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Anyone running harnesses with stock seats, if so what have u got

as im told they need to have LONG top straps, any pics and recommendations what to buy

Im interested too!
Im fitting Recaro seats instead of stock front and keeping original rear seat.
Both will be match trimmed, and would like to install harness from Simspon with camlock, something like this:

(http://i46.tinypic.com/2i9pdsm.jpg)

Seats will be in dark red leather (black late model from '70) and black Simpson harness would fit very nice, but I don't have idea which model ?

We sell both length simpson harnesses, they do an extra long version just for what you mention to bolt to the floor behind the seat

cheers richie

Simpson offeres different lengths depending on where the mounts are. Since the VW seats/mounts are so tall and up-right, you need a true floor mount in order to get the right length. I call Simpson and we figured out the combination over the phone, otherwise, your buckle won't be in the center of the seat. I did a story in Hot VWs about mounting seat belts with stock seats about '08-ish...

I run an RCI (Racer's Choice) 4-year harness and the 3" wide shoulder straps are long enough to reach the stock factory rear seatbelt mount.

I recently installed an RLR roll bar, with "low-backed" front seat (from a '66), so the shoulder straps are now wrapped around the RLR cross bar.  Both options are acceptable AFAIK at most tracks (I've been to five tracks so far, both NHRA and IDRA, with no problems).

Thnx for info, Deano !

Simspon harness is unavailable for me in Croatia, that's why I'm asking for detailed information.
It would be a mess for me to order a wrong item, not to mention high shipping costs and additional taxes that I have to pay...
If anyone can post some pictures with measures, I would appreciate that !


Regards,
Doc

they look very nice

if i changed the stock seats, what other seats fit well, the recaros look good.

Before Recaros, I had VW Golf IV 25 years edition seats. They are not to big to fit in a bug, but lumbal part of the seat is a bit taller.
I sold them a few days ago, because lower part of the seats was to modern for interior of a bug with all the unnecessary plastic parts.
Recaros are more old-school and will look nicer. I will shorten lumbal part of the seat  for about 5 centimetres to dimensions similar to the ones on the picture (from Bernard Newbury Dark Lord oval), those seats look like they are modified the same way.

Simpson makes nice belts for sure. But, Crow makes some good stuff as well. For those of us who need them to have the correct date, Crow will re-web your belts. This is a nice service to offer, saves buying new belts every two years.

Hallo Gary,,you gonne make a 402 racer out of your new car ?

front seats are a bit worn, thinking of putting in some classic buckets with 4 point harness, as its a 61 and has no belts or mount for belts, something like these will fit in with the nostalga sceme to the car

something like these, the back seat wont be used unless we all go out as a family, but if we do we would prob take the westy, so may even junk the rear seat completely, and make do with just the fronts

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d169/slammedresto/T2eC16dHJHgE9n0yHDnpBQhpyIFVw60_12.jpg)

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d169/slammedresto/T2eC16JHJGE9nm3plpbBQhpwRZw60_12.jpg)

whats a 402 racer???

Quarter mile racer = 402 racer  ;)

It's running a 1641 with twin 34s currently, won't be going bigger for a long time, maxed out with the bug and the westy now.

I thought that bolting the shoulder harness to the floor behind the seat was a no go? Or are we talking extra length for the lap belts?

B

More seat belt mount info here.
http://www.schroth.com/installation-instructions/en/05_restraint_installation.htm

They must sell a lot of 4 point belts kits?
I'm not a fan of 4 point belts and here is why.
A 4 point belt is missing the sub belt, the one that goes between your legs to the floor.
The reason the sub belt is important is that it locates the lap belt.
Without a sub belt when you tighten the shoulder belts it will pull the lap belt up and out of place.

The correct way to tighten race belts is..
1st connect sub belt and waste belts and tighten, then the connect the shoulder belts and tightened last.

2 types of sub belts 5 point and 6 point.
A 6 point does not require a hole in the seat bottom, downside is you sit on the 6 point belts.
I still prefer a 5 point... and a chair that will protect me if the car backs into the wall.

Fwiw get a sub belt if possible.

Directly to the floor is a no go, but I think Richie means behind the back seat. As far as I remember, the angle between the the belt and the vertical should be at least 45deg, preferably more (closer to horizontal). My belts go through the gap in the rear seat beween the base and seat back, and bolt to a couple of spreader plates in the rear floor of the car. They're along the same line as the stock rear seat belt mounts but in a better position for each of the front seat passengers. When there are people in the back, the front belts are just used as lap straps.

Thx, I was thinking about something like that for my car as well.