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things wrong with EBI2

1) Too short
2) The rain on saturday
3) Miss Bugin was already spoken for !

may i add:

-one hour queues to get in during peak hours when there's 2 people at the gates

-reserved camping and show n shine spots that weren't reserved at all.

-ridiculous sanitary facilities, you could count the showers on one hand.

-where's the love for the show n shine? it looked like a parking area with only 3 club stand ??? DFL, DKT and ours.

-who invented the ridiculous idea of VIP-ing this and that?? there was literally f*ck to do. you needed a VIP pass to see the cars, to meet people, to have a drink.

-theft at the camping site

-what's up with all the french commentary, i thought we were at the european bug-in.

I couldn't attend  >:( :( :( :-\

Diederick

having read your post i will agree with the queues and the VIP Passes, however i think they have been misunderstood.

The CSP one was for access to there own hostpialltiy tent, which is there own thing.
the Gasser Garage one didnt work out how it was intended it was meant to be a Pit Pass for drivers and there crews it was not meant to be a socal gathering trackside, however it did get to this at some points and Im sure you will have seen both Kobus and myself putting up tape and moving people with Gasser Garage passes out of the area. One real problem was to get your timing ticket was to walk up the side of the track which in any normal drag event wouldnt happen.

the gasser garage cars were available for access at all other times when racing was not ongoing and this was for Safety Reasons only. On the Friday night there was numerous people milling around the cars and the lounge meet...... and on saturday morning we spent 1 hour cleaning the track from empty and broken bottles, bottle tops, papers, etc.

Your other points i cant comment on the showers or the camping but Im sure the EBI crew will make further improvments for next year.

I did speak with some of the DFL guys and did have an understanding for the way the passes seemed to be misunderstood both by the event marshalls and the paying show goers.

"who invented the ridiculous idea of VIP-ing this and that?? there was literally f*ck to do. you needed a VIP pass to see the cars, to meet people, to have a drink."

I heard about it and could not believe this .
Please teach the track crew about doing it right , you can not put glue on a track during the day .......
I think there will be less race cars each year . Or are you planning to do a Gasser only event ?
Udo

Perhaps so much of the visitor's expects too much of the bugin.
Some participants say this and that is not ok.

See it as aircooled-meeting - and you are not so disappointed.

Very well put dude - as you say I think some people expect too much from this event, its only in its second year and I think that Kobus, fred and mike did an AWSOME job  :)

Things like Queues and Theft are all a part of ANY large Festival/event - with that many people in one place you are bound to get some idiots  ::) I am not defending this behaviour in anyway and I would be PISSED if anything of mine went missing - Just be thankfull you didn't find a LOCAL DRUNK in your bed at 4am on sunday like I did  :D :D :D

I think we need to give Kobus and the crew some love for their efforts - think of it like this : this year was even better than last year so next year should be UNF$^KINBELIEVABLE ;) :) No pressure guys  :)

Also just my 2 cents  ;) :)

I got myself a vip card in a strange way but how do you normally get a vip pass?  Pay more, ...?

The track crew, which I was part of do know how to do things right! I am the novice of the lot the other guys have massive amounts of experience, 1 of them being international race director of Santa Pod for 12 years, Another being the starter at Santa pod for 10 years, another track and fire crew of Avon park for 15 years and last but not least One of then ran Custom Car Street eliminator for years and runs the ultimate power drag racing series which is all top fule high level stuff!
So I am sure they can prep a track better than most especially for what are slow cars in their opinion, these guys are used to V8's and 7 second street cars!
As for the glue it was a waterbased product and can and was applied to the track without problems, I think these guys know what they are doing and are very capable of running events!

As for the show in general 1 word Awesome!

I think prople are just being a little fussy, you cannnot start to comprehend the work that goes into putting on a show like this! I think Kobus and everyone involved did a fantastic job. You try and put a show of that scale on! You would then realise how hard it is and quit your whinging!

Rob.

Holy crap was that the UK bus with the Turbo motor?

F*ck, what happened?

Just what I was thinking - where did that happen ???

"Was" being the operative word...

