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Okay, so the seller is not passing these off as Webers, but as "new replacement carb/carburetor for bug/beetle/vw/44idf".
I like this part in the description . . .  "please think about carefully before buy ".  Note the sellers name . . . any relation to the Bergs we know?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220795329709

i seriously doubt it

Well they've already sold several of them ... some even to the US.
Maybe the owners lurk here and will chime in as to there impressions?
Sure are inexpensive ;)

TxT

its most likely an china EMPI HPMX without any of the EMPI stamps of quality on it...   ;D

hence could be loosely called a reproduction IDF

PRC webers, why not?  They make everything else...or so it seems.

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/454647524/IDF_44.html?s=p

48s too!

http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/125036135/WEBER_48_IDA_CARBURETOR.html

Chebers?

Frickin' China.   ::)

I am torn with China stuff.  I like Harbor Freight, the cheapness, etc.  But I hate the copying and shitty quality. 

I feel dirty when I buy China stuff, like that feeling you had in college when you got ripped and banged the fat ugly chick.   ;D

  ;D

new replacement carb/carburetor for bug/beetle/vw/44idf
 
40idf please see the item number 220737426352
 
No any number  and words printed on carb body,
 
I think will fit many cars ,but i don`t know the details
 
but can`t sure fit   your engine 100%, please think about carefully before buy .
 
ANY QUESTIONS PLEASE ASK ME, I WILL REPLY YOU SOONLY.
 
I shipping to worldwide ,and the shipping cost will be 35 USD.


WTF, how your english?

Lems ::)

Chinker's ?

In their defense.   From airframe components for 737's to 99 cent pliers, everything is made to a customers specs.

That is assuming QC is doing their job and the right palms are greased.


PS. If you have the chance, visit China for a few weeks...more than an eyefull !!

They are selling the knock offs it would appear, and I would take the originals when the option is there...but with over 1000 feedbacks and 100% positive,...hmmm. They are doing something right. I think they may want to consider letting someone help them with the Chinese to English translation. Would be interesting to see if anyone here has dealt with them personally.

HaHa!

Of course! I was absolutely joking about the eBay seller having any relation to the Bergs. As soon as I saw that username I was cracking up laughing!

I think you’re right. China must have the capability to produce world-class products . . . at least the equipment to do so. As for quality, R&D and creating new, original designs. . . well . . . I guess China keeps busy just scratching the itch . . . they have plenty of customers willing to buy imitation.

I was just caught a little off guard when I saw these. I think one of the worst part of something like this ( or wheels, or restoration parts, or 90.5mm P/L, or . . . ) is when cheap junk floods the market and reduces the demand and incentive for other companies to produce nice parts.

Then don't buy china crap! My motor I think has all American and or German parts in it! That's it. I would not trust their GARBAGE ENGINEERING AND FORGING for anything in my 8000.00 plus motor.
A prime example is scats "lube a lobe" lifters and many of their other JUNK parts sold to the masses.
     The Made in America stuff will cost you big time up front, but save you big time in back by not failing and taking out your entire motor...... ;)

A lot of the parts out there are made in China with the finish machine work done here in the U.S.

so that makes the forging, strength and materials good then huh.........

Compared to what/whom?  I'm not saying I like it, only stating the facts... ;D  Ask the guys at any of the major performance parts manufacturers where they're getting their parts, I'm sure they could likely detail the specifics.

My Take on Chinese parts.  

Six years ago I bought a brand new Honda CRF 50 F.  I modified it with an American made 88cc top end, clutch, Sano billet swingarm & BBR billet front end.  At the same time, my friend who wanted to save money, bought a Chinese knock off pit bike that looked like my bike.  Upon assembly out of its crate,  you could see lots of quality compromises.  After one hour,  the transmission fell apart.

These days many parts imported from China have been refined by American R&D.  So the quality is better.  All that aside,  the Chinese government is mandating the people to work as slaves for minimal pay and there are no regulations or standards of pollution control.  Not to mention the news reports of the Chinese Government's involvement in cyber-hacking our technology.

