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Title: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: Donny B. on September 18, 2011, 19:09:02 pm http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1154754
Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: johnl on September 18, 2011, 19:52:09 pm Nice car, but I'd say the rear bumper is not original. Look at the over rider bows. As I recall '67's were a one year only and had a definite slop to them as they came towards the center.
Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: . on September 18, 2011, 20:37:32 pm John,
Early 67's had the older style rear overriders. Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: johnl on September 18, 2011, 21:16:26 pm John, Early 67's had the older style rear overriders. Good deal, I just learned something I never knew.. ;D ;D Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: . on September 18, 2011, 21:59:50 pm And they also used the 1966 style seats.
:) Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: -Alex- on September 18, 2011, 22:21:39 pm OK, off the topic:
"1957 Cable brake standard model 1962 cable brake standard model " Really? I thougt that last year for cable brake model was 1949? But they sell up to 65 beetles brake cables... :D http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC-111-605-721 Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: . on September 18, 2011, 22:59:41 pm 1962 was the last year for cable brakes.
They were still available on "Standard 111" models after 1949. Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: Rick Meredith on September 19, 2011, 01:35:11 am John, Early 67's had the older style rear overriders. Actually... John is right. The rear over riders were one year only for 1967 and sloped downwards from the bumper guards towards the center of the car, to where they turned towards the blades. This was to clear the the corners of the '67 decklid. There were 2 types of front seats fitted to '67s. They were identical except that later seats had a side release like the '68 and later high backs did. Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: Dan Mazur on September 19, 2011, 02:25:54 am Yeah! 67 low back rear backrest realease seats!!!! ;D
Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: deano on September 19, 2011, 03:32:06 am I guess that is why I like '67s so much. They are a one-year only car, but within that year, so many things changed as they went on. There are a bunch of mid-year changes. For the VW pervert, there is so much to brag or complain about, few are ever satisfied, even the door hinge pins are different! And then, if you really want to go on the wild side, then try jumping into a '67 'vert! Have fun.This looks like it could be a very nice car.
Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: Donny B. on September 19, 2011, 03:33:24 am Quote Actually... John is right. The rear over riders were one year only for 1967 and sloped downwards from the bumper guards towards the center of the car, to where they turned towards the blades. This was to clear the the corners of the '67 decklid. If you look in Garwood the early '67s had the same rear bumpers as the '66 as well as the seats. The one year only over riders came on later '67s. Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: Rick Meredith on September 19, 2011, 03:38:36 am Uhh well Don my '67 has the no side release seats and the bent overiders. I'm pretty sure that it was original as it was only 10 years old when I bought it from the original owner. It was original paint and had no signs of being hit.
BTW What is Garwood? Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: Bryan67 on September 19, 2011, 04:23:24 am Not all 67`s had the sloped overiders and side release seats. Early production did not. Simple as that.
Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: deano on September 19, 2011, 05:52:01 am J T Garwood wrote two books on the VW Beetle. Basically, he details all the small changes made from year to year, and what chassis number they started with. He also shows which interiors came with which exterior colors, and so on. Books are a must have, but they haven't been available in years. He is trying to come out with a CD version, but still have some security issues with duping...
Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: Cornpanzer on September 19, 2011, 13:12:59 pm VW didnt discover the interference problem with the new decklid til after production started, so there was a period where they used the earlier rear bumper.
Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: johnl on September 19, 2011, 15:43:02 pm VW didnt discover the interference problem with the new decklid til after production started, so there was a period where they used the earlier rear bumper. I've thought about my post more and I do remember going to see the 1967 cars as soon as they were shown. At the time they were noticably different. I didn't like them (visually) at all as the headlights were odd and I didn't like the bulge on the rear deck lid. I thought the cars sat rather high in the front which now I find laughable as I've always thought our '63 sits the same.Regarding the rear bumper, the first '67 examples I ever saw and from that time forward any "new" '67 ALWAYS had the odd rear bumper. Now, I'm not saying they didn't use both types, but I wonder if it was a deliviery issue to specific areas? Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: Sam K on September 19, 2011, 15:43:34 pm My '67 was buillt on October 11, 1966 and came with the earlier style overriders. It also had several other earlier features such as the early type seat back releaselevers, ivory window crank knobs, and the "chrome" castle style radio knobs. The weirdest thing was that it didn't have backup lights but it was wired for them. The wires were in behind the insulation on the sides of the engine compartment.
Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: johnl on September 19, 2011, 15:54:22 pm My '67 was buillt on October 11, 1966 and came with the earlier style overriders. It also had several other earlier features such as the early type seat back releaselevers, ivory window crank knobs, and the "chrome" castle style radio knobs. The weirdest thing was that it didn't have backup lights but it was wired for them. The wires were in behind the insulation on the sides of the engine compartment. Back in the day all of the examples I saw were delivered from Dealerships in So-Cal. I'm curious if you know where your car was originally sold? Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: Donny B. on September 19, 2011, 16:09:40 pm -FYI-
The sloped over riders started with chassis number 117171365 per Garwood Volume Two page 690. The seat backrest release were incorporated into the backrest at chassis number 117425908 per Garwood Volume Two page 683. Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: Sam K on September 19, 2011, 16:15:24 pm My '67 was buillt on October 11, 1966 and came with the earlier style overriders. It also had several other earlier features such as the early type seat back releaselevers, ivory window crank knobs, and the "chrome" castle style radio knobs. The weirdest thing was that it didn't have backup lights but it was wired for them. The wires were in behind the insulation on the sides of the engine compartment. Back in the day all of the examples I saw were delivered from Dealerships in So-Cal. I'm curious if you know where your car was originally sold? I bought it in 1990 from my uncle, who bought it in late'68 from the original owners. It had the remains of a dealership sticker on the decklid when I got it but foolishly sanded it off. I think it came from somewhere in Colorado but I can't remember. Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: Sarge on September 19, 2011, 16:28:33 pm My car was originally sold by Ballard Motors in Anaheim. It was the 85,737th car produced for 1967 and came with the non-sloping rear bumper over-riders.
The seat back-rest release is the lever style at the bottom of the seat. In all my years of selling parts, I found there to be an exception to almost every "rule" and to never argue the point with a customer. ;) Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: johnl on September 19, 2011, 16:30:04 pm So the question remains was your "Colorado" car delivered to the East or West Coast and then shipped? You state your car was an October 1966 build yet I saw what I believe to be August 1966 cars at So-Cal Dealerships with the unique bumper.
In doing years of research on my Chryslers I've found that sometimes even factory documentation can't provide the answers. I have personal contacts at Chrysler Historical and even being in the center of documentation they can not provide a definitive answer. So, maybe we'll never know, but I think researching stuff like this is almost more rewarding than actually owning the vehicle. I've always said "If the cars could talk what stories they could tell you". ;) ;) ;) Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: johnl on September 19, 2011, 16:36:21 pm My car was originally sold by Ballard Motors in Anaheim. It was the 85,737th car produced for 1967 and came with the non-sloping rear bumper over-riders. The seat back-rest release is the lever style at the bottom of the seat. In all my years of selling parts, I found there to be an exception to almost every "rule" and to never argue the point with a customer. ;) Jim, You are absolutely CORRECT. There ALWAYS is the exception to the rule when it comes to how auto manufacturers did stuff. Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: Sam K on September 19, 2011, 16:39:39 pm I've often wished that I could find more history on my cars too. I wasn't aware until recently that there was more than one plant in Eurpore that built beetles for the U.S. market and that got me to thinking that maybe there were differnces depending on which plant thet were made.
Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: johnl on September 19, 2011, 16:57:05 pm I've often wished that I could find more history on my cars too. I wasn't aware until recently that there was more than one plant in Eurpore that built beetles for the U.S. market and that got me to thinking that maybe there were differnces depending on which plant thet were made. To take that a step further, what plant shipped to what port in the USA?? The answer to this question might be in front of us now. To me this is why RESEARCH is so rewarding. ;D ;D Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: ST DRAGN on September 19, 2011, 17:13:18 pm Bumpers are correct for a early, model the SB-12 Hella's give it away... ;)
Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: Rick Meredith on September 19, 2011, 17:50:53 pm Now you guys are gonna make me grab a flashlight and climb into the back seat of my car to find the VIN, ;D
Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: johnl on September 19, 2011, 18:04:57 pm Now you guys are gonna make me grab a flashlight and climb into the back seat of my car to find the VIN, ;D Use a MATCH as it will save the batteries and is far enough from the gas tank you won't blow the neighborhood up... ::) ::) ::) Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: Rick Meredith on September 19, 2011, 18:41:38 pm Now you guys are gonna make me grab a flashlight and climb into the back seat of my car to find the VIN, ;D Use a MATCH as it will save the batteries and is far enough from the gas tank you won't blow the neighborhood up... ::) ::) ::) The gas tank hasn't had anything in it since 1983 ::) :D Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: Zach Gomulka on September 19, 2011, 19:22:00 pm Or you can just look at the VIN tag behind the spare... Did you get one of those yet, Rick? ;)
Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: Rick Meredith on September 19, 2011, 19:54:45 pm I think the VIN tag is still there. I know it was before the body work started I they didn't change that part of the body.. I'll have to look when I get home tonight.
Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: Sam K on September 20, 2011, 01:16:06 am Bumpers are correct for a early, model the SB-12 Hella's give it away... ;) I still have the SB12 rings that were on my car but they're pretty beat up. Someday I'll spend the bucks to get them rechromed. Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: stealth67vw on September 20, 2011, 05:16:44 am One of my 67s is a December 1966 car and it has the sloped (67 only) over riders, SB-12 headlights, early sunvisors, and no side latch seats -West coast Oregon car. My other 67 is a May 1967 and came with all the later stuff.
Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: Rick Meredith on September 20, 2011, 06:12:57 am -FYI- The sloped over riders started with chassis number 117171365 per Garwood Volume Two page 690. The seat backrest release were incorporated into the backrest at chassis number 117425908 per Garwood Volume Two page 683. Checked my VIN. My car is a September 1966 build which is prior to 117171365 that Garwood cited and it has the sloped over riders, SB-12s and non-side release seats. 117171365 is also a September 1966 car but mine was about 30,000 units earlier. Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: johnl on September 20, 2011, 16:49:17 pm -FYI- The sloped over riders started with chassis number 117171365 per Garwood Volume Two page 690. The seat backrest release were incorporated into the backrest at chassis number 117425908 per Garwood Volume Two page 683. Checked my VIN. My car is a September 1966 build which is prior to 117171365 that Garwood cited and it has the sloped over riders, SB-12s and non-side release seats. 117171365 is also a September 1966 car but mine was about 30,000 units earlier. So, if your rear bumper is original to the build that disagrees with the "Garwood" documentation. There has to be an answer out there if one is willing to look long enough. Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: javabug on September 20, 2011, 17:11:41 pm Looks like it is time to ask the worker that installed the bumper at the factory. ;)
Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: . on September 20, 2011, 17:36:16 pm There are so many variables that could account for the discrepencies.
We've all heard the stories of interiors being switched at the dealer when new to match a buyers taste. Perhaps a bumper was damaged during shipping and was replaced at the dealer with one they had in stock, even if not the correct bowed overrider design. etc.,etc.,etc...... Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: ST DRAGN on September 20, 2011, 17:38:49 pm Like Deano mention, there are 3 changes during 67 builds.