Happened on a wet roundabout about 10 mins from the port at Dunkirk.

I don't have had any problems with the organization. Maybe the camp site is not very comfortable. Try to sleep in a tent that is bend from 45°. Even after some Chimay beers.  :D :D
Prices of the event seems correct regarding the quality of things.
I also received a vip pass that I normally shouldn't have. It gave me opportunities to live the show from the inside. But I will not frustrated to don't have one. I understand that it is necessary to put limits to prevent accidents on the track and if sponsor will makes some private party for good customers, it is normal.


 ;) ;)

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What's happens to this Bus  :o :o

That's a very sad news!

don't really know hat happen to the bus and his driver
nobody was hurt thats all I know

I just read on another forum that's accident happens in a roundabout? There was diesel spread on the street and the driver loosed control.  ???
I don't know if it is true.

NO YOU DONT,BUT YOU ALREADY ACUSED HIM OF DRUNK DRIVING TWICE,I sorry but you are an arsehole for this >:( >:( ???

This happened 200kms away from the track on monday afternoon,when just outside Dunkirque ferry port on a wet road covered in diesel fuel,its sad enough that this happened but for people to put misinformation and lies is really SICK,you need to remove your post,appologise and go away

Richie webb

For th rest,Chris and his passenger were ok,just a little bruised but nothing serious

Well said...

I don't have the full story of what happened to the bus but from what I know it happened near the port leaving France on the way home and was caused by wet roads, some diesel and a curb which is the reason for the damaged wheel (/s). There were two people in it when it happened and both are fine though they were obviously shaken up. As I understand it the Bus will live again and having met its owner a couple of times I have no reason to believe it won't. Everything that went into making such a good van in the first place (it's without a doubt amongst the best in the UK) will serve it well for the 'tidy up'. You don't get a bus that good without some determination. A horrible end to the weekend in one way but another way of looking at it is it could have been far worse. All the best to those involved in the accident and good luck to the owner getting it straightened out again.

In short, it's an older vehicle that, as we all know is much more difficult to drive than a modern car and he was unfortunate enough to have been caught out by difficult driving conditions.

 :(

Amen!! :'(

Well put..... glad everyone is ok even if the van ain't  :(

mark here's one for you  ;)

I am obviously one of the guys that misunderstood the VIP pass system.

I actually had a drag race ticket as well, but never used it as I was not able to bring my car. I also had a ticket that CSP sent me, and when arriving to EBI, I received a VIP pass from the crew at the gate, but with no explanation of what kind of limits this pass might have. 

I did walk around in the gasser garage area and other “limited” areas having a great time the whole weekend, and no one did tell me if I was “trespassing” or not. If I did, I do apologize.

Anyway, I had a great time, and would like to send a big thank you to everyone involved with a super show, the guys behind it, and all of the people attending.

I will definately be back next year!!

Jøran

A major bummer about Chris's split. Very upsetting. A great bloke and such a sweet van. :'(


The weekend was great fun and something to savour seeing cal look/race car/gasser legends.

We were pitted beside the race control tower and wondered why the original designers of the race circuit didn't make the entrance section a 1/4 of a mile with a run off.
What were they thinking of.  :P :)

here're 2 mores  ;)

This is a "Things wrong"topic Fabian.
And with Miss Big-in is nothing wrong,I think.

Agreed!!! There should be a proper contest next year! ;D

i know jeepee but dkk fred ask for pictures of monica
 ;)

ritchie I say that I didn't know what really happen
i am apologize to have say something wrong but I was shocked by some driver inside the show
I saw a lot of people drive hard in the show and shine area for example a guy in split bus miss to hurt a friend's baywindow for fews centimeter I was affraid for kid who play around when guys loose control of his bus near the swap
One day someone will be hurt
sorry again

What was wrong with EBI?

Toilets, but they are always horrible.

its only 3 days!

My hotel 30 km away, thus i couldn't drink.

