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Title: Dyno results Post by: BeetleBug on October 10, 2007, 20:02:28 pm I was looking at the cal-look.com forum and the Vegas dyno event thread. The results got me thinking;
NA 188 hp / 163 torque 143 hp / no torque reading 198 hp / 188 torque TURBO 500 hp / 501 torque 389 hp / 348 torque 268 hp / 232 torque 306 hp / no torque 515 hp / 504 torque 753 hp / 639 torque 460 hp / 456 torque 666 hp / no torque First off - those turbo results are amazing! But what was going on in the NA class? Two weeks ago I attended JPM`s dyno event in Sweden and while we only had two turbo cars there, one making 500hp and the other 260hp, we had one NA 1915ccm engine making 240hp and one other making 250hp. And what about Roman and his 285hp - street driven on pump gas? OK - look at their Top20 list, 9 cars from Europe including #1 and #2 spot and so far this season I do believe the same Finnish STREET driven car will make the #1 spot again. Are we taking over the NA class? ::) Please start the debate: Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: richie on October 10, 2007, 22:00:24 pm I was looking at the cal-look.com forum and the Vegas dyno event thread. The results got me thinking; NA 188 hp / 163 torque 143 hp / no torque reading 198 hp / 188 torque TURBO 500 hp / 501 torque 389 hp / 348 torque 268 hp / 232 torque 306 hp / no torque 515 hp / 504 torque 753 hp / 639 torque 460 hp / 456 torque 666 hp / no torque RWHP First off - those turbo results are amazing! But what was going on in the NA class? Two weeks ago I attended JPM`s dyno event in Sweden and while we only had two turbo cars there, one making 500hp and the other 260hp, we had one NA 1915ccm engine making 240hp and one other making 250hp. And what about Roman and his 285hp - street driven on pump gas? OK - look at their Top20 list, 9 cars from Europe including #1 and #2 spot and so far this season I do believe the same Finnish STREET driven car will make the #1 spot again. Are we taking over the NA class? ::) Please start the debate: Flywheel HP But yes to the taking over the N/A class apart from Maybe Shawn Geers??? cheers richie,uk Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: Rasser on October 10, 2007, 22:10:20 pm + some are measured with fanbelt and some without.... also good for some hp! worth considering nonetheless.
Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: BeetleBug on October 10, 2007, 22:23:46 pm Richie - yes I know but take away... let`s say 15%... and "our" NA results are still better. I guess there is still some races left over there so the Geers car can still make it. Quite interesting to follow that "fight" The Finnish car drives on the streets though, using pump gas. Can the Geers car match that?
Don`t know if any of the cars dynoed without the belt over there but the 250hp run was done with the belt on and tires slipping. Air Belt Gas Flywheel RWHP Different dynos All worth taking into consideration.. Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: richie on October 10, 2007, 22:59:28 pm Richie - yes I know but take away... let`s say 15%... and "our" NA results are still better. I guess there is still some races left over there so the Geers car can still make it. Quite interesting to follow that "fight" The Finnish car drives on the streets though, using pump gas. Can the Geers car match that? Don`t know if any of the cars dynoed without the belt over there but the 250hp run was done with the belt on and tires slipping. Air Belt Gas Flywheel RWHP Different dynos All worth taking into consideration.. Kalle,just pulling your leg :D :D :D The reality is that everything is different,we definately see better air at certain times of year than most of the california cars will ever see. Just another factor ;) I dont think Shawn would enter his car anyway,but who knows. Heres one for you!!!!!!!!!!!! is a boat anchor really Cal Look???????????????????? :D :D Not for me!!!!!!!!!!! cheers richie,uk Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: BeetleBug on October 10, 2007, 23:09:51 pm Richie - yes I know but take away... let`s say 15%... and "our" NA results are still better. I guess there is still some races left over there so the Geers car can still make it. Quite interesting to follow that "fight" The Finnish car drives on the streets though, using pump gas. Can the Geers car match that? Don`t know if any of the cars dynoed without the belt over there but the 250hp run was done with the belt on and tires slipping. Air Belt Gas Flywheel RWHP Different dynos All worth taking into consideration.. Kalle,just pulling your leg :D :D :D The reality is that everything is different,we definately see better air at certain times of year than most of the california cars will ever see. Just another factor ;) I dont think Shawn would enter his car anyway,but who knows. Heres one for you!!!!!!!!!!!! is a boat anchor really Cal Look???????????????????? :D :D Not for me!!!!!!!!!!! cheers richie,uk Now we`re talking. Is turbo cal-look? :-* But back to the topic - mostly we are using the same products, same heads, same IDA`s + + + + + We do hear about extremely high NA HP number from time to time but mostly those are 100% race engines. Where is the 230 - 290hp street engines from the US? -K- Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: Jon on October 10, 2007, 23:15:49 pm To me its a bit sad to see that turbos are taking over in the states... its probably just an coincidence in this "dyno" session, but as a whole the focus seems to have shifted from N/A to turbo. The swedes and JPM in particular makes impossible numbers seem easy. 130 horses pr liter is beyond good!
