Title: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: andrewlandon67 on April 24, 2019, 02:06:26 am So after a few weeks of back and forth in my head and bouncing various ideas off of my friends, I've finally decided to spend a bit of money and civilize my '67. It's not gonna be any slower or much heavier, but I'd like it to be just a little more comfortable and less exhausting to drive on a regular basis. So, with that in mind, I've narrowed it down to a few things I can afford to do without weighing it down or taking it back to stock, such as new door cards, window scrapers, and some kind of sound insulation. I've also thought a bit about fabricating a new muffler (louder but smaller,) that doesn't hang down off my header quite as much, which shouldn't be as daunting as it seems. As far as the sound dampening goes, I'd like to avoid pulling the motor again to replace the tarboard that I pulled out a few years back. Any suggestions as far as quietening it down a bit?
Any other thoughts? Depending on the cost of all the rest, I wouldn't mind re-covering my seats and adding some kind of extra cushioning, and maybe upgrading to some real seatbelts while I'm at it. Would a new headliner be worth the money and effort? I'm also thinking about new shocks in the rear, and maybe bringing the suspension up just a hair as well on all 4 corners. What all would you guys prioritize? My goal is to have it done by the end of July for the Colorado Bug In, and then parking my Subaru and enlisting the '67 for daily/occasional race duty until the snow flies (usually early/mid October.) The motor's fairly reliable, and would be getting valve adjustments after every night at the track, so I could keep an eye on it as far as that goes. Any advice/thoughts are greatly appreciated! Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: Bryan67 on April 24, 2019, 21:19:56 pm Better seats (Like Pro 90`s), lots of sound deadening in the doors, rear quarters and package tray, new carpet over all of that, don`t worry about the firewall unless you put deadener then an aluminum firewall or something similar over it. And if you do a new headliner, buy some good roof sound deadener behind it.
Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: andrewlandon67 on April 24, 2019, 22:06:00 pm Better seats (Like Pro 90`s), lots of sound deadening in the doors, rear quarters and package tray, new carpet over all of that, don`t worry about the firewall unless you put deadener then an aluminum firewall or something similar over it. And if you do a new headliner, buy some good roof sound deadener behind it. I'll definitely keep all that in mind! I think my car has all of the stock sound-deadening stuff, aside from the engine bay, so I might just stick a little extra back there underneath the carpet. Seats are a little bit out of my reach at the moment, but I'll definitely keep them in mind! Another thing I'm for sure going to do is put some kind of modern-ish seatbelts in, I like the stock '67 lap belts, but as quick as my car is these days, they seem just a little outmatched. Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: Jim Ratto on April 25, 2019, 17:57:27 pm Seats will make the biggest difference and/or correctly setup suspension geometry
The sound deadening Wolfsburg West sells as OEM replacement isn't heavy and it does commendable job at quelling the thrash from the motor. Personally, part of the thrill (for me) is all hell breaking loose any time I crank the Webers open. I don't want the rough edges smoothed off as far as noise. I made changes to my car in last 5 years so I wouldn't feel like I have to fight the car to drive it. Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: Fastbrit on April 25, 2019, 18:50:56 pm One of the most effective ways to quieten down a VW is to use modern sound dampening pads inside the rear quarter panels and doors. Those areas act like 'boom boxes', so anything you can do to stop the panels reverberating will be good.
Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: andrewlandon67 on April 25, 2019, 23:50:19 pm Seats will make the biggest difference and/or correctly setup suspension geometry The sound deadening Wolfsburg West sells as OEM replacement isn't heavy and it does commendable job at quelling the thrash from the motor. Personally, part of the thrill (for me) is all hell breaking loose any time I crank the Webers open. I don't want the rough edges smoothed off as far as noise. I made changes to my car in last 5 years so I wouldn't feel like I have to fight the car to drive it. This is a little more where I'd like to head. I can deal with engine noise for the most part, it's the clunks and rattles that really get to me and some of the whine from the gearbox as well. My rear shocks are rather worn out, so they'll probably get tossed while I'm getting all of this taken care of. Maybe I'll tweak the suspension a bit too, the ride in my car isn't exactly smooth and I'd like a touch more ride height all the way around. I've also decided on a bit of an unconventional muffler, so there will be one more thing to help drown out the valvetrain. One of the most effective ways to quieten down a VW is to use modern sound dampening pads inside the rear quarter panels and doors. Those areas act like 'boom boxes', so anything you can do to stop the panels reverberating will be good. Most of the interior in my car is original, and very little of it is holding together at this point. I think some extra insulation around those two areas, as well as new door cards should do a decent enough job. I might, depending on cost, also redo the carpet in the rear cargo area, since that is currently about as carpetlike as linoleum, and doesn't hang on to the firewall very well. Thanks again for all the advice, guys! Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: Martin S. on April 26, 2019, 00:29:28 am One change that surprised me to make the car more comfortable to drive was to get rid of the Berg rear traction bar. Even though I had the rubber version the engine vibration ran throughout the car. I now rely on the Berg mid mount, Berg gray rubber mounts and a cheap kafer cup engine brace with HD trans carrier.
