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Title: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on September 30, 2011, 17:43:45 pm Yes, after all I'm here to show my second VW. After driving 26 good years a vintage 1952 original everything beetle it was time to get something else. I found a good candidate from 1959 some months ago. Previous owner had a plan to build a resto-looker and he did the chassis and bottom ready. Although too low suspension with original brakes, engine, gearbox etc wasn't my plan and I'm going to improve it quite totally.
My aim is to build a perfect sleeper without any signs of speed and power resources, so that one day I could drive it to our local vintage car get together and only the deep stroker sound from CSP python could wake up some ears. My recipe for a torque engine is simple like this: - polished Bugpack 84mm crank +8 dowel flywheel and Scat big bolt +Tommis billet pulley and Keimo's bolt + 5,5 Bugpack H-profile rods, new ARP bolts. Porsche journals - VW block machined and reinforced, ff, 94mm Cima cylinders - GB pushrods - Scat pushrod tubes - Schadek 30mm oil pump - KS crank bearings - micro sump - DRD CNC L7 heads 42x37.5 for 94 mm - MSD Billet T-1, MSD 6AL, MSD Blaster 2 - Dellorto 45 DRLA's etc.... to remember something now. New Rancho Pro-Street gearbox and CSP dual circuit disc front and rear brakes, Koni shocks, many kind of supports and stabilizers for suspension and chassis to help 5,5" smoothie rims with hubcaps and quality tires (maybe 175 / 195x15) to handle the much improved power and probably speed as well. The best thing for now is to get a new garage ready within some weeks and being as close as possible to our house :-) Here are some picks and feel free to advice me as I'm still rookie among these lookers. The engine is BTW going to be built by a pro - a friend of mine (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-3mVj_b5uhTo/TV0XT2htgwI/AAAAAAAAMzQ/-bT8qFNmj-k/s640/-viisysi.JPG) As it was some times back (https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-zIxwCXQOvXk/TnyQ660haMI/AAAAAAAANaE/IL9z-RGd-x4/s640/P1100608.JPG) Body just lying on the chassis (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-s1N_AytKDJA/TnyR_d5amKI/AAAAAAAANaU/u97tIfbZw0I/s640/P1100612.JPG) oldies goldies together soon getting in to the new garage... Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Nico86 on October 02, 2011, 18:04:29 pm Welcome to the Lounge ;) Keep us updated ;)
Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on November 22, 2011, 21:03:14 pm Some improvement has happened. Updated front axle: (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-faplholf6Kc/Tsv_eXe7p6I/AAAAAAAANfk/5uUzcA378QM/s640/P1100666.JPG?gl=FI)
Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on February 05, 2012, 18:26:36 pm While waiting Karpiola drive shafts to be ready, some engine building has happened:
Block halves testing... (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Tl0VO0KQc74/TyvOArmevPI/AAAAAAAANxw/G8yoi-6Jw3c/s640/IMG_3865.JPG?gl=FI) Oil for cooling... (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-YlpkAQAJw54/TyvOqlBBqZI/AAAAAAAANyg/1F2mDBd9ves/s640/IMG_3872.JPG?gl=FI) This recommendation will fit perfectly to my plans to get a real GT power: Hello, I would recommend JPM00806(263deg at 0.05” , 9.64mm cam lift and 106LC) very strong low and midrange with decent top end. I also recommend 7075 billet dual taper PR, makes the engine less noicy and nicer to the valvetrain. Parts are in stock. Thanks Johannes Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on February 26, 2012, 11:04:21 am Some work has been done for the chassis
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-kA8tIzlE7qU/T0Y081HXgoI/AAAAAAAAN8E/oalP5kFTn7o/s640/P1100856.JPG?gl=FI) It's looking so innocent - Later same style 5,5 rims and quality tyres will give better handling on the road - I hope so... (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-9yrXLuKTh6I/T0joAcJa-XI/AAAAAAAAN8M/t6yg9ixWs3E/s640/P1100858.JPG?gl=FI) As I'm not willing to make a roll cage to strengthen the chassis and body, what do you think if I install kabrio supports? Any experience? When the engine is ready, I'll add those bars for the rear support - just having some image for now (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-jPrgeyELT2Q/T0OsHyXcXkI/AAAAAAAAN7k/MeetvZ9G9xE/s512/P1100850.JPG?gl=FI) My next job is the body with so many rotten corners, although generally its quite straight... Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: thehanz DVK on February 26, 2012, 11:08:22 am looks promising....good job so far
Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Fiatdude on February 26, 2012, 20:05:41 pm Having just gone this route with high horse power and small tires -- the wheel hop is going to be substantial and can end up hurting a lot of parts including your trans --- you are going to need at least a 6 point cage that ties into your trans horns and stops all the flex right where it starts --- I just bought a RLR bolt in roll bar system to fix this problem
Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on February 26, 2012, 21:11:32 pm Having just gone this route with high horse power and small tires -- the wheel hop is going to be substantial and can end up hurting a lot of parts including your trans --- you are going to need at least a 6 point cage that ties into your trans horns and stops all the flex right where it starts --- I just bought a RLR bolt in roll bar system to fix this problem Those rims and tyres are just temporally fitted to move the chassis. I'm going to use these 5,5 " rims (http://api.vwheritage.com/_img/med/149834_01_med.jpg) and better tyres. The idea is to hide the great potential of my beetle to give a nice surprise for these beemers ;) The good and strong cage might be a must. It is just now too visible sign of tuned vehicle and I'm willing to try without it first - although there is a set of Recaros... Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Fritter on February 26, 2012, 21:22:57 pm Great concept. Nice job on the pan, looks like this car will handle great. The kafer bar will stop most of the wheelhop I'm sure. This car doesn't look to be a hardcore drag racer anyways.