I remember the comparison of VW German parts with Brazilian and Mexican made parts in the 80's.  Ironically, I'm building my engine with Brazilian and Mexican parts to avoid using any Chinese parts.

The American manufacturers will exploit any foreign country for manufacturing just to stay in business.  It won't be long when the Chinese manufacturing companies will recognize their quality, raise their price and the American companies find another country to exploit.  During all of this,  American citizens continue to be unemployed....outsourcing really blows....

Hi Larry,
     You know what, I don't know you. But I will add my two cents to what you just said: You left one thing out of your reply. Maybe American companies HAVE TO DO THIS BECAUSE OF STRICT EPA CRAP AND BULLSHIT REGULATIONS IMPOSED ON THEM IN THIS COUNTRY.
      And what do I mean by that???? Bullshit global warming laws, purchasing carbon credits, and the list of crap goes on!!!! They  DO NOT DO THAT IN CHINA! And you know that. Then we have the Communist Government over there that makes the people work and live at the factories for 10.00 a MONTH!!!!
     I honestly feel that American companies WANT TO MANUFACTURE THEIR PRODUCTS HERE. WITH EMPLOYEES WHO CARE AND DO A SUPERB JOB. BUT HOW CAN THEY WHEN WE HAVE A NITWIT PRESIDENT AND THE EPA THINKS THEY ARE GOD.
     And on "ALL CHINA PARTS", Check out Pauter, Berg, Bugpack. They do have American quality parts! And you can still get German parts too. ANY LITTLE CHINESE PART I HAVE PUT ON MY MOTOR HAS FAILED...MISERABLY!!!!
     My 2165 is all German and American parts. And it runs great! ;) If you ask for a demand USA parts, they will start producing them. YOU CANNOT, I REPEAT CANNOT, TAKE A GARBAGE PART AND MAKE IT BETTER BY MACHINING IT OVER HERE! I DO NOT CARE HOW GOOD YOU ARE. A GARBAGE PART IS A GARBAGE PART.....................lol
     

FWIW, my 2017 in the works has a DPR welded German stroker crank... I'll gladly support businesses like Jose at DPR, not only for the quality product by the customer service, as well.  I'm hard pressed to think of any Chinese parts in/on my engine at the moment; maybe the 36 horse shroud from Scat, but I'm not sure they're made overseas.  Rods are stock German VW 311 rods, stroker clearanced, lifters are German, cam is Engle... at most, maybe some of the case hardware or tin hardware is offshore, but thats' about it ;D

China Idf:s

http://www.aircooled.fi/data/i/idf_10.jpg

http://www.aircooled.fi/data/dth/id/idf_2_fsak49n2eu.jpg_860x860.jpg

http://www.aircooled.fi/data/dth/id/idf_3_6acev-5ns1.jpg_860x860.jpg

Jose is a great guy and does nice work! That's a great crank and will last if you take care of it! The more American German parts the better in my opinion. I would not even consider purchasing fake chine webers. No thanks! Dont need the heachache's

Italians or Spainish ones for me!  8)

Ted

Yeah, cuz you know the Dems are the ones that outsource to China! Right! ::)

Are we still talking about Webers? Italian chicks are hot, but some are crazy!  ;)  I guess my Italian Webers are pretty good too, though not as good as an Italian woman.

 I really wish China would quit copying and producing lesser quality items, and instead come up with some new and innovative items....As long as "we" (American's) are going to depend on them to build everything for us anyways. Of course I dream of the same thing most other (conscious and partially educated) American's dream of...An America that has potential to support itself using it's own resources and all this damn fancy education we apparently have. All these "Alumni of insert school name here" bumper stickers and license plate frames and our country is still going down hill. So much for education! ::) Just my opinion here....Not that anyone asked.

-Andy

Have you seen the new Fiat Abarth commercial???