N/A is a gentleman sport ;D Correct me if im wrong, but good dynos correct their hp measurements from "actual air" to "lab condition air"... Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: ESH on October 11, 2007, 00:11:25 am The 198 / 188 NA motor is a full on real street motor, as in driven to the shops and has to deal with a range of temperatures, I know that that car's been driven in temps where 100 was the base line and whilst I can't comment on the dyno results I'm confident that on the same bit of tarmac NA vs NA that car will pretty much kick arse. I guess maybe the disparity in the fact that all their turbo HP is up and their NA HP is down may come from the fact that a turbo will make its own air where as NA sucks what's there and Vegas is in the desert, none of that dense Scandinavian air.
Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: louisb on October 11, 2007, 00:17:56 am To me its a bit sad to see that turbos are taking over in the states... its probably just an coincidence in this "dyno" session, but as a whole the focus seems to have shifted from N/A to turbo. The swedes and JPM in particular makes impossible numbers seem easy. 130 horses pr liter is beyond good! N/A is a gentleman sport ;D Correct me if im wrong, but good dynos correct their hp measurements from "actual air" to "lab condition air"... On the bright side, the cost of 48 idas is dropping like a rock. Seen several sets for under $700 recently. With the great exchange rate you guys should be snapping them up. --louis PS: Any maroon can make power with a turbo, it takes a real man to make power with carbs. ;D Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: Dominick Luppino on October 11, 2007, 00:45:27 am My Unlimited Street engine made 315hp @ 296tq It's a 2276cc with 48IDAs and alot of Nitrous, it also finished in the runner up spot in Unlimited Street.
Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: BeetleBug on October 11, 2007, 06:52:03 am My Unlimited Street engine made 315hp @ 296tq It's a 2276cc with 48IDAs and alot of Nitrous, it also finished in the runner up spot in Unlimited Street. Thank you for replying Dominick and congrats with the runner up spot. I guess it is Nitrous 1 - Turbo 1 now? :) Would you like to share with us your spec`s since I do know that many are considering to start playing with nitrous. Best rgs BB Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: richie on October 11, 2007, 09:17:26 am --louis PS: Any maroon can make power with a turbo, it takes a real man to make power with carbs. ;D is that slang???????????????? Whats a maroon? :D Guess you got a turbo car then? ;D cheers richie,uk Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: Fasterbrit on October 11, 2007, 09:20:49 am --louis PS: Any maroon can make power with a turbo, it takes a real man to make power with carbs. ;D is that slang???????????????? Whats a maroon? :D Guess you got a turbo car then? ;D cheers richie,uk Hey quit whining you maroon ;D matt keene ;D Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: richie on October 11, 2007, 09:31:52 am To me its a bit sad to see that turbos are taking over in the states... its probably just an coincidence in this "dyno" session, but as a whole the focus seems to have shifted from N/A to turbo. The swedes and JPM in particular makes impossible numbers seem easy. 130 horses pr liter is beyond good! N/A is a gentleman sport ;D Correct me if im wrong, but good dynos correct their hp measurements from "actual air" to "lab condition air"... Jon,I am fairly sure the turbo cars were specifically invited to make a good impression,it wasnt a coincedence.It was ment to be that way,makes better reading and more impressive for a magazine article ;) I am uncertain if the dyno corrects for air,more like the operator corrects for his building skills or lack of them sometimes :o i have often wondered about gear ratios and the affect they have on readings,genrally they seem to use 3rd gear,now this could vary hugely from car to car,surely the lower the ratio the more torque? Unless they are all done with a 1/1 ratio gear with the same tyre size then surely this changes the readings? anyone know for sure? cheers richie,uk PS Kalle,No proberly not but then neither is chrome but it doesnt seem to bother a million+ owners of "Cal-Look" cars particularly over here :o Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: Jon on October 11, 2007, 10:05:30 am I am uncertain if the dyno corrects for air, more like the operator corrects for his building skills or lack of them sometimes :o Well, I know for a Fact that JPMs dyno calibrates for the air, otherwise the readings would be of no