Interesting concept on the Kabrio supports. Are you saying you will install the heater channel supports, the front footwell pieces and also the rear seat bottom pieces? I haven't seen that done before and it's a great idea for a stealthy and tighter car. ;D Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Fiatdude on February 27, 2012, 01:44:18 am Where are you getting those 5.5 rims at??? Thanks
Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on February 27, 2012, 08:04:34 am Where are you getting those 5.5 rims at??? Thanks I got one set last year from VW Heritage http://www.vwheritage.com/vw_spares_NCA-Wheel-Solid-5-5x15-5-205_act_shop.product_pID_149834_lang_EN_country_GB.htm It seems to be out of stock at a moment. These rims are actually with clips, so even hubcaps are possible to use. And these are also with a groove for tubeless tyres. With an original theme of paint these will match to my plans. I cannot say how those will go to front axle as it is not narrowed and CSP brakes add about half inch per side Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on February 27, 2012, 08:54:20 am Great concept. Nice job on the pan, looks like this car will handle great. The kafer bar will stop most of the wheelhop I'm sure. This car doesn't look to be a hardcore drag racer anyways. Interesting concept on the Kabrio supports. Are you saying you will install the heater channel supports, the front footwell pieces and also the rear seat bottom pieces? I haven't seen that done before and it's a great idea for a stealthy and tighter car. ;D These heater channel supports (http://www.vwkaeferersatzteile.de/Body-Shell/Convertible-Holm/Heating-channel-reinforement-beams-1200-1300-1500::534.html) are easy to get but haven't seen the others for sale. Maybe the rear seat support could be easy to fabricate by myself, but the meaning is not so important with a hardtop. And for sure, I don't have experience if there is really any meaning with these :-\ Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on May 01, 2012, 20:36:34 pm WHAT, a rear A-C engine Golf ???
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-QXyJS9IG4fE/T5_z4BP_j2I/AAAAAAAAONE/wOwNx_HTbJk/s640/086.JPG?gl=FI) Some interesting letters and numbers (https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-09aGFyngfd0/T5_zOPepVzI/AAAAAAAAOL8/JhOku9JT2f8/s640/065.JPG?gl=FI) Now it is the boring bodywork waiting... Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Fiatdude on May 01, 2012, 22:40:54 pm Mine needs body work too LOL -- But I've pulled the engine and I am now selling the car
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss306/Fiatdude/006.jpg) (http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss306/Fiatdude/008.jpg) Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: JS on May 02, 2012, 06:38:50 am While waiting Karpiola drive shafts to be ready, some engine building has happened: Block halves testing... (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Tl0VO0KQc74/TyvOArmevPI/AAAAAAAANxw/G8yoi-6Jw3c/s640/IMG_3865.JPG?gl=FI) Oil for cooling... (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-YlpkAQAJw54/TyvOqlBBqZI/AAAAAAAANyg/1F2mDBd9ves/s640/IMG_3872.JPG?gl=FI) This recommendation will fit perfectly to my plans to get a real GT power: Hello, I would recommend JPM00806(263deg at 0.05” , 9.64mm cam lift and 106LC) very strong low and midrange with decent top end. I also recommend 7075 billet dual taper PR, makes the engine less noicy and nicer to the valvetrain. Parts are in stock. Thanks Johannes Extra piston cooling is very interesting - are you running high compression on this engine to take advantage of the added cooling? Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on May 04, 2012, 05:36:16 am While waiting Karpiola drive shafts to be ready, some engine building has happened: Block halves testing... (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Tl0VO0KQc74/TyvOArmevPI/AAAAAAAANxw/G8yoi-6Jw3c/s640/IMG_3865.JPG?gl=FI) Oil for cooling... (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-YlpkAQAJw54/TyvOqlBBqZI/AAAAAAAANyg/1F2mDBd9ves/s640/IMG_3872.JPG?gl=FI) This recommendation will fit perfectly to my plans to get a real GT power: Hello, I would recommend JPM00806(263deg at 0.05” , 9.64mm cam lift and 106LC) very strong low and midrange with decent top end. I also recommend 7075 billet dual taper PR, makes the engine less noicy and nicer to the valvetrain. Parts are in stock. Thanks Johannes Extra piston cooling is very interesting - are you running high compression on this engine to take advantage of the added cooling? CR is 11,05 - quite high but we have 98 oct. petrol. I wanted an engine with plenty of everyday torque Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on May 04, 2012, 06:08:56 am I have to update the ready engine combo...