No problem,maybe someone open a new topic about Monica?
And ofcourse I will follow that. ;)

this is a message from chris himself with reference to his van crash

hi,slowing down for a roundabout the van went sideways and hit the kerb
which caused the roll,nobody hurt is the main thing,it will ride again
ta chris

All in All I Think Kobus And Crew Should Be Thanked Without them and Gasser Garage (Russell), CSP (Gunter),and Flat 4,FAT,Rich Kimball, there would Be no Bug In. EBI 1 went well with a few problems, EBI 2 also had some Problems but Understand this is a learning Process Each Bug In Will Get Bigger And There will always Be Some Problems. When Vic Wilson Put on the 1st Bug In at OCIR in 1968 It had its Problems to but 40 years Later they are still not Perfect But It is a Place Where all The VW Family Can Get Together and Have Fun and Share Ideas and show and Race There Cars With Other VW Gearheads. I Think We Owe Kobus And EBI Crew A Big Thank You Without them there would be no EBI  Also A Big Thanks To Gasser Garage,CSP,Flat 4,FAT,for putting on a Good Show. Just My 2 Cents   Being into VW's as long as I have putting on any event of this size is a Major Task for anyone, I would like to Thank Everyone envolved in putting on  EBI event and am looking forward to EBI 3  Being in the USA  I Have not been able to Attend but I am Planning for EBI 3

keep going chris and sorry for your bus

Theft. I got stolen my personal Gassergarage flag which was the last Russel had and was given to me as a gift. I was stupid enough to bring it to the event and hang it so...
Other than that, GREAT event.

No worries, my EBI 1 flag was stolen too...  ::)

Udo,

Sorry to say but your quote about "you can not put glue on a track during the day" is incorrect.  After the oil down on friday there was no choice when the oil had been cleaned but to glue. Without being re-glued the track becomes very inconsistent and unsafe. With Chimay being  narrow, the surface  has to be good thats why Kobus hires all the correct equipment and team.

Every good track in the world will re-glue during the day to keep the the surface in good shape depending on what type off cars are going down the track.    

I have been involved in drag racing for 22 years so I am no new kid on the block. I have worked on different tracks in the uk and have had many national records and some european records. I have worked with four different types of glue VHT, VP,LA Drag Strip and a unknown brand with success. My experience in track prep is not only limited to the UK, I have also worked with Mark Dawson at Las Vegas Motor speedways  "the  strip" in the USA. My product LA Drag strip was developed for non full time drag strips and to keep costs down for the show promoters that want good results.An estimated 450 litres of glue mix was sprayed over the weeked at Chimay but it would have been more if the rain on saturday had stayed away.

At the end of the day Chimay is a public road but that doesn't stop European Bugin being an awesome event.

Lee      

same here!

One Franch guy crash my car on the way back on the return lane, Sunday :-[
So i most fix that before SCC.

Mags

Damn, that's a sad news.  :P

damage on the rear apron

I remember now the car. Rear apron and the bottom of the decklid.  :-\

Hi Girls,

I am very thankfull for the event and everything that was there or wasn't.
Vip passes are perfectly ok when handed out by sponsors to customers and the like.
We all could see cars and had plenty of access with or without VIP-Pass.
Would it not be for the racers there would be no event, so please accept that there has to be an element of safety
for the drivers, racing is dangereous enough and I do not need a flat slick at 100 mph plus.
I went to EBI expecting not to shower, have little to eat and stink like the rat from hell after four days...
All I wished for was sun... not a VIP-Pass problem..

Down from the track there was crazy stuff happening like fast cars driving.....drunk? How is that for being stupid?
I certainly think safety should be brought for drivers and spectators, so pits must be closed to some extent.

Anyway I think ist is a very good event with slight hick ups, but I will be there again and all I want is racing
and having a beer or two with friends.
And for those who complain, ask the racers how much of the action they saw.... more or less zero, they where busy
getting the cars ready to race or wait in the line up.

@ mario, you are correct it is a beetle event and for that one of the best I have been to.

All of you who go to Bug Jam in the Uk, total and utter chaos everytime I have been, but I expect that so it is ok.
Imagine you have a job, a hobby and then find the time to organize EBI, hats of to Kobus and his mates.

PS. Would we have heard Dyno Don without this event.... I do not think so...
PPS. When I was young I watched the racers and looked up to them as my heroes...