Koni red shocks and koni red steering damper helped stabilize the car at speed quite a bit too but I found a deal on them otherwise probably not worth the $$$$$. Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: Torben Alstrup on April 26, 2019, 00:45:50 am One change that surprised me to make the car more comfortable to drive was to get rid of the Berg rear traction bar. Even though I had the rubber version the engine vibration ran throughout the car. I now rely on the Berg mid mount, Berg gray rubber mounts and a cheap kafer cup engine brace with HD trans carrier. Yes. The Berg traction bar is just annoying.Koni red shocks and koni red steering damper helped stabilize the car at speed quite a bit too but I found a deal on them otherwise probably not worth the $$$$$. Sound deadening. Kinda expensive, but worth every penny: Dynamat & Dynaliner plus blocking the C collar. Koni´s. - They are DEFINITELY worth the money. If you wanna skimp a little, drop the steering dampener. Proper alignment. Along with enough Caster on the front end. It is amazing how many people dsriving around with way not enough. Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: andrewlandon67 on April 26, 2019, 01:24:45 am One change that surprised me to make the car more comfortable to drive was to get rid of the Berg rear traction bar. Even though I had the rubber version the engine vibration ran throughout the car. I now rely on the Berg mid mount, Berg gray rubber mounts and a cheap kafer cup engine brace with HD trans carrier. Yes. The Berg traction bar is just annoying.Koni red shocks and koni red steering damper helped stabilize the car at speed quite a bit too but I found a deal on them otherwise probably not worth the $$$$$. Sound deadening. Kinda expensive, but worth every penny: Dynamat & Dynaliner plus blocking the C collar. Koni´s. - They are DEFINITELY worth the money. If you wanna skimp a little, drop the steering dampener. Proper alignment. Along with enough Caster on the front end. It is amazing how many people dsriving around with way not enough. I've ridden in a car with Koni shocks on all 4 corners before, the difference they make is amazing. Unfortunately though, a full set runs about the same cost as what I've mentally set aside for this little project, so they'll have to wait. Doing some reading on Caster, I wouldn't be surprised if I needed another pair of shims on my beam. Although my car's not the lowest in the world, it's still low enough for that kind of thing to have an impact. I'll try and get an angle finder for those once I actually get the time to get to work with this project. Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: Martin S. on April 26, 2019, 02:09:15 am As far as clunks and rattles go, they can be frustrating to find. You might wanna check the body to chassis mount points around the top of the rear shocks when you look at the back. There’s supposed to be rubber in there where it bolts together and that could be rattling as you drive (just a guess). Also on a swing axle the rubber swing arm bushings could be squished which can allow metal to metal contact.
The engine brace also can help the engine/ trans from moving up and down somewhat which could cause clunks and did make my clutch feel more solid, smooth, which makes for a more civilized drive. For the alignment you can try and find a deal at an alignment shop. Tell them that you don’t need any work done, you just need the printout. With that you can see the caster as an absolute number which takes your stance into account, awesome! Also it will tell you if one of your rear swing axles is different than the other with both camber and toe. All just about impossible to know without the digital test. Then you can take the info into account when tweaking your suspension. I just took a look at my printout and they didn’t fill out the front caster spec. Not sure why not. At the time I went on Lanner’s advice of pushing the rear axles all the way back in the slots. He said do this for lowered cars. Grind the slots larger to go even further back for really lowered cars he said. My printout said I had zero to 1/32” toe OUT and I was happy with the stability improvement and would recommend this as well. Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: Andrew on May 03, 2019, 14:35:25 pm This is a great thread for those of us trying to build a street car that can be both enjoyed as a fast VW only can and can be driven longer distances.