My nephew was in China 5 years ago, he and a couple friends bought 10 ROLEX watches
for less than 35 BUCKS (total) $3.50 each, the one he bought is still working, although you
have to wind it every hour or so !! Just cuz it's from CHINA and it looks like a WEBER doesn't
mean it will run like a WEBER. I remember a great philosopher ( GENE BERG ) once said
"BUY the BEST and CRY ONCE !!! "   Another person I know says  the price of HAY is  based          
 on the stage of DIGESTION !     ;)

Its a huge problem that effects every place where people have the ingenuity and technical knowhow to put together something great. Its happened here in the UK too, we're just lucky that so far the European parts made by folks like JPM and others (having seen some of the parts no doubt some of the highest quality and innovative parts in the world for our cars) are still 'under the radar'.

I think its perhaps wrong to assume all parts made in China are junk, all parts from ANYWHERE should be evaluated on their own merits. I've seen junk from British companies, along with some amazing parts (take a look at some of the stuff Martin Taylor has produced, to say nothing of the huge base of F1 manufacturers), and no doubt there are the same issues in America and the world over.

I think as a community the best we can do is to highlight parts that are failing, or misrepresented (was it Scat selling parts as Made in America which were made in China?).

I try not to buy from china if I can. Hell, even my chinese takeaways are made in England  ;D

Zach,
    At least the republicans recognize it's a big problem now and want to TRY and do something about it.....Can't say that for the dems now can we. If they have it there way, we will be buying chinese solar panels and gasoline will be 8.00 a gallon here in the USA.

No politics on the lounge please. Enough other forums for that.

x3

You mean this one??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siWVgAzhFC8

*biting tongue*

I apologize for the political comment earlier. Had a few cocktails in me ;D No politics is one of the reasons why I love this place.

You have entirely too much time on your hands..... :D

That goes to my "golden book of remarks"  :)

The thing that is wrong is the today's short-sighted profit-seeking by trying to minimize the costs, outsourcing to anyone who does it cheaper and squeezing the maximum out of whoever is left, what used to be a quarterly-based measuring is now month-based, how the hell can you do any R&D or keep up the quality in that kind of an environment. Companies get too big and you have less choice in the end. That is regardless of which party is in power and same for all developed countries. Amen  ;)

boy thats the biggest bunch of CRAPOLA I have heard in a long long time! Just stay away from junk products, everything else will take care of itself...............

Fred,
    Ummmmm, yes! Let us know when you get a set and how the tune for ya! I always love a good chuckle :D ;)

Yeah, I figured you'd get right on that. ::) Pretty hard for you to figure out the "Y" I left out.............

Please don't turn this site into the CLF, where 90% of the 5 new posts a day are about Medicare. Leave that shit over there..

  WOW, The post police are out!! Nobody make any mistake's

Ain't dat da tooth!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rX7-R54-Q8

Exactly, it's usually after the deed that you realise the extent of your mistake....


 ;D

Alright, so how many guys have purchased and had problems with Chinese carbs? The way I see it, they cant even make a part that has VERY FEW moving parts that lasts! I just would never spend that kind of cash to take that kind of risk!
    I feel it's the older more experienced guys job to spread the word about "china junk" in this country. And I have heard alot of BS. Everything from "Dont rock the boat" we want as many manufacturers making bug products as possible. What kind of crap is that? If there garbage products, it frustrates the end use and the crap ends up in the garage and the guy's out of the hobby!!!!
    I just think it's really important that we start spreading the word to purchase products that are made with quality! We start, and keep pushing until vendors/ companies here see a interest for it and decide to take a chance and make them.
    Even 50+ year old German parts are STILL STRONGER TODAY then Chinese crap just manufactured..........
   

I (think) I kind of understand the Anti-Chinese products theme bubbling under this thread and when Chinese parts are really crap quality they deserve to be slated.

That said, I'd truly love these 'fake' Webers to be a really great product at a bargain price... Who wouldn't right?

I can't even consider a set of Genuine Webers at current prices and that isn't going to change anytime soon believe me... So if there is an alternative out there that offers something similar at a reduced price, we would all benefit from the keen prices that competition usually brings.

I worked for VW GB from 1977 and back then the big problem for us was cheap Brazilian parts flooding into the UK and undermining the parts market. Truth is that the quality of those Brazilian parts was far higher than the stuff that country produces today and in part our drive/desire for ever cheaper parts is responsible for the offerings we see today. We're all guilty on that score.