- polished Bugpack 84mm crank +8 dowel lightened flywheel and Chromoly bolt - Kennedy stage II + 200mm, Kush-Lok - 5,5 Bugpack H-profile rods, new ARP bolts. Porsche journals - VW block machined and reinforced, ff, - 94mm AA cylinder/pistons - Schadek 30mm oil pump - Porsche 911 oil squirters - KS crank bearings - Raptor PM00806 (263deg at 0.05” , 9.64mm cam lift and 106LC) - JPM 7075 billet dual taper pushrods - Scat steel straight cut cam gears - JayCee no leak tubes - 1,4 SCAT Pro-Comp 4340 Chromoly rockers - DRD CNC L7 heads 42x37.5 - MSD Billet T-1, MSD 6AL, MSD Blaster 2 - Dellorto 45 DRLA's with 36 mm venturies - S-S Sidewinder - CR 11.05 - wide oil sump, filters, coolers etc. Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: andy198712 on May 14, 2012, 22:06:37 pm very nice!
how did you make the oil squirters? Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on May 15, 2012, 05:41:20 am very nice! how did you make the oil squirters? To be honest - I don't have any idea... BUT the guy who is actually very famous A/C VW & Posche engineer here in Finland knows how to build reliable engines and used these Porsche 911 101 011 01 squirters. Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: andy198712 on May 15, 2012, 21:41:28 pm very nice! how did you make the oil squirters? To be honest - I don't have any idea... BUT the guy who is actually very famous A/C VW & Posche engineer here in Finland knows how to build reliable engines and used these Porsche 911 101 011 01 squirters. Cheers i may look into that ;D every little helps and all! the one on my KTM is like a carb jet screwed in.... loving the thread mate, keep it up 8) Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on September 07, 2012, 21:12:18 pm Its time to continue and the first modification is a rack&pinion steering. Unfortunately my beetle is with a king link beam, so the German system wasn't just a bolt-on. The left side shock is too close and the R&P system must locate about two inches towards right. I'll get some parts soon to finish this, but testing shows even now, that tie rods length will have about the same two inch difference. First I had a plan to extend the joint in the middle to get equal length rods, but maybe there would not be any meaning of such a minimal difference comparing original tie rods...? I'm going to use a 1203/1303 double joint for the steering column to get it align. Please advice me if I'm going to make something stupid or dangerous :-)
Picture about testing R&P steering... (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-GmC34T6h2rQ/UEot2FeDOAI/AAAAAAAAOTA/D_oYHIyD_-M/s700/P1110095.JPG) And this is the situation of the rear end... (https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ZkjQT9smm6o/UCvgQ0kt8iI/AAAAAAAAOP0/J_3FlnuoUO4/s700/P1110079.JPG) Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on November 12, 2012, 19:52:06 pm Bodywork is going slowly by slowly. I decided not to be in a hurry and even I'm not going to have a target like the show stopper, It's nice to know that everything is tried to make well - or maybe I have to say as well as possible. I'm learning by doing ;D
some process... typical found repair from the history: (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-72FRdmtOdVQ/UF3DK0z6-9I/AAAAAAAAOys/Rp7VcIreWlw/s700/P1100802.JPG) step two: (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-kuvUmk89SbQ/UJkPtZgm4RI/AAAAAAAAO28/qd22_tdOyhQ/s700/P1110225.JPG) step three: (https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-T74Zkt6g_a4/UKEskj4g3vI/AAAAAAAAO6U/9TFD66Gi9VQ/s700/P1110243.JPG) Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on April 01, 2013, 18:00:05 pm Something has been done here. Looks clean!
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-OPXGHO6z3q0/UVlnfPADB3I/AAAAAAAAQ_E/OrBcyHF9hrQ/s821/P1110630.JPG) some small details... (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-l5zpsHnEcTg/UVln1oXOEII/AAAAAAAAQ_M/ilFXnXkKKz4/s700/P1110631.JPG) Oil will be cool... (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-lxMUAi3vhc4/UUMnmGMBJKI/AAAAAAAAQ4g/vW14UAahTpk/s700/P1110602.JPG) R-P steering ready (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-VKrbwpiO9Aw/UUMos3JS4HI/AAAAAAAAQ4w/GnKgzX529II/s700/P1110605.JPG) Fuel systems ready as well (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4dvadqVUvME/UVlnMnvq73I/AAAAAAAAQ-8/OebN5WsQptE/s700/P1110628.JPG) Body has gone to be sand blasted and probably tomorrow its on the way to painter. I'm preparing wings, doors and lids to be painted as well with the original fjord blue colour. Quite sure, this summer will be my last with an original split -52 and then it will be for sale. No kicks with it anymore after 28 slow motoring 25 hp years... Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: cedric on April 01, 2013, 20:17:51 pm Good work! I gonne follow this project! ;D
Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: busbusbus on April 04, 2013, 06:36:13 am nicework, which car is the rack steering from?
Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on April 04, 2013, 16:59:23 pm nicework, which car is the rack steering from? The R&P steering is from VW Polo. That system to fit it to beetle is a copy with slight modifications from a German set. Originally it was designed for ball joint beam, so I had to change the position of steering rack about two inches to the right. Left tie rod is a shortened VW beetle RH side rod and the right tie rod is from VW Polo. I added the original steering absorber to make sure there is no daabadaaba when I go to annual inspection. Rules here demand a steering absorber when engine is bigger than original 1,2 -59 model... Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: busbusbus on April 04, 2013, 23:54:01 pm thanks for the reply. it looks a really good setup.
wasn't possible to lenghten the connection piece between rack and tie rods, more to the center, to have them equal lenght? i believe that it is always better that the original setup but equal lenght would be perfect, like 1302/1303. Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on April 05, 2013, 14:40:03 pm thanks for the reply. it looks a really good setup. wasn't possible to lenghten the connection piece between rack and tie rods, more to the center, to have them equal lenght? i believe that it is always better that the original setup but equal lenght would be perfect, like 1302/1303. The left shock with this king pin front beam is the reason for the off center rack. I got some good advice to reduce bump steer but it wasn't possible to avoid it completely. From suspension travel bottom to top it is still some millimeters - measured from tyre to tyre. As I'm not going to use low profile tyres and not driving rally or off road there should not be much meaning. I wanted to get more accurate and better feeling or connection for the steering BTW - There must be something basically mad with this hobby of beetle body repair. Like front wings now. I could get a set of those with some hundreds of euros and maybe after some final touch those would be fine looking. But for some reason I have a set of old wings with rust and dents. Maybe not even OEM quality, just dismantled from this -59 and an other oval era beetle. I have done now about ten hours work to repair and straighten those and still some sand blasting and finish will be needed before sending to paint pro. The only reason must be to see the limit of skills and nerves - and lungs for dust... Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on November 21, 2013, 22:07:33 pm After so many long days waiting the paintshop finishing their previous works, my beetle is now under professional care. Basically sand blasting didn't give any big cases and now the body is getting nice original fjord blue colour. Few places are ready and it is so nice to see those gloss results. If everything goes well, I'll get the body + all shiny pieces of beetle before Christmas. You'll get me then from my garage :-)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-90D96xc_DxA/Uo5DA43RzcI/AAAAAAAARr4/bycZFjYi-LA/w860-h645-no/P1120020.JPG) (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-xT11W7_zaag/Uo5C_0S-4iI/AAAAAAAARr0/GCCaFsSmml0/w860-h645-no/P1120019.JPG) (https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-YQGCyvsAihA/Uo5C-GcexpI/AAAAAAAARrg/DXcEz6QkhNg/w860-h645-no/P1120017.JPG) (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-VsQW-1sJXak/Uo5C_X7YUgI/AAAAAAAARrs/eyzbEgHzsC0/w484-h645-no/P1120018.JPG) Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: broen messiaen on November 24, 2013, 09:47:26 am look nice.
Is the R-P steering from a vw polo 86c or a 6N? Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on November 24, 2013, 14:57:54 pm look nice. I think it is 86c. Some discussion here (http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3566083)Is the R-P steering from a vw polo 86c or a 6N? Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Roflhat on November 27, 2013, 15:11:04 pm awesome build!
Think sleepers are the coolest bug, mine will be on too 8) Although I lowered it for better handling... Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on December 07, 2013, 14:02:41 pm Just waiting transport to my garage - probably coming Tuesday or Wednesday :-)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/--lmGo7Lajbo/Up8ulu2eSvI/AAAAAAAARuQ/XXwmrYKZlnQ/w860-h645-no/P1120119.JPG) (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-rfhGIRQ_zyU/Upx_zess1wI/AAAAAAAARtw/yMj93W1OAyM/w860-h645-no/P1120026.JPG) (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-NBZi0YmwDo8/Up8umqq2aaI/AAAAAAAARuk/rQrL4hM06CU/w860-h645-no/P1120121.JPG) (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ovt8B03WJzs/Up8uoYRLaXI/AAAAAAAARu4/D12lGn66HIc/w484-h645-no/P1120125.JPG) This will be the best part to assemble everything together Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: speedwell on December 07, 2013, 14:18:57 pm capri blue ??
Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on December 07, 2013, 14:38:38 pm capri blue ?? This is fjord blue. Confirmed and skanned from inside of the glovebox lid.Light makes pictures everytime different. Without flash it looks grey and with flash almost gulf blue. Maybe later I will get change to make sunshine daylight photos, but it is not possible nowdays here in Finland Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: BossHogg76 on December 07, 2013, 15:41:51 pm That looks great :)
Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on December 27, 2013, 20:48:25 pm And finally we had weddings today :-)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Rjl5GTlY0_s/UsQhpoN4HWI/AAAAAAAATCg/ItWMzVboi9o/w860-h645-no/P1120261.JPG) Some issues with a rear support bar, but it looks good to continue assembly now and get this ready for next summer Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: BossHogg76 on January 09, 2014, 05:41:40 am Looks lovely Sepi, and that looks like one well insulated garage ;D
Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Eddie DVK on January 12, 2014, 10:21:29 am This is fjord blue. Confirmed and skanned from inside of the glovebox lid. Light makes pictures everytime different. Without flash it looks grey and with flash almost gulf blue. Maybe later I will get change to make sunshine daylight photos, but it is not possible nowdays here in Finland This will stay, have the same color. And not in one picture the color is the same.. strange. Ps car looks nice Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on January 12, 2014, 14:02:56 pm I have done some electrics and steering is ready. Some modifications should be done behind as air filters are quite a challange to hide under hood. There seems to be sand systems (http://www.cbperformance.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=3388) from CB & separed cone filters and low profile filters (http://www.itgairfilters.com/Megaflow-Product-Range.asp) and also I know a talented alloy smith who can do what ever is needed.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-GY0nmdF_Bco/UtKOHGuF6mI/AAAAAAAATO0/wDl47jaLtJs/w484-h645-no/P1120311.JPG) (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-pagsKA86j6A/UtKOHqUTbZI/AAAAAAAATPE/ewtFvXxC4JU/w484-h645-no/P1120312.JPG) (https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-mTMAbIGCZHU/UsQefBYidJI/AAAAAAAAS5c/pUMhaKTC_vU/w484-h645-no/P1120299.JPG) Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: modnrod on January 12, 2014, 20:34:10 pm (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-GY0nmdF_Bco/UtKOHGuF6mI/AAAAAAAATO0/wDl47jaLtJs/w484-h645-no/P1120311.JPG) 200kph speedo is VERY cool mate. Nicely done. 8) Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on January 13, 2014, 13:12:33 pm Thomas (http://www.tacho-thomas.de/)can do many things! I wanted to get a fuel meter, but then updated the speedo as well. Unfortunately normal life goes on the very beginning of the scale Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on January 15, 2014, 22:01:56 pm Test fitted front wings and it seems that I can use 5,5" rim with some nice modern tyre. The profile depends how low is good to go - maybe 175/65 or 185/60? Rear tyres will be 195/65-15.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-pjI8cqQbzfU/Utal8wKLLDI/AAAAAAAATR0/SlsWtjscJMc/w484-h645-no/P1120323.JPG) (https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-lg4X_JNwvS4/Utal98O2ylI/AAAAAAAATSM/mVaH1SAFKu0/w614-h645-no/P1120322.JPG) Handling should be my priority but with a classic rake - so feel free to recommend good tyres and warn bad ones. Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Zach Gomulka on January 16, 2014, 07:02:29 am That wheel is very flush with the fender, a 175/65 will fit the 5.5" wheel very well, but it will slightly bulge out of the fender, and you will have some fender contact if you have call look rake. You will need either more backspace or a narrowed beam...
Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on January 18, 2014, 16:38:30 pm Basic electrics are almost ready and now MSD etc remaining extras
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-HqbpUhG9UCA/UtqOGc52OSI/AAAAAAAATW8/sWRBvxr1TAg/w673-h897-no/P1120331.JPG) The most usual question goes often like: "where did I put that part which I dismantled two years ago...?" Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: broen messiaen on January 18, 2014, 19:43:55 pm hello, looks very good
could you take a picture where you can see the R&P steering now everything is installed. trough the gas tank opening thanks Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on January 19, 2014, 10:44:22 am hello, looks very good could you take a picture where you can see the R&P steering now everything is installed. trough the gas tank opening thanks It looks like this: (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Rf3JifRMUgs/UtubrlhV-ZI/AAAAAAAATYc/CYHxODeLkuY/w860-h645-no/P1120334.JPG) I can use the -59 fuel tank without any modifications! (https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/5uTt1c3UMD4QFlr9TqnYF30UUE26gPXrOA1hHhN5PM5t=w1044-h645-no) Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: aussie on March 22, 2014, 11:43:06 am Oil will be cool... (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-lxMUAi3vhc4/UUMnmGMBJKI/AAAAAAAAQ4g/vW14UAahTpk/s700/P1110602.JPG) What type of oil cooler is this and what are its dimensions? Fits in there very neatly. Love this car - any updates? Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on March 23, 2014, 08:32:35 am aussie - The cooler is 210x194mm from Setrab. Fan is 8". Brackets I did myself - as you may have seen...
There is something going on almost every day but not so visible. Slowly by slowly Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on April 08, 2014, 21:05:25 pm Interesting connections under the left rear wing...
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-hpa6x_KpSz8/U0QgTbRPxBI/AAAAAAAAZh0/H-3kyo8sRJ0/w544-h645-no/P1120676.JPG) Just wondering, is the oil coming out on the right or on the left from that Mocal adapter with a thermostat to cooler. It should go first to the cooler and then pass the e-switch of the fan. Still easy to chance if somebody tell me how those outlets and inlets should be Most of electrics are ready, but MSD + other fuel systems will be known when engine is ready to start. We had to shorten about one inch those bigbeef manifolds to get the engine lid closed and it is still very close with CB air filters. (https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-omzEVIK3Rcg/U0QgULgyDCI/AAAAAAAAZh8/52nnXVEl5Dk/w484-h645-no/P1120678.JPG) Today I met the long time waited upholstery pro and the interior with new seat cloth will be done during May, but still better to think that this beauty hardly runs before August this year - or next... Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on April 17, 2014, 20:36:39 pm Something going on every day. Electrics here are ready - but now the refurbished cover will hide all that hard work ::)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-2WVqXWzShJg/U0_nHe0-VnI/AAAAAAAAZz8/q7VfNYIHXes/w860-h645-no/P1120726.JPG) 185/65x15 front and 195/65x15 Firestones ordered. This was a test tyre and it fits so nicely, tho that look is a bit rally (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-3omNCPDGkYk/U00OjdhxBFI/AAAAAAAAZsk/vuGF323HplE/w860-h645-no/P1120699.JPG) Rear LED lights with US connections seems to work! Amazing result for this complete amateur :) (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Rp_O19e3nO0/U0llnE7i_HI/AAAAAAAAZjU/rQVbXXpeGrs/w860-h645-no/P1120681.JPG) Now it's a good flow to continue interior and doors! Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: BossHogg76 on April 20, 2014, 11:39:03 am I love this, looks awesome. Can I ask where you got your glovebox from or is the original one
Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on April 20, 2014, 20:45:58 pm Boss, the glovebox is original but I wanted to paint it to get away many stains. Now it looks a bit plastic but it will be hidden behind the cover.
