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Well as the title says guys I am looking for GOOD pictures of original dual quiet pack from the 70's  :)

Maybe some one has some good shots of the berg items  :-\

Thanks for your help guys.

Don't get any more 1970s original dual-quiets than the first one ever…
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In your opinion, what is the most period correct looking/efficient dual quiet pack you can buy new today?

WOW!!!!!!!! very very cool picture Mr Fastbrit  ;D

How long have you had that one stashed away ???

Anyone else notice those AWESOME rear tires  :o ;D

I already have a 4tune header lined up but I've really gotta find the "Right" Dual quiet packs  :-\

Keith Have you got any closer pic's of the under tin's on the Goss car ? They look home made  8)
Sorry for the thread Hi jack Lee

those are the stale 40 horse heater boxes  ;)

Ah ha , think I've got some of them down the shed , I can feel another fabbing session coming on  ;)

Here a shot of mine ...4-Tuned merged & Thunderbird mufflers....and a shot of one of my favorites Glenn Rings Berg merged

It's so weird that the current owner of Thunderbird Headers/exhaust products makes a merged single QP but not dual...

What about the Flat4 dual quiet pack? Is that a good product?

The look is good and I'm thinking of getting one for my 1904cc. I heard it's being tucked far from the rear of the car when it's used with a merged header, but for me that will be for use with a 1"3/8 non-merged header (and it seems that they are made for using with a non-merged header : longer tube after the flange).

(http://www.flat4.co.jp/english/mf/MF-005.gif)

Nice Pic's - I really like those Berg units  :)

The Berg dual QPs are really nice. Too bad they don't make them anymore.

(http://www.glenn-ring.com/temp/lottermann1.jpg)

Yeah too bad  :-\

Anyone got the rear shot of Dave Rhoads car  ??? And does anyone know what Dual QP he had  ??? I have always loved those ones  :)

What about this one? http://www.bugwelder-shop.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=2146969026&products_id=2656&osCsid=6f9178eea6c70f3fe3f11ab8d1661d4a

They say it's a Thunderbird but it looks like the Flat4...

I think Dave's car had T-Bird dual QPs, but maybe somebody can verify?

I like the Flat-4 mufflers, but I don't think anybody stateside here in the U.S. sells them.  Plenty of Flat-4 accessories, like the steering wheels and BRMS and what not, but I don't believe anyone here sells their exhaust and engine products...at least not that I'm aware of.

If I remember well you can get it at CSP, but it will cost you a lot to get one shipped to USA...

Here's a couple of scanned pics of my old tullip yellow '70 with a 1 5/8" Berg Phoenix set up.  The Berg set-up always looked meaner IMO because it really tucked the mufflers up into the fender, making the chrome tips level or even pointing slightly downward.   8)  The red '69 was also mine running a Phoenix 1 1/2" set up.

Sorry for the poor quality of the pics.

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Heres a pic of Dave Rhoads Mufflers

While were on the subject of mufflers...Anyone here in the states have a merged single muffler they wanna sell ...Thunderbird style... small bolt pattern...?

IMO Frenchy had it spot on! Tucked in, level across, and tips turned slightly up. Just the way I likeee! :o

http://frenchysrides.com/images/scan0002.jpg

Dude as the title of your pic's suggests - Are those mufflers for sale  ??? ??? ???

If they are then drop me a PM  ;) :)

I have a BERG set up on my 2275 motor going in the Chop Top.  I tried to put the car back to the early look in the interior, motor, wheels, tires, etc. Getting close!

Rick M

Cool but that still leaves 2 others  ;)
Let me know if you wanna sell  :)

heres a shot of the berg DQP's my brother had on his car unfortunatly they got bent beyond use when he spun the car out and wiped out the rear of the car on a tall curb :'(

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v493/streetvw/img126.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b268/SteveMortimer/IMG_0269-1.jpg)

 - old S&S / Thunderbird I believe.

 I would love a similar look on my new car, but I'm pretty sure there's NOTHING available (to buy new) that looks the same   :(

 

Almost Perfect  ;) :)

never quite perfect, is it?
;)

beautifully smooth finish, looks like it was brand new!

You know me dude  ;)

..I'd just given it another re-furb... Plasticote 'Wood Stove'...  it soon dulled though...  :)

Here's a old S&S I had ....

Steve, your Kab with the T-bars was just perfect for me! It just "worked.

Back on topic, although without pictures, I used the Bugpack duals on my Ghia, but I bent them on a kerb - not like StreetVWs brother though - I did mine while reversing into a parking spot... I'll be rebuilding them for the Beetle soon though, and I'll be paing particular attention to getting them to fit the wing line!