Jim, Martin what did you replace the traction bar with? Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: andrewlandon67 on May 03, 2019, 19:43:24 pm This is a great thread for those of us trying to build a street car that can be both enjoyed as a fast VW only can and can be driven longer distances. Jim, Martin what did you replace the traction bar with? That's exactly what I was hoping I could get started. I'm not looking for an 11 second "street car", nor am I in need of a 3.88/0.82 85mph interstate cruiser, just a bug that I can daily comfortably while still being able to kick the ass of 90% of whatever cars I get lined up next to at the racetrack/on my way to work. Eventually I'll get my car to handle properly again, but for now I'll just be happy with something I can drive every day without getting too beat up. As far as my project goes, I'm doing new window scrapers, seat covers, rear tray carpet, new underhood wiring cover, door cards, proper seatbelts, and a new muffler to tuck up under my fender a bit better so I don't worry about it hitting on everything. There are a few other little things I can get done while I'm at it as well, nothing major, but I think they'll help. Stuff like rechecking/setting the alignment, fixing a couple of small oil leaks, and bringing the nose of my car up by a hair or two. It won't be perfect, but I think it'll be a little more livable. Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: Martin S. on May 06, 2019, 13:02:35 pm This is a great thread for those of us trying to build a street car that can be both enjoyed as a fast VW only can and can be driven longer distances. Jim, Martin what did you replace the traction bar with? Hi, i didn’t replace the traction bar. I now rely on the Berg rubber mid mount, Berg gray rubber engine mounts and a EMPI cheap kafer cup engine brace with HD trans carrier. Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: brewsy on May 07, 2019, 12:53:49 pm As far as clunks and rattles go, they can be frustrating to find. You might wanna check the body to chassis mount points around the top of the rear shocks when you look at the back. There’s supposed to be rubber in there where it bolts together and that could be rattling as you drive (just a guess). Have a look at my build thread Andrew. Ive done these that Martin mentioned, the ones that sit between the beam and the 'nose' of the car and new stock shocks all around (inc the rubber top mount on the front). Car then became MUCH quieter and civilised and I then started to sort the squeaks and rattles inside the car. Loudest thing in the interior on mine is now the seats which when you live in London (the home of speed bumps) is becoming a right PITA!! Cheers Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: andrewlandon67 on May 07, 2019, 16:31:36 pm As far as clunks and rattles go, they can be frustrating to find. You might wanna check the body to chassis mount points around the top of the rear shocks when you look at the back. There’s supposed to be rubber in there where it bolts together and that could be rattling as you drive (just a guess). Have a look at my build thread Andrew. Ive done these that Martin mentioned, the ones that sit between the beam and the 'nose' of the car and new stock shocks all around (inc the rubber top mount on the front). Car then became MUCH quieter and civilised and I then started to sort the squeaks and rattles inside the car. Loudest thing in the interior on mine is now the seats which when you live in London (the home of speed bumps) is becoming a right PITA!! Cheers I did replace the rubbers at the front when I put a new beam in a few years ago, I'm hesitant to do the rear pads for the time being as I don't think those bolts have ever been undone and I don't want to have to pull the body off just to drill them out. All of my other suspension rubber has been done at the rear, so I suppose I might have to just dig a little deeper and pick up some new shocks for back there. Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: slowsixtyseven on May 10, 2019, 04:55:23 am Fixing anything having to do with worn suspension will certainly make a difference. A few years ago, when I cut and narrowed my beam, I replaced the front ball joints, tie rod ends, greased the beam needle bearings, repacked the brake hubs, etc. and what a difference it made! It handles like a new car plus no strange noises when going over bumps. All is tight.
I still have all my OG tar board with aftermarket carpet as well as a Kooks headers muffler to quiet down my turbo motor. The car is an absolute dream to drive; not too noisy, handles well and isn't rickety. It can most certainly be done. Also, I see you are planning to show up to Denver Bug-in! Im planning on going too, we should meet up. Im living over on the Western Slope of CO. Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: andrewlandon67 on May 10, 2019, 15:22:33 pm Fixing anything having to do with worn suspension will certainly make a difference. A few years ago, when I cut and narrowed my beam, I replaced the front ball joints, tie rod ends, greased the beam needle bearings, repacked the brake hubs, etc. and what a difference it made! It handles like a new car plus no strange noises when going over bumps. All is tight. I still have all my OG tar board with aftermarket carpet as well as a Kooks headers muffler to quiet down my turbo motor. The car is an absolute dream to drive; not too noisy, handles well and isn't rickety. It can most certainly be done. Also, I see you are planning to show up to Denver Bug-in! Im planning on going too, we should meet up. Im living over on the Western Slope of CO. I'll keep an eye out for you for sure! I'll be over with my friends/ex co workers at the Nu Vintage tent, we're usually right on the north end of the swap meet. I generally try to keep an eye on the ball joints and tie rods, and I think I have a grease gun to lube up the beam. They'll probably get a good looking-at while I have my car up on jack stands, just to be safe. Are you going to be racing at the Bug In? Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: Sam K on May 10, 2019, 19:09:28 pm I went on a mission a few years ago make my '67 a little more civilized as well. The koni's made a huge difference as did a lot of dynamat. I haven't been able to locate a Koni steering damper yet but as soon as I do, I'll be purchasing one. I'm currently thinking about some kind of exhaust that will be a little quieter than the A1 maganaflow. I wouldn't mind a set of aftermarket seats as well but all the ones I like cost a fortune.
Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: Bryan67 on May 11, 2019, 02:04:43 am When collecting parts for my 63 build I wanted to get a set of 911 Recaro replicas with hounds tooth centers. But at $1100 a piece I just couldn`t do it. So I called Scat and they did a custom set of Pro 90 seats that I`m very happy with. And for much less.
(https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1789824.jpg) (https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1789823.jpg) Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: RichardinNZ on May 11, 2019, 11:48:14 am Those seats look great.
