The Cal-look Lounge

Sooo, I never got ready with my Pank restoration, not yet. That hurts to be honest. Intentions are very clearly that Pank must run on VW meeting or two prior to final retire. It will happen.
For now the focus is on Pank II.
Ola Malm and Stefan Kocken Allansson are good team members.

The dragster was purchased in USA in April.
It was built in the mid 90s in California. Then sold a couple of times and ending up in Alabama.
It had been stored since 1999.
Few real documented facts existed.
I have now updated the dragster and got it SFI tagged/approved two days ago.

Engine has been given an update and a lot of hoses, nipples and methanol damaged parts been replaced.
Transmission is tested.
A test run/shake-down is planned in few weeks.  
Next year a complete overhauled dragster will be run at several events but no competition is planned.
It is a Pauter Gen 1 Engine.
104 bore and 96 stroke i.e. 3311 cc
Roller cam and Hilborn injection running 100% methanol.
4 stage Pauter dry sump
The transmisison is PG with transbrake and to my surprise it has a 8" converter that is bolted together. Unheard of  in 1999 apart from in very few places.

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https://youtu.be/L3aqTws1cUg

First start up after I bought the car.

https://youtu.be/mg968neoHH4

One short transbrake test. Boost bumped to 25+ psi directly when I gave it throttle.

👍👍👍👍

 ;D ;D

Good luck now ..

Whoooo  :o
That looks fierce.

Several updates and refreshments going on.
But two "feel good" ones are the new wheels and the safety cage update.

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Not a beautiful sight but it worked really well on 24 psi boost.
I am still very positively surprised in finding this technology in a very old car.  A1 did the transmission so I guees the converter might be so too.

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This feels so potent and I hope it will give me "brown stains" in a private area when releasing the transbrake.
The one way valve leaks a bit so the needle has dropped in the picture but the intake pressure quickly peaks to 25+ psi.
Test run on the track is pretty close now.

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So she runs!
Pretty powerful too.

I have managed two testruns in Mosten Denmark.
Run #1 was 100% as per plan. It is more than 20 years since I sat  in a  dragster. Calm and controlled.
Run#2 was 90% as per plan.
Good burn out through both gears.
Good launch with at 5000 rpm and 25 psi boost (1.7 bar approx)
BUT I had intentionally set a very low MSD chip in the MSD /AL at 7400 rpm for the firts run and had intention to put in a 8500 chip for my second run. I forgot.
So with a 1.3 60 foot and through first in to second, all OK.
Then I hit the MSD chip, a backfire stopped all the fun on second gear.

6.0 on first gear (coasting to the finish line at 130 km/h) promises good potential for full runs.

Car is OK and if weather permits, I aim at one more test on the local Malmö track prior to Winter setting in.

wow that is a fast 60ft

looking forward seeing this dragster race in real life

nice job

Jesse

Log data.

I did 175 km/h att 100 meter (330 ft) 3.6 seconds
Shift from first to second was at 7500 rpm at this same point the car bogged hitting the revlimiter and I coasted down to 135 km/h.
This means it would have been a clear low 5 second run at a bit over 210 km/h.

Next time proof will be in the pudding.  I am happy though. It felt good.
1.3s 60 foot should also be low as 1.1s when things are all in order. That will be a nice asskicker. :-)

All parts in stock.... :-)

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Plus FT500
Plus a nice huge Screwcharger... :-)
2 X water intercoolers

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Now it is "just" to get these things together.
Feels good though.