(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k207/fredy_66/my%2065/DSCN1859.jpg)

 ;D

from the early eighties

same motor different car

Someone's got pics of the Flat4 dual quiet pack mounted on a car?

maxx have one on his 67 , if i remember that black hands  reworked this one  because the mufflers don't goes perfectly under the wings & apron;)

They are to wide and dont fit under the fenders... My opinion...

I had a Flat4 Dual on my old 63...

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Yes but if I remember well he had a merged header so he made the tube after the flange shorter. I have to search on his website. Thanks for the pic Fabs  ;)


Got more pics?

That could easily rectified  ;) :)

Got more pics?
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Only this rather dark one I'm afraid.

This was taken nearly 10 years ago, so the design may have changed.

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Only this rather dark one I'm afraid.

This was taken nearly 10 years ago, so the design may have changed.


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Thanks Tim  ;)

Yep Fabs that's it, he mounted the Flat4 on a merged header so it wasn't good and he only shortened the tube. On my engine I'll have a standard header.

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(http://static.skynetblogs.be/media/92310/dyn007_original_640_480_pjpeg_2510702_d0094ec4fff5a1b7641bd9cc8fea8f8b.jpg)

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Yep  ;)

Just need to bring the mufflers in a little too - Shorten pipes to the mufflers by approx 1.5/2"  ;) :)

Under the back of a late model with bumpers and non-merged header I don't think there's a need to shorten the flange tube, but yes I would have to check if it's too wide or not.

Can anybody tell me what the tubing size is on the old (berg/Phoenix/S&S/other brand) small flange QP's (between the mufflers where the flange is)? I could also use a measurement of how far apart the tips are from each other. Thanks for the help.  ;)

Andy

...back in England before Volksworld etc I subscribed to Hot VWs and there was an article about exhaust design which I think S&S helped with.  This had tube length and diameters etc.  I don't have this any more.  It would have been about the time of the HotVWs 20th anniversary.  Does anyone have this for the answers?

Hope this helps!

Richard; now in New Zealand and without a Bug but looking to get one soon!

any idea  ??? 25th anniversary was in 92 so 20th was in 87 , i will watch my hot vws to see if i found something  ;)

fabs

Very cool! That would help me (and others I'm sure) out a lot! Thanks Fabs.

-Andy

thats not going to work  :'(
what to do

Sept. 1986 Hot VWs, the same issue with the horrifically gaudy "Top Gun" full custom of Ed Papac, had an article about exhaust system and header design, featuring a Q&A with the head of S&S Headers, I believe.  I was just reading it the other day.

Vintage S&S,...always loved the tuck and style of the old S&S.............

(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z148/2manytoys_photo/ovalragssmuffler.jpg)

    If I remember right they did not have the dual quiet pack mufflers for the Ghias at the time I made my own as the angle at the rear would be straight across in line with the bumper to look correct. I was working on my motor tonight for the Ghia which I will be starting on this project next year about this time. Right now I am concentrating on the NSU project. The engine for the Ghia is a 1755 CC 69 x 90 NPR. I just finish rebuilding my 48 IDA'S this week and ready to bolt them on the motor. I will probably be posting pictures of it in a few weeks.

     Frenchy

Quiet packs fit your car well, t-bars don't look bad either. 8)

Bob

Is anyone able to scan the HotVWs article?  I'd be interested in reading it again (25 years on!)

Thanks
Richard

Here's a nice picture that hows how the Berg GB933S clears the stock tin and thermostat.

(http://glenn-ring.com/brakes/IMG_3020.jpg)
(http://glenn-ring.com/brakes/IMG_3021.jpg)

That looks neat, Glenn. I really like those 181 heater delete tins.

on it's way to my home  ;) ..............NOS Berg QP Mufflers for 1 3/8" merged header

cut, shut and tweaked bugpack dual packs

glenn any chance to have a closer pictures of the silent bloc on the mufflers , because i've  those one in mine but they're in the middle and i don't see anything were i can attach them
thx
fabs

1 1/2  CB merged header with Thunderbird dual quiet pack.

(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u310/donsco/IMG_1652.jpg)

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This is a nice one :-)
I have made the first 20 years ago for race cars that needed a muffler. Now we use them on all race cars up to 315 hp and some on the street. Mufflers are from 50mm - 3" .
My last one is a step muffler ,from 60-65-70 mm . I will see how it works

Udo

I used Beetle QPs on the merged header on my Ghia so that the tips were level with the bumpers. I was less worried about the angle of the boxes than about how far out the tips and centre stuck out! All Bugpack IIRC.

Gene Berg duals from 1980 on my oval.. Miss driving that car. Sorry for the crap cell phone pictures

Man all these Dual Quiet Pack pics make we want top put a set on my '67.

Hey Fabs... can you ship mine back??  ;D

Rick.... there will be consequences  :P

Looks like the handbrake works OK Rune ;) ;D
I miss seeing you in that car too

what's your price  ;D ;D

Well they're used now!  ;D ;D ;D

;D ;D

I hear AJ Sims is making an exact copy of Bergs. To the "T". Thats what I hear. If this is true, Rick, this maybe the set you want.