Sent from my CLT-L09 using Tapatalk Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: Martin S. on May 12, 2019, 03:18:11 am I went on a mission a few years ago make my '67 a little more civilized as well. The koni's made a huge difference as did a lot of dynamat. I haven't been able to locate a Koni steering damper yet but as soon as I do, I'll be purchasing one. I'm currently thinking about some kind of exhaust that will be a little quieter than the A1 maganaflow. I wouldn't mind a set of aftermarket seats as well but all the ones I like cost a fortune. The koni red steering damper is an excellent improvement over stock!There is a huge need to control the shakes from a beam front end which the stock damper can barely keep up with and has to be in like new condition to be effective. The koni is adjustable, just like the shocks and is built to handle high performance. Worth it!! Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: Doktor on May 12, 2019, 19:32:14 pm I can testify on the Koni steering damper.
I have full set of Konis on my bug plus Koni steering damper - huge difference over stock ! As I wanted to lower front end the old school way, front is lowered only on the beam adjusters in combination with long travel balljoints and Koni's. ;) Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: j-dub on May 13, 2019, 16:01:59 pm Can anyone provide a Koni part number for a steering damper that would fit a early bug? All of my googling brings me to 76-1099 which is the type with an eyelet on either side which works on bus, 356 Porsche and maybe some later bugs. The early bug has one end that sort of looks like a hockey stick.
My best lead so far is 76-1099, but none of the internet sales listings has a matching image. From CSP, they give a vw part number but not Koni (https://www.csp-shop.com/_csp/Katalog/jpg_gross/537.jpg) Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: Doktor on May 13, 2019, 21:18:02 pm @ J-Dub: I couldn't find Koni part nr., but there is alternative from Bilstein: https://www.ebay.de/str/tafeltuning
It is also cheaper as my Koni steering damper costed me about 150€. ;) Regards, Doc Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: alex d on May 14, 2019, 14:27:05 pm It might be 76-1293
Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: andrewlandon67 on May 14, 2019, 16:04:06 pm Can anyone provide a Koni part number for a steering damper that would fit a early bug? All of my googling brings me to 76-1099 which is the type with an eyelet on either side which works on bus, 356 Porsche and maybe some later bugs. The early bug has one end that sort of looks like a hockey stick. My best lead so far is 76-1099, but none of the internet sales listings has a matching image. From CSP, they give a vw part number but not Koni (https://www.csp-shop.com/_csp/Katalog/jpg_gross/537.jpg) https://www.csp-shop.com/en/brand-shops/koni-steering-damper-425-021-113k-11381c.html I think I found it. That's far from cheap, but from what I've heard, it'll be worth the money. Looking at this, my guess is that CSP uses a 9 digit part number template, similar to VW, but more for stocking purposes. Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: j-dub on May 15, 2019, 03:15:49 am Thanks,
That is 300 US shipped if I get it from CSP, I was trying to find one local. I just sent a message to KONI asking about this, I will let you know what they say if I get a response. EDIT, here is the response I recieved from Koni EDIT#2 Koni confirmed the part number is 76-1293 Quote Jeremy, Thank you for your interest in KONI Shocks. The part has unfortunately been discontinued and is no longer available to us here in the US. The final 100 pcs were produced back in 2014 and shipped to Germany. The last time we brought these into the US Market was back in 2012, and that was only 5 pieces. 1 the prior year in 2011, and 3 in 2010. Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: andrewlandon67 on May 16, 2019, 19:08:51 pm Thanks, That is 300 US shipped if I get it from CSP, I was trying to find one local. I just sent a message to KONI asking about this, I will let you know what they say if I get a response. EDIT, here is the response I recieved from Koni Quote Jeremy, Thank you for your interest in KONI Shocks. The part has unfortunately been discontinued and is no longer available to us here in the US. The final 100 pcs were produced back in 2014 and shipped to Germany. The last time we brought these into the US Market was back in 2012, and that was only 5 pieces. 1 the prior year in 2011, and 3 in 2010. That's all too bad... I wonder if we could put together a lobby to get KONI to produce a few limited runs of them for those of us who want nice-driving VWs. Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: Brandon Sinclair on May 16, 2019, 21:58:22 pm What is the part number for the Bilstein steering dampner?
Those seats look great Bryan! How do they compare weight wise to the stock seats and comfort level? Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: j-dub on May 17, 2019, 03:33:57 am I made an update to my post above but Koni did confirm the part number is 76-1293. If anyone finds a source, please let me know.
I have attempted to purchase one from a online retailer, after the purchase process I received an email that the order would be canceled due to it not being in stock. I have also attempted to purchase one through Amazon, however I have my doubts about that as well. The link previously provided for the Bilstein version did not pan out but some googling shows Bilstein B 22 037 may be the one. Edit: the Amazon purchase did not work either, they contacted me today and said they were canceling the order due to lack of availability. Edit #2: I just purchased a Bilstein steering damper B 22-027, I have not yet installed it. Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: Bryan67 on May 17, 2019, 16:57:19 pm What is the part number for the Bilstein steering dampner? Those seats look great Bryan! How do they compare weight wise to the stock seats and comfort level? Thanks, I can`t tell you how they compare weight wise as I`ve never weighed them. But They are pretty similar I would say. And as far as comfort goes, they are WAY more comfortable then stock seats without looking too out of place. Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: andrewlandon67 on June 03, 2019, 18:10:17 pm One other thing I'd like to work on quietening down is the rattly shift rod in my car. I replaced the hangar/bushing a few years ago and while that certainly smoothed out my shifting, it didn't stop the incessant rattle at sustained cruising rpms. I don't know if that's been much improved with my new transmission, but as it always sounded like it's closer to the shifter, I'd imagine not. Any advice on ways to shut it up a bit?
