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Title: Werks Berg Lexan
Post by: Trond Dahl on November 30, 2012, 22:23:15 pm
Does anyone have lexan windows from Werks Berg installed? I would like to see some pictures of it a bit up close....
Preferably on a Ghia


Title: Re: Werks Berg Lexan
Post by: MeXX on November 30, 2012, 23:02:50 pm
Hi

I can post U pix from windows installed on my ghia but they are home made.
Hope U got allready your vertigate  ;D

MeXX


Title: Re: Werks Berg Lexan
Post by: richie on December 01, 2012, 00:27:18 am
Does anyone have lexan windows from Werks Berg installed? I would like to see some pictures of it a bit up close....
Preferably on a Ghia

we have used alot of them, but only on cars with window rubber still, he does spend alot of time getting the edges and finish done well

cheers richie


Title: Re: Werks Berg Lexan
Post by: Jonny Grigg on December 01, 2012, 09:45:43 am
What pictures do you need? I can take some today and post up. My race car uses the Weksberg lexan windows. A pain to fit but they look good. My car is a late beetle, not a Ghia though.


Title: Re: Werks Berg Lexan
Post by: Trond Dahl on December 01, 2012, 10:43:51 am
Hi

I can post U pix from windows installed on my ghia but they are home made.
Hope U got allready your vertigate  ;D

MeXX

Yes I did :-) And it is definitely quality craftsmanship.

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Perhaps you can email me some pictures of your install of windows? trond(at)cal-look.no

Thanks


Title: Re: Werks Berg Lexan
Post by: Trond Dahl on December 01, 2012, 10:46:24 am
By the way, is it most common to use rivets or screws to mount Lexan windows?


Title: Re: Werks Berg Lexan
Post by: Trond Dahl on December 01, 2012, 10:49:00 am
What pictures do you need? I can take some today and post up. My race car uses the Weksberg lexan windows. A pain to fit but they look good. My car is a late beetle, not a Ghia though.


Thanks, I am interested to view some mounting details (screws vs. rivets) so yes please, but most importantly I would like to see solutions on Ghia around the door vs. 1/4 window :-) Thatīs where I will need to do something smart and there is no point in reinventing the wheel for me.
Iīm thinking of bending a roundtube that I weld onto the door to hook the window up to, but there is an angle thing and some more details. So I would like to see how other people have solved this issue.


Title: Re: Werks Berg Lexan
Post by: MeXX on December 01, 2012, 11:18:07 am
Hi Trond

Here we go:
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I prefere rivets as don't make so much pressure to the lexan, they never come loose are easy to install (ever tried to install screws from the outside and nuts from the inside without going nuts  :P  :P) and they look nice.
The black washers on the inside are the waste if you remove an installed rivet by drilling them out so can U spell recycling ;D.

MeXX



Title: Re: Werks Berg Lexan
Post by: MeXX on December 01, 2012, 11:40:22 am
some more pix:
 
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Do U like my door latch it's made of carbon kevlar and titanium (can U spell lightweight)


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MeXX


Title: Re: Werks Berg Lexan
Post by: Ragtop on December 01, 2012, 22:16:37 pm
Man that car is immaculate!


Title: Re: Werks Berg Lexan
Post by: MeXX on January 03, 2013, 08:51:47 am
Dear Trond

Here are some pix U might be waiting for:

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MeXX


Title: Re: Werks Berg Lexan
Post by: Trond Dahl on January 03, 2013, 09:03:07 am
Thanks, I really like your solution :-)
What do you have in the end of the wire?


Title: Re: Werks Berg Lexan
Post by: BeetleBug on January 03, 2013, 09:45:12 am
Mexx,

As mentioned before, very nice car!

One question, are you actually allowed to grind down your roll cage welds?

-BB-


Title: Re: Werks Berg Lexan
Post by: MeXX on January 03, 2013, 10:01:02 am
Mexx,

As mentioned before, very nice car!