New tyres will arrive on tuesday but first rides are still far away. Now I found some issues with as starter... Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: VWGlassee on April 20, 2014, 21:27:55 pm What a great restoration. Cant wait to see this one finished!
Good luck! :) Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on April 21, 2014, 16:59:37 pm What a great restoration. Cant wait to see this one finished! Good luck! :) You have to wait until SCC 2015. That will be the first journey to abroad and makes the deadline to be ready. So better to be busy now :) Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on May 29, 2014, 06:47:58 am Interior and glasses, that's it! Not far from the registration and back to roads, but it might still take some time as the headliner was wrong colour. Even the box from WW was marked as light grey, but there was a nice set of beige linings.
I'm testing moldings and those original ones are a bit too wide - but maybe my eyes get to seeing that. (https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-rirMdUdjZUc/U4bEMDRpdlI/AAAAAAAAa3k/fVFe6Cp1XCI/w903-h677-no/P1120838.JPG) Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: BossHogg76 on May 29, 2014, 09:05:39 am Lovely, absolutely brilliant. :)
Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: lawrence on May 30, 2014, 04:25:47 am Cool. Keep the updates coming
Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on May 31, 2014, 10:46:33 am It was the first time outside and how innocent it looks! Just like I wanted - grandpa is propably going to buy some milk with his old beetle...
But as you can see, there is something wrong with the colour of the door :( This might mean new paint and why this happened for an experienced (and expensive!) paintshop pro, I can just wonder. This is a risk if you paint all parts of the body separately. Anyway this is going back to painter for polishing and the we will have a discussion (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-jADrKzHrHuA/U4i8qTmkGgI/AAAAAAAAa-Y/gK8W63v_dHg/w903-h677-no/P1120873.JPG) Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: modnrod on May 31, 2014, 13:10:36 pm You've really nailed the sleeper look.
Good stuff. ;D Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: lawrence on June 01, 2014, 00:36:35 am Perfect. More photos please
Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on July 20, 2014, 14:54:34 pm Now doors are right and most flaws of paint have been polished. It's hard to make 100% with old parts collected from here and there, like those front wings. Left and right horn grill holes aren't exactly the same position and it causes the front bumper to look like not straight :-[ But this beetle is built to go, not not for show, so nitpickers have to look another project
Anyway, interior is ordered six weeks ago from TMI, but I'm still waiting. As I'm waiting some moldings and stuff from local VW part dealer - who responces once a month and do not reply if he has any or anything ready to be posted to me. Nerves nerves... and no timetable for anything seems to be the most important lesson to learn with this project... (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-W7LB6650bFE/U8omef9q3DI/AAAAAAAAbSw/NW0V1urXWRw/w1118-h642-no/P1120904.JPG) Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Henrik Hagen on July 20, 2014, 16:56:43 pm Hello
Very cool car (-: I have some questions? Your front brakes - Is that zero offset CSP brakes or Your spindles is that stock spindles or lowered spindles? Stock beam - narrow beam - Lowered beam? Best regards Henrik Hagen Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on July 20, 2014, 17:34:18 pm Henrik, those are original spindles and normal CSP front brakes. It is quite out with those 5,5" rims, but ok to my taste.
Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Henrik Hagen on July 20, 2014, 18:24:12 pm OK thanks for your answer.
Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on July 22, 2014, 18:28:01 pm OK thanks for your answer. I forgot to write that front beam is original width and adjustable and now more or less half way up and down. I cannot make it much lower as those tyres will start to give problems And NOW it seems that the long waited interior roof cloth lining is arrived to Finland and I'll get it done soon :-) After that we will start and tune the engine, make some final touch and then everything should be ready to MOT & registration. Let's hope the inspector would be positively surprised and I'll get the bug back to roads after 18 years. Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: dielinde on July 23, 2014, 10:56:29 am Wau it is a nice car 8) 8) i love it
Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on July 30, 2014, 11:59:50 am I was told the headliner IS in Finland but still somewere on handling. So, something little is going on - like this
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-M7s_nrv7Lak/U9FWb7RLDhI/AAAAAAAAbbU/OneWLexXsWw/w903-h677-no/P1130008.JPG) and this - notice the two speed fan for cabin :-) (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ibEcZ8SRedY/U9Tsn8Tn9QI/AAAAAAAAbcA/yp2jDzJUcqs/w903-h677-no/P1130010.JPG) and this (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-W21Vzjh_IhE/U9Yb1NSWDkI/AAAAAAAAbeQ/QBC7yPzQ4Ag/w903-h677-no/P1130014.JPG) but just fake pea shooters to fill those notches (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-zzHkuyt9JXI/U9Yb2XCHYyI/AAAAAAAAbec/Qhuv7-wY4ys/w903-h677-no/P1130016.JPG) Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Rocket Ron on July 30, 2014, 13:25:51 pm I was told the headliner IS in Finland but still somewere on handling. So, something little is going on - like this (https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-M7s_nrv7Lak/U9FWb7RLDhI/AAAAAAAAbbU/OneWLexXsWw/w903-h677-no/P1130008.JPG) and this - notice the two speed fan for cabin :-) (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ibEcZ8SRedY/U9Tsn8Tn9QI/AAAAAAAAbcA/yp2jDzJUcqs/w903-h677-no/P1130010.JPG) and this (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-W21Vzjh_IhE/U9Yb1NSWDkI/AAAAAAAAbeQ/QBC7yPzQ4Ag/w903-h677-no/P1130014.JPG) but just fake pea shooters to fill those notches (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-zzHkuyt9JXI/U9Yb2XCHYyI/AAAAAAAAbec/Qhuv7-wY4ys/w903-h677-no/P1130016.JPG) Love the peashooters 8) Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: miguel on August 02, 2014, 08:36:28 am hahaha :D very coll idea peashooters
Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on August 05, 2014, 21:36:59 pm Last days of my holiday spent to make some of those about million small things; interior, seat belts, etc. One wind screen was here but unfortunately it was for 65>. BTW, counting all those days to wait for a part or work to be done by pros' must be now almost a year and I have tried to plan what to do next and when. Amazing! But when the correct wind screen is here and on the place it should be, there are not many things to do now anymore. After registration and test drives I'm sure the gearbox will be done during next winter to stay dry and clean. Have anybody else such leaking issues with a brand new Rancho pro street boxes?