Cheers from Germany

Yes,J-f and also fenders and my home made T-bars.

Udo, what show were you at ?

 you needed a VIP pass to see the cars, to meet people, to have a drink.? No you didnt, you could walk around freely apart from the pit area, the drag strip and the chimay vip tent, the rest of the area was wide open ?

I think there will be less race cars each year    why ?

Or are you planning to do a Gasser only event...... please explain what you mean, the gassers are seen as an atraction that take part as are the outlaws, DAS and all other racers, there was only around 20 gassers this year so why would we want gasser only event, they are symbolic of the old bugin days thats all.
 

no  :'( :'( :'(

Stephan,

I agreed to all of your post wholeheartedly, but with the above even more so!

Walter

"All of you who go to Bug Jam in the Uk, total and utter chaos everytime I have been"

Tell me about it - were you there about 3 years when it took over 6 HOURS to get out  :o ::) :)

Stephan32, WELL PUT!

Agreed dude  :)

I believe that the wrong point cited regarding Miss Bug-In/Monica is that she was "spoken for"  ;)

Well I wouldn't mind seeing more of her kind ::) ;)

So why talk about something else that you knew nothing about,and why post the pictures with comments about being drunk?I am sorry but it doesnt make sense to me.The original post is about things wrong at EBI2,but instead of posting you complaints you stir up trouble and post pictures you didnt take ::)  and !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  
I wont comment on this anymore, you have already done the damage :(

Richie

I see that everybody agrees to your work , so it is not worth to talk about it . I only know that you can not put new glue on the starting line without new rubber , when i saw this i thought about towing back because i know how slippery a track gets when doing this . In over 20 years of racing i never saw things that you did .
But let us forget about this , you are right ...

Udo

You got my vote!!  ;D

KEEP GOING CHRIS
HAPPY TO HEARD THAT THE SPLT WILL BE ON THE ROAD AGAIN

As far as I´m concerned the only thing wrong with EBI is that I had to drive 1600 km to get there. I think the show was better organized this year and I loved the late night Drag Racing. The trip home was so much easier with all the fond memories of all the people I met. Thanks Kobus,Fred and the rest of the crew for a great weekend and next year I will bring ABSOLUT FOLKA back.

one thing that was not so cool about the event was the display of stupidity at the gate saturday night... burnouts and beer. not a good combo. i am almost a 100% sure no racers were involved, and i sure hope i am right. i can understand that there needed to be an outlet for the poor weather on saturday and a good party was what the doctor ordered, but this was not very smart and dangerous as well. Always weird that nobody gets hurt when standing with 30 people in the way of a bus that is performing a burnout... not that i want something to happen, far from it.
BUT it could mean that the whole crew will be in a tough spot when they have to negotiate that possibility of another Bug Inn... seems like people living around the track have some influence on what event can or can not be held at the track. (there is only 3 events this year) so i hope it went by like a stupidity and hopefully we can have another BugIn next year.
i had great fun. even without the car.

it was the hoodride boyz , drunk and rusty like they cars  ;D ;D ;D

"one thing that was not so cool about the event was the display of stupidity at the gate saturday night... burnouts and beer. not a good combo."

Agreed dude - I have always wondered how on earth no one get hurt when doing burnout like that  ??? ::) The "max power" FWD guys over here do that kind of thing ALL THE TIME  ::)

oh well I hope the locals went too pissed off  :)

Don t get me wrong I love this event, this year and last year.
The best on the calander.

I know it is hard to please everbody.

But what the f*ck, you needed a bracelet for the pits area.
I can understand perfectly that you could not walk on the race track.
But the pits area is not a race track.
I always enjoy watching the race cars incl. the DAS cars, some of those cars are the nicest
around. But I only got to see them through a fence?

On the subject of pits areas, please review the following pictures that were taken by me on saturday night after we had packed up after the rain and during the racing on saturday night, those who were there will remember Kobus putting up tape to keep people back from the burnout area....

