it duplicated on a VW to this day. Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: johnl on August 02, 2011, 18:11:00 pm Here's a shot of the asthmatic Holley two-barrel combo John ran for a short time... Jim Edmiston had stated this was a photo of my Butternut car and I'd said it was not. I'd now like to correct this based on newly discovered photos. When the car was done in late 1971 and early 1972 it was still running the 69X88 with a BugSpray. At the time Christie and I were living in Garden Grove and the new photo I have is the same as Jim's shot except for the panels on within the engine compartment. My photo shows body color and no aluminum panels. This had to be for a short period of time as we soon moved to a house in Anaheim and that is were the 78.4X88 48IDA motor was built and installed. Unfortunately I've not been able to locate photos of this engine yet and to be honest I don't now if they exist. I'm working on converting numerous newly discovered slides to CD so that I can share them. I've also found shots of the interior that I know a few have asked about. Also, shots of the car in front of the DKP Club House on Chestnut St. in Anaheim and more. I hope to be able to post many of these soon. The photo attached is Jim's previously posted on this link. Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: speedwell on August 13, 2011, 13:06:35 pm thx john , we will appreciate that ;)
Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: johnl on August 15, 2011, 19:37:32 pm thx john , we will appreciate that ;) UPDATE; The photo that Jim Edmiston posted and I confirmed was infact my Butternut car was WRONG. I now have photos of my car with the 1700 BugSpray engine and I never had the pulley or the aluminum surrounding the engine compartment. New photos of the car will be posted soon.Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: johnl on July 19, 2012, 21:11:48 pm After looking at this link today I can now offer some futher photos of the car during it's build stage. I was able to obtain one photo of the interior and I think that is THE ONLY ONE existing. These have been posted before BUT it kind of finishes up the story for this link.
I was correct in that my car didn't have aluminum panels in the engine compartment but my coil WAS mounted off the fan housing. There is a shot of Jim (Sarge) helping me put it back together after Becker painted it. FYI that was the second Warbonnet Yellow paint job as I wasn't happy with the first one from another shop. Art Alvarez helped me tow the car from that shop to Becker's for what is in these shots. A shot of Christie standing in our driveway with the car and a couple more angles. Fun times and great memories and oh if I've never said it before I'm doing it now. Jim THANKS for your help with the project, we did have some fun didn't we..... Geez, look at those virgin Americans .... :o :o :o :o :o :o Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: johnl on July 19, 2012, 21:15:15 pm A few more shots........
Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: Fastbrit on July 19, 2012, 22:18:41 pm That interior shot will answer a lot of questions! Awesome photos, John, truly awesome... 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: speedwell on July 19, 2012, 22:21:06 pm thx for sharing john , i would like to made my wheels like yours
Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: johnl on July 19, 2012, 22:49:18 pm That interior shot will answer a lot of questions! Awesome photos, John, truly awesome... 8) 8) 8) Keith, believe it or not it has answered some questions in my mind. The gauges in this photo are Auto Meter with a generator driven spedo (can you imagine such way back then). Later all was replaced with VDO Cockpit less the phony collar-ring. I think the reason I chose these was because very few were using them, the faces tied in somewhat with the color of the car and by leaving the collar-ring I had something unique. Note the toggles that controlled the wipers and headlights. The dash bulbs were from an electronics shop and were used for turn signals, high beam, generator and oil pressure. All were the proper colors for their function. I had removed the ash try and in the center of that area was a "starter button". One of the toggles put power through the system and then the button finished it. Later with the 78.4x88 48IDA motor I ran a Joe Hunt Vertex Mag and had a kill switch that also acted as theft deterrent. I came up with the idea of the three piece dash after seeing Aronson's one piece set up. The glove box door was mirrored and the center area was filled in with a separate panel. These two pieces were made from aluminum and studed with anchoring on the back side. In looking at the photo today the center panel should have had matching have had a matching radius to the outer pieces. Don't know how I missed that one. The steering wheel was a Butler that was one of a very few that came through Auto Haus. I've tried to find another and have come up empty, but I loved the look and quality of the wheel. The interior is of course Brad's and I've told the story before that the idea came to me after seeing the VW limo that VOA had. Everyone was doing "black" and I wanted something different and more "user friendly" I was very happy with the results and Brad and I worked together to come up with something we both though was tasetful. The center inserts in the seat were of a suede type finish but were actually vinyl. That carred over to the dash panels and headliner. Brad also did a full custom trunk for me with a hidden tool kit and even a cover for the 5th American. On the door to the tool box he had sewn in a "Brads" sticker. Unfortunately I have no photos of that nor any photos of me with the build but do have the ones with Christie and Jim. Last, Brad did a beautiful job on the sunroof top and also made a full custom bra from the same material. I think all of this was about $350 at the time which was a bunch, but today nothing. I've got a great trim guy that has done several of my Chryslers but he is still a notch down from Brad's work. He was simply THE BEST. I still think of that car and those times often and I'm always left with great memories. Would I like to have the car back, without a doubt, but as I've written it was rolled and totaled about six months after I sold it. So with that I just have the memories and that will have to do but as some of you know I've recently purchased a new VW Cal-look ride. It has been in the shop for five weeks doing changes to make it more mine and I brought it home just yesterday. Now I plan to get it out on the roads and start creating some more memories.... ;) ;) ;) Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: johnl on July 19, 2012, 23:01:53 pm thx for sharing john , i would like to made my wheels like yours If you are speaking of the finish of my "real mag" vs your aluminum copy I think a creative person could come close. To me the challenge would be to get the blue hue of the polished areas, but I still think it can be done. Beyond that I think the JGE copies are a great wheel and much more durable than the original Americans. Recently I had chance to obtain an original set and I was really tempted, but cost and the thought of running on a 40+ year old mag wheel made me re-think it. The new car has real Fuch 4.5 front and deep 6 in the rear. I was never a fan of the look but have come to respect their value, durability and lightness. They are extremly easy to maintain and that is also a +. Guess I'll stick with them until I figure something else to replace them with. :-X :-X :-X Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: Matty c on July 20, 2012, 00:43:50 am How about a set of jge copies? I think your new car would look awesome & it is kinda your signature ;) thanks for the history lesson too John, always love reading them.
