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 Any tips on stopping an oil leak between the filter and the plate

this small leak is realy getting on my T*ts

would i be better off with a golf (rabbit) type filter

maybe a problem with flange adapter? I don't think HP1's typically have a problem leaking.

Dump the Fram, and use a Wix 51515R - i have switched over and not a single drip, leak, or adverse effects from big oil pressure.

    Filter adapter is the problem that I have with mine. Mill it down a bit than it should be OK.

   Frenchy

Right.  I've seen some where the center threaded fitting was screwed in cockeyed.

I had the same problem with mine! Drove me nuts until it got milled down. Common problem, I see.

thanks for that. looks like I'll be replacing both ::)

I used a flat file on the sealing surface, no leaks here ;D

This is getting a real pain in the butt.

When starting from cold the oil is now dumping out between the filter and the filter mount.

I tried changing the oil to 15/40w from 20/50w filed the mount flat, changed the filter and its still doing it

I take it this is because the weathers getting a little cooler and the oil is thicking up because its colder.

The oil pressure is not real High, it starts at about 30 psi on tick over going down to 20psi when hot   

What would you do?

I think that its the filter mount, I've been looking on the internet and seen a Jay cee filter mount with a pressure release valve to stop this, any good ? If not what do you run. I've got an empi one fitted

20psi hot idle is high.  What is it on the highway at rpm?

gunning it up to 45 to 50 psi but when hot about 25 to 35psi crusing

How square is the center threaded collar to the mounting face for the seal?

Bruce

I had a look this morning and to be honest I think that the filter mounts is the problem. It dosent look 100% square between the treaded part and the face as you say.

Its been ok up to now but as the weathers getting cooler here, its been playing up.

Where would you be able to get a good quality mount that exits to the left.


I just want to be able to get in the car and drive it ::)
 
Ron


 

dont we all ron. weathers been so shite here this year.got any plans for the tail end of this year ron? have to meet up soon barry ;)

PM sent

have fun


Gunter

thanks, look like just what i need

I dont mind the weather, better fun in the wet ;) ;D

Going to Slough and maybe flame and thunder. It was a shame the drags in devon were closed down but we're still on the look out for a venue in the central south west to be able to run our cars.

Hope to be getting my ghia back from Alex real soon

Maybe we can arrange an outing with a few cars over xmas, there's usualy a few good days over the holidays.   
 

sounds good ron.are they rescheduling the drag meet for next year then? or was it closed for another reason?

Someone said the local council closed t down due to noise  :-\

Thanks Gunter got them on their way.  8)

good news ... you will like for sure

Right, I now have the new CSP fillter mount on and this has solved the leak beween the fillter and the mount.

I also tried the csp fillter but it was leaking on a run between the two parts of the fillter ( its the re-usable type). Both Items are or great quality as usual form CSP but they havent solved the problem.

I thought i'd give a normal fillter a go again as the leak had stoppped between the the fillter mount and the fillter. I didnt have time to run it after fitting the new fillter so I started the car this morning to check, the car had been out all night (air temp about + 3 1/2 C ) the fillter burst open just under the the rim of ther fillter and dumpped the oil.     

What am I doing wrong.????????????

Going back to basics the oil line comes out of the oil pump cover to the fillter mount via the port marked in then flows throught the fillter  ( when it works) then out via the out port to the oil cooler, then out of the oil cooler back to the engine via the tapping in the case.

Right or wrong ?????   ???

should I be running a oil stat .  Please any help would be great  :'( 

Ron, are you reving it from cold? oil pressure is pretty high at startup(well over 100psi)

Not that I know of, but I'll give it another try keeping the revs down with a new fillter this morning. Its not been as cold tonight and the cars been out again

Cheers Ben

Ben

Tried it again this morning, started the car without reving and got another drive full of oil.

Nearly set about the car with a lump hammer >:(

What do you think, would fitting an oil stat before the fillter help  ????

starting to get realy pi$$ed of with it now, anyone want a cheap car ??? ::)

 

 

 

Ron, You have everything as i do on mine. For a filter to split its surely excess oil pressure?

