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Title: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: Shubee2 (DSK) on November 06, 2007, 15:10:12 pm
I have Been Enjoying al the Pictures posted of the European Drag Events But I have A Question  I have Noticed that in a lot of the Video clips and pictures of DDD5 and EBI 1  That there are also V8's Racing?  when they have a VW Event is it not just VW's? or are the Events Combined With other  Events that are taking place at the same Drag Strip the same Day. Just Wondering  it's alway Nice to see a VW give a V8 an Ass Whoopin ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: Frank LUX on November 06, 2007, 15:49:44 pm
Hi Shubee,

DasDragDay is a combined Event so V8's and Ricers aswell, BUT NO V8'S at EBI... ;)

Frank


Title: Re: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: benssp on November 06, 2007, 15:55:12 pm
Due to the small amount of VW's that race proffessionaly in europe, you will mostly find that they will be in their own class at a larger event mostly dominated by V8s

In the UK, MSA(dragracing regulations governing body) racing meets will only permit 'legal' race cars run on that day

Some VW shows wil run a days Run What Ya Brung on one day and MSA classes the next

To make it worth them having a round of racing there, V8 classes will also be invited to make it worth while applyimg for the permit

Das Drag Day hosted the finals of the street eliminator in germany but was mostly dominated by the VW's(read all about it in the latest UltraVW ;D


Title: Re: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: Berger on November 06, 2007, 21:22:56 pm
Next year there will be no V8`s at Scandinavian Cal-look Classic (SCC) in Norway either, just two whole days of VW dragracing!
We were tired of the V8 people who didn`t give any priority to us, so we threw them out...  ;)


Title: Re: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: Udo on November 07, 2007, 07:38:21 am
Hi Berger
That's a good idea  :) . We must have some more racecars there from all over Europe !!

@ shubee2 Here you can find pictures of both , V8 and beetles  http://1on1-motorsports.de/mambo45/component/option,com_pictool/Itemid,57/?WHICH=ddd07

Udo





Title: Re: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: Berger on November 07, 2007, 07:47:33 am
Yes Udo, that`s what we hope for! And we hope to see you and your fantastic car again there next year too :)



Title: Re: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: Bewitched666 on November 07, 2007, 08:42:02 am
Dragracing in holland is in kids shoes
You have a track in drachten where they race professionally but its more v-8 related.
I only know 2 guys that race there with beetles and they are Udo Becker and Robert Jong(or de Jong).

At vw beetle events they have some sprints but not according to any rules of the NHRa or DHRA or others.
Mostly its a sprint on some abandoned street with no saftey meassures at all( wont race on that even if they put a gun on my head ;D)

Now you have a select group of guys who are into the old callook and they are a bit into dragracing but that group is way to small for a all vw beetle class.

And dutch people in general arent that car minded like the germans,belgians,britsh or americans to name a few country's.
Mostly when something is out on the way of trends(carwise then) the dutch pick up that trend when the rest of the world moved on already to a newer trend.But this has alot to do with the sober kind of thinking here. ;D

But i hope now that you have the EBI and dragracing is taking off that there will be more cars.
And the other thing i think that keeps peops from racing is the high prices of parts >:(


Title: Re: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: Shubee2 (DSK) on November 07, 2007, 16:51:28 pm
Hi Berger
That's a good idea  :) . We must have some more racecars there from all over Europe !!

@ shubee2 Here you can find pictures of both , V8 and beetles  http://1on1-motorsports.de/mambo45/component/option,com_pictool/Itemid,57/?WHICH=ddd07

Udo




Thanks For the Link Udo Great Pictures  it looked like everyone had a lot of Fun ;D ;D


Title: Re: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: Udo on November 07, 2007, 22:03:55 pm
Yes Udo, that`s what we hope for! And we hope to see you and your fantastic car again there next year too :)



I just wrote the date in my race schedule for next year !!

I think Kobus is the man to organize a trip to your event  ;D

Udo


Title: Re: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: Udo on November 07, 2007, 22:06:16 pm
Dragracing in holland is in kids shoes
You have a track in drachten where they race professionally but its more v-8 related.
I only know 2 guys that race there with beetles and they are Udo Becker and Robert Jong(or de Jong).

At vw beetle events they have some sprints but not according to any rules of the NHRa or DHRA or others.
Mostly its a sprint on some abandoned street with no saftey meassures at all( wont race on that even if they put a gun on my head ;D)

Now you have a select group of guys who are into the old callook and they are a bit into dragracing but that group is way to small for a all vw beetle class.

And dutch people in general arent that car minded like the germans,belgians,britsh or americans to name a few country's.
Mostly when something is out on the way of trends(carwise then) the dutch pick up that trend when the rest of the world moved on already to a newer trend.But this has alot to do with the sober kind of thinking here. ;D

But i hope now that you have the EBI and dragracing is taking off that there will be more cars.
And the other thing i think that keeps peops from racing is the high prices of parts >:(

I wonder each year why there is no street beetle racing in drachten in the streetmachine bracket class ? Only germans from my team

Udo


Title: Re: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: Berger on November 08, 2007, 08:52:25 am
Yes Udo, that`s what we hope for! And we hope to see you and your fantastic car again there next year too :)



I just wrote the date in my race schedule for next year !!