One question, are you actually allowed to grind down your roll cage welds?

-BB-

I'dont think it is allowed.
But You definitely should not do it!

On my main hoop it just looks like I did, because it was coated with 3 layers of powder coating and in this place I had just to repaint it and to gain the same look I applied just several layers of primer before finishing with the black paint.

MeXX


Title: Re: Werks Berg Lexan
Post by: Peter Shattock on January 03, 2013, 16:08:14 pm
Trond,

Sorry to take a side step on your thread, but I've just been looking at the carbon work in Mexx's car!

Mexx very impressed with your standard or workmanship and the speed of your car. I hope to be at DDD this year if you are going again it would be nice to meet you and have a good look at your car.

I see you are heading towards an 8 second run, has that been done before with a non turbo flat four door car? Perhaps yours is the fastest nitrous door car already?

What ever very professional excellent looking car keep up the good work!

Peter


Title: Re: Werks Berg Lexan
Post by: Trond Dahl on January 03, 2013, 16:23:43 pm
No worries Peter, I think you are just stating what a lot of us are thinking :-)
Mexx, and everyone else. Since I bought the old doors from Mexx I need a good similar door latch solution. Suggestions are welcomed.


Title: Re: Werks Berg Lexan
Post by: Trond Dahl on January 03, 2013, 16:25:03 pm
Oh yeah, by the way... I did en up getting Werks Berg and they are very nice. I will need to do a bit of trimming but not much really.


Title: Re: Werks Berg Lexan
Post by: Erlend / bug66 on January 03, 2013, 17:03:51 pm
No worries Peter, I think you are just stating what a lot of us are thinking :-)
Mexx, and everyone else. Since I bought the old doors from Mexx I need a good similar door latch solution. Suggestions are welcomed.

Are the latches stock? I guess you want to keep it as light as possible. Is there any rules one needs to comply with? (for example opening from the outside etc)


Title: Re: Werks Berg Lexan
Post by: Trond Dahl on January 03, 2013, 17:40:40 pm
Not sure I used the correct wording, but my new doors do not have the stock doorhandles so I want to do something similar to other race cars such like Mexx's.
An alternative is to modify the doors to take stock doorhandles, which will make it look more stock... but.. :-)
Time will tell what happens but I need options to consider during winter days :-)


Title: Re: Werks Berg Lexan
Post by: richie on January 03, 2013, 18:17:28 pm
No worries Peter, I think you are just stating what a lot of us are thinking :-)
Mexx, and everyone else. Since I bought the old doors from Mexx I need a good similar door latch solution. Suggestions are welcomed.

Are the latches stock? I guess you want to keep it as light as possible. Is there any rules one needs to comply with? (for example opening from the outside etc)

Yes it must be able to be opened from inside and out,if you notice in the picture the window is cut in such a way as to allow one lever to be reached from inside and out saving weight :)

cheers richie


Title: Re: Werks Berg Lexan
Post by: Erlend / bug66 on January 03, 2013, 18:20:23 pm
Just start to mold some carbon fibre :D


Title: Re: Werks Berg Lexan
Post by: BeetleBug on January 03, 2013, 18:40:19 pm

Is there any rules one needs to comply with? (for example opening from the outside etc)

Erlend, thats the beauty with building a race car. It's all in the rules.. It so simple that any idiot can do it  ;)


Title: Re: Werks Berg Lexan
Post by: richie on January 03, 2013, 19:02:45 pm

Is there any rules one needs to comply with? (for example opening from the outside etc)

Erlend, thats the beauty with building a race car. It's all in the rules.. It so simple that any idiot can do it  ;)


who you calling an idiot? >:( ;D 

Oh its ok,I remembered, its a street car not a race car :D ;D 



cheers richie


Title: Re: Werks Berg Lexan
Post by: Trond Dahl on January 03, 2013, 19:04:33 pm
Richie, don't insult the intelligence it takes to change wheels on a street car without rules:-)


Title: Re: Werks Berg Lexan
Post by: Erlend / bug66 on January 03, 2013, 19:09:49 pm
He can't be calling me an idiot. I've got a pure, stock, no nonsense streetcar  ;D


Title: Re: Werks Berg Lexan
Post by: Trond Dahl on January 03, 2013, 19:32:48 pm
What does it make me, who asks stupid questions about something as easy as building a race car within a set of rules?  ???


