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Just wondering i have a 67 1500 with factory disks up front and sloping headlightls but american spec bumpers wich are original is this a possible spec? As i would like upright wings was there ever factory 1500 four stud 67's like this? Help much appreciated Alex

don't think so. as the 4 lug disc setup came only in europe. all americans even the 1500's had wide 5 drums. but that doesn't mean you can build one. there was never a 2.3l type 1 engine either...  ;)

has it got the upright supports above the bumper irons?

Yeah the front valance has the holes for the overider bars same with back wings. Alex

 Yes...


  Yesterday I went to check out an original European '67 1300 with as factory options upright headlights and the american spec bumpers. So I assume that a European 1500 could have had the same options...

 Pictures of the car on the bottom of this ad: http://link.marktplaats.nl/176882689
 Could take it with me for € 1250,- but it showed rust and rot in a lot of nasty places... (around the windows, roof edge, channels, doors, decklid etc.)
 So I haven't bought it...

Thanks i just want my 67 to look correct, after slighlty ruining it by adding a 66 bootlid and wide trim when decided to go for resto look.  ::) Now im correcting these mistakes got a 67 lid still looking for valance mind but thanks for all the help as much info people can offer the better. Alex

hey Jordy looked at the pics of the white beetle and it has indeed american bmpers, but in the picture it looks like it has not the supports or the extra holes for the brackets that come from the top of the bumpers... might be aftermarket or added later.

Although we call them US-spec bumpers it's a bit of a mis-name - you could order the bumpers on any Beetle - USA is the only place I believe to have them as standard though. So yes, it's perfectly feasable that a UK '67 1500 would have these bumpers from the factory.

Is this possible with up-right wings though sorry for all the questions just like my 4stud  ;D

The European Beetle VW1500 had a 1500 Single Port,Full Bumpers,Disc Brakes up front,4 Lug Wheels,Lock Steering with Ing Key on the Colum, Early Headlights,Door Handle on Passenger Side had no Key Hole.

The European Beetle VW1300 had a 1300 Single Port,Euro Bumpers,5 Lug Wheels,Lock Steering with Ing Key on the Colum, Early Headlights,Door Handle on Passenger Side had no Key Hole.

A friend of mine has a '59 with as original option (birth certificate confirms it) US bumpers and he doesn't have the extra supports either...

 The big difference is that in the US those bumpers were needed for safety reasons, here in Europe it was just for the looks, so I doubt if European VWs had the extra supports as well... (but I could be wrong...)

Mine is you have stated but with key in the dash rather than on the colum but birth cetificate states year of manufacture 67  ???

It's not as black and white as Shubee stated. There are differences between models of European Countries. For example: Swedish bugs always had the ign lock. on the steering column while Dutch bugs were equipped with the ign. contact switch in the dash... (but that's just one difference)

Does this men then that a 67 4stud 1500 could actually have been fitted with uprights i just dont want to change everything and the car to look wrong thats all and like my wheels to much to change them for fives at the min.

My '67 was a US spec car sold in Germany, built 10-25-66 and it has that weird steering lock ignition.

I wasn't there in the 60ies so I don't know for sure, but I think it was perfectly possible. Take a look at this page http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/mcodest1.php and look at M611. I think that's the option code for upright headlamps?

Don't worry too much. If you like it, just do it... Don't worry about what the rest thinks. I think it looks perfect...

Here's a European '67 1500 converted to upright headlamps...
(http://www.cal-look.nl/gallery/albums/userpics/10005/background.jpg)

Thanks looks a great car i think i may just put uprigts on and keep the sprints thanks Alex

I don't know... I mailed my VIN of to VW AG in the early 90's and they sent me a letter saying it was a US model that was sold in Germany. I know the first owner was a doctor, maybe he was on holiday in Europe and picked it up? I dunno. The next owner basically just sat on car and put some 356-style chrome 5.5" wheels and a few other gadgets on it (009, Euro taillights, custom carpet and seat covers), and then I got the car in '86

actually, there are no markings on lock cylinder. This car also has weird 3-point front belts (do not retract) and had matching lap belts for rear seat I wish I knew more about it

Quite a few cars over here have the static 'belts but all sorts of makes - I've never had two beetles with the same belts in! My '70 has TWO-point diagonal only - no lap strap! :o :D

Hey Jim,
 The locking ignition was only a option. not a standard item, also so was the rear seat belts. (hard item to come across). ;) most cars have the plastic phillips plugs in there place.

