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Title: maico discs brake
Post by: speedwell on August 04, 2007, 22:57:22 pm
suit to the topic : cal look wheels lets see yours (last page with my wheels) , I was to interest to buy the  maico discs brakes  ;D, but after several days of reflexion and put questions  ???, I believe that I any more will not take them (not having comfirm my purchase) ::)
here reasons: by looking at well the disc and the flask of this one,the circumference of those one appears similar to me with the  356A porsches brakes drums and considering my problem with my brakes 356 is that I cannot put my torq trust D rims  I think that the problem it would be repeated with the discs, I think that the diameter of the drum is  325mm but I don't know that of the maico, but I awaits information by jurgen which has a set on its oval (DFL KLUB)
the other reason then i can't put my torq trust D on the brakes drums is the spoke of this one she's plunges directly after the flask of or that touches the drum
 here's some pictures tried to compare the maico and 356 drums  thanks to allow me to see there more clearly , because I like really those one  but I don't want to put money in brakes which will not go with my rims  :-[
rgd
fabian


Title: Re: maico discs brake
Post by: speedwell on August 04, 2007, 23:04:47 pm
and here's a little draw i made  just to see what the maico represent behind the wheels , and you can see he's just behind the curve of he spoke >:(  and with the 356 drums she touch(the spoke) at the place where the spoke start  >:(


Title: Re: maico discs brake
Post by: Frank LUX on August 05, 2007, 19:14:56 pm
Hi Speedy,

Please don't get this Wrong!!!

But get your Motor rebuild and spent your monies on a Nice Engine Case, your's does not give Justice to your Car...

I personnally think that a Painted Engine Case is a Big NoNo...specially in such a nice Car!!!

Frank


Title: Re: maico discs brake
Post by: Liou on August 05, 2007, 19:24:15 pm
hey
this oval DFL
(http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/1029/ofofwbcco1d120320061432ga9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)


Title: Re: maico discs brake
Post by: alex d on August 06, 2007, 09:59:18 am
just throw away the 356 brakes, I'll pick them up for free  ;D


Title: Re: maico discs brake
Post by: Gregor/DFL on August 06, 2007, 10:27:39 am
Hi! In an Old "Gute Fahrt" issue (July 1964) there was an article about the Maico´s-unfortuanetly article is only in German....
Basically conclusion is that the Maicos are not better than the standard drum brakes-they only have the advantage that they
do not have to be adjusted. Our club member Juergen runs those brakes on his Oval as mentioned-but he also states that the brakes are more "show than go" ;)


Title: Re: maico discs brake
Post by: Gregor/DFL on August 06, 2007, 10:31:52 am
another interesting detail: The Type3 shown in the article is described as "VW 1500 S, ATE experimental car running disc brakes both front and rear" (!!). Not too bad for a 1964 5x205 car...


Title: Re: maico discs brake
Post by: alex d on August 06, 2007, 10:37:37 am
cool article, now where did I put my german dictionary  ;D BTW the type 3 disc brakes look like they don't have wide 5 pattern if you look closely


Title: Re: maico discs brake
Post by: Jon on August 06, 2007, 12:15:50 pm
I thought the main advantage with disk brakes is that you repeatedly can do hard braking without the brakes fading.
What's wrong with a painted engine case Frank?


Title: Re: maico discs brake
Post by: Gregor/DFL on August 06, 2007, 12:49:36 pm
I thought the main advantage with disk brakes is that you repeatedly can do hard braking without the brakes fading.

...but if the disc has the same size like on a today´s Mountainbike, it´ll start to fade anyway ;)
Maybe it´ll take a few seconds more as the cooling of the rotor is a bit better....


Title: Re: maico discs brake
Post by: Frank LUX on August 06, 2007, 13:26:55 pm
What's wrong with a painted engine case Frank?

I don't like them... :P

Just my 2 Cents... ;)

Frank


Title: Re: maico discs brake
Post by: Frank LUX on August 06, 2007, 13:27:44 pm
I thought the main advantage with disk brakes is that you repeatedly can do hard braking without the brakes fading.

...but if the disc has the same size like on a today´s Mountainbike, it´ll start to fade anyway ;)
Maybe it´ll take a few seconds more as the cooling of the rotor is a bit better....

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Frank


Title: Re: maico discs brake
Post by: Jon on August 06, 2007, 14:58:02 pm
I thought the main advantage with disk brakes is that you repeatedly can do hard braking without the brakes fading.