Have you tried a genuine vw filter (golf) Ive got one on mine atm

Lee

YOU HAVEN'T GOT A KINK IN THE OIL HOSE HAVE YOU? or a badly made oil fitting or the touch of boom boom
(sorry CAPS LOCK)
could have the same effect as squeezing the end of a garden hose and giving way too much pressure

tried that one didnt last long


I was thinking that I may have a blocked / kinked oil line on the way to work today.

Looks like I be under the car again tonight checking.

As for the touch of BOOM BOOM looks like its rubbing off, or maybe its a virus, Boomboomlitis or something

 

please do not use the words Boom Boom and rubbing off in the same sentence!
did he not tell you the story of his date with the Vetenary nurse :D

sorry but its out there now !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just had a thought(just the 1) have you bled the oil system? i.e. fill the sump, coil lead off,return oil line into a container and cranked over, more oil crank over, more oil until you start getting oil through the return hose, bit like bleeding a water system on a regular car

So, Ron....when did your oil leak start?  Has your motor been together long?  Has it always had a leak?  The only time I ever blew up an oil filter or two was on my old sandrail.  The oil pressure relief by the oil pump was stuck.  The case I had at the time had all the oil galley plugs drilled and tapped for pipe plugs.  The one by the pressure relief valve got tapped a little deep and the plug came in contact with the relief plunger.  By backing the plug out just a touch, the plunger fell right out in the sand.  It's extremely unusual to have a problem with an HP-1... there's got to be a reason someplace.  I'd look at the plungers and springs and use stock OEM stuff.

I havent bled the system but I did fill the oil fillter and crank it over untill i got the green oil pressure light, I'll bleed it through when I get home, Like you, I did think air lock but thought that with the oil beig under that sort of pressure it wouldnt be that!   




This all seems to have started with an oil change which I did at the same time as it started to get colder here.

I'ts a all new engine thats done about 3000 trouble free miles that I have been really pleased with. There has always been a small leak oil around the inlet hose to the filter mount that is now cured , that was nothing big just a pain getting oil on the muffler.

I know its something that I 've done but cant figure out what, as it was fine before.

It only blows the fillter when its been cold outside 5 c or lower. If it does start without blowing the fillter or gasket its fine on tickover but the pressure seems to blow the oil through the gasket on the filter on a run regardless. Pressure wise it shows 25 psi on tickover when cold and 12.5-15psi on tickover when hot. On a run its about 30psi cruzing and 40-45 psi when gunning it.  I did see it spike on the pressure gauge once back in the summer upto 70 psi but I've never seen it do that again.

I'll try bleeding it through as Ben says and see if that cures it check the hoses for kinks etc if all fails then it sound like it time to drop the oil and get the plungers out   :'(
 

run it with just the filter, no cooler, just try to eliminate the problem a step at a time

maybe a good idea, who needs cooling at this time of year in the uk  ;D

for anyone who has had this problem

I amanged to solve it today buy bleening the oil from pump through all the lines back to the case

refitted the csp oil fillter and it seems to have solved it

Thank you to all who have taken the time to help me out with tips etc.

Big thanks to
Gunter
Ben
Lee
Zach
Frenchy
Jim
Bruce
Race Head and  Sarge

Ron, i still would check the plungers. Just in case... (Just think of it, you have better tolerances now on the filter
and filtermount, but ..)

Just my 2 cts.

Me, too.  No grooved oil plungers, either...just the plain ones with stock springs and plugs.

I'll have a look at the weekend

Regards Ron

it sounds to me like the back pressure is in the lines to the case,this is why you arent seeing excessive pressure on the guage,its possible you have some debris in the cooler or line that is restricting it causing the problem before the plungers can bleed offf the excess pressure,hopefully you already solved it but if not you need to lose the cooler and see what happens then :)

cheers richie

Bled the lines and all ok now.

Yesterday morning was real cold but she started with no problems. Now got a routine of cranking the engine over a good few times to get the oil going round the lines before giving it a single pump on the accelerator to start.

now out enjoying the car again :)