The VW locking ignition had the position markings on them. yours might have been replaced at one time or another.(repop). check if your keys are "all in one". The correct 67 US key mark for "K"..

In regards to the over the shoulder seat belt. That was correct also for a  67..however I not to sure If US Gov Spec required them prior to delivery?

Anyways, again when not applied there was a plastic phillips plug in it's place. most after market interior guys cover them up, along with the seat belt locks on the lower pillar.

A little off topic but still on '67's... how rare is a '67 1200 ragtop?

Hi Art....yeah my car has the same key for doors and ignition...used to be a "VW" key, but it broke in my pocket years ago. I got a blank "K" at VW back then, but does not have emblem cast in anymore.
The lap belts are hard to come by? Great.... I gave them to a girlfriend years ago for her '67 vert...  ::)

Yeah, the rear belts are hard to come by..but I heard that the rear vert might be a little shorter then the sedans. because the seats are.
 ( that was your X- right? ) ;)  Anyways, I guess back in 67 saftey was a option.. :D

cool to see my '67 pop up over here  ;)

mine's a 1500 with a semi-long box, 4 lug discs, round key hole on the handle of course but no passenger door key, ignition in the dash next to the ashtray, but it didn't come with full bumpers (though i do own a pair of '67 towel rail bumpers)  ;D

Thanks guys for all the pointers i will post pics when its finished to show you what i decided on. Thanks again Alex

Very! ;D

Mark, I don't know about '64-'66, but for some reason, the 1200 base model (painted handles, partial headliner, etc) was offered with the Golde ragtop in 1967! Kurt from Belgium has one (ruby red on original BRMs), there were a couple on the Channel Islands and that's about all I know of. :o

Mark Preisendorf, in the late 80's had a '67 standard with sliding cloth sunroof.

When we were working on AssHull's '67 last weekend we noticed that it didn't have a hole on the dash (below and on the left of the radio delete plate) for the emergency flasher. I don't think I've seen another car without that... is it possible it was a european export ??? I thought they all had emergency flashers??
(http://cal-look.no/lounge/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5626.0;attach=17807;image)

And an old shot of my dash for comparison...

Make sure you take those Tarpaper pieces out of the inside of the Doors  they are known for holding traping water and the Doors rust from the inside out.

That shot was from a few weeks ago, the tar boards are already gone ;)

so there is a lot to learn about those beauties... so i keep learning every day.

Zach, the emergency flasherlights were not standard on european models i believe.

you're right nicolas  no european

Nothing rusts in Arizona.  You have to have water for things to rust....

Cool! Thanks for the info :) Is there any other way to tell if it was in fact a euro car? It didn't have a steering column lock, the front fenders have upright headlights but they are aftermarket, and I think only one of the rears is original- anyway it has holes for US spec bumpers if it means anything by now ::) Thanks again! :)

possibly canadian Zach.

My German spec 1300 67 had 4 lug drums, no flasher, the ignition built into the column with no writing on the cylinder bezel.  It had sloping headlamps and the front apron and original rear fenders were stamped for the overrider bumpers.

His car was also 4 lug, disc brakes up front, but who knows if it was originally sold that way. Someone had also done us a favor and replaced the dual circut master with a single circut ??? Weird stuff...

Those drums were replaced then Dave, The only 4-lug '67 was the European 1500 model, which was disc front.

I briefly owned a '67 that I assumed was some kind of european export. It was four lug with disc brakes in the front and had sloping fenders that appeared to be original. There was no keyhole on the passenger's side door handle, it had no evidnece of holes for american spec bumpers or an emegency flasher switch either. The original engine was long gone by the time I got it, though.

where is the hazard switch positioned on a '67? looked at a few at the weekend and some have them just under the headlight switch and others had it by the ashtray.

p.s. anyone seen a '67 only cigarette lighter?picked a nos one up at EBI, i'll post a pic later ;D

Yup, that sounds European, 1500 model with discs up front.