- Quick drive
- A1 converter
- Liberty 5 Speed
- Whipple/HKS 3.6
-Two intercoolers with water or if my tests go well, a slight breeze of CO2 going through them.
- FT500 with 4 X Lambda
- 2X Bosch 2400 cc injectors per cylinder
- 2 1/18" primary with a merged collector exhaust.... not zoomies. I know, I am different and I like that. :lol:
- Steel plates on the Pauter engine block
- Billet Throttlebody

Using methanol? if so do you think you need intercoolers still?

cheers Richie

Well that is the topic of the day....
Who will answer me what is right and wrong?
Many schools out there.
I inject right above the valve and it means I am not cooling the air until it is entering the engine.
Note Indy cars and just lately the Volkron, intercoolers is the name of the game.
I will aim at ambient inlet temperatures and if my plan goes well, reaching it by injecting a small amount of CO2 in the water lines, instead of water.
I think it will work if the CO2 is small enough and not injecting until the pressure rises.

If I would inject methanol in the inlet tract, a totally different story and setup.

Sorry, I am not trying to be best knowing.... I do not know.
I listen happily to advise.
Reason with me, if my thinking is totally off?

I don't know that there is a 100% one rule fits all correct answer :o, I don't run one on old cab but have on New cab so far, but having spoken to a lot of racers running boosted methanol combos[mostly v8 pro mod stuff] in USA about it none of them run intercoolers and seems to be not enough benefit for the added weight

Don't you need to inject fuel into blower for lubrication or is that whipple not like that?

With the ft500 I would use one of spare outputs to add some fuel further up intake to help cool it that way and keep it simpler, I am not sure simpler appeals to you though with all the crazy stuff you do ;D :D

I do know with my own stuff its possible to get intake to cold and then methanol just puddles and doesn't want to light, it seems to like a warmer intake temp than gasoline based fuels do :)

The Whipple runs dry and this is an advantage in many ways.
Plus less risk of major back fires.

Yes, the methanol V8 guys do run wet intakes and therefore not a good reference for me.
I was pretty happy to see Volkron run a large intercooler. I will ask them if they have any advise. Love the topic. No clear answer.... he he

I was more talking about the turbo methanol cars than blower cars

This is latest creation from Pro line racing, using a gear driven Pro charger off end of crank & FT600 :)  no intercooler used :)

Thanks Richie!
Love that engine setup!

Just a picture but much more is happening. Every detail takes so much time. But I love it.
A good cleanup of the car but show quality and paint will only happen if I get a good contributor.
Some of the parts back from powdercoat.

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Do you plan to run this year ?

OHHH yes!  Do not ask me when. But I am trying hard.

Cool looking Proline engine Richie. However, I like this one better and still with no intercoolers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tDs-ixtmug (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tDs-ixtmug)

-BB-

Ahhh guys!  Trying to brain wash me that I do not need intercoolers with methanol.
No, I do not need it, BUT I am convinced I can gain HP with them and this versus the added weight of the dragster.
Now, for simplicity and lower boost this year, I will start without them..... :-)
Plus, from today, any methanol high boost engine I see in history, being successful with intercooler, I will start posting it here until you beg me to stop.... ha ha!

You do absolutely not need a intercooler with methanol. I would also consider not using a intercooler with ethanol.

I like the Cleetus Mc Farland youtube channel. He and his team of happy campers build hillbilly style cars and engines and fix the issues as they appear. Currently they are attending a Drag Week event with both their cars. Both without intercooler. Leroy is a 7 second car and Ruby runs deep into 8`s. Here is day 4 of drag week:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykX4B-KOjYQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykX4B-KOjYQ)

Keep on with the good work Frallan - love it!

-BB-

Wrong.. They both have water to air intercoolers below the top hat :)


But the channel rocks  8)

I stand corrected: Shearer Fabrications Hi-Ram intercooler. But that does not change the fact that Frallan doesn’t need one  :D

-BB-

"Need" ????
Please help me define need.
I might not need it but it will add power in the way I use it as I increase my boost.
But for my 32-35 psi in 2019, no, not really a need.

Please also take very careful attention to details on how the methanol is used.
Where is it injected?
If in any case is injected "upstreams" it does use it´s latent evaporation to best use. This is 95% of the solutions you will see.

