Title: Two very streetable engine recipes with Engle W100 Post by: DWL_Puavo on June 02, 2015, 13:00:10 pm I've now built two very streetable engines to my -72 bay window doppelkabiner, and here are the recipes for them. I haven't dynoed the bigger motor yet but hopefully this summer after I have the time to enlarge acc.pump jets. As good and easy these were, next engine I build will be much more aggressive as these are so civilized and well-behaving...
------------------------------------ 1641cc, 78hp / 125nm ------------------------------------ Basic ingredients: - Stock AS41 engine case with two oil pressure valves. - AA-piston's 87mm cylinder/piston set - Stock crankshaft - Stock connecting rods - Stock dualport 1300 heads - Engle W100 camshaft - Stock about everything else also: pushrods, 1,1:1 rockers, valves, doghouse cooling, thermostat, flywheel, clutch etc. - Small / basic equal-lenght exhaust header (not merged or any other fancier stuff). Stock heat exchangers. - Self-built 2" exhaust with one glasspack and two bigger turbo-style mufflers in-line) - Dual Dellorto DRLA 40's - Aircoold.fi 043 breakerless ignition - 30mm oil pump with spin-on filter Machining made: - Line-bored to 1mm / 21mm. - Heads bored to accept 1600 cylinders - Heads lowered for about 1mm from stock - Crankshaft and flywheel dynamically balanced Head porting: - Area around intake and exhaust valves opened from their sides to blend nicely into larger cylinder walls. Not so much work here done. - Head volume 45cc after combustion chamber port work and lowering - Steep corner on exhaust port rounded - Intake port just a bit cleaned, not really ported at all - No match-porting for the manifolds Build notes: - Cam thrust bearing slot is too tight for the bearing, had to grind the bearing a bit to fit into cam. This was not the first time with W100, and the same bearing was OK when tried to stock or a couple of another camshafts. The machining of the bearing slot in W100 was just too tight. - Deck height without shims was 1,6mm -> STATIC COMPRESSION RATIO = 8,5:1. That's a bit over internet suggestions as I like it to be. - DRLA specs, tuned with narrow-band lambda which is just fine in my opinion for carb tuning: - 28 main venturies (e.g. "quite small") - .2 emulsion tubes - 52 idle jets (25% smaller than "stock" 60's!) - 130 main jets (4,6 x main vent diameter) - 180 aux air jets - X acc.pump jets, don't remember, "stock" - no velocity stacks this time Usage / riding notes: - Max ignition advance around 32 degrees with vacuum hose taken off. - Using normal 95E gas, no pinging. - Steady idle from around 600rpm - Pulls from 1000rpm to around 5000rpm - Very easy to drive, very streetable - Picks up easily 100-105 km/h speed in normal traffic - Really a bit boring for T2 bay :) - Stock 200mm clutch is fine with this engine - Can't do any burnouts in second gear - with first gear usually spins just another tire ;) - Could be a really fine engine for a much lighter beetle (around 400kg's less weight) - I drove this engine for about 5000km's as daily driver. Pretty much no problems whatsoever. [attachment=1] Title: Re: Two very streetable engine recipes with Engle W100 Post by: DWL_Puavo on June 02, 2015, 13:01:14 pm ------------------------------------
1956cc, ??? hp / ??? nm ------------------------------------ Basic ingredients: - Stock AS41 engine case with two oil pressure valves. - AA-piston's 90,5mm "B" stroker cylinder/piston - CB's 76mm 4340 crankshaft - Stock connecting rods "stroker-clearanced" from the bottom end - Stock dualport 1600 heads with new stainless valves and single HD springs - Engle W100 camshaft - Stock 1,1:1 rockers, doghouse cooling etc. - Small / basic equal-lenght exhaust header (not merged or any other fancier stuff). Stock heat exchangers. - Self-built 2" exhaust with one glasspack and two bigger turbo-style mufflers in-line) - Dual Dellorto DRLA 36's - Aircoold.fi 043 breakerless ignition - 30mm oil pump with spin-on filter Machining made: - Line-bored to 2mm / 20mm (should have been 1mm/21mm but machine shop made a mistake, oh well) - Oil galley plugs opened and cleared, NPT threads made and plugs installed - Heads bored to accept 90,5 cylinders - Heads lowered a bit, not sure how much though - Crankshaft and flywheel dynamically balanced - Engine case's cylinder holes enlargened - Case also milled down around holes: the ridge cut down and then cut into case for about 0,5mm. This was done so that I could use non-shortened barrels and still achieve the deck height I wanted. - Case opened inside: - Surprisingly large slots in the cylinder holes for connecting rod bolt clearance - Slots also in the top of the case - One camshaft bearing support cut a bit down - ...this is why I don't usually use "HD cam bearings" as then I would have to had cut the bearing also as the thrust type bearing's wall may touch the con rod bolt - Some aerodynamic mods done to bearing supports "under" the cylinder holes - Stock alu pushrods