help to him when using a dyno for its intended purpose, TUNING engines. i have often wondered about gear ratios and the affect they have on readings, generally they seem to use 3rd gear,now this could vary hugely from car to car, surely the lower the ratio the more torque? Unless they are all done with a 1/1 ratio gear with the same tyre size then surely this changes the readings? anyone know for sure? cheers richie,uk Usually the fourth gear is used as it gives the reading a better resolution, the dyno also reads the RPM of the engine, and between that and the speed of the wheels it should find out the total ratio. But I don’t know. Another reason for using third gear might also be the safety rating on the rollers. PS Kalle,No proberly not but then neither is chrome but it doesnt seem to bother a million+ owners of "Cal-Look" cars particularly over here :o Its like Stan/Loretta in Life of Brian... fights for the RIGHT to give birth, even thou its genetically impossible.... They fight for the right to call it cal-look <- THIS IS A JOKE!!! ;D ;D ;D Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: Neil Davies on October 11, 2007, 10:42:39 am I've wondered about the differences in dynos and rolling roads a lot - I thikn the fairest dyno shoot out was the one that VW Trends ran, where all the engines were put on the same dyno and tested by the same operator. Obviously the air would change during the day, but the other factors would be the same.
Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: richie on October 11, 2007, 10:43:16 am I am uncertain if the dyno corrects for air, more like the operator corrects for his building skills or lack of them sometimes :o Well, I know for a Fact that JPMs dyno calibrates for the air, otherwise the readings would be of no help to him when using a dyno for its intended purpose, TUNING engines. i have often wondered about gear ratios and the affect they have on readings, generally they seem to use 3rd gear,now this could vary hugely from car to car, surely the lower the ratio the more torque? Unless they are all done with a 1/1 ratio gear with the same tyre size then surely this changes the readings? anyone know for sure? cheers richie,uk Usually the fourth gear is used as it gives the reading a better resolution, the dyno also reads the RPM of the engine, and between that and the speed of the wheels it should find out the total ratio. But I don’t know. Another reason for using third gear might also be the safety rating on the rollers. PS Kalle,No proberly not but then neither is chrome but it doesnt seem to bother a million+ owners of "Cal-Look" cars particularly over here :o Its like Stan/Loretta in Life of Brian... fights for the RIGHT to give birth, even thou its genetically impossible.... They fight for the right to call it cal-look <- THIS IS A JOKE!!! ;D ;D ;D Jon,wasnt JPM dyno I was thinking of,many of the dynoes I have seen over the pond[mainly engine dynoes,not roling roads] seem to rely on the operator input for such things,causing misleading infomation and figures,the track is still the best dyno,but even then the air at say Gardermoen will mean the car should run quicker than say Vegas. I would be interested to know if the gear ratio/rpm is used to input info on JPMs dyno that actually affects the hp reading,will look into this,cheers richie,uk Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: louisb on October 11, 2007, 12:38:48 pm --louis PS: Any maroon can make power with a turbo, it takes a real man to make power with carbs. ;D is that slang???????????????? Whats a maroon? :D cheers richie,uk You must not have watched Bugs Bunny as a kid. maroon = moron ;D --louis Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: Dominick Luppino on October 11, 2007, 18:06:07 pm 2276cc Specifications
Autocraft engine case, 12mm head studs 82mm BUGPACK wedgemated crank Pauter Aluminum rods 5.400 94mm Wiseco Pistons w/J&E wrist pins Heads Up Performance steel billet cam It’s like an FK-87 CB Comp E heads reworked by Heads Up Performance, 48x38 w/K-800 springs 9.5 to 1 comp. Berg 1.4 rockers Berg 1 ¾ header with a custom made duel 2 ½” bullet mufflers MSD Dist & 7 AL-2 box with a 3 stage retard box Custom made Nitrous system made by Dave Perkins & I using a NOS Pro Sportsman fogger kit modified Two Holley Black fuel pumps one for the engine, one for the Nitrous system using ½ line to the regulators. 340hp plus at the flywheel 315 at the Dyno Day to the rear tires running very rich. Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: Roman on October 11, 2007, 18:34:40 pm JPM's dyno is known in Sweden for it's low readings. I have spoken to several tuners in his area.
