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http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=673954

whow  :o :o

That's not a common ads for sure!

A friend of mine sold those to Gene way back when for something like $200.00 !
 :'(

I gotta wonder how many other treasures are hidden there at Berg's. Walking through their shop and warehouse is like walking through a museum!

Now let me open my wallet... Mmmmh nope. Nothing, sorry.

 :o :o :o $$$$$$$$$$ auction are open  ;D ;D ;D

Crap ! I didn't win on the lottery ! That's sooooooooo desirable  :P :P :P :D.

From what i have heard they have alot more than 1 set..... wonder if this is them cashing in due to the credit market.....

I have just offered my son as exchange, they can train him up and use him :)



























only joking

I am guessing they sell for 10-12k. Who would mount them on their car and who would set them on a shelf? I wouldnt know what to do with them.

I would know  :D.

I'd like to call them up and say in my best Chef's dad's voice (from South Park), "I'll give you about tree-fitty."

No matter what they go for, they're still ugly wheels. :)

Turn them into clocks.  ;D

--louis

"Hey look, they made wheels based on those crank and generator pulleys!"  ;D  Only kidding, of course.  All in good fun.

dam right - anodized fuchs all the way ;) :)

I'll give "three'fidty" (said in chefs voice)  :D :D :D

I need a hose reel in the garage.... hmmmmmm

stupid overpriced *** wheels, i don't even want them for that kinda money.

Actually I do need some off road wheels  ;) :)

wonder if they'll take a "check"
boing boing boing...
because maybe somebody will announce he is buying them. Or maybe not.

just made me wizz myself laughing  :D :D

how much do you think they will go for though...? £4000?

They'd make a nice bonfire at the dunes. ;D

What about turtle backs? ;D

It's all a matter of opinion. Those wheels actually look kinda cool on the right late model Beetle or Type 3.

[thread hijack]I like this one liter concept car from Volkswagen. Deal with it.[/thread hijack]
(http://blog.wired.com/cars/images/2008/07/02/vw_one_liter_concept02_2.jpg)

 ;D

My last electric razor looked just like that.  :D

--louis

Dee must be cleaning house and told the guys to get those dusty things out of here.

with the credit crunch, I think these are the only way to secure your pension, time to start investing!

I saw this set of wheels when I was in california last year for 33th bug-in they are awesome
when I have asked to see them DEE didn't remember where they are located in the shop  :o

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 :o :o

Think we will be seeing a set going to Scottland?  ;D ;D ;D

I'm sure Bandit was guarding them with his life ;D

wow...they're gonna be expensive display pieces for somebody.

i just showed my wife the ad because we've sold our house yesterday......she wasn't impressed with me. ::)

i do hope that whoever gets them bolts them on a car and makes proper use of them.

 :'(

i think that if you got them for $12,000 you'd be very lucky, seeing as any old set goes for around $8000......

I've seen good used sets go for over $10k

I can't imagine having the disposable income to be able to afford to spend the equivalent of a brand new small economy car (brand dependent, of course) on a set of wheels... hell, I can't even afford the BRM knock offs, let alone a set of chromies right now.  Lol.  ;D Poverty sucks.
Even if I did have the coin for rims, I don't know if I'd buy aging magnesium rims to actually drive on... I remember reading Andy Spilkoman's article about an exploding BRM that injured him a few years back.

it'sn't a brm it was  a five spoke empi who exploding

they should go to the Peterson automotive museum for the Cal-Look section they should have.

Oh, that's right... well, either way, I'd be reluctant to put many miles on a well-aged set of magnesium rims.  I once flipped a van (non VW) that blew a tire, so I'm a little gun shy on wheel/tire related accidents ;D

boy would they look good on my low mileage blk 67.
I guess I need to sell some more parts

Sell the car for the wheels... ;D

Ah, the definition of perfect irony...;D

 :D

So Russel, did you buy them yet?