And, on second thought, I've had some issues keeping my carbs balanced for any extended period of time. I can get them to synchronize at idle and at cruising throttle/RPM, but not at WOT, and if I go and floor it after getting the idle/cruising set, they immediately go out of synch with one carb hanging open and one idling where I set it. Do I just need to keep working at it, or is there something I'm missing? For the record, I'm running Berg linkage with some arms I bought from Midwest Control that are more similar to the traditional linkage arms with LH/RH threads for ease of synchronizing. Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: Martin S. on June 03, 2019, 20:46:29 pm I’ve read that a buzzy shifter is caused by worn out main bearings. I know you don’t want to hear that but it does make sense that loose bearings will let the crank vibrate which can transfer thru the shift rod. After all, what else could be the source of vibration except the engine? A recent tear down of my 71 bus revealed bearings worn right thru to the copper even though that engine ran great and never had the oil light flicker or low oil pressure when hot which is typical of loose bearings. Things wear out.
Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: andrewlandon67 on June 04, 2019, 03:43:15 am I’ve read that a buzzy shifter is caused by worn out main bearings. I know you don’t want to hear that but it does make sense that loose bearings will let the crank vibrate which can transfer thru the shift rod. After all, what else could be the source of vibration except the engine? A recent tear down of my 71 bus revealed bearings worn right thru to the copper even though that engine ran great and never had the oil light flicker or low oil pressure when hot which is typical of loose bearings. Things wear out. While I don't doubt that worn bearings could cause a buzzy shifter, I'm a little hesitant to say that's my problem. It's happened with three motors, before and after I fixed the shift rod guide, and with both stock and Berg shifters, as well as with various mounts. I might try pulling my traction bar off to see if that changes anything though, since that's still the one unbushed connection between the engine and the car. Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: Martin S. on June 04, 2019, 13:21:06 pm Have you looked at the shift rod coupler?
Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: andrewlandon67 on June 04, 2019, 16:19:43 pm Have you looked at the shift rod coupler? I haven't looked too hard at it in a while, I replaced the bushings a few years ago, but it could be my old cage is transmitting some vibrations. Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: Sam K on June 05, 2019, 15:56:19 pm I had a similar situation once in a bug and I found that the rear shifter bolt was a tiny bit too long and was coming into contact with the shift rod.
Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: Garrick Clark on June 05, 2019, 18:28:51 pm You might find its the brass bushes in the end of the gear box nose cone.
Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: Catbox on July 18, 2019, 00:53:56 am Late to the party...
But while I did this to mine in the engine compartment, you could do it on the inside of the interior under the carpet. I used HVAC Mastic sealing tape for sound deadening. While it is not meant for sound attenuation, it works well and is much cheaper than dynamat. [attachment=1] You can see how much of the roll I have left of it hanging on the input shaft of the transmission. That is now hidden under a solid stainless steel backing out of sight. It cut down on the interior noise very well. My car has a healthy exhaust note from my homemade muffler section. [attachment=2] Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: Arnoud on July 18, 2019, 05:57:39 am Have you looked at the shift rod coupler? I haven't looked too hard at it in a while, I replaced the bushings a few years ago, but it could be my old cage is transmitting some vibrations. This is THE answer:i have them in both my cars and they work perfectly: http://kaefertuer.com/schaltstangenfuehrung-und-schraube/ Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: Andrew on July 18, 2019, 19:53:26 pm When collecting parts for my 63 build I wanted to get a set of 911 Recaro replicas with hounds tooth centers. But at $1100 a piece I just couldn`t do it. So I called Scat and they did a custom set of Pro 90 seats that I`m very happy with. And for much less. (https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1789824.jpg) (https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1789823.jpg) Very nice taste there! Title: Re: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: RichardinNZ on July 18, 2019, 20:48:32 pm When collecting parts for my 63 build I wanted to get a set of 911 Recaro replicas with hounds tooth centers. But at $1100 a piece I just couldn`t do it. So I called Scat and they did a custom set of Pro 90 seats that I`m very happy with. And for much less. (https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1789824.jpg) (https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1789823.jpg) Very nice taste there! Sent from my CLT-L09 using Tapatalk Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: Andrew on July 20, 2019, 09:15:03 am CSP have Koni steering dampers. Do they have a US retailer, anyone know?
Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: baz on July 20, 2019, 09:36:58 am Late to the party... But while I did this to mine in the engine compartment, you could do it on the inside of the interior under the carpet. I used HVAC Mastic sealing tape for sound deadening. While it is not meant for sound attenuation, it works well and is much cheaper than dynamat. [attachment=1] You can see how much of the roll I have left of it hanging on the input shaft of the transmission. That is now hidden under a solid stainless steel backing out of sight. It cut down on the interior noise very well. My car has a healthy exhaust note from my homemade muffler section. [attachment=2] Any videos of this car online? I'd love to hear the exhaust as I'm thinking I might do something similar. Does it sound anything like this? https://youtu.be/a0C2i7r3yxI Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: Catbox on July 30, 2019, 23:14:03 pm That is now hidden under a solid stainless steel backing out of sight. It cut down on the interior noise very well. My car has a healthy exhaust note from my homemade muffler section. [attachment=2] Any videos of this car online? I'd love to hear the exhaust as I'm thinking I might do something similar. Does it sound anything like this? https://youtu.be/a0C2i7r3yxI My car has a deeper tone that that one. I am in the process of getting it to play nice now that I have put a 1915 into the car. I am finding out why the previous owner gave me the engine after he had, had enough of it. The engine case stud that my throttle center post attaches to is stripped out letting my center post flop about as you drive. It was just another thing and I have been pissed at my car and driving my wife's Suburban to work. I will get it up and running soon and get a video of it. I have ran this exhaust for the last decade on the car and it still looks pretty good. Although that was on a 1600 and a 1500, now that the engine is quite a bit healthier the muffler may need to be replaced. Fresh packing in there may make the neighbors happier with me as I drive off to work in the mornings.... ;D Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: Catbox on July 31, 2019, 00:03:28 am Ok.
Even though I am supposed to be hard at it, I went through my phone and found a short video of it. https://youtu.be/D4Z4LV4QMqM This was the first start up after we got things assembled and into place. The engine is a 1915 that was built for a club member a while ago. He put it in and could not get it to run well for him and threw his hands up and gave it to me. It has stock valves in the heads and the heads have been semi-hemi'd by the builder so he could use some junk pile heads. It currently runs Kadrons and it feels pretty good for a sweep the floor engine. My 16 year old did almost all of the work to install it, I only stepped in when he needed help or sense of direction. The engine was only rev'd up to maybe 3,000 in the video. Above that it has less bass and more rasp. With a stock crank I have only taken it to 4500 on the test drives. Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: andrewlandon67 on October 25, 2019, 17:04:26 pm Well, after about 10 weeks of daily driving, my '67 is tucked back in my mom's garage for the winter. I'm pleased to report that other than some occasional temper from the carbs, and some abnormally hot weather, I didn't have any problems with it, even going from days hotter than the middle of the summer to some light snow and well below freezing. Now that it's back in the garage and my Subaru is back up and running, I'm thinking of some small stuff I can do over the winter to keep occupied and keep the momentum going of making a fast VW into a (partially) civil daily driver. While doing the interior work, I found some rusty spots in the pan, under the battery and directly under the pedal assembly, so those are going to get patched in this winter for sure, and I might get brave and replace the rear bumper mounts as well.
Other than the rust repair, I'm thinking about some minor upgrades that would make the car even easier to live with and drive for a minimal cost, and two things that come to mind are a stereo of some sort and finding a way to mount one of the stock '67 reverse lights to a T bar. The stereo will probably be the most difficult as I'm looking for something that is basically a Bluetooth receiver that has power and output for a dual-range speaker to fit where the stock speaker is. I'd ideally control volume with my phone/whatever device is synched to it, but I'm not too technologically minded so I'm not sure how it would work. I've been able to find one or two companies that sell such setups on Ebay, like Woody's Custom Shop, but I'm not 100% sold on it yet. Aside from those two things, I'd like to just tighten some things up and smooth them out, like rebuilding my pedal assembly. Hopefully I'll be able to keep y'all updated on the progress, and I'm more than happy to hear suggestions! Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: Martin S. on October 25, 2019, 23:36:27 pm I recently overhauled my pedal assembly on the turbo and was very pleased with the results. The gas pedal upgrade works fantastic! And cleaning and lubing the entire assembly resulted in an easier drive with smoother brake, and clutch as well. Stay tuned and I'll post a couple pics.
Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: andrewlandon67 on October 26, 2019, 05:08:13 am I recently overhauled my pedal assembly on the turbo and was very pleased with the results. The gas pedal upgrade works fantastic! And cleaning and lubing the entire assembly resulted in an easier drive with smoother brake, and clutch as well. Stay tuned and I'll post a couple pics. Awesome, thanks for the advice! I pulled the throttle cable out and lubed it up a little while ago and it made a massive difference! My biggest issue is that my gas pedal occasionally falls off the roller and sticks at about quarter throttle, which is more than a minor irritation, so I figure if I'm messing with that I might as well take care of the other two pedals as well. Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: Martin S. on October 27, 2019, 20:37:12 pm That funky pedal problem is common on bugs, and dangerous too.