Matt Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: johnl on July 20, 2012, 01:33:27 am How about a set of jge copies? I think your new car would look awesome & it is kinda your signature ;) thanks for the history lesson too John, always love reading them. Matt I guess the Americans are my signature, even Ron Fleming has told me that. To go to a wide five I'd have to change out all of the disc brakes and after buying the car and doing many updates I've got to pull the reins in for a bit. There are some interior issues I want to address and that will probably come first. In the meantime I just want to get some time behind the wheel and suck up some atmosphere with those 48s..... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: 70slooker on July 20, 2012, 04:39:54 am hey John,
did you early guys still run with 6 volt systems? Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: johnl on July 20, 2012, 06:04:23 am hey John, did you early guys still run with 6 volt systems? I did for a short time with the 1700. Switched over retaining the 6 volt starter and it worked much better. My '63 still has that set up and after 31 years on what I think to be the original starter it still works great. Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: speedwell on July 20, 2012, 10:56:43 am If you are speaking of the finish of my "real mag" vs your aluminum copy I think a creative person could come close. To me the challenge would be to get the blue hue of the polished areas, but I still think it can be done. Beyond that I think the JGE copies are a great wheel and much more durable than the original Americans. Geoff gave me is secret trick to do an old magnesium look on my wheels , I am going to try to make this for the next season ;) Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: Nico86 on July 20, 2012, 12:33:49 pm Thanks for sharing the pics John. Have you got more infos/pictures about the grey late model convertible we can see behind your '63?
Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: johnl on July 20, 2012, 16:02:51 pm Thanks for sharing the pics John. Have you got more infos/pictures about the grey late model convertible we can see behind your '63? It wasn't "grey" but tan and it was also ours. Here is the link to the story of Reggie the Rag Top: http://cal-look.no/lounge/index.php/topic,16714.0.html Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: johnl on July 20, 2012, 16:39:34 pm If you are speaking of the finish of my "real mag" vs your aluminum copy I think a creative person could come close. To me the challenge would be to get the blue hue of the polished areas, but I still think it can be done. Beyond that I think the JGE copies are a great wheel and much more durable than the original Americans. Geoff gave me is secret trick to do an old magnesium look on my wheels , I am going to try to make this for the next season ;) Please keep me posted on this as it could have a bearing on a wheel change for me in the future. Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: Nico86 on July 20, 2012, 18:56:05 pm Thanks for sharing the pics John. Have you got more infos/pictures about the grey late model convertible we can see behind your '63? It wasn't "grey" but tan and it was also ours. Here is the link to the story of Reggie the Rag Top: http://cal-look.no/lounge/index.php/topic,16714.0.html Thanks John 8) I forgot about that thread. Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: Dyno-Don on July 20, 2012, 21:41:01 pm The latest issue of Hot VW's arrived and in reading it I spotted the story on Shakey Jake, AKA Chuck Babbit, whom I knew back in the day. I may have written about this before, but honestly don't remember, so here it is again. When the Butternut car was complete Shakey was in the Costa Mesa Auto Haus Store one day and I happen to be there with my car. We struck up a conversation about his striping talent. I asked if he could do something different for me and he replied with, "What"? I told him I'd like 2 ghost pin stripes down each side of the car basically where the trim had been previously been. They had to be almost undetectable, which is about the opposite one wants with a pin strip. He said he could handle that and so we took the front doors off the store and I drove the car in the main entry way. As he did his magic a crowd gathered. Within about 30 minutes the job was done and it was PERFECT. In keeping with the entire theme of the car this was yet one suttle touch that no one had done and I can't say I've ever seen it duplicated on a VW to this day. During my time at Auto Haus Costa Mesa we brought a few cars into the showroom for pinstripping by Shakey. I didn't know that yours had been the first as that was before I worked there. It's funny though, the first thing I visualized as I was reading that, before getting to the part about your ghost stripes, was how he used to lay down these very thin lines that looked like they were just floating on the paint, but very subtle. I particularly remember him doing a fairly dark maroon car that you had to look twice to even see the stripes - although unlike yours, it seems many of them were single stripes - maybe. When I got this current '66 I was first planning on leaving the side trim, but as I thought back and looked at some of my old photos, I thought no, I need to do it like Shakey did it! The other funny thing about Shakey was he used to sign his invoices as Ed G. Farnsworth - so I called him Edgy. And if you remember Kerry Morse from Troutman and Barnes he used to sign his Harry P. Clapsaddle and say his was from Fishbeck (Fish, Trout, get it?) Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: johnl on July 21, 2012, 04:08:15 am The latest issue of Hot VW's arrived and in reading it I spotted the story on Shakey Jake, AKA Chuck Babbit, whom I knew back in the day. I may have written about this before, but honestly don't remember, so here it is again. When the Butternut car was complete Shakey was in the Costa Mesa Auto Haus Store one day and I happen to be there with my car. We struck up a conversation about his striping talent. I asked if he could do something different for me and he replied with, "What"? I told him I'd like 2 ghost pin stripes down each side of the car basically where the trim had been previously been. They had to be almost undetectable, which is about the opposite one wants with a pin strip. He said he could handle that and so we took the front doors off the store and I drove the car in the main entry way. As he did his magic a crowd gathered. Within about 30 minutes the job was done and it was PERFECT. In keeping with the entire theme of the car this was yet one suttle touch that no one had done and I can't say I've ever seen it duplicated on a VW to this day. During my time at Auto Haus Costa Mesa we brought a few cars into the showroom for pinstripping by Shakey. I didn't know that yours had been the first as that was before I worked there. It's funny though, the first thing I visualized as I was reading that, before getting to the part about your ghost stripes, was how he used to lay down these very thin lines that looked like they were just floating on the paint, but very subtle. I particularly remember him doing a fairly dark maroon car that you had to look twice to even see the stripes - although unlike yours, it seems many of them were single stripes - maybe. When I got this current '66 I was first planning on leaving the side trim, but as I thought back and looked at some of my old photos, I thought no, I need to do it like Shakey did it! The other funny thing about Shakey was he used to sign his invoices as Ed G. Farnsworth - so I called him Edgy. And if you remember Kerry Morse from Troutman and Barnes he used to sign his Harry P. Clapsaddle and say his was from Fishbeck (Fish, Trout, get it?) I was very fortunate to live in the times of Brads, Beckers, Flakey Jake, Fleming & Aronson (Pre FAT) and of course Auto Haus. We will never see those times again.... :( :( :( :( Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: johnl on June 11, 2013, 19:55:27 pm Yes, I know this post is old but the story continues. This past weekend at the Classic I was stopped in my tracks when I saw the color on this Split. It wasn't exactly Warbonnet Yellow like on my Butternut car, BUT it was close.
I stopped and chatted with the owner (nice guy with an accent) and asked what the color was. He replied with "HomeDepot" and then explained he likes colors that no one has. After spending time in the paint department of HomeDepot he came up with this color. The car was beautifully done, but every Split in that line was of excellent quality. Attached is the photo of this car along with a shot of my original car. You make the decision on how close they are..... Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: RockStock on June 11, 2013, 20:38:43 pm Looks like it's Brit Pip Hancox's fresh 52...a DBK car
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5339/9019177296_2377fa25bf_b.jpg) what an ACE colour See http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=297021&start=8840 & http://www.dbkvw.com/ Pip also did a cool colour on a Squareback http://www.dbkvw.com/photos/pip_hancox_rides/ Which may I say links quite closely to this thread http://cal-look.no/lounge/index.php/topic,20881.0.html Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: TyeDyeBug on June 11, 2013, 21:46:13 pm love the color, sweet split!
Title: Re: John luzenby's Butternutt 63 sedan Post by: hotrodsurplus on June 11, 2013, 22:37:30 pm He replied with "HomeDepot" and then explained he likes colors that no one has. After spending time in the paint department of HomeDepot he came up with this color. I don't doubt his story but the color he chose looks a lot like WE5202 Ochre, a '70-'74 GM fleet color. (http://paintref.com/graphics/sample/GMC1971ochre.jpg) I admire his pluck for going outside the VW rainbow for a color. I also admire his good taste: we just painted my wife's Baja Ochre. That'll make for an interesting photo! ;D |