When you look closely at the people some have there backs turned, some are looking at there cameras and some looking elsewhere, this is is an extremly dangerous area, i had expressed my concerns to the EBi crew last year and this year to improve they got the area tared, however it was meant to go back to the fence but due to a drain below the ground it could not be done. I was some what concerned about the cars being this close to the burnout area let alone the people.

The Gasser Garage VIP Pass was meant to be a safety item to prevent this from happening, it didnt work and there will be no VIP Gasser Garage passes next year, however i will throw people out of this area during racing for there own good !

Next year if anyone wants to come and see the cars, take pictures, please do so, these cars are for everyone but please ensure that it is safe to do so and not during the racing, thanks.

EBI1 I went as a spectator and loved being near the start line and close to you collection of cars, at EBI2 I was part of the track team this has totally changed my views it was so difficult getting people to move out of the way of oncoming cars and trying to keep everyone safe! Personally I think there should be a total lock down of the track after the foot bridge and that it would be a good idea for the Gasser lounge to be before the bridge also, say where the DAS guys were this year, that way the cars would be more accessable to the public and the staging lanes could then be managed better.

Rob.

russel, why your cars parking in the burnout-zone?
If they park outside - there is no probem i think...

Good luck with it Chris, look forward to seeing the van back out.

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OMFG, I was standing there for a minute or 10 because there was the only place with some people...  First a chick in a splitvan almost ran over some people.  Earlier that day she did the same thing with me when she passed the show and shine…  Was she drunk all day or just plain stupid?
Later I took my bug out to set a little cruise in the night trough the chimay woods but first I needed to pass this crowd, they all wanted some burnout or high reving action…   I was glad I passed the crowd and could take my beetle out for a nighttime spin…   8)

She ran into a few of us by the CSP tent in one bus, then later on that night she hit my elbow with a side mirror in another van, I think she was something to do with one of the traders as she was coming from up there both times, the vans were on German plates, I punched the door when she hit me and she stiopped and apologised didn't seem drunk maybe something stronger! I told her I had seen her twice driving like an idiot and she should calm down, stupid bint.

Rob.

What color was the van, Rob? And was it a split? Samba?

The main thing I would look at is re-entry to the show. The queue at the gate was, as it was last year, one line - this meant that if you left the show and wanted to come back in you had to sit for 15 to 20 minutes in the evening and longer during the day and wait for those who had not yet been in the show to pay and get in. Perhaps those leaving could be sent out another way and two lanes could be used entry - one for new visitors and one for those who have already been in.
It's not a massive problem - but this is valuable time from out lives that we can never get back.

true, i just overtook the whole queue and showed my wristband at the entry. it did become a problem when the police were around  ;)

Well the one that hit me looked a dark red, it was pretty dark out and I am colour blind haha
The one that nearly hit a group of us in the trade area was 2 tone white and green i think.

Last year there was no bridge and we were nearer the corner away from the burnout area, this year with the bridge we were moved closer and as stated in my post i wasnt happy about this but hey we are not going to huff, we made do and will make better for next year.

not perfect but pretty close.

Oh yeah! Thats right you were virtually on the grass the first year!

Oh well every event has its teething issues. I still think that considiering its infancy EBI is probably the best show in the world and it has just leaped into cult status.

the van was a two tone split 11 window I think, it was black with brown and had black C2 porsche rims under it...

I know the guy with the green and white Samba on German plates. He's a police man.... and got a new girlfriend.... no words for that...

That stupid girl who nearly drove into friends of mine was not druk, but looked more like stoned as I understood. Kobus was there and drove head-on to her, made her stop and pulled the keys out of the van. He was still pumping with adranaline of anger when he told me what happend the next day...

This girl did not by any chance sport a VIP pass and long blonde hair?

There are ALWAYS a few idiots  ::) :)

wish Id found a stoned long haired blond girl at EBI, I would have made her pay for sure  ;D

Thanx Russell

 ;D no doubt about it.  ;D

Being a Police man he should ban her from driving and take away her licence!

She didn't have blond hair she was a brunette and did have a VIP pass.