If it is not, and injected only just above the valve, it will not use it´s properties of evaporation well.
This is the scenario which is very seldom seen and being my case.

Nice youtube entertainment!
Thanks!
Sure they run ice intercooler with boost turned on. BUT, not to be compared as it is gasoline.

Both C5s run Ignite E90.

Leroy (the body less car) ran 8.20s without the water pump to the IC turned on..

End talking and up to evidence. A friend sent me this.
How suitable for me.
I guess I was not the only one convinced intercoolers on injected methanol is useful....

Comments to this? :-)

https://bangshift.com/bangshift1320/watch-the-folts-and-shuch-air-cooled-vw-dragster-make-its-first-200mph-pass-and-the-second-in-air-cooled-vw-history/?fbclid=IwAR2E3CLiVT1aOyon31hZFmxhQmxFG2BcimvvHjNZIzjYghv4Kv1pyY4zcKk

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Interesting:
- Nitrous nozzle too
- Distributor...nothing extra fancy here.

I tend to agree with you Fredrik. Compressed air gets hot. Methanol resists detonation very well, but cooler air still takes in less space then hot air and if the methanol isn't injected far away from the valves, but close to the valves, the intake air must still be pretty hot entering the engine and intercooling would make a lot of sense to me also.
Dense air and detonation resistant are two different things. Meth can obviously do both, but not always is what your saying right?

Still, what do I know about methanol or ethanol as I stay away from the stuff best I can  ;D

Lots still do, I get it more in the intense heat of a So cal summer with 60psi of boost  :o like that dragster but in northern europe not so much ;) Methanol needs a decent amount of temperature to evaporate and light, I have had it on colder days when lambda and egts show it is struggling to do so and fuel drops out of suspension in my opinion.

Also its more about the weight/hp gain than just hp, will it make more hp with an intercooler, yes but does it add enough to counteract the weight increase? a intercooler core to support more than 1000hp is pretty big and heavy!!!!

Nitrous nozzle is just used to spool on transbrake  ;)

Curious question Richie; are you running electronic fuel injection and only injecting above the valves?

Fully agree on the balance of weight vs. HP gain.

The nitrous injection on my car when I ran it in Denmark was exactly set up like that. Only on transbrake and had disconnect setup at 15 psi boost. It had 2 X 25 hp nozzles.
Now, I was seriously surprised at how my engine spooled up to 25+ psi at just touch of the revs against the transbrake. Video on page one of this thread.
Had my little 5 lbs nitrous bottle loaded but never used it.

Thanks for the Paradise Express Lauffer car picture. I have not seen this prior.  :)

Yes motec on one car and fueltech on 2 others now, 2 cars have single set of Moran 500lb injectors about 4inches up intake, the other car has 2 x 220lbs per runner, 1 injector above the other maybe 2 1/2inches further up runner.

So you didn't use nitrous at all to spool? seems it really depends on how tight convertor is to if it needs it or not

cheers Richie

As far as I know it only appeared in that configuration once and we just happened to be at same race :)

So you didn't use nitrous at all to spool? seems it really depends on how tight convertor is to if it needs it or not.
No, that was very much to my surprise. We did many dry runs in my workshop and it was almost instant.
The video on page 1 was the first time and I spontaneously shouted "WTF".
On my second run in Denmark I did stage it and transbrake to 20 psi before letting go. Zero need for nitrous if it was not a very stressed stage situation and I think that would not be a problem.

The converter is a A1 steel bolted and stall approximately 5500-6000 rpm.

I will see if I find another video shot with me sitting in the seat and camera on the instruments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xBYZSfAntU

Now that I watch this again, again very surprising to see the response.
No nitrous.

I wish I knew how to convert it to slow speed but I think from 3-3500 and up to 5500-6000, the boost comes linear and direct.
Sitting in the workshop I did not dare to keep it against the stall. Anyway, I think you get the point?
No logger running either at this point. So only the video.