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-wLnHSXORFtM/U9-GB_ssJKI/AAAAAAAAbrc/2WW0QtvXiFQ/w903-h677-no/P1130074.JPG) (https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-sqNN5mKK_Eo/U-C0gb-fT8I/AAAAAAAAbts/YPt98iDuBdw/w508-h677-no/P1130075.JPG) (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ZcjRFZDkLHc/U-HuYgqSiiI/AAAAAAAAbuc/4Fn3_ANDzkM/w926-h677-no/P1130076.JPG) Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: kev d on August 06, 2014, 20:29:58 pm Very nice 8)
And I really like the fake exhaust! :D Cheers Kev Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: TomJ on August 06, 2014, 22:32:31 pm and this - notice the two speed fan for cabin :-) (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ibEcZ8SRedY/U9Tsn8Tn9QI/AAAAAAAAbcA/yp2jDzJUcqs/w903-h677-no/P1130010.JPG) Such a great car! Love it...where did you source the fan from? Cheers Tom Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on August 07, 2014, 06:54:23 am Tom ^ I bought this simple fan from Biltema (http://www.biltema.se/sv/Bat/VVS/Ventilation/Motorrumsflakt-25832/) Then I painted it and added the meshwire to intake. With a two position switch and a resistor I got it working like a modern gadget. That hose is from old Hoover
Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Type1/DVK on August 07, 2014, 10:48:36 am do you have a brand name for that R&P steering unit? love the sleeper setup!
edit: Found it ;) The R&P steering is from VW Polo. That system to fit it to beetle is a copy with slight modifications from a German set. Originally it was designed for ball joint beam, so I had to change the position of steering rack about two inches to the right. Left tie rod is a shortened VW beetle RH side rod and the right tie rod is from VW Polo. I added the original steering absorber to make sure there is no daabadaaba when I go to annual inspection. Rules here demand a steering absorber when engine is bigger than original 1,2 -59 model... Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on August 07, 2014, 12:46:58 pm do you have a brand name for that R&P steering unit? love the sleeper setup! edit: Found it ;) The R&P steering is from VW Polo. That system to fit it to beetle is a copy with slight modifications from a German set. Originally it was designed for ball joint beam, so I had to change the position of steering rack about two inches to the right. Left tie rod is a shortened VW beetle RH side rod and the right tie rod is from VW Polo. I added the original steering absorber to make sure there is no daabadaaba when I go to annual inspection. Rules here demand a steering absorber when engine is bigger than original 1,2 -59 model... There was a german set for sale some years ago, tho I haven't seen it for a while, but our local copycat ;) did this (http://cal-look.no/lounge/index.php/topic,22655.0.html) one for sale. I had to modify that set to fit my old beetle. Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on August 07, 2014, 13:04:11 pm For the sleeper style, engine lid couldn't be ajar in any corner and with these air cleaners the engine breathing works - so this much must be sacrifice. It looks a bit weird, but it works and removing couple of millimetres from lip the stack, it cannot effect much for the air flow - I hope so...
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-R6n2xr04yz8/U-Noi4yjB1I/AAAAAAAAbwA/LEaHLdPG-W4/w903-h677-no/P1130080.JPG) Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on August 08, 2014, 14:57:23 pm Today we agreed to start the engine on Sunday with the pro who built it. As a total dumb with these strokers, I don't take any risk.
Moldings (split beetle type) should also be here anytime and that's it for now. (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-dMP3KUT7WD0/U-S_i0dKpkI/AAAAAAAAb1k/E1vAgXjxKUU/w975-h677-no/P1130086-001.JPG) Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Zach Gomulka on August 08, 2014, 15:40:34 pm Car is looking great 8)
Why not plumb the exhaust to the fake peashooters to make them functional? Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on August 08, 2014, 20:16:38 pm Zach, it't better now to leave this way as I don't want any whistling pipes around this beetle.