China can produce stuff at very low cost for obvious reasons, but quality is something they have yet to conquer. Understanding that price isn't the only factor has yet to reach some Chinese manufacturers yet.. But time will change that and in a short time the Chinese will respond to demand for higher quality parts and that is when the problems will really begin?
   
Nobody WANTS to pay big bucks for parts obviously, but nobody should be slating products that haven't yet had a chance to be evaluated correctly/fairly over time.

History tells us that in parts terms, if something appears to good to be true, it's usually because it is to good to be true... I don't think now is a good time for any parts manufacturers to be dismissing the competition based on any knee-jerk reactions.

If a product isn't up to scratch, then the great buying public will soon make that fact clear to everyone...
 

I'M JUST WAITING FOR A PRODUCT REVIEW FROM BLOWHARD ABOVE................... :D :D :D How's that sentence dude? DID I LEAVE OUT ANY LETTERS IN THAT ONE........................ ::) ::) ::)
   

Let me save you the work......................PIECES OF SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

You are really not bringing much(read: any) value to this thread at all. Why don't you continue on by reading it only.
You can consider that a warning to think through what you write before posting, and please as stated from others above, leave the politics somewhere else.

Well said!  Thank you!!

Zach....how could you give DEMS that much credit? They are not smart enough to know what out source means.  In fact, they don't even know what a business budget is.  They can seem to put one together for our country...Business savy and acumen is not even on their radar screen.  :-)

RM

For those that wish to convert our hobby forum to a political soap box, kindly line up for volunteer work in our nation's capitol.

Not speaking about carburetors but the car parts industry isn't immune how the rest of the business world works.


Well I hate to think that few people who cannot afford better carbs buy shit and burn their hands. I don't think history will help them :) What ever cheap junk will be shipped in pretty big loads over the internet, most of the people who buy them cannot tell (nor care) the difference between them and other VW-carbs manufactured outside Europe. Word gets around in forums and half of the people are claiming that they work just fine if they don't work, maybe because they don't know of any better or maybe that admitting you're wrong is just too difficult..

i think something is overlooked too: the suppliers that have parts made in china dont demand a certail level of quality, they just demand the lowest price possible. they make the most profit out of the product, not the chinese factory
and to 65bug: why dont you get lost, people like you (read: erik the red) ruined callok-com because they just spread an uncomfortable mood with their smart-ass-know-it-all attitude.

I have tried two pairs of Empi Hpmx 44mm carbs. They were absolute junk. One pair had porous float chambers that leaked fuel behind the Venturi and slowly flooded the engine. That was a problem that took an age to work out what was actually going on!
The other pair just wouldn't tune up, no matter what I tried. In retrospect I imagine there was a similar problem as above.
After wasting a day's worth of labour, I vowed never to buy Chinese carbs again.  >:(

I have a set of HPMX  carbs on my squareback and on the Ghia. Easy to tune, set up and jet. The biggest problem I had was the idle screws would not stay in proper adjustment, cured it with a drop of blue locktite. If you personally haven't used them, don't give your opinions about them, because you don't have one!

She is not Italian!!! The girl in the video is Romanian model Catrinel Menghia.  ;D

Beware the false advertising ;-)

I have a set of 40's on my car for a few years. I have had zero issues after I had Art @ Ace go through them a few months after I got them.

Not sure why everyone is blaming me for starting a political thread on here. If you read though the thread I was not the one who started it. I only commented on it. I have never started any political debates on any other forums but the "OFF TOPICS" discussions. That's it!
   Back to Carbs: So your in a legendary car club with awesome cars: Rare splitty's, Ovals, etc. Empi 5 spokes, BRM Pulleys and..................................CHINESE CARBS............................LOL
    If I where in a car club that had any heritage, history, nostalgia etc. I WOULD NOT ALLOW IT!!!! That being said, JUST MY OPINION!!!!
   

You're entitled to your opinion same as everyone, but there's little point in shouting down anyone that doesn't agree with your own standpoint?

  You've had your rant and your warning.. So let's not make this personal....  ;D

     That's not why I come here...  8)