I think Kobus is the man to organize a trip to your event  ;D

Udo

Thats GREAT news Udo!! Looking forward to see you on the track at Gardermoen again :)

Kobus; what do you say, do you take the challenge?? ;)

(http://www.cal-look.no/2007_pics/images/udo3.jpg)


Title: Re: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: Udo on November 08, 2007, 13:01:29 pm
Yes i vote for Kobus to organise the tripp  ;D. The main thing is the ferry trip . From Kiel to Oslo would be the best but very expensive . Kiel to Helisingborg what i did .

Udo


Title: Re: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: Berger on November 08, 2007, 13:16:32 pm
We will make contact with Colorline and try to get an group discount for those who want to go by ferry.
An alternative is to drive through Denmark, less expensive and even faster!

:)


Title: Re: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: Bewitched666 on November 09, 2007, 08:31:56 am
Udo beetle dragracing is in kids shoes here in holland and i really mean baby new born shoes,haha ;D

I think becoz drachten isnt a well know item in the beetle scene here nobody runs on the track.
But i hope that if everything works out that there can be races again on the drachten strip i will try to
get some guys who are active on the keversiteforum to go and race there.

If we can get a lot of guys to race in drachten i may think of joining too.
Then you have dragracing in drachten,EBI and DDD and those are a few more dates that make it worth for me to build a dragracer here in europe.

I race in curacao and the caribbean and i do that a few times a year going to puerto rico,aruba,venezuela,trinidad and more,but never thought of racing here since you dont have a beetle class and for me its not worth it to risk my life sprinting at events like budel.

But i hope now that more are into racing it will take off a bit more,drachten is a official dragtrack so who knows what next year will bring. ;D


Title: Re: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: Udo on November 09, 2007, 13:00:20 pm
Yes , it looks good that next year we have 3 races in Drachten . But if you build a car look for the rules first . That is one main problem here in Europe that most cars are not leagal for Fia or other official races . I see it in Bitburg at the inspection , there are new build cars that never can pass an official inspection . On Dragday for example we have some englisch cars , Kemps and mine who can run official in Superstreet .

Udo


Title: Re: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: JeePee/DVK on November 09, 2007, 13:09:14 pm
Hi Udo,
Is the track in Drachten clean again?
I heard that there where some problems with the track?
Grtz:JeePee.


Title: Re: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: Neil Davies on November 09, 2007, 17:06:44 pm
Yes , it looks good that next year we have 3 races in Drachten . But if you build a car look for the rules first . That is one main problem here in Europe that most cars are not leagal for Fia or other official races . I see it in Bitburg at the inspection , there are new build cars that never can pass an official inspection . On Dragday for example we have some englisch cars , Kemps and mine who can run official in Superstreet .

Udo

Rules in the UK are quite different to the US rules - we seem to be more strict on safety for sure. Roll-cages for example, are a major stumbling block with imported cars. In O/FF you can't compete in an MSA (Motor Sport Association) event without a full 6-point cage. Even Mark Prossers bay panel van has a full cage, even though it doesn't quite meet the 12.99 index (13.50 is bloody close for a housebrick though!). When I left VWDRC the rules stated that a 6 point cage was needed for Pro (12.99 and quicker) and the faster Sportsman cars (14.99 - 12.99) needed a roll bar with rear stays. Most of the DRKC cars have just got a 4 or 5 point bar, even those into the 10s! You've got to either be suicidal or think you're tougher than God to do 10's in a s/a beetle with half a cage! :D

Funnily enough, the V8's don't need cages until 10.00! :o


Title: Re: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: Udo on November 09, 2007, 17:13:39 pm
Hi Udo,
Is the track in Drachten clean again?
I heard that there where some problems with the track?
Grtz:JeePee.

Yes , they made the track new and have a confimation for 3 races . We will see what goes on there . Can't wait to drive there again . Drachten and wittstock are the best places to drive . And Bitburg each month  :) .

Udo


Title: Re: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: JeePee/DVK on November 09, 2007, 17:23:21 pm
Sounds good,maybe I will race there next year.
Are there special regulations for streetcars?
Ore just tüv,APK and thats it.
If got a 4 point harnes and a good helmet.


Title: Re: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: Roman on November 09, 2007, 18:59:12 pm
There rules here in Sweden are 99% NHRA. The big difference between NHRA and SHRA (Swedish NHRA) is that we often have the prevoius years NHRA ruels. The same is for the rest of Scandinavia as we have scavian cups.
NHRA Rules means Roll bar under 11 sek and Cage under 10.


Title: Re: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: Bewitched666 on November 09, 2007, 21:35:47 pm
Jeepee look for the rules on the DHRA site.

Where do you get the rules from Udo?

My bug will be according the NHRA rules ;D


Title: Re: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: Udo on November 10, 2007, 08:51:07 am
NHRA rules are ok . They are the same as in Germany .