Ted

I hope that AJ's making these!

After reading some of the recent feedback on LowBugget, I don't think I'll be shopping there anytime soon.  As for my own recent experiences, I shot him an email asking about a single Kadron part, and didn't get a reply for like two weeks.

Here´s my 67 with a JSC (Johnnys Speed and Chrome?) Dual Quiet pack that I bought at EBI4.
I don´t like how it fits, but I don´t want to modify the Berg header or the mufflers so I will try with some other headers. It sounds nice with the 1848 engine.

(http://www.aheimberg.com/WEBf/dqp02.JPG)

Hey guys, I have a thunderbird dual quiet pack laying around. But it's different then all others on here. The mufflers are bolted to the centre Y piece. So it's in three pieces. It says thunderbird on the mufflers. Does anyone know something about this system? How old would it be?

Thunderbird set up for sale:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1172154

Sounds like an early to mid '80s T-bird dual QP set up for a large three-bolt flange heater box header.  If I remember correctly, those large three-bolt flange headers had 1.5 inch tubing.

Mine ... ( to bad car already sold )

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this one ?

(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k207/fredy_66/my%2065/DSCN1861.jpg)

@ Bugnut68. Yes it has a large flange three bolt connection. I figured it would be old but not that old!
@fredy66 That looks like the one i have. Mine was installed on a non merged header. But the angle of the Y piece looks to be the same.  Funny thing is that the flange had 1 bolt on the underside and 2 at the top. When i bought a A1 muffler i had to cut off the flange and rotate it 180 degrees to fit the header.

I can't help but wonder what they were thinking when they made those systems back in the day... I can't imagine it would cost that much less to make it a three piece muffler kit rather than weld it all together! ;D

this one ?

(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k207/fredy_66/my%2065/DSCN1861.jpg)


As I posted earlier, I have this setup but without the merged header. If you ask me, the dumb part isn't that they make the mufflers bolt to the "Y" seperately, it's that they made this setup from 1.5" tubing but the collector is like 2.5" diameter (tunability goes out the window!)!!! :o What the hell where they thinking by adding the large collector to an otherwise decent setup? I fabbed up my own merged collector to replace the large flange portion, but I need to weld it together and finish the inner cone part. I was even able to make the merged colllector 7" long (which hopefully will help the bottom end of my single port). Thunderbird systems are cool though!  I'm thinking of adding stainless flared tips but I'm not sure how to go about it quite yet....I'm concentrating on finishing the stainless 1-1/2" heater boxes I built and the merged collector before I start on the exhaust tips. I did also think of getting rid of the "Y" part between the mufflers, and welding the mufflers at the correct angle like Berg mufflers are.

Andy

I'm thinking of modifying the muffler to but i see when the new engine is inn the car.
this muffler was not meant for merged header we See what i can do.

any photos of the Bugpack one ?

Not a great photo, but shows the fit and shape-

(http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a1d905b3127ccefde4ce0a4e3e00000030O01AcM3DRyzcsQe3nw4/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/)

Udo have you a photo of this system fitted to a car ? Are they available to buy ?

  Not to be a dick but did you try calling him?  When I worked for AJ couple years ago he had a few duel quiet packs made not sure if he's got more right now or those ame ones?  Just bugs me when people bash him he is a good guy in my book and he's on the phone hekping customers all day long.

  OK soapbox dismounted.

My issue really wasn't as influential on my decision so much as the HUGE pile of unhappy customers in his feedback thread over on the Samba.  Now, I know that everyone has a bad day here and again, or get buried with business and don't always have the utmost in communication... but I recommend taking a hard look at Chuey's experience in that feedback thread.  There's never any call for physical assault in resolving issues related to questionable customer service.  

EDIT: It wasn't Yamaducci that got shoved to the ground as he left the shop, but Chuey.  I corrected this in my post.

I don't know yamaducci or Chuey and haven't been on Samba forum but a few times ages ago I know that people bash AJ and jump on the band wagon bad mouthing him on many occasions. I don't know what incident you are speaking of, it may be valid and it may be heresay.  Nothing personal meant at you in my statements and I'm sure you realize that. There may be a bunch of bad stuff written true but there's also a boat load of good he's done. Anyhow I don't want to get in an AJ argument at all.  The quiet pack setups he had and may still have were pretty darn nice.  Let's not take this any further off topic.

   Jason

   

Agreed, no further digressions necessary.

I put a Scat 1 1/2 merge header and dual muffs (ceramic coated from Scat) last year on my 1776. It was very well made and sounded great but stuck out a little to much for my liking. I just figured I would share my pics in case  someone wanted to know how the Scat one looked like on a car.