His dyno is a Bosch unit and it reads the moment of the inertia of two heavy rolls. This is known to be the most exact way to measure on a rolling road. This dyno also doeas a roll out to measure the transmission power loss. This is very important as the power losses is depending on the wheel speed and rpm and it is not linear. This is the one of the reasons why most dyno operators use third gear: At least on the reading the car has more HP and the that is what the customer likes to see. Last year I dynoed my engine to 228 hp on JPM's dyno. I ran 11.290 - 116 mph with a 1700 lbs car including driver. On the wallace racing calulator: http://www.wallaceracing.com/et-hp-mph.php It should have made 11.38 SEK on the HP from ET calculator HP from MPH at the same calculator: 218 hp HP from ET and weight from the calculator: 233 hp. The dyno can't be that far away, right? Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: SSRT on October 11, 2007, 18:56:21 pm My NA race engine made 283 hp on JPMs rolls, but made only 237 hp on another roll in Norway... It seems like theres a lot of differense between most of the rolls I have tried!
Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: Roman on October 11, 2007, 19:32:04 pm My NA race engine made 283 hp on JPMs rolls, but made only 237 hp on another roll in Norway... It seems like theres a lot of differense between most of the rolls I have tried! Sounds like JPM:S old race engine, the one that is in a Rallycross car in Norway now? 237 sounds VERY low for that engine - it made 10.03 on the quarter. How long time and how many races between the two dyno readings? Maybe major leakdown?Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: SSRT on October 11, 2007, 20:25:04 pm My NA race engine made 283 hp on JPMs rolls, but made only 237 hp on another roll in Norway... It seems like theres a lot of differense between most of the rolls I have tried! Sounds like JPM:S old race engine, the one that is in a Rallycross car in Norway now? 237 sounds VERY low for that engine - it made 10.03 on the quarter. How long time and how many races between the two dyno readings? Maybe major leakdown?Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: Roman on October 11, 2007, 20:36:52 pm Weird...
Maybe we should do a dyno test on STT Emtecs dyno? :) STT is a local company that makes Emission systems and engine development for Mitsubishi and emission systems for heavy vehicles. Accuracy +/- 0.2% up to 10 000 rpm!! That is /- 0.6 hp on a 300 hp engine. http://www.sttemtec.com/p238/files/Spec_testcell_1.pdf Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: richie on October 11, 2007, 20:51:37 pm This is the one of the reasons why most dyno operators use third gear: At least on the reading the car has more HP and the that is what the customer likes to see. These were my thoughts,3rd gear = higher reading Last year I dynoed my engine to 228 hp on JPM's dyno. I ran 11.290 - 116 mph with a 1700 lbs car including driver. On the wallace racing calulator: http://www.wallaceracing.com/et-hp-mph.php It should have made 11.38 SEK on the HP from ET calculator HP from MPH at the same calculator: 218 hp HP from ET and weight from the calculator: 233 hp. The dyno can't be that far away, right? Interesting,last time I dynoed my car was in Belgium for the DAS week a couple of years ago,it made 471 flwheel hP on a rolling road using 3rd gear,now using your wallace calc it makes,well lets say at little more using the mph& weight which I feel gives the most accurate info.The wallace calc is rwhp though isnt it? cheers richie,uk Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: Roman on October 11, 2007, 21:10:22 pm The wallace calc is rwhp though isnt it? Actually I don't know but it is rather OK if it is flywheel HP. If it is RWHP I had 233 rwhp on a street driven N/A 2387 with 044 heads. A bit too good to be true! Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: richie on October 11, 2007, 21:30:25 pm The wallace calc is rwhp though isnt it? Actually I don't know but it is rather OK if it is flywheel HP. If it is RWHP I had 233 rwhp on a street driven N/A 2387 with 044 heads. A bit too good to be true! Mmmm,might be a bit optomistic for you old set up. Anyway back to the origional topic,why are you alll bothering with IDAS,there shite :D cheers richie,uk Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: Roman on October 11, 2007, 21:51:25 pm Yes, they are!