shortened for 5mm. This was actually quite easy when enough heat was used. - A total of four head bolts grinded down as they touched rocker shafts. - Welded an steel AN10 bunge to oil filler and aluminium one to the air cleaner lid to make a sweet black breather hose. Biltema sold these quite cheap and they weren't thankfully the red/blue colored. Head porting: - Area around intake and exhaust valves opened from their sides to blend nicely into larger cylinder walls. - Head volume 55cc after combustion chamber port work and lowering - Steep corner on exhaust port rounded and the whole port opened up a bit - Intake port cleaned and ported a bit - Intake match then ported to manifolds (manifolds were bigger as stock) Build notes: - As I used "stroker" pistons with only 76mm stroke, it was natural that this engine would be narrower than stock. That made a few problems but nothing that couldn't be solved easily. - Stock pushrod tubes were really a tight fit but they went OK - Engine tin fit just about perfectly! - As with earlier engine, cam thrust bearing slot was too tight for the bearing, had to grind the bearing a bit to fit into cam. Tested this time that the W100's slot was too tight with different bearings (silverline, kolbenschmidt, mahle) - Deck height tuned via case machining to 1,5mm -> STATIC COMPRESSION RATIO = 8,6:1. Suggestions for W100 on the net are around 7,5 - 8,3. - DRLA 36's specs, tuned with narrow-band lambda: - 32 main venturies - .2 emulsion tubes - 54 idle jets (a bit over 20% smaller than "stock" 60's!) - 135 main jets (4,2 x main vent diameter) - 180 aux air jets - X acc.pump jets, don't remember, "stock". These are too small for this engine and have to be changed. - 60mm velocity stacks Usage / riding notes: - Same ignition and timing as with earlier 1641 engine, no pinging here also - Steady idle from around 600rpm - Pulls from 900rpm to around 5200rpm - Way more grunt than in earlier 1641cc. - Very easy to drive, very streetable - Picks up easily 115-120 km/h speed - Way better for T2 bay than the earlier engine :) Got a 19,5s / 106km/h quartermile. - Short burnouts can be done with second gear. Although my rear tires are 235/65 R 16's so pretty much contact area. - I used a Kennedy stage 1 clutch with kush-lok disc this time. It's quite light and easy on T2. - As this stroker is narrower than stock engine, this could fit fine also in older beetle's engine bays where usually it's a tight fit around head tins and heat exchangers. - Oil temp sender installed on behind distributor: 1/4 NPT -> 1/8 NPT adapted ordered from ebay and cheap 1/8 NPT sender installed. - On a pretty day, oil temps creeped up to 100c when driving more than 20km's and when speed was around 85-95 km/h. Then I took off the plywood plate I have over my doppelkabiner's engine room. Oil temps dropped 10-15c even if I then picked up speed onto 105 km/h steady. It really makes difference to have more air in the engine bay even if you don't have extra oil sump or any other than stock DH cooling. - This engine has now been daily driven, for about 2500 km's now. Only problem I noticed was that one rocker shaft spring washer was broken when I adjusted valves, maybe I should upgrade to bolt shafts... Title: Re: Two very streetable engine recipes with Engle W100 Post by: BeetleBug on June 02, 2015, 14:32:36 pm Great summary, thanks for sharing!
Best rgs BB Title: Re: Two very streetable engine recipes with Engle W100 Post by: Berger on June 02, 2015, 15:51:03 pm ------------------------------------ 1956cc, ??? hp / ??? nm ------------------------------------ Basic ingredients: - Stock AS41 engine case with two oil pressure valves. - AA-piston's 90,5mm "B" stroker cylinder/piston - CB's 76mm 4340 crankshaft - Stock connecting rods "stroker-clearanced" from the bottom end - Stock dualport 1600 heads with new stainless valves and single HD springs - Engle W100 camshaft - Stock 1,1:1 rockers, doghouse cooling etc. - Small / basic equal-lenght exhaust header (not merged or any other fancier stuff). Stock heat exchangers. - Self-built 2" exhaust with one glasspack and two bigger turbo-style mufflers in-line) - Dual Dellorto DRLA 36's - Aircoold.fi 043 breakerless ignition - 30mm oil pump with spin-on filter Machining made: - Line-bored to 2mm / 20mm (should have been 1mm/21mm but machine shop made a mistake, oh well) - Oil galley plugs opened and cleared, NPT threads made and plugs installed - Heads bored to accept 90,5 cylinders - Heads lowered a bit, not sure how much though - Crankshaft and flywheel dynamically balanced - Engine case's cylinder holes enlargened - Case also milled down around holes: the ridge cut down and then cut into case for about 0,5mm. This was done so that I could use non-shortened barrels and still achieve the deck height I wanted. - Case opened inside: - Surprisingly large slots in the cylinder holes for connecting rod bolt clearance - Slots also in the top of the case - One camshaft bearing support cut a bit