It was my first time at EBI and having only seen the pictures from last year, I was expecting plenty... We drove 2000 miles in total.....

 and...I wasn't dissapointed.  ;D

I've been attending VW shows for nearly 30 years (yes 30?) and I hadn't had this much fun in years! ;)

 I don't have any problem with VIP passes, this is at the choice and discretion of the organizers and anyone in the VW Scene that thinks that ANY of the people I SAW wearing VIP Badges don't have a claim to wear the badge.. LET'S HEAR IT THEN! ???

 I was trying to get some good photos of the Underdog and DDS Gassers from across the track and then when I walked round behind the Start gantry one of the offiicials beconded me over and let me through to get the pics I desperatly wanted...... :)

 Now that's never happened to me before at any other car show I've attended???

Sure the show had it's organizational problems, but none of them spoiled the show for me in any way. When things do do pear-shaped if the organizers can sort it without affecting the punters enjoyment. I'd say they've done pretty damn well.

  EBI was and is a Great Show, no question. But it's only just 2 years old and has to evolve over time to tick all the boes the organziers want ticked.

 If the show continues to improve and adds to an already great format, It will become a real classic. For me it's already a show which I can't miss.

  Thanks to all the EBI team for allowing us to have a little taste of the VW Story right here in Europe.

I can say exactly the same thing. Even the distance is almost correct.

AS for ViP passes - I did not even try to get to the pits or start line during the races - this is not a place for a crowd of spectators. And there was no problem to get there after the races, so I cannot complain.

Hello.
One of the problems the crew encounters at EBI in Chimay is, that its not really a track. Its public roads that gets barred and used for the show. That leaves very little room to work on in certain areas. I wish it was possible to hold the meeting on one of the real tracks, but the financing of the meeting would be ridiciulsy high these days I think, and the entrance fees would show it. If the entrance fees were say 50% higher, then people will start thinking about coming (financially)  So we will have to take what we can get. So lets get the best out of it.
WRT VIP passes. - Well, I practically live in the pit area when I´m attending meetings like this. But that´s me.  On the other hand. We cant have the entire crowd running up and down the pit area. That would simply be a mess, and that also wouldnt leave the peace needed for the racers to get their sh*t together, repairs etc. especially when the space is rather restricted. But I do see it as a problem that the "regular crowd" (In lack of a better phrase) can not even come close to the race cars. But I have no suggestions to how that could be solved. So I think I´ll just shut up about that ;D

WRT.  entrance gate. Well, heres a suggestion to how it maybe could be better:
1. Place people at the entrance that are bilingual, french/german and/or french/english. That would help a lot in clearing misunderstandings and speed up the process.
2. Let 2 or 3 more have a money bag and then have them walk down the line and do business, like on the old ferry terminals. That way they can let say 10-15 cars through at a time instead of 3-4. the entrance area is always stressed. I know all about that from my time with Bug Stop Skagen in the 90ies, where we took up to 470 cars through the gate in about 90 minutes.

One thing I "missed" was that it was very difficult to determine how many people were really there, because the camping and parking areas were so far apart. So the normal evenning "camping area tour" did´nt really give us a hint.

But all in all my personal opinion is that it was worth the 2000 km roundtrip for me. - Would I do it next year (?) - most likely. So I´ll round this up by saying thankyou to the crew at EBI for making this happen.

Torben Alstrup.

The 2000 mile trip was hard work ( I do all the driving..) but worth it without doubt.

  I agree the gate/car entry was a little confusing to say the least. ???

I walked up to the local shop (about 10.30am) on Saturday morning and the queue of traffic was pretty long by then and lots of hot VW engines and hotter people.

 That side of things could obviously do with refining, but the solution will no doubt be found. I do wish that everybody could camp on site though.

It makes the show last all day and into the night as well. I love to stroll around the campsite and meet the people I missed during the day.

 I camped about 3kms away in a sloping Cow Field (still covered in Cow Sh@@@t) and paid 60 Euros... Nothing to do with EBI I know, but a little annoying none the less.

I'll be in the swapmeet next year so that shouldn't be an issue again.

 

HAAAAH  ;D Welcome to the contryside. Just remember not to step in those brown things in the grass.  ;)
T

Cow shit looked marvelous on tires ;)
As for the lines, you could simply use back entrance once you were registered.