66-67 early models August and September, October, November, December where consider mid year 67 , The late 67 is Jan-July 1967. The main question is how to truly define each quarters, without have the VW manufacture documents, Because we all know each Dealer was not consist with each others..( options radios/antenna's/key door handles/etc,) Perhaps, The Garwood was using chassis numbers to identify the changes? Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: Rick Meredith on September 20, 2011, 17:55:21 pm -FYI- The sloped over riders started with chassis number 117171365 per Garwood Volume Two page 690. The seat backrest release were incorporated into the backrest at chassis number 117425908 per Garwood Volume Two page 683. Checked my VIN. My car is a September 1966 build which is prior to 117171365 that Garwood cited and it has the sloped over riders, SB-12s and non-side release seats. 117171365 is also a September 1966 car but mine was about 30,000 units earlier. So, if your rear bumper is original to the build that disagrees with the "Garwood" documentation. There has to be an answer out there if one is willing to look long enough. I bought the car 10 years old and it was very original so I have no reason to believe that it had been changed. There are so many variables that could account for the discrepencies. We've all heard the stories of interiors being switched at the dealer when new to match a buyers taste. Perhaps a bumper was damaged during shipping and was replaced at the dealer with one they had in stock, even if not the correct bowed overrider design. etc.,etc.,etc...... Another interesting detail on my car is that there was a block off plate where the '67 antenna should be and an earlier style antenna mounted on the driver's side quarter panel. I assume that the car was shipped w/o a radio and the dealer installed it what they had available. Assuming that Garwood was correct, and my bumper was damaged in shipping, I doubt there would be "sloped over rider" bumpers in stock for a replacement. Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: Rick Meredith on September 20, 2011, 17:55:49 pm Geez... were sounding like Vintage Geeks :D
Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: ST DRAGN on September 20, 2011, 18:13:13 pm -FYI- The sloped over riders started with chassis number 117171365 per Garwood Volume Two page 690. The seat backrest release were incorporated into the backrest at chassis number 117425908 per Garwood Volume Two page 683. Checked my VIN. My car is a September 1966 build which is prior to 117171365 that Garwood cited and it has the sloped over riders, SB-12s and non-side release seats. 117171365 is also a September 1966 car but mine was about 30,000 units earlier. So, if your rear bumper is original to the build that disagrees with the "Garwood" documentation. There has to be an answer out there if one is willing to look long enough. I bought the car 10 years old and it was very original so I have no reason to believe that it had been changed. There are so many variables that could account for the discrepencies. We've all heard the stories of interiors being switched at the dealer when new to match a buyers taste. Perhaps a bumper was damaged during shipping and was replaced at the dealer with one they had in stock, even if not the correct bowed overrider design. etc.,etc.,etc...... Another interesting detail on my car is that there was a block off plate where the '67 antenna should be and an earlier style antenna mounted on the driver's side quarter panel. I assume that the car was shipped w/o a radio and the dealer installed it what they had available. Assuming that Garwood was correct, and my bumper was damaged in shipping, I doubt there would be "sloped over rider" bumpers in stock for a replacement. Rick- the dealer installed the radio, antenna. (correct >dealer installed it what they had available.) Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: Zach Gomulka on September 20, 2011, 18:44:24 pm My old '67 was a first week of September '66 car with SB12's, early seats, and early rear over riders. I too had the chrome plug in the ariel hole with a two post ariel mounted on the passenger side. Why would you do that?!?! When I swapped the roof with a donor from another Savannah Biege '67 I noticed that the visor clip mounts were different. There are also early and late '67 assist strap mounts. I'm sure you could write a long boring book on the mid year 67 stuff!
Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: Cornpanzer on September 20, 2011, 18:52:00 pm My German delivery early 67 also had the stainless plug in the cowl with an antenna screwed into the quarter panel. Defies logic doesnt it.
Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: johnl on September 20, 2011, 19:07:02 pm My old '67 was a first week of September '66 car with SB12's, early seats, and early rear over riders. I too had the chrome plug in the ariel hole with a two post ariel mounted on the passenger side. Why would you do that?!?! When I swapped the roof with a donor from another Savannah Biege '67 I noticed that the visor clip mounts were different. There are also early and late '67 assist strap mounts. I'm sure you could write a long boring book on the mid year 67 stuff! I find nothing here "boring" but rather informative. For years people have told me I need to get a life... :'( :'( Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: Rick Meredith on September 20, 2011, 19:08:15 pm My old '67 was a first week of September '66 car with SB12's, early seats, and early rear over riders. I too had the chrome plug in the ariel hole with a two post ariel mounted on the passenger side. Why would you do that?!?! When I swapped the roof with a donor from another Savannah Biege '67 I noticed that the visor clip mounts were different. There are also early and late '67 assist strap mounts. I'm sure you could write a long boring book on the mid year 67 stuff! It would be interesting to see what the VIN number was on that car. Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: Sam K on September 20, 2011, 19:11:23 pm My '67 also had the antenna plug on the a pillar and had a single mount antenna on the left front 1/4 panel. I heard somewhere that all the U.S. market bugs from '67 and earlier had the side mirrors and radios installed at the dealership and the radios were an option so I always assume that was why my car was like that. As far as the assist straps, (or stirrups, as I called them :)) mine are the earlier type with the horizontal screws.
Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: johnl on September 20, 2011, 19:12:02 pm I went back to the Samba link to review the car again. If I'm reading this correctly the original ad was palaced in June and recently updated. It has been viewed by 3690 people. Should this info all be correct and the car is what it is suppose to be why hasn't it sold. What am I missing here?? :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: johnl on September 20, 2011, 19:15:07 pm My '67 also had the antenna plug on the a pillar and had a single mount antenna on the left front 1/4 panel. I heard somewhere that all the U.S. market bugs from '67 and earlier had the side mirrors and radios installed at the dealership and the radios were an option so I always assume that was why my car was like that. As far as the assist straps, (or stirrups, as I called them :)) mine are the earlier type with the horizontal screws. Wait !!! "Stirrups" and "horizontal screws"?? Now what kind of talk is that???? ::) ::) Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: Zach Gomulka on September 20, 2011, 19:22:19 pm My old '67 was a first week of September '66 car with SB12's, early seats, and early rear over riders. I too had the chrome plug in the ariel hole with a two post ariel mounted on the passenger side. Why would you do that?!?! When I swapped the roof with a donor from another Savannah Biege '67 I noticed that the visor clip mounts were different. There are also early and late '67 assist strap mounts. I'm sure you could write a long boring book on the mid year 67 stuff! It would be interesting to see what the VIN number was on that car. 117117279. Is it sad that I still know that?! :D "Stirrups" is great! I always called them ankle straps, but I like stirrups better! :D Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: Rick Meredith on September 20, 2011, 19:49:17 pm Ok so your car was about 25,000 before mine.
Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: Stephan S on September 20, 2011, 21:23:19 pm You '67 guys are weird.
Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: Stephan S on September 20, 2011, 21:23:46 pm :)
Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: Rick Meredith on September 20, 2011, 21:25:56 pm Jealous! ;D
Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: deano on September 20, 2011, 22:47:59 pm I tried to contact this seller, and he won't return any meassages. Since that listing dates back to June, I think it is long gone, and he is too lazy to pull the ad...
Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: bugnut68 on September 20, 2011, 23:03:24 pm Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: Sam K on September 21, 2011, 02:20:08 am My old '67 was a first week of September '66 car with SB12's, early seats, and early rear over riders. I too had the chrome plug in the ariel hole with a two post ariel mounted on the passenger side. Why would you do that?!?! When I swapped the roof with a donor from another Savannah Biege '67 I noticed that the visor clip mounts were different. There are also early and late '67 assist strap mounts. I'm sure you could write a long boring book on the mid year 67 stuff! It would be interesting to see what the VIN number was on that car. 117117279. Is it sad that I still know that?! :D "Stirrups" is great! I always called them ankle straps, but I like stirrups better! :D Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: Rick Meredith on September 21, 2011, 02:58:42 am I guess I'm the other end of the spectrum. I've had my car since '77 and I don't I ever remember lookig at the vin. I certainly couldn't tell you what month it was built in. I did know it was an earlier build but that's about it.
Title: Re: Looks like a good one for somebody... Post by: Sam K on September 21, 2011, 04:01:14 am When i bought my car from my uncle in 1990, he had lost the title and he had owned the car so long that the state had purged their records. There was a lengthy paperwork process to get a new title and I had to write the VIN down so many times that it stuck in my memory.
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