If you don’t want to do the $$ upgrade kit, you can buy stock replacement parts for the gas pedal for cheaper. Check my pics I posted over in the technical forum. Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: andrewlandon67 on October 28, 2019, 16:19:40 pm That funky pedal problem is common on bugs, and dangerous too. If you don’t want to do the $$ upgrade kit, you can buy stock replacement parts for the gas pedal for cheaper. Check my pics I posted over in the technical forum. I actually installed one of those on a customer's car a few years ago, the difference was incredible! Depending on my financial state this winter I might have to order one of those up soon, otherwise yeah, I'll just replace the stock parts with new ones. Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: Bryan67 on October 28, 2019, 17:25:37 pm The kit is a must have for me on any car now. The one thing I don`t like however, is that the gas pedal is a little bit longer then the original. Which makes the rubber cover sit a little too high at the bottom. So I will have to do something about that on my current build.
Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: andrewlandon67 on October 28, 2019, 22:48:23 pm The kit is a must have for me on any car now. The one thing I don`t like however, is that the gas pedal is a little bit longer then the original. Which makes the rubber cover sit a little too high at the bottom. So I will have to do something about that on my current build. Yeah, it's the only upgrade I've seen for the gas pedal that's actually any better than stock, and to the casual observer it doesn't stand out much either. One of those stuck on a nicely refurbished pedal assembly might make my car almost too easy to drive... Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: andrewlandon67 on December 04, 2019, 21:26:05 pm So a few weeks ago I stuck my car up on jack stands for the first time in a while, and I saw what 10-11 weeks of daily driving and parking outside had done to the already crumbling rear bumper mounts and weakened rearmost body mounts/quarter panels and I've decided that this winter is gonna be one of cutting and replacing all the spots that I've been putting off for the past 6 or so years of owning my bug. While I'm going to try to keep away from anything that'll show on the visible sections of body, I'll still have plenty to do over the next few months. I'm not sure why I've been so reluctant to do these repairs, I know that getting this taken care of will keep the rest of the car from crumbling to pieces and I know it'll be nice to have the peace of mind of having a more solid car, but there's just something about my mind that can't fathom cutting out 53 year-old steel and replacing it with new stuff in roughly the same shape. So far, the only work I've done is remove my exhaust header/muffler to pull the motor out to have some more room to work, and I got brave and checked to see if the original rear mounting bolts would come out without seizing (luckily they both did) so I still have quite a long way to go, but with the knowledge that those bolts won't need to be drilled out, I can actually think about the rest of the job at hand.
The list of stuff to be done is: Remove the motor, remove both rear fenders, replace both rear bumper mounts, pull the left quarter panel straight, cut the old body mounts off, replace them with new ones, cut out and replace the two crusty sections of floorpan, rebuild/clean up the pedal assembly, figure out the weird clutch noises, install new engine compartment seal, and finally put it all back together. Luckily I have friends with more tools/knowledge than myself when it comes to rust repair, so it really shouldn't be all that bad, but I'm still nervous about the next 6 months. The only deadline I have is my wedding in late June, which should be enough time to get it done over a few weekends, but it really NEEDS to be done as any of the plans my fiancee and I have discussed for the ceremony involve my car to some degree. Anyways, sorry for the rambling, and if anyone's interested in seeing some rust repair, I'd be happy to upload some photos to my other interior thread when we actually get started on it! Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: Martin S. on December 04, 2019, 23:43:28 pm Try to keep the old original metal and repair it, rather than replace panels with the replacement parts. Unless, of course you can find NOS replacements.
Yes, I'd like to see your pic story of your repairs. I've got plenty of ugly rust pics of my own cars heh :P Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: Neil Davies on December 05, 2019, 00:05:49 am Try to keep the old original metal and repair it, rather than replace panels with the replacement parts. Unless, of course you can find NOS replacements. Yes, I'd like to see your pic story of your repairs. I've got plenty of ugly rust pics of my own cars heh :P Yes, I buy repair panels and the trim them down as much as possible to keep as much original metal as possible. It also means that when it rusts out again in a few years, you can get another repro panel and cut it just a little big bigger. Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: andrewlandon67 on December 05, 2019, 16:40:31 pm Try to keep the old original metal and repair it, rather than replace panels with the replacement parts. Unless, of course you can find NOS replacements. Yes, I'd like to see your pic story of your repairs. I've got plenty of ugly rust pics of my own cars heh :P As much as I'd like to just try and repair the original panels, they're way too far gone to be worth the effort at this point... When I get some pictures up, you'll see what I mean. The bumper mounts might be more easily fixable while keeping the OG metal in place behind them, but we'll see what it looks like once I get the fenders off. Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: andrewlandon67 on February 01, 2023, 22:39:04 pm Well, the rust hasn't gotten much worse over the years, but my drive to get it all repaired certainly has. The battery tray has been fixed, but that's all I've been able to do on that front. I know it's an old topic, but it's still relevant as I've been hard at work with getting the car to where I truly want it to be.