 Nice or not....

  I'll be avoiding the stuff next year.... ;)

I can see your point but another view on that is that mass camping on site isn't necessarily a great thing from the point of view of the show. Whilst it's more convenient the problem you have is that once people are in if there is no need to leave there's a tendancy for certain elements to get stupid having had too much of one thing or another and stay stupid the entire weekend. It's one of the things that can really screw a show up. By having the majority of people leave at the end of the day this becomes less of an issue, personally I'd prefer it if they kept it like that as it's a small price to pay for maintaining a good atmosphere.

 :)

Come on guys lets give Kobus, Mike and fast Fred a break here! I think this is enough constructive critisim for now  ;) :)

This is without a doubt THE BEST SHOW OF THE YEAR. PERIOD  :)

I agree that some elements ( people ) can beahve in an unsatisafactory manner after a day on the (very nice) Chimay Beer....

  In these cases it's up to organizers to police the situation correctly as  they do in most shows in the UK.

If people know the result of their behaviour, will result in them being asked to leave, usually the situation doesn't arise. But I do see your point completely on this matter.

 It would be up to organizers to decide if the show site could even cater (re:camping that is) for the number of visitors EBI got this year? Also if it could cope ith the numbers they can expect next year?

 I hope that the show realizes they have to control the grrowth proccess of  the event or in a short time they could realize they've created a monster that is out of control.

 The Mood/Vibe, Format, Location & Beer were just right and the show is already an established 'Classic' in every sence.

I hope that verybody that attends the next EBI is a cog in the wheel of it's evolution and as such remember to act/behave/contribute accordingly. The organizers deserve nothing less from everyone (my opinion)

 

I think the start of this tread was ment ironic and not as a the "Wailing Wall", or am I wrong Russell? ;)

As said earlier in this tread, to organize a event in this scale is extreamly hard work. Not to mention how difficult it is to size everything propotional to the number of visitors....you just have to miss at some point!

The only thing I don`t like is the drinking/driving. I think the police in Europe is to liberal on that matter. Here in Norway it is banned, if you even THINK about your car keys after smelling the beer bottle, you get thrown to jail..... :o

Except for this, I think EBI was a fantastic show and Kobus & Crew did a GREAT job!!  ;D

We will be back next year, hopefully RACING the SCC bus!

"I think the start of this tread was ment ironic"

You don't say dude  :D ;) :)

im sure. But russel kicked an avalanche......

Were we wailing...... ::)

  Sorry about that  :-[

     I think that EBI was so good verybody wants it to be perfect :)

       And that can't be a bad thing ;D

          Apologies again ;D   

All

When i type the post it was meant for a laugh, espically the bit about miss bugin being taken (i meant she was Kobus girlfriend already)

However i have let the post run with deep regret for starting it as if i had known that i would provide the platform for people to express any negative views i wouldnt have done it.

EBI2 was as far as Im concerned is excellent, the work put in my the EBI crew was 1st class and Im proud to be a sponsor of this event, which i regard as the best fun event in Europe, infact maybe the world, yes Bugin and classic are great events but they dont pull the history to the front as we seem to do in Europe which provides a better show IMHO.

As with all things there always room for improvements and next year Ill start what would you like at bugin rathers than whats wrong......

The only good thing is Im sure the organiser want to know what the show goers really think in order to help better plan and improve for next year, at EBI1 no-one had a clue what would happen but it happened and in a big way, EBI2 has made it as well with improvements, EBI3 should be better yet, but we need 3 very important things to make it a success:

1) VW people
2) VW Understanding
3) VW Frendship

who the f%$£ cares whats wrong what about whats right............... the list is too long

 

I'd second that. :)


It's the shit...  8)

The most important thing for EBI#3 is: VW CARS  ;D

The biggest thing wrong with EBI2 for me at the moment is that its over! And we have to wait 11 months and 2 weeks for the next one!

Rob.

EBI2 was my first european show and i really enjoyed the friendly, laid back atmosphere.  I'd like to thank all those involved for a great weekend, and also Russell and the gasser garage for the hospitality and scottish beer!

cheers

colin

AMEN.