down - ...this is why I don't usually use "HD cam bearings" as then I would have to had cut the bearing also as the thrust type bearing's wall may touch the con rod bolt - Some aerodynamic mods done to bearing supports "under" the cylinder holes - Stock alu pushrods shortened for 5mm. This was actually quite easy when enough heat was used. - A total of four head bolts grinded down as they touched rocker shafts. - Welded an steel AN10 bunge to oil filler and aluminium one to the air cleaner lid to make a sweet black breather hose. Biltema sold these quite cheap and they weren't thankfully the red/blue colored. Head porting: - Area around intake and exhaust valves opened from their sides to blend nicely into larger cylinder walls. - Head volume 55cc after combustion chamber port work and lowering - Steep corner on exhaust port rounded and the whole port opened up a bit - Intake port cleaned and ported a bit - Intake match then ported to manifolds (manifolds were bigger as stock) Build notes: - As I used "stroker" pistons with only 76mm stroke, it was natural that this engine would be narrower than stock. That made a few problems but nothing that couldn't be solved easily. - Stock pushrod tubes were really a tight fit but they went OK - Engine tin fit just about perfectly! - As with earlier engine, cam thrust bearing slot was too tight for the bearing, had to grind the bearing a bit to fit into cam. Tested this time that the W100's slot was too tight with different bearings (silverline, kolbenschmidt, mahle) - Deck height tuned via case machining to 1,5mm -> STATIC COMPRESSION RATIO = 8,6:1. Suggestions for W100 on the net are around 7,5 - 8,3. - DRLA 36's specs, tuned with narrow-band lambda: - 32 main venturies - .2 emulsion tubes - 54 idle jets (a bit over 20% smaller than "stock" 60's!) - 135 main jets (4,2 x main vent diameter) - 180 aux air jets - X acc.pump jets, don't remember, "stock". These are too small for this engine and have to be changed. - 60mm velocity stacks Usage / riding notes: - Same ignition and timing as with earlier 1641 engine, no pinging here also - Steady idle from around 600rpm - Pulls from 900rpm to around 5200rpm - Way more grunt than in earlier 1641cc. - Very easy to drive, very streetable - Picks up easily 115-120 km/h speed - Way better for T2 bay than the earlier engine :) Got a 19,5s / 106km/h quartermile. - Short burnouts can be done with second gear. Although my rear tires are 235/65 R 16's so pretty much contact area. - I used a Kennedy stage 1 clutch with kush-lok disc this time. It's quite light and easy on T2. - As this stroker is narrower than stock engine, this could fit fine also in older beetle's engine bays where usually it's a tight fit around head tins and heat exchangers. - Oil temp sender installed on behind distributor: 1/4 NPT -> 1/8 NPT adapted ordered from ebay and cheap 1/8 NPT sender installed. - On a pretty day, oil temps creeped up to 100c when driving more than 20km's and when speed was around 85-95 km/h. Then I took off the plywood plate I have over my doppelkabiner's engine room. Oil temps dropped 10-15c even if I then picked up speed onto 105 km/h steady. It really makes difference to have more air in the engine bay even if you don't have extra oil sump or any other than stock DH cooling. - This engine has now been daily driven, for about 2500 km's now. Only problem I noticed was that one rocker shaft spring washer was broken when I adjusted valves, maybe I should upgrade to bolt shafts... I guess 105HP/180NM I have a similar engine ;) Title: Re: Two very streetable engine recipes with Engle W100 Post by: Zach Gomulka on June 02, 2015, 16:30:29 pm Small carbs on the big engine and bigger carbs on the small engine??
Recently finished a 1915 for my dad with a 100 cam. Kadron's (tried to talk him into buying my 36's but he said his fat hands wouldn't have it ::)), ported stock valve heads, CW crank, blah blah. He likes torque, so I think it should suit him nicely. Title: Re: Two very streetable engine recipes with Engle W100 Post by: DWL_Puavo on June 02, 2015, 16:47:47 pm The carbs in 1641 were from my friend when I was rebuilding my own 36's. I tried the new engine first with 30 and now 32 main venturies, the difference was well noticeable in 3500-5000rpm. Maybe additional few ponies to the top but nothing missing from the bottom. I would be very happy with 105hp/180nm as my target was 100/160 :)
One statistics more - fuel consumption was just about 10 litres / 100km on normal 80-100kmh travel. This was about the same in both engines even if the transmission and tires were the same. Title: Re: Two very streetable engine recipes with Engle W100 Post by: Berger on June 03, 2015, 20:31:23 pm Mine is 87x82. Modified 1641 pistons. W100 cam. Stock 1600 heads, same compression ratio as yours. This is the dyno result. Same result on two differnt dynos.
I now have this engine in my split buss, driven thousands of kilometers, and it`s the best engine I ever had! :) |