The Cal-look Lounge

What do you Guys think?

Is Nitrous part of the Cal-Look or is it a No No...

Frank

Yeah... In my opinion it is a Yes Yes.....

Good!!! ;D ;D ;D

Frank

In my point of view mostly everthing that gets your car GOes fast with typ-1 of course  ;D

I find it a bit hard to discuss about what is ALLOWED or not !?
Yes you are in!
No no you not ! Those wheelbolts are chromed...

Hey make your ride that it is nice to you and your type of cal-look.Everywhere are people that think different !

Maybe you coantact HIM for cal-look RULE questions   ;)

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Best greetings,Felix

Guess that Thing could use a little Nitrous to make it go... ;D ;D ;D

Frank

if its good enough for Dave Mason............. ;)

Guess it should be fine for my Car too then.... ;D ;D ;D

Frank

Two Words: Dave Mason!  ;D

LOL Jick beat me to it... I guess I should have read all the replies before I spouted off!

Funny, everybody thinks of the same Person... ;D ;D ;D

I have to say that when I build my Car back in 1994 it was his Ride that inspired me the Most!!!

Frank

Well it's easy for me to say it 'cuz I've know Dave for over 25 years... I'm impressed that he's know in Europe.

Well, Yes he is known overhere in Europe, and famous for his Black "StreetWarrior"!!!

I've met Dave Mason at the Bug-In 32 and saw his Ride for the time in real then...sadly he damaged his motor while Racing!!!

Frank

That car is scary fast!

He was running and the Drag Day last month. I think he had a couple of issues in his first runs. I never got back to him to see if he got it sorted out.

Here is a picture of him in action at the Drag Day...

Frank

I think of Dave Mason too, but I also think of Mike Smith and his fire breathing 1776!!

yeah....seeing Dave's car in Volksword maybe 15 years ago??  really got me into the horsepower side of things.

i'm sure thats true of so many of us dudes in the UK into the look now.

One of the first to use nitrous was Mike Smith....back in the 70's......Dave Folts had a oval N2O car in one of the mags at that time too.....Marwin Miller is the key figure.....The Red Sled was running N2O too and the best looking Cal-lloker, Dave Perkins mid nine street sweeper used N2O too. I myself..............................yeah i got a helthy dose myself of N2O from my days at the local racetracks with no entry fees ;D

This One... ;)

Frank

YES!!!

I really do like this Red Rocket, the Feature said it was doing 11.82 on the 1/4....impressive for the litte 1776cc

Frank

Is this the same Mike Smith that had the white 67 racecar back in the days?

Yes, I think so...

Frank

Mike's white 67 had a N2O assisted motor back in the 70's..........won lot's of money back in the day at the very local dragstrip :)

Gotta love that Mason car, a mean machine!

Me too is playing around with nitrous and this is my second season with the bottle in my car. First season was more a test season and I experienced problems due to electrical issues and a bad performing Optima Redtop battery. Last winter I mounted a separate fuel pump and a separate fuel line for the nitrous and a new Optima Bluetop battery and everything works well.

Frank, how much are you going to shoot?

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BeetleBug

Hey Frank, do you have more pictures of Mike's red car? Though looking ride..

Mike's white...foto by Kim Riishede  8)

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From:

http://griebel.blogspot.com

Don't know yet about 75-100 probably, once everything works perfect...

Frank

I got that picture out of on Old Super VW Magazine, i'll PM you the Info about the Magazine...

Frank

That sounds like great fun! Are you going to use a controller for those shots?

BB

Yes, one of NOS's Digital nitrous controllers...

Frank

Here's a picture of the NOS Controller....

Frank

Here it is in the car...

Frank

Here is my my Fuel Set-up for the Nitrous...

Frank

This is something I'm working on...

It's an adapter for the NOS activation Button that goes on the Empi GT Wheel, as i don't want to drill holes in my Sterring Wheel!!!

It'll be hold on the Wheel by two little lips on the adapterplate and one little screw that will go thrue the original Opening in the spoke of the Wheel...

Frank

That's a slick piece to put the NOS button on the wheel.

Thanxs Rick... ;)

Frank

Looking good Frank!

Me too have the NOS button on the steering using a self made adapter quite similar to yours (thanks to Tekken for the nice looking piece) I liked the idea to have a button instead of a trigger down at the pedal or around one of the carbs. I have the flat4 copy of your steering wheel.

I installed the solenoids on top of the fan house and I have mounted the nozzles on the inside of the manifolds using flexible wires from the solenoids. I drilled the jets on the nozzle side to oversize (1mm) and I change jets on the solenoid side instead. This way I only change 2 jets instead of 8 down at the manifolds.

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BeetleBug

Hi Beetlebug,

Do have more Pics of your NOS Set-up?

What Nozzles are you Using there, or are they simply Polished?

Frank

Hi,

I`m crazy but I`m not that crazy that I would polish my nitrous nozzles  :)

They are the annular discharge stainless straight spray ones from NOS. I do have some more picks, I just need to find them. Is it anything special you want to see a picture of? It is a very simple set up but it works.

On this year engine my manifolds are heavily welded but there is still room for them on the inside.

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BeetleBug

Any More Opinions on this subject... ;)

Please Post Pictures of your Own Nitrous Installations... ;)

Frank

Shit, I totally forgot. I will see if I can find some of mine set up. You can aslo check out Roars set up here; www.nitrousbeetle.com His engine is really nice and pushes his race car over the line in 10 something. If I remember correctly it dynoed 253 without the NOS and then he added around 135hp. You can find all the info you need on his page.

Look forward to the first time you push the button.. I did the happy happy dance outside first time I pushed it and people thought I was loosing it  :)

Thanxs for the Infos Dude,

Looks there is little interest on the Subject.....exept for us... ;)

Frank

back in 1995 I put my line-loc button on a similar piece of ally mounted on my steering wheel in the correct location for my right hand thumb - it works really well. a lot of non-VW people ask what it's for, and the easiest way to explain is to show them... ;) 

hee frank

i am also in the process off getting a complete system and i am looking what to buy at this moment my toughts where the wet system and the didital processor also, but i see you are also running a complete extra fuel system is that correct ??

Yes it is, and probably the only way to do correctly... ;)

Frank

First year I used one pump, one 8mm line, 8mm outlet from the original tank and two regulators - worked fine and nothing bad happened. But I only had a 40hp shot. I did not retard the ignition and I did have a fuel pressure drop. Lucky? Perhaps. I did install two pumps and one extra 10mm line the year after - no problems. If you have a effective pump, big enough fuel line I do believe you can get away with a singel system up to a certain level.

I used Holley blue and their crappy regulators but I will never buy that pump and regulator again. Noisy and cheap looking both the pump and the regulator. I do like their new black series though but have not tried them.

I would love to see a VW with a real professional system with 2,3 or 4 stages and one hell of a shot.

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BB

nice one,! lob it on 8) 8)

Nitrous...it is fun to work with as long as you stay on safe side.

I also use a separate gas tank for the Nitrous and I run BOSCH fuel pump for the injection with regulater(with fuel return bypass).

Many said keep the fuel pressure as 6psi for nitrous....or so but since I use injection pump, I run with 47psi !!!(Fuel jet size #16)  and my current Nitrous jet size in #28

Also use MSD multi retard system, so every time I squeeze it timing will retard 4degree.

So far, no problem on this set up. ::)

Nitrous is IT. Do it the man way, (NO TIMING RETARD, NO FULL THROTTLE MICRO SWITCH,) just like Mason, grab a handfull and GO

Thanxs for the Pictures... ;)

How much Nitrous do you inject???

Would love to see Dave Mason around here on the Lounge ;)!!!

Frank

I think it's a #24 or 22 jet in the nitrous and a #26 on the fuel. I've got a Holley fuel pump and a separate -8 hard line for the nitrous. It's been a long time since I've messed with the jetting, but it runs strong. I've been bugging Dave to come on here, I usually see him on Saturday mornings at Cars and Coffe in Irvine. I'll bug him again. Glenn

Sounds great...Get him overhere!!! ;)

What is your best ET so far..???

Frank

I like your attitude - look at pauter-tom here on the Lounge (http://www.bugwahn-dragracing.de/ ). If I remember correctly he used a 200hp shot without any kind of retard or controller. That got to be on hell of kick!

Here is a question to you; why do you change jets at the nozzle end forcing you to change more jets compared to what you could get away with if you changed it at the solenoid end. By doing this you only change two jets and it takes 10 minutes. I drilled my nozzle side jets to a oversize (1,5mm) and used one 34 and one 32 jet.

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BB

I didn't know you were squeezing!

I didn't think that he even had a cornputer...  ;D ;D ;D

Go get Dave Mason a Computer then... ;) ;D ;D

Frank

I did not get something there, you running 47 PSI Fuel pressure on the Nitrous Side???

Frank

Fuel for the Nitrous come from separate fuel tank @ 47psi,  Nitrous pressure @950  ::)
Ntrous jet#28 Fuel#16

Squeeze on 3rd and 4th only made 12.17@112.6mph

Frank,its just like on an EFI car ;)  and a more consistent fuel pressure is the bonus :D

cheers richie,uk

I took this pictures at Euro bug in. I forget the name of the owner of the car and I'm sure he's on the lounge (Sorry  ::)), but that's the one which receive the price for best cal look. A VW from the DFL.
Take a look how the Nos buttons is mounted.

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it"s tobi ............... j-f  ;)

I'm guessing the button is for the line lock, I don't think Tobi is running a nitrous oxide system?

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I would love to see a VW with a real professional system with 2,3 or 4 stages and one hell of a shot.

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BB
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Hey Dood, how's this for a Dual stage......... ;)

It's not configured this way any longer... making a bunch of changes this year.

Did you use 4 jets, or only 2?

With this setup (4 jets) , you have 128 hp shot and 5.34 nitrous/fuel ratio and I would thought your top speed should be higher? (calulations are based on fuel with spec. gravity of 0.740)

Hi J-F,

it´s my car, as Fabian already stated. The button is for the start rpm limiter (Mallory HyFire VI box). I don´t run a NOS system on my car.
Bye,

Tobi

4 jets not 2.  Well, Should...and hope it goes more fast...but that's what I got at last race. Should strat squeeze it from 2nd gear.
Still testing.

Is there something wrong with your first gear? ;D  (I like to shoot from the start)

http://cal-look.no/Nitrousbeetle.asf

In this run I used 24/24 1000/6.5

That was a wild launch... ;) ;D ;D

Frank

Frank, did you receive the e-mail I sent you?

E-Mail sent

Very Cool Dom...!!!

Thank You!!!

Frank

Here is some pictures of my nitrous system;

I have my nozzles mounted on the inside of the manifold and I used 1/8" nylon lines that runs on the backside of the fan house. Instead of jetting the system at the nozzle end I have a single jet metering at the distribution block. A pair of 36 jets equal to four 18 jets and 56 jets to four 28 etc etc. I used 40 fuel and 36 nos with 7 psi fuel pressure and 900 psi NOS pressure = 40hp.

Changing the jets takes two minutes.

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BB

Some more;

Thanxs for the Pictures BB... ;)

Frank