Ahh, the "HOLY GRAIL" of the VW wheel world. Definately a museum piece.
(http://images.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/pix/medium/2281609.jpg)

"special equipment"....... They had no idea!
(http://images.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/pix/medium/2281611.jpg)

No, but they would be perfect for Tar babe..... no point in them being kept in boxs  ;D

that would be perfect......good luck!

Someone out there will probably buy just the boxes if they get used  ::) :)

I would cut the boxes up and recycle them in my weekly curbside pickup, thus reducing my carbon footprint ;D

$10.000 how many euros is that this week 5000? ;D ;D

Excuse my sence of humor I am Dutch

michael

Naah, those wheels ain't even shiney, crappy stuff...

It's patina. They would look great on a hood ride ;D

perfect wheel to chrome HUH!!!

I'm surprised they don't say "sale pending" by now.   ??? ;)

Credit Crunch ?  :o

I remeber a set of those wheels at the Bergs a while back. If i remeber correctly they are some of the earliest production sets and I believe the Bergs had/have a few sets. Wish I could afford them!

The current bid is $11,400.00

Going Once.....

I agree 12K would be a steal.

 Not bad investment ( for the seller ) Considering the wheel where priced originally $49.50 each..

BTW: Shipping charges should be very cheap , they only weight in @ 8 lbs. each. :D

I think if they sell for less than 15k somebody is getting a deal. With the replicas on the scene people have forgotten how rare BRM's & wide 5 Americans are. In the 80's & early 90's seeing a set outside of the Berg's was like seeing a unicorn. Now people are jaded & think they are everywhere.   If I had the means I would buy them in a heartbeat...

Getting back to my earlier concern about durability, how well does magnesium hold up through the decades?  10 plus grand for a set of wheels that would just sit around to look at wouldn't seem worth it to me, if they weren't useable (that is, useable in a safe manner).

Art G uses his, & I use mine, I would'nt do any off roading and I am pretty careful about where I point my car. They have held up pretty good for the nearly 20yrs I have owned my particular set. You just have to be careful. I keep aluminum wheels on the car most of the time now, because I am just tired of polishing them.  Bill

No?

No?

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That's disapointing :( ::) ;D

Just on the grass

Don't say grass around Danny.

  I think the answer was right underneath your very own nose... Myself and a few other members drive/race their car with real magnesium wheels from time to time. If you had any type of concerns or questions,  It would when wheels were over loaded of usage ( off roading like Bill said ) and if they where exposed around water/humidity for long periods of time. not the ones sitting in a ( NOS ) dry free environment.

Being that the wheels are 90% old tech magnesium vs. today's new tech magnesium. I would still have to say, there is no doubt in my mind they are strong, and rigidity...( See: Berg race car 40+ years of racing ). ;)

BTW: most horrid stories you hear say, are surrounding the EMPI 2pc wheels. If you stare at them long enough they will crack.. :D

                                                          Specifically the back halves.

                                                              I can't find the cracks on mine, Art.

try the other piece.  still on drum?

That back half was still bolted to the front half. The front half was unscathed. My fender, however matched the back half.

Enough of the wheel stories, what about the grass ?--------------------Well ?

Wow what a coincidinc .......  guesss what I am doing right now :o

Buying over priced mag wheels ? Maybe ?

NO ;)

mowing the green grass?

$13,000 going once !

hey guys,
i was wondering...
since they were allready rare in the 80ies,
how long were they made? can nobody get hold of the original molds? :)

ks tried ;)  8)

the wheels were first seen by the public at the end of February 66 and would soon become a big seller in the USA where the benefit of light weight was not lost on the drag race fraternity.

words by ks on  http://www.kes.u-net.com/speedwell/story.html (http://www.kes.u-net.com/speedwell/story.html)

chris morley own 2 prototype ( ??? ) wheels those one were on the gtv on the cover on the 1st annual volkswagen and on the inch pincher one
 watch the spoke there's a liitle cut in   :o

Another one of these original four BRMs (prototype) has surfaced in Florida.... No photos yet.

I'm sittin' here starin' at the BRM's on that green car... I'm sorry, but those are BUTT UGLY!!  No wonder I hated them back then.  Let the stoning begin....

YES! 13 Grand. Rediculos !
T

Unless your buying wheels for your F-1 car 13k for a set of wheels - You need your head checked - plus they are ugly.

Are you supplying?  ;D

Yeah, '65 Chevelle wheel rip-offs  ;D
(http://www.hubcaps.org/blog/wp-content/images/2007/09/1965chevelle.jpg)


If someone else has budget for 13K$ wheels, I am happy for him/her, nothing away from me even I cannot afford them..

I remember my folks buying three new VW's back in the 60's.  I can just imagine my dad telling the salesman to change the factory steelies and caps for a set of those odd looking, grey wheels in the EMPI catalog....NOT!!

Sounds like a quote from Life of Brian;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Erthun0Pauc

 ;D  perfect!

For the record. My offer was too low so its not me.  :(

However, whoever gets them WELL DONE and so what about the price.... anyone on here with a negative opinion can F&^% off as far as im concerned the beauty is in the eye of the beholder....  We all collect stuff some people pay hundres of $ for magazines or an autograph of a golfer or football star and that is no use for anyone, some people pay millions for a painting ! there choice not mine, however its ot my opinion nor should it be yours if its too much or stupid if the buyer and seller agree and are happy that should be enought.

So on the plus side for all us that own BRM's maybe there vaule has gone up like everything else in the world, Gas, Interest Rates, costs and maybe this is an investment not a waste of money as suggested.

If you purchased a F1 Maclaran a few years agon today its worth almost double the amount, so maybe those who didt win or didnt bid  the are ones that are wrong.

One other point 3 months ago someone paid 317,000.00 euros for a Schimwagon 6 months ago you could get one for around 80,000 euros !!! and dont even get me started on Prosche RS's but they have proven to be some really spund investments for the collectors/investors.

So whoever got them, well done again.

P.s not sure i like the fact the the highest bid price had been posted on thesamba as this is asking for someone else to jump in on the poor guy, they asked for offers and should accept the highest offer, not start a biding war.

Everything is relative, if you have the spondoolies available, and you liked the wheel why would you NOT buy them?

I think they're cool as, and if I had a spare £xxx knocking about I'd be all over them - and I'd be driving on them. I don't though, so I have repop's!

Oh, and I don't get the investment angle of stuff like this, any of it - leave that to art dealers ;) and classic sportscar brokers - yeah, I know its a fact of life, but if you like something and can afford it, buy it and enjoy it for what it is.

Thats not a dig at ANYONE here - a guy may have quite easily gone and bought a garage full of investment iron rather than, for instance, a garage full of old VW's - I'm not saying that the cars we are all interested in are NOT worthy of ivestment, just they're not your typical investment material, which to me is a good thing. 'Investments' get put in a conditioned environment and only see the light of day long enough to be re-valued. That SUCKS.

Agreed

russel if its not you who get the best offer
who is it ??

I guess they're only worth it if someone pays the money for them, but I'm just not that much of a purist in the Cal-Look realm.  Even if I had the dough there's no way I'd dole out 10 plus grand for a set of rims.  I guess there's different levels of dedication out there.

We dont want all to be the same so every wheel is nice, so there no hard rules again its down to perferance and i like BRM's, i also like empi 5s.....

I hope they were fitted on a car too and we could see them at EBI3   ;D

I'd like to also clarify that my previous comments weren't intended as negative tripe or anything of that nature, but, as a not so hardcore (and financially strapped lol ;D) enthusiast, I could build a damn nice car for $13 grand.  Not to take anything away from the guy who has the means to buy them; if he/she wants them and can afford them, by all means, more power to him/her. As I said in a more recent post, it's worth it if someone pays it, I reckon.

Why not get Flat Four to pour Mg into their existing molds?

Wonder Who It Is That has The High Bid   LOL ;D :o ;D ;D no matter what the Price When will you ever get another chance to Buy An NOS set of BRM's???

i got offered a pair 2 years ago for $4000, still in boxes! bought a bathroom instead.

Ouch !

I was looking in the hot vw magazine and I see the repo wheels for alot cheaper, I'm new to the cal-look seen. Whats the difference in the wheels.

About 8 lbs.

8LBs a corner = 32lbs in total, I'd say go for repros and spend much less $ than a set of wheels on a bigger motor and stronger box ;D

original BRM's are good but they would never make my old 1776 run 11's, that's why I've spent about $2.5k so far on bits for a 2387 including Pauter crank and rods.

to me the wheels would be nice, but not a necessaty

for $3k I could get a set of new centerlines,slicks and front runners and a set of Flat 4 rims with street tyres.

Thanks for the reply back and I am not going raceing and the repo wheels will be fine for my car.

And for $13k - a whole race car straight from the states! ;D

You can make your repops look more original by having the clear coat striped and then polish the rims and spokes.  Adding 14mm lug studs and nuts plus a set of Fat Performance's re-done original center caps will add to the look.  A lot of "experts" are easily fooled... ;) 

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look a like OG brms
those are mws brms with little job to do a real brm  :o :o

Hey Sarge, did you do the polishing or did you send them to someone? I want to do the same to my 'burner repos.

Thanks,

--louis

Dam right  ;) My friend Gav (G77) did a pair of his for the back of his 63 and he fooled a couple of "experts" at Bad Camberg last year  ;D it just takes a bit of thought  :)

I had Al Reed Polishing do mine.  The tab is currently $85 a wheel... strip / polish / repaint black.

Thanks, guess I will be getting in touch with Mr. Reed some time soon then.

--louis

 :o :o :o  ;) ;D

Seriosly  :o ;) :) I was also gonna say that after you polish them and they have been on the road for a few miles and oxodized alittle they look evem more "REAL" they really doo look cool - like I say it just takes a bit of thought oh yeah and a friend who can spray the spokes in 2pack for you for free  ;) :)

To keep further hi-jacking this thread. I was thinking of painting my 'burner replicas charcoal instead of straight black. Give it a little contrast with a black paint job.

--louis

Hmmm not sure - it might work, just my 2 cents dude  :)

Isn't that how Kaforski did his??

That's where I got the idea.  ;D Look at the shot of his car in the HVW engine book. 

Though I can not tell if his is painted charcoal gray or if its just the pictures.

--louis

Heres my og burner powder coated charcoal . Had my gas tank and running boards done the same color .Wish I would have had them cleared after I polished them though. :( My thumbs hurt ! :D

The metal is pretty "tight" on a Flat Four and takes a long lasting shine very similar to a forged Fuchs wheel, so little polishing is needed.  I'm good for once a month on the outer rims with a little Never-Dull.  Now, those REAL BRM's..... :P ;)

corn starch?

--louis

Yeah, it soaks up all the black stuff quicker then a plain rag.  Try it!

It would be cool to learn some of your other tricks some time. Maybe in another thread.

Thanks,

--louis

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v493/deanovw/brm1-1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v493/deanovw/brm-2.jpg)

I like those!
Can you give us any more information on how these were done please???

Thanks,

Dean.

Fabian, are those the wheels on Helges bay window camper?

no rune , that's the one on 65 redex (benoit germeau) brother of nicolas (muppet racer)



if i remember well they sandblasted the wheels , after that they broke the edges of the spokes , polish the wheels and after they doesn't need to polish any more the wheel , let her tarnish it
Apply a coat/layer of fine black gravel spray coat (don't know the right words)to the black parts  of the rim and with a nail(the head(big diameter)) stand out while the fresh anti gravel , the 5 points on the spokes (black circle on the pict)
hope that will help you

fabs

nice work

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if i remember well they sandblasted the wheels , after that they broke the edges of the