EFI is the way to go and everybody knows that hairdryers are for girls! :) Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: Martin Greaves on October 11, 2007, 21:56:00 pm Oh dont you start that on here. :D
Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: richie on October 11, 2007, 22:03:49 pm Yes, they are! EFI is the way to go and everybody knows that hairdryers are for girls! :) Or men with long hair :D Glad you have sen the light at the end of the tunnel Roman :) cheers richie Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: Martin Greaves on October 11, 2007, 22:12:15 pm Yes what he is not telling is that he has also got a turbo.
Have you not Roman. ;) Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: Roman on October 11, 2007, 22:35:41 pm Yes what he is not telling is that he has also got a turbo. Yes I have a VW turbo now. Have you not Roman. ;) I have seen the light in the end of the tunnel! It is a -01 Passat 1.8T! ;D I must say that my bug is a lot faster and it is normally aspirated. Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: Roman on October 11, 2007, 22:36:54 pm Or men with long hair :D Glad you have sen the light at the end of the tunnel Roman :) cheers richie I'm half bald! Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: ESH on October 11, 2007, 22:43:46 pm I'm half bald! You can make up in aerodynamics what you lack in power, and buff your head on the dyno at the same time. :) Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: Neil Davies on October 12, 2007, 10:03:50 am Interesting reading about power losses and dyno readings - my old 2276 IDA motor was dyno'd by John Maher when it ran 48IDFs at 187.5 at the flywheel. I bought it, put the IDAs on it and had it set up on a Mustang rolling road and it came out with 129 at the wheels. It ran a 12.09 @ 109mph in a 1640lbs car, so I know it wasn't short on power by that much! Can't see how you can lose nearly 60hp through the gearbox...
Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: Roman on October 12, 2007, 19:39:41 pm 60 hp power loss is impossible.
Energy can't be destroyed or created. The 60 hp power loss would be heat if it isn't turned into acceleration. The oil in your tranny would have been cooked if you had a 60 hp loss. Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: Steve D. on October 12, 2007, 22:25:01 pm I know the motor that made the 198/188- after a short jet change it made 204hp/199tq. Peak power was at 6k, peak torque was at 4.5k, it was making 150tq @2.5k This was all with 91oct. California gas, fan belt installed, and REAL muffler (Walker Dynomax)- no coat hanger mufflers here! It has more in it, just have to find it. The car drives super mellow until you put the hammer down, and cruises all over at 70+mph. Even with the Vegas heat, over 100 miles were put on the odo. over the weekend in Vegas. Fun time, hope it shows up next year.
Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: ESH on October 12, 2007, 22:40:15 pm ...the car drives super mellow until you put the hammer down, and cruises all over at 70+mph... :) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/SanchoPancho/Los%20Angeles%202007/LA200712.jpg) Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: quickkafer on October 12, 2007, 23:54:49 pm Wow! Great to see the following on the otherside of the world! ;D
I'm Scott Faivre of German-Pride.com (http://www.german-pride.com), the guy who put on the inaugural Dyno Session in the Desert. Thanks for all the great comments! It makes the countless hours I put into the event all worth it! ;) The dyno we used was a Dynojet 248C with some software upgrades that makes it valid until 1400 HP or so. We should be safe for a couple of years. ;D The dyno is not isolated in a "lab type environment" so it uses and measures ambient air temps. Vegas's elevation is 2165 ft above see level and the air has very little humidity. The naturally aspirated cars could suffer from it. We were to have 9 N/A cars, but 5 of them couldn't make it. Shawn Geers car was to be one of them! :( EVERYONE wanted to see that car on the dyno! N/A is definitely fading on the West Coast of the USA. The cal-look and nostalgia guys like it, but the racers are all slowly becoming Turbo EFI guys. The East Coast of the USA still has a lot of N/A cars, but I would think that it will only be a matter of time before they start going over to the otherside. I was very pleased with the way the inaugural event went off. Madson's 753 HP is a stout number that will be hard to top! I have an article on German-Pride.com with all of the dyno sheets, etc. from the event. I'll expand the article with motor stats in about a week. (I need time to catch up and it's my daughter's birthday party this weekend.) What do you guys think of those bitchin' trophies made from flywheels? ;D Hope to see you guys in Vegas in 2008! Scott Faivre Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: BeetleBug on October 13, 2007, 14:45:49 pm 2276cc Specifications Autocraft engine case, 12mm head studs 82mm BUGPACK wedgemated crank Pauter Aluminum rods 5.400 94mm Wiseco Pistons w/J&E wrist pins Heads Up Performance steel billet cam It’s like an FK-87 CB Comp E heads reworked by Heads Up Performance, 48x38 w/K-800 springs 9.5 to 1 comp. Berg 1.4 rockers Berg 1 ¾ header with a custom made duel 2 ½” bullet mufflers MSD Dist & 7 AL-2 box with a 3 stage retard box Custom made Nitrous system made by Dave Perkins & I using a NOS Pro Sportsman fogger kit modified Two Holley Black fuel pumps one for the engine, one for the Nitrous system using ½ line to the regulators. 340hp plus at the flywheel 315 at the Dyno Day to the rear tires running very rich. Thank you for sharing! May I ask which barrels you`re using? Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: BeetleBug on October 13, 2007, 14:59:59 pm Wow! Great to see the following on the otherside of the world! ;D I'm Scott Faivre of German-Pride.com (http://www.german-pride.com), the guy who put on the inaugural Dyno Session in the Desert. Thanks for all the great comments! It makes the countless hours I put into the event all worth it! ;) The dyno we used was a Dynojet 248C with some software upgrades that makes it valid until 1400 HP or so. We should be safe for a couple of years. ;D The dyno is not isolated in a "lab type environment" so it uses and measures ambient air temps. Vegas's elevation is 2165 ft above see level and the air has very little humidity. The naturally aspirated cars could suffer from it. We were to have 9 N/A cars, but 5 of them couldn't make it. Shawn Geers car was to be one of them! :( EVERYONE wanted to see that car on the dyno! N/A is definitely fading on the West Coast of the USA. The cal-look and nostalgia guys like it, but the racers are all slowly becoming Turbo EFI guys. The East Coast of the USA still has a lot of N/A cars, but I would think that it will only be a matter of time before they start going over to the otherside. I was very pleased with the way the inaugural event went off. Madson's 753 HP is a stout number that will be hard to top! I have an article on German-Pride.com with all of the dyno sheets, etc. from the event. I'll expand the article with motor stats in about a week. (I need time to catch up and it's my daughter's birthday party this weekend.) What do you guys think of those bitchin' trophies made from flywheels? ;D Hope to see you guys in Vegas in 2008! Scott Faivre Very nice trophies and I would like to come over next year - will you have a long distance trophy :) I`m looking forward to read about the different engines that got dynoed. Best rgs BB Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: stealth67vw on October 14, 2007, 03:38:44 am I bet Shawn is making way over 300 N/A. 10.58 second time out? That car just sounds nasty.
Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: ugly duckling on October 14, 2007, 04:28:01 am right on steve D. a deffenet congrats to ya. not bad for a 91oct and low 9.3 comp and small dune buggy cam. i gusse you could rasie your comp to the 12 mark or even to the 15 mark. but what fun would that be. if you cant drivem up and down the 405 and the 22 and thorue the streets of oc. what good is it right? thats what you call a aunist to god (real NA crap gas street car period!!) keep up the great work. not bad for a young wipersnaper ;). UD.
Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: ugly duckling on October 14, 2007, 04:36:23 am and also i wanted to say thanks to scott faivre for putting on the dyno event good job sir.tim and i will make it next year we just cut it to close this year. we made it to the track but just barly. have a good one. UD.
Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: Dominick Luppino on October 14, 2007, 16:48:30 pm The cyl. on my 2276 are custom made Autocraft, 94mm bore 98mm top, extra thick were it counts.
Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: BeetleBug on October 14, 2007, 21:45:53 pm The cyl. on my 2276 are custom made Autocraft, 94mm bore 98mm top, extra thick were it counts. Now that`s some interesting info right there - again thanks for sharing. If only those Autocrafts cylinders was available over the counter. I like the idea of having a streetable engine that turns into a hard core race engine by pushing a button. :) Best rgs BB Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: quickkafer on October 16, 2007, 21:37:45 pm Forgive the delay, but I've got the official results (http://www.german-pride.com/Joomla/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=32) of the event all up on my site now. I also compiled a video of some shots and video clips from the event. Registered members who are logged in, can view the video HERE (http://www.german-pride.com/Joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=23&Itemid=58). If you are not logged in, you'll get an error message.
I still get goosebumps listening to the sound of these cars turnin' 9 Grand on the dyno! ;D SIMPLY AWESOME!!! The return of the Fast Fiat is on there too! And of course, Eric Madson's record setting 753 HP pull! Enjoy! Scott Faivre Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: BeetleBug on October 17, 2007, 14:06:01 pm Thanks Scott! Of all the cars on the video the one that really impresses me is the Devils Hot Rod. It sounds like he is reving that thing like a Formula 1 engine :) Eric Madsons 753hp is also crazy - very impressive. Worlds most powerful VW!
Best rgs BB Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: quickkafer on October 17, 2007, 17:40:39 pm The only question is... "Will we see an 800 HP VW in 2008?" ;D
What's really neat is that the 2007 PRA Pro Mod Champion, Eric Calabrese (aka Red Baron), got up to 622HP before he spun his tires on the dyno rollers and smoked them! If you look at his dyno chart, you can see that too! I wonder how much HP he is truly making? And now, something from the mouths of babes... When my 7 year old daughter saw the Red Baron go up in smoke, her exact quote was this... "Daddy! He did just like the T-shirt design!" ;D And for your reference... (http://www.german-pride.com/gallery2/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=347751&g2_serialNumber=2&g2_GALLERYSID=5d1db867ec43833aa9ee31b3815d95ed) (http://www.german-pride.com) Ya gotta love kids! ;) Scott Faivre Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: BeetleBug on October 17, 2007, 18:30:29 pm You know Scott - we have a blind man over here that builds some powerful VW engines. He dynoed his street driven VW to a whopping 727hp... maybe he will be the first to break the 800hp barrier :)
BB Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: richie on October 17, 2007, 18:34:43 pm You know Scott - we have a blind man over here that builds some powerful VW engines. He dynoed his street driven VW to a whopping 727hp... maybe he will be the first to break the 800hp barrier :) BB is the bucket in case of a water leak :D Kalle,did they get this car to work properly yet at the track? cheers richie,uk Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: Rune on October 17, 2007, 18:37:12 pm Dont think so, I have never seen it run a full 1/4 mile successfully.
Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: BeetleBug on October 17, 2007, 18:57:47 pm Best run is a low 10 in Sweden - seems like it is a hard for them to get that monster to run properly on a track.
I do believe the bucket is for all the oil he spilled when he tested the Georotor pump he is holding in his hand........ BB Title: Re: Dyno results Post by: quickkafer on October 17, 2007, 21:15:50 pm You know Scott - we have a blind man over here that builds some powerful VW engines. He dynoed his street driven VW to a whopping 727hp... maybe he will be the first to break the 800hp barrier :) BB VERY COOL! I wonder how many pounds of boost he was running? Mike Scott's Pewter 55 Oval was only running 29-30 lbs when he made 515 HP with a muffler on his street driven car. I'd love to see 45lbs+ dialed in and see what kind of crazy HP numbers he'd make! ;D Scott Faivre |