Title: Re: Werks Berg Lexan
Post by: Erlend / bug66 on January 03, 2013, 19:38:11 pm
Haha.. Why not just copy most of the really lightweight porsches? Some kine of string solution.. REALLY light weight :)


Title: Re: Werks Berg Lexan
Post by: richie on January 03, 2013, 19:54:07 pm
He can't be calling me an idiot. I've got a pure, stock, no nonsense streetcar  ;D

Thats why its so slow then :D I thought it had a "1915cc race engine"  in it :o ;D

cheers richie


Title: Re: Werks Berg Lexan
Post by: Erlend / bug66 on January 03, 2013, 19:55:41 pm
He can't be calling me an idiot. I've got a pure, stock, no nonsense streetcar  ;D

Thats why its so slow then :D I thought it had a "1915cc race engine"  in it :o ;D

cheers richie

It's not slow.. I'm the slow one  ;D

The engine is a hybrid  :) part race, part streetish  ::)


Title: Re: Werks Berg Lexan
Post by: richie on January 03, 2013, 19:57:37 pm
What does it make me, who asks stupid questions about something as easy as building a race car within a set of rules?  ???


A wise man[well 2 actually] once said  FTG racing,
I say build it how you want it,then if it doesnt fit the rules bring it over here,most events it seems you can do what you like here,and in germany,both where T-shirts seem to be acepted as race clothing,if thats ok then everything else must be ok :o


cheers richie


Title: Re: Werks Berg Lexan
Post by: werksberg on January 04, 2013, 07:47:54 am
Hey guys.....I'm here!

IMO never use screws to hold in the PC windows as they will vibrate out and get into the thin tread tires. Use Pop Rivets.

The only pieces needing to be trimmed on my Ghia kits are the doors as I have seen some Ghias with up to 1/2" difference from side to side on the same body. That is why my doors are 5/8" taller than needed.

My Ghia kits have extra alum with rubber trims for the 1/4 window to the door window stop flush mounts....use pop rivets or bolts with nylocks nuts to attach the short pieces to the 1/4 windows with alum squeezing the rubber to the PC window.

The 1/4 windows bottoms are beveled to rivet direct to the body and included alum angles rivet to the body and 1/4 window rivets to them.

There's 2 extra long alum and rubber strips that attach to inside the roof at the top of the door windows to act as a cushion stop up there. Use those short screws there...

But then there are PLACED stick on labels explaining all this with the kit.


The front and rear are just tape into place, look at the angle you need to drill the 1/8" holes for the rivets and go to town....


I make 1 set of Ghias windows to maybe 100x Bugs....


Title: Re: Werks Berg Lexan
Post by: MeXX on January 04, 2013, 09:23:20 am
Trond,

I see you are heading towards an 8 second run, has that been done before with a non turbo flat four door car? Perhaps yours is the fastest nitrous door car already?

Peter

Dear Peter

You R right is has not be done yet but it will be done next year.
No the fastest car yet is the Lucas oil Ghia from Roger Crawford (9.08@146mph)

MeXX


Title: Re: Werks Berg Lexan
Post by: Peter Shattock on January 04, 2013, 14:13:31 pm
Mexx,

You certainly don't look to be short of effort, but you will know better than most that a 10th or two at your level is a big margin, but if it were easy everyone would be doing it...

Regardless it's always good to see someone trying to break records!

I hope all your hard work pays off.

Peter