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Well as the title says guys......

I need to drop a later 12v 1600cc "single port" Bus engine into my 65 beetle so I can get it home to the UK.....

I know most of the things I need to do but there are a few small details I am not sure of like the STARTER MOTOR & FLYWHEELS.......

Also is there any "Clearancing" needed doing to the original 65 gearbox???

I know this is not really a "Cal Look" issue but I thought it best to ask more experienced people rather than the other Interweb "Experts"  :D :D :D :D :D :D

Fabian has been telling me that there is a 6volt starter that "Works" with a 12v flywheel  :-\

Anyone know which starter this is??? Anyone know the part no: ???

67 1500 6volt I would guess

Yep thats what I was thinking.....

Anyone got one??  ;) :)

wouldn't it be easier just to swap the dynamo?

No cos its not just the dynamo.....
There is the fan to consider and if I went that route then I would have to swap the flywheel on the 1600sp and I am not to keen on doing that..... its kinda "Easyier" to go this 12v route  :-\

Plus there is the fact that I need a new battery and 6volts Batteries are nearly 3 times the price of 12volt ones in norway!  :o :)

Not sure it is only the 1500 starter that fit on a 12 volt flywheel.
I changed my 6volt '67 to 12volt as well,and it is a 1300 car.
I just left the 6volt starter in it and it fits on the 12v flywheel.
So it is on a 12volt 2110 now for two years or so all ready.

Henk!!!

OK Here's what I remember.

2 Options;

1. Use the 6 volt flywheel and starter. You'll get the smaller 180mm clutch. 6volt starter will work if you put on a 12v solenoid.

2. Use a 12 volt flywheel. You'll need to clearance the trans case for the larger flywheel. You can use 2 different starters. the SR15x which is the standard 12v starter. To use it, you'll need to swap out the starter bushing for a special adapter bushing that has the O.D. of the 6 volt one and the I.D. of the 12 volt one. Alternative is to use the SR17x starter. More expensive but doesn't require a bushing in the case.

                                                                       ^^^ What Rick said ^^^
One other thing, If you wanted to stay with a 6v flywheel & starter but prefer a 200mm clutch you would need a flywheel from a 66 or earlier type III.

Thanks guys......

I kinda want to go with the larger 12v flywheel thats already on the 1600sp engine, I am gonna need to clearance the Gearbox anyhow when I fit the SPG engine so I might as well do it now..... I will also be able to use this starter on that engine (when its done!)

So I guess I am looking for a 1967 13/1500 Starter motor :)

Again thanks for the hints & tips guys

Just wanna check.....

The SR15x is the standard "Late model" 12v starter ???

The SR17x is the "67" model 6v item ???

In theory, a normal 6v starter wont mesh with a 12v flywheel. 6v flywheels have 109 teeth with 180mm clutch and 12v are 132 teeth with a 200mm clutch. There was a flywheel that had a 180mm clutch with 132 teeth and that's probably what you had henk. It may have been '67 euro 1300 only as we don't have such a set up in the US.

The SR15x is the Standard late model starter.

The SR17x is a 914 starter or T1/T3 Autostick starter. 12 volt but doesn't need a bushing. It's self supporting. Also if I remember it's a little stronger than the 15. I always used a 17 in my'67 for that reason.

Hmmmm ok so any ideas where I could get one of these SR17x 914/T1/T3 Autostick starters ???  :)

You may be able to find them closer or cheaper but Summit Racing has it for $90USD and they ship international.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/bch-sr17x?seid=srese1&gclid=CjwKEAiAqrqkBRCep-rKnt_r_lkSJAArVUBcZ8ohKbp7RBsRMFC32lad9bBY2lFfaHg2bNFCJXTMVxoC-qPw_wcB

Yeah thanks dude, I have just been checking and you can get these starter in the UK but they are around £150.00 (Thats over $250!!!)

I think I might go for this "Semi-Auto" style starter...... Seems like a Simple way to do it and I can get replacments if needed :)

There is also a Skoda starter that works.

http://cal-look.no/lounge/index.php/topic,5293.msg229177.html#msg229177 (http://cal-look.no/lounge/index.php/topic,5293.msg229177.html#msg229177)
http://cal-look.no/lounge/index.php/topic,6655.msg187097.html#msg187097 (http://cal-look.no/lounge/index.php/topic,6655.msg187097.html#msg187097)

Maybe that one is easier to find?

So.........

With THESE starters all I need to do is "Clearance the bellhousing"   :-\ :)

Yes... that's a result of running the 200mm/132 tooth flywheel. I think the Skoda starter is self supporting as well so no bushing is needed.

Cool I just wanna be sure.....

Thanks for all the help everyone  :)

I would just swap everything to 12 volts, change the bushing in the trans and then you can use the cheap 12v starters

Yeah its probably the easy option......

I just wanted to get all the info I could then I can Mix & match ideas/parts :)

I am probably gonna use the "Semi-Auto" self surporting 12v starters......