Sorry to add too many pictures, but I'm just in flames and dusk light gives nice contrast and the fjord blue comes real (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-r52OqlEfKPQ/U-UddCzgTaI/AAAAAAAAcLg/qq85nt-jmA0/w991-h677-no/P1130110.JPG) Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Zach Gomulka on August 09, 2014, 06:02:17 am Zach, it't better now to leave this way as I don't want any whistling pipes around this beetle. I think it would ad to the sleeper look ;) To each their own, car is looking great ;) Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: TomJ on August 10, 2014, 07:35:03 am Tom ^ I bought this simple fan from Biltema (http://www.biltema.se/sv/Bat/VVS/Ventilation/Motorrumsflakt-25832/) Then I painted it and added the meshwire to intake. With a two position switch and a resistor I got it working like a modern gadget. That hose is from old Hoover Excellent! Thanks for the info Sepi. Cheers Tom Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on August 10, 2014, 20:30:12 pm It works (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nNXkeJDESA&feature=em-upload_owner)! - but something is wrong again with the new IMI (http://www.hitorque.com/searchresults.asp?cat=28) starter. It works (also solenoid clangs, but no contact for teeth. Starter is tighted right and all cables connected. Tomorrow I'll try to find time to take it out and see what is wrong. Is that common with those starters, or do I get all monday craps?
Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on August 14, 2014, 20:47:20 pm It works (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nNXkeJDESA&feature=em-upload_owner)! - but something is wrong again with the new IMI (http://www.hitorque.com/searchresults.asp?cat=28) starter. It works (also solenoid clangs, but no contact for teeth. Starter is tighted right and all cables connected. Tomorrow I'll try to find time to take it out and see what is wrong. Is that common with those starters, or do I get all monday craps? This (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlBIDTUVR3M) was the problem. Now a new - IMI again - starter is there and so far so good. Some small oil leaks around filter and Rancho gearbox, but nothing serious - I hope so. Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Fiatdude on August 14, 2014, 21:44:08 pm I highly recommend using a starter for a automatic bug -- -- You'll find the IMI spin at a slower speed than stock (reduction gearing) which can also be a problem at times -- I've never had an issue since switching over years ago, spins my 2989 without any issues
Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on August 15, 2014, 05:54:01 am I highly recommend using a starter for a automatic bug -- -- You'll find the IMI spin at a slower speed than stock (reduction gearing) which can also be a problem at times -- I've never had an issue since switching over years ago, spins my 2989 without any issues Skoda Felicia (http://www.startermotor-alternator-store.co.uk/skoda-felicia-19d-96-99-starter-motor-t219-6726-p.asp) starter is also recommend and as a spare it is easilily availlable here. We'll see. If this still have issues, I'll look something else than IMI Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on August 22, 2014, 19:34:42 pm First kilometres driven and not bad at all. Still some fine tuning, but basic things were quite right. Steering was also better than expected, but I couldn't do any real test. So within a week or two I'm driving this beauty to inspection office to get licence plates and a proper insurance. I hope he will give me those important documents to enjoy these last warm days with my beetle.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-QtbitSrspOU/U-u0OWEMoxI/AAAAAAAAcRg/oZDaf7BrEEM/w1113-h677-no/P1130137.JPG) Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Type1/DVK on August 22, 2014, 21:32:36 pm Great work! keep on posting here! :D
Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on September 07, 2014, 10:41:58 am Propably I can call this ready - or as ready as these can be.
This -59 beetle is completely assembled and tuned again here in Mikkeli, so I can proudly call this as The Mikkeli Edition (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-XKxcIOnf0lQ/VAwle4-lb7I/AAAAAAAAcc8/IEYzX_3xmk0/w444-h677-no/P1130161.JPG) Previous pictures were "corrected" - which means destroyed by picasaweb, but now this blue is more like the real one - and my -52 is as well a pastel green (https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ENKTZwcSdmU/VAwldIjFFqI/AAAAAAAAcdE/rKpghmRMtjM/w1118-h519-no/P1130159.JPG) (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-zfiJU_OPOU4/VAwlhuSC7kI/AAAAAAAAcco/GwwHSWwAdtE/w903-h677-no/P1130167.JPG) (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-xFgPiKbm3mM/VAwliDhKExI/AAAAAAAAcc0/TtHSE_hxZ4I/w903-h677-no/P1130168.JPG) Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on September 13, 2014, 11:20:21 am Today this -59 is again between lisence plates after twenty eight years - three and half years with me.
Still lot of small things to do but normal driving and testing is now possible and much easier. These modern europlates are for time beeing only as those wanted ones are here in Finland 900,-€ and I'll order those later. (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-JuVD_0BZof8/VBQSK9navCI/AAAAAAAAch4/MMAgbh0wmvA/w903-h677-no/P1130185.JPG) Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Cheesepanzer on September 17, 2014, 00:09:30 am A very cool and unique build. Congrats on a great looking car. ;D
Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on October 17, 2014, 11:18:14 am Today got the correct lisence plate for this -59. It's now long winter to wait until next time on the road
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-WswYqGa5gF0/VEDrCj5j4PI/AAAAAAAAcnI/41GWDAbCROY/w816-h677-no/P1130195.JPG) Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: modnrod on October 17, 2014, 20:03:54 pm 8)
Title: Re: -59 sleeper project Post by: Sepi on April 28, 2015, 20:46:05 pm Spring should be here, but only three or four days warm enough to ride this 59. Still tuning carbs and doing some other small things to get more confidence to travel longer trips
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