In the USA there was one 1967 Bug - and it was as Shubee specified earlier in this thread.

In Europe there were three models offered:
The 1192cc 'Standard' model which was a basic car with five lug drums, 6 volt electrics, sloping headlights  and silver painted parts such as door handles and vent window frames. This model was the last VW Bug which could be factory ordered with a Golde ragtop.

Then there was the 1293cc 'Deluxe' this was also on five lug drums, had 6 volt eletrics, sloping headlights and Euro bumpers. You could order 'US Spec' or Export, to give them there correct title, bumpers as an optional extra at the time of ordering the car. My own '67 is a 1300 Deluxe.

Finally, there was the 1493cc 'New Hot 1500' which was the same as the 1300 Deluxe except for the engine, gearbox internals and four lug rear drum and front disc brakes. Again this had sloping headlights and 6 volt electrics.

No European '67s came with upright headlights - this was a US market feature.   

My first '67, which is the one I still have was built on October 11, 1966. In addition to all the other "early '67" stuff, it didn't have reverse lights (but it was wired for them), it had white window knobs and chrome radio knobs.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but radios were dealer installed. That is odd about the white knobs... mine was built in September and it has all black knobs.

sorry but i thought the 1500 67 had 12V electrics... but what do i know i own a type3 (there 67 had 12V for the first time and i always heard 67 beeltes had the same on the 1500) hope this confuses the topic not more.

67 is a strange year, I know there is a 67 only starter motor which is 12v for a 6v ring gear ;D

damn i needed one of those to get the engine with the 6V flywheel  for EBI2 running!! why do you tell this now!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D still might want one  :-\

On Radios The ones that Came With the Black 67 Rubber Knobs were Factory Installed,this goes for all Models Type 1,2,3, the Radio's with the Chrome Plastic Knobs Were Dealer Installed and were also sold over the Parts Counter,

Haven't heard this one before. US '67 had the std 12v flywheel with a 200mm clutch. Took a SR15X starter.

Thats a Bosch SR 13 X  is a 12Volt starter with a 6Volt  gear hard to find these days
                       Bosch SR 11 X   is a 6 Volt  180 mm Flywheel and Clutch
                       Bosch SR 15 X   is a 12 Volt 200 mm clutch and Pressure Plate
                       Bosch SR 17 X   is a 12 Volt 200mm self supporting Starter (Auto)
                       Bosch SR 14 X   is a 6 Volt Self Supporting Starter  6 Volt 180mm and  6 Volt 200mm Bus Flywheel also hard to find.

Im not sure who asked about this above, but Euro spec 67s did not come with the emergency flasher switch.

I looked and looked for a 67 only lighter and couldn't find one........................ so I made my own. How do ya like it?
(http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/337305.jpg)

Regarding the passenger door handle... Did all euro spec 67s have no key hole on the passenger door handle? I always thought it was just on the standard models, ie: no chrome models. Would a deluxe model (chrome trim & such) Euro 67 have a passenger key hole???

67 Lighters did not have that silver spacer behind the Knob the knob fit flush with the Dash

As far as I know, no pre-'68 Beetle had a key-locking passenger door handle.

this is mine ;D

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b392/benssp/DSCF7549.jpg)
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b392/benssp/DSCF7550.jpg)
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b392/benssp/DSCF7551.jpg)

The European 6v 1500 Beetle had a 12v-style 130-tooth flywheel, which meant a 6v starter with 12v-style pinion gear. 

In my copy of factory records, there is the following statement: "A few six-volt VW 1300 models made it to the US market. Some VW 1500s (type 1) also came in with six-volt electrical systems. These cars continued to carry the old-style front fenders and headlamps".

There are literally hundreds of new features listed in these records for the ’67 model year. But they also make clear that there are no hard and fast rules as the factory regularly used whatever parts were available to hand.

yeah, the 6v starter in my 1500 '67 is really nice. and i won't need to swap it when i install my 1915 engine ;D

Mine does.   ???

I think he was referring to Euro spec cars. My '67 (117117279) had a locker on there, too.

mine doesn't  ;)

aw hell, I can't keep track anymore.