Udo

Streetmachine means  lizensplates and a 3. belt min. Rollcage from 11.5 on that is the index of this class but they run ET bracket . You can run slicks also


Title: Re: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: JeePee/DVK on November 10, 2007, 09:14:22 am
NHRA rules are ok . They are the same as in Germany .

Udo

Streetmachine means  lizensplates and a 3. belt min. Rollcage from 11.5 on that is the index of this class but they run ET bracket . You can run slicks also

Sounds good Udo.
I will ask the clubmembers,if they wil join me to go racing on Drachten.
JeePee.


Title: Re: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: Jesse/DVK on November 10, 2007, 14:28:26 pm
NHRA rules are ok . They are the same as in Germany .

Udo

Streetmachine means  lizensplates and a 3. belt min. Rollcage from 11.5 on that is the index of this class but they run ET bracket . You can run slicks also

Sounds good Udo.
I will ask the clubmembers,if they wil join me to go racing on Drachten.
JeePee.

I will support you JeePee :)


Title: Re: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: Bewitched666 on November 10, 2007, 15:44:04 pm
Will help out then Jeepee and would be great if we can compete with a complete beetle class ;D


Title: Re: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: JeePee/DVK on November 10, 2007, 16:07:14 pm
I looked at DHRA site,but I can not find the prizes we have to pay to race.
If it is 200 Euro's for a weekend,then there will be no beetle at the start I think.


Title: Re: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: Udo on November 10, 2007, 17:55:02 pm
You can find the infos on   www.explosion.nl   . Drachten races are no DHRA events except the street leagle races on some weekends . These are explosion events . You have to pay 180 euros but have 8 qualifyings if the weather is good .

Udo


Title: Re: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: Bewitched666 on November 11, 2007, 15:06:49 pm
Serious dragracing comes at a cost Jeepee ;D


Title: Re: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: JeePee/DVK on November 11, 2007, 15:39:49 pm
Serious dragracing comes at a cost Jeepee ;D

But why should I pay so much?
Bitburg is much cheaper,and there are more Volkswagens.
I think it is not strange that there are no streetlegal Volkswagens at Drachten.


Title: Re: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: Udo on November 11, 2007, 18:55:44 pm
Bitburg is the best place , i know  ;D
But if you want serious Dragracing with equal competitors and classes it is better to go to Drachten sometimes . We have now a pro ET class in Germany , that means no 10,9 index  ;)

Udo


Title: Re: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: Bewitched666 on November 12, 2007, 08:23:22 am
Track cost,paying the people that work there,all the facility's etc Jeepee plus the prize money i guess.

When i race in curacao those are the cost they told me thats why you pay a fee.

Winning some classes=big bucks sometimes ;D


Title: Re: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: Jesse/DVK on November 12, 2007, 09:18:16 am
But the entry fee isn't the only thing that costs money. You need to go their, gasoline, food and drinks. Pff for a student like me it is quitte a lot of money.


Title: Re: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: Bewitched666 on November 12, 2007, 09:39:47 am
And you guys go all the way to Bittburg and EBI???? Jesse ???


Title: Re: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: Jesse/DVK on November 12, 2007, 14:47:54 pm
That's true Stanford. But Bittburg maybe costs me 180 eur for a complete weekend (gas, food etc) including a dash plague and tshirt :P.


Title: Re: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: Bewitched666 on November 12, 2007, 16:25:10 pm
You competed Jesse? 180 euros for eveything?

Whats the fee for participating at DDD then?

But then again drachten is a pro track unlike bittburg ;D


Title: Re: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: benssp on November 12, 2007, 17:04:23 pm


Whats the fee for participating at DDD then?


think the sign on fee is 25 euros ;D


Title: Re: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: Jesse/DVK on November 12, 2007, 17:38:07 pm
You competed Jesse? 180 euros for eveything?

Whats the fee for participating at DDD then?

But then again drachten is a pro track unlike bittburg ;D

I didn't compete Stan, still have a stock 1200. But I don't believe you have to pay more for competing than just the entry price.


Title: Re: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: Udo on November 12, 2007, 19:44:50 pm
What is the entrance fee  for an englisch Dragracing Event like Santa Pod ???  ???

Udo


Title: Re: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: richie on November 12, 2007, 20:07:43 pm
What is the entrance fee  for an englisch Dragracing Event like Santa Pod ???  ???

Udo

Udo,for a FIA/MSA event it is £150 at Santa pod,which includes electric hook up or £125 at Shakespeare raceway,which doesnt include the electricity.
This would be for a 3/4 day event.

For our Outlaw meets at non MSA events it is usually £20/25 entry per person to the event
 and £25 for the weekend to run your car on the track per person
cheers richie,uk


Title: Re: VW Racing In Europe?
Post by: Bewitched666 on November 13, 2007, 12:05:57 pm
I agree Jesse,sadly i dont make the rules on entery fee's
There are reasons for the amount of money they ask i suppose ;D

At the international dragway in curacao we pay about 150 euros for the fee
including elec.hookup and other costs ;D