This guy from U.K. make also nice exhaust systems:

http://www.turbothomas.com

A little bit different but nice too : Cyclone exhaust......
Soon at home
 ;)

Here's my GB dual exhaust unit.  Been sitting on the shelves for 5 years.  Finally have it on a car.

Rick M

Luv the dual QP's, wish i could run them.  On the subject of QP's, Gene Berg has been credited with the creation
of the QP muffler for the Cal Look VW. 

IIRC Gene sourced the first QP mufflers from a ....Jeep !!

But then, I have been known to be wrong on occasion  ;D

here's mine  ;)

Sorry i did not notice your post . all fast cars run this  :) and it is avaliable

Udo

Anybody have pics of dual mufflers on a ghia? I'm looking for some ideas for my build.

Andy

 ;)

 ;)

 ;)

Howard Washington told me the same, I think he takes partial credit for the innovation but it's been a while since he told me that story ;)

This is also a very nice one:

Back from being recoated from Jet Hot (for free) and ready for another 13 years.

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Looks great!

Lets see a few more pic's of the CAR  :)

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hi, i`m looking for a 1 3/8 inch header to fit my bugpack dual quietpack mufflers, some of the headers i`ve seen are off centre and look like crap ! does anybody know a supplier of small flange headers in this size that will exit the car correctly ?
the berg dual qpacks look very nice , but when i looked on their website they have no exhaust systems listed

this is my muffler (http://i.imgur.com/SSF0Y.jpg?1)

Best bet is to just get a brand new Bugpack header... then there will be no guesswork involved. ;-)

thanks but are the bugpack ones centred ? i don`t want to buy a header and find out later that it exits off centre.   

You might e-mail the guys at Bugpack to be sure, but in my experience they were.  I don't recall having a Bugpack exhaust with the collector off-center.  It's usually best to try match brands where exhausts are concerned, at least that's been my experience. 

One of those Ghias in the posted pics has one jacked-up looking set up mufflers on it.  The tips are practically skyward... ::)

here`s a pic of a club mates car with i believe an empi header and silencers combo. it`s what i don`t want to end up with.

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a151/JustinOval/De%20Agostini%20beetle/Photo254.jpg)


i`ve asked justins permission to use this pic as an example, i`m not running his car down, it`s a beaut, just the pos exhaust looks terrible ;)

ok thanks bugnut, i`ll fire an email off to bugpack requesting some info and some pics of their current systems. cheers

If you want something just right, you usually have to work on it. Mine needed cutting and tweaking, and it still isn't perfect.

love that ^^ is that a bugpack system you`re using ? beautiful car  8)

Mine are from CB Performance. From what I've seen of the Bugpacks, they look pretty good.

  Bugpack 1 3/8 street header on ny '67. Had it black ceramic coated,the header came silver coated from Bugpack. I like the non-flared tips.

                                                   Norris

the bugpack looks sweet on your 67 norris, thanks for the pictures

          Glad to help Baz.

This came in today  8)
Vintage Thunderbird. They need TLC and customized Y-piece.

(https://i.ibb.co/56zSbYy/3713-AAEB-727-B-40-C8-89-AA-D81-CC9-EC3314.jpg) (https://ibb.co/XbdKcyg)
plaatjes web (https://nl.imgbb.com/)

Yannick

My old school Berg merge and dual muffs I got for my 56, only been run for break in so just like new.

You're a lucky guy! Would love to have a Berg dual QP - and that condition! Just wow!

Couldn’t find a thunderbird but did score a a NOS Kadron a little while ago, flange re-welded in 1 o’clock position to suit the Bugpack header.

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I used to have a CSP one on my bay , great sound , nice welds .
A great exhaust ;)

How do Dual Quiet packs flow?  Looking at possibly fitting one to my 2276, 42x37mm heads 6500k rpm limit

mine

I'm running the CSP dual mufflers on my car. Shortened after the flange of the header to bring the mufflers closer to the body.
Daniel/DFL's 67 has the CSP dual mufflers as well but painted black if I'm correct.
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I have the cheap empi version on my bus.

Henk!!!

 :)

The best fitment of a dual QP muffler that I've seen probably in the last 10 years was on this mild custom ~'69 Beetle displayed at the Harwinton Bug-In event in Connecticut in June 2013. Owner told me it was just a "regular Bugpack". Was most likely a 1 3/8" header. Note how far forward they sit and conform to the curvature of the fenders, so that most of the muffler bodies are covered by the rear apron. Apron appearance is very clean by having the now unused two original exhaust cutouts filled in. Also, how close/tucked up to the body they are located instead of hanging farther down as is usually seen. Engine had Kadron dual carbs.
(https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/2057562.jpg)

I drive the CSP Dual Quiet in black powder coated.

(https://i.postimg.cc/6q6t7YGt/279320477-10220466626152117-2065302471811761833-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bD5KW0TB)

 ;)