...but if the disc has the same size like on a today´s Mountainbike, it´ll start to fade anyway ;)
Maybe it´ll take a few seconds more as the cooling of the rotor is a bit better....

The cooling is the trick...  ;)


Title: Re: maico discs brake
Post by: empicolector on August 06, 2007, 15:35:06 pm
hye fabian thanks for your comment on my blog
just now in the samba do it  :D
but high price


Title: Re: maico discs brake
Post by: nicolas on August 06, 2007, 19:32:41 pm
cool article, now where did I put my german dictionary  ;D BTW the type 3 disc brakes look like they don't have wide 5 pattern if you look closely


i think the top picture is a beetle and it has indeed a different boltpattern. the bottom one could be a 5 lug too bad they run covers otherwise we could see it better. but the type3 only had brakes on the 66 model cars starting with the fastback production. so maybe it has 5 lugs...



Title: Re: maico discs brake
Post by: Rune on August 06, 2007, 19:53:30 pm
hey
this oval DFL
(http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/1029/ofofwbcco1d120320061432ga9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

Could anyone tell me the part number on the Competition Engineering 90/10 shocks Jürgen is running on his car?


Title: Re: maico discs brake
Post by: Lids on August 06, 2007, 20:41:43 pm
(http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/371830.jpg)

(http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/371829.jpg)

(http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/371828.jpg)

Freshly restored set down under


Title: Re: maico discs brake
Post by: speedwell on August 06, 2007, 20:56:06 pm
mickael it's yours?? very nice , if those are yours can measure the circumference , it's to comparte with the 356 drums
thanks
speedwell


Title: Re: maico discs brake
Post by: jick on August 06, 2007, 21:02:31 pm
they're not Mikes...

he only buys dash-plaques. ;)


Title: Re: maico discs brake
Post by: Lids on August 06, 2007, 21:03:04 pm
Fabian they are not mine, they have just been restored in Australia, look on the Samba for a user called "Der Steiner Rad"


Title: Re: maico discs brake
Post by: Lids on August 06, 2007, 21:03:32 pm
they're not Mikes...

he only buys dash-plaques. ;)

and NOS ashtrays!!!!


Title: Re: maico discs brake
Post by: speedwell on August 06, 2007, 21:06:41 pm
thanks ,  but i can find the adds on samba  ???


Title: Re: maico discs brake
Post by: speedwell on August 06, 2007, 21:14:02 pm
i'm asking jurgen about the diameter and i've just receive the answer the rotor is 315mm and 356A brake drums is 325mm
jurgen said onthe mail :Complete Diameter is 315 mm.The Spokes of your Wheels are between the holes.There is more place.That diameter is 250 mm.The first problem is then the Brake-Caliber


Title: Re: maico discs brake
Post by: Lids on August 06, 2007, 21:19:15 pm
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=20432


Title: Re: maico discs brake
Post by: Azureblue52 on August 06, 2007, 21:22:12 pm
Joe Ruiz is also selling a set with some spare discs:

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=428729


Title: Re: maico discs brake
Post by: speedwell on August 06, 2007, 21:37:16 pm
thanks for the linls guys
 ;)


Title: Re: maico discs brake
Post by: Lee.C on August 06, 2007, 22:36:39 pm
do it - do it - do it - do it  :) :) :)


Title: Re: maico discs brake
Post by: Udo on August 06, 2007, 22:46:16 pm
If you have a big engine don't use the breaks . I drove a car that goes 12's at bitburg and it was an adventure to get the car slower after the finishline . The standart drum breaks work better !!

Udo


Title: Re: maico discs brake
Post by: simon uk on August 07, 2007, 12:13:22 pm
As I understand it, the calipers are the same used on Maico scrambler bikes from the period, of which there are still a semi regular supply on a well known auction site. I have never seen another disc brake where the caliper sits inside the disc, they look nuts, and that australian set looks awesome. I have seen the rotors sold separately before, but it would be good to have the dimensions of the caliper mounting bracket stored on line somewhere so that people can have them custom made if they have the rotors only, and also, any markings on the caliper so they know what model number to look for  ;)

Si.


Title: Re: maico discs brake
Post by: Kobus on August 07, 2007, 13:50:34 pm
i think the ATE test notchback used porsche 356 C or early 911 (901) brakes!

and check on Carrera B 356's they also had inverted discs like the maico setup... only today.. even more $$$ than a set of Maico's...