Last summer I pulled the trigger on a few big jobs that had been really wearing on my psyche for a while. Several years ago, I replaced the crusty original beam with one that I'd had a local guy narrow two inches and fit adjusters to. I didn't look into replacing the inner bushings or bearings at all, I just wanted to be able to lower my car in accordance with my personal tastes at the time. The guy who did the narrowing of the beam and leaves did a good enough job of welding it, but for some reason didn't include the steering stop or the damper bracket. Between the beam and drop spindles, I ran my car around extremely low for about a year or so before I got sick of smacking my poor car's nose on every damn bump in town. Once I'd adjusted it to a more reasonable height, and re-indexed the rear torsion bars, I had a car that missed most bumps but with no front sway bar and 175/55 front radials it didn't handle particularly well either. It did drive straight however, and was more stable in crosswinds than I expected, so I ran it like that for a few years, only adding a 3/4" sway bar in 2020. I only drove the car a handful of times in 2021, but each time I felt less and less confident in the car's stability to the point where I raised it up and reset the camber and toe settings, but that wasn't enough. A worn tie rod end on the drivers side provided some insight, but the real culprit was a worn lower beam bushing allowing the lower left trailing arm to move back and forth by about a quarter of an inch. After several months of digging, I finally decided a new beam would be a good starting point, keeping the two-inch narrowed, adjustable factors but with new bushings and bearings, plus steering stops and a damper mount to boot. It was then that I found a deal on Koni Special-D Adjustable shocks on Summit Racing's site, all four corners for less than $400, so naturally I had to get those ordered, since I was on cheap EMPI fronts and no-name rears that had been on the car since at least 1989. After some serious work getting the whole car's front end replaced, I spent about a day getting everything aligned and adjusted properly, though to get the correct ride height took a few separate attempts but the old bug was driving better than it had since I'd been driving it. The tires on the other hand were looking rougher than ever. Due to the misalignment and play in the front end, the front tires had worn extremely unevenly and were nearly down to the wear bars, so I made some puppy-dog eyes at the wife and ordered a set of Sumitomo HTR A/S PO3s in 175/65 front and 195/65 rear and had a local shop mount them up, only mangling one of my BRMs in the process (which they still haven't come through on fixing) but with all this work and money, over the course of 6 months my car went from driving like a spooked wheelbarrow to taking rail crossings better than my Saab, even at 50+ mph. Next up, I'm really hoping to have time to get a CB Camber Compensator mounted, though the HD side plate on my transaxle might need some massaging I'd really like the rear to be a little tamer around corners to match the incredibly solid feel of the new front end. Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: ibg on February 03, 2023, 02:40:48 am to get around the side cover issue with the camber comp, I once saw one that attached to the frame horns rather than the gearbox.
A sorted beetle is still a quite good handling car :) Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: Iryanu on July 10, 2023, 20:40:37 pm Dynamat do a shed load of pre cut kits for the bug. I fitted the lot which cut down alot of noise. Doors / inside rear quarters / wheel arches and also the rear firewall and roof. All done. The kick panels under the rear seat squab do kill alot of sound, as does a full rear seat with parcel shelf. The c-pillar pillows kill alot too.
[attachment=1] [attachment=2] doors close with an incredible thunk now. (thanks to probably 4kg of shart added) [attachment=3] (before the final big piece on the firewall itself was fitted) Not great for weight saving, but the noise was driving me utterly insane! Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: Bryan67 on July 11, 2023, 05:58:04 am Did you buy that direct from Dynamat?
Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: Iryanu on July 11, 2023, 12:33:54 pm Did you buy that direct from Dynamat? Yes sir https://www.dynamatstore.com/index.php?l=search_list&s[title]=Y&s[short_desc]=Y&s[full_desc]=Y&s[sku]=Y&s[match]=all&s[cid]=0&s[search]=beetle Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: Bryan67 on July 12, 2023, 01:30:13 am Did you buy that direct from Dynamat? Yes sir https://www.dynamatstore.com/index.php?l=search_list&s[title]=Y&s[short_desc]=Y&s[full_desc]=Y&s[sku]=Y&s[match]=all&s[cid]=0&s[search]=beetle Thanks for that. Pricey for sure, But you get what you pay for. Title: Re: Civilizing a Cal Looker Post by: andrewlandon67 on May 08, 2024, 22:58:23 pm In preparation for a trip I'm taking later this month, I spent a weekend working on getting my '67 to be a nicer place to sit, starting with some engine compartment cleanup and insulation.
(https://i.imgur.com/ynfcAiF.jpg) The Gene Berg breather is a nice piece and it's very convenient to top off the oil compared to the stock filler, plus it's less in the way of getting to the back of the fan shroud. The insulation is also nice, between hiding wires and giving the spiky little bastard tabs something to do, my engine bay is almost a nice place to work. (https://i.imgur.com/IlmEhIg.jpg) The new Sidewinder from A-1 is a good compromise between the crisp bark of the cheap Empi "phat boy" muffler I'd been running for the last year or so and the duller muffled thump of the older dynamax I'd had on for years, plus getting rid of the traction bar has made a significant difference in cabin noise and after this summer I'll be able to get some properly nice 1 5/8" heater boxes for it. Next week is working on the interior, replacing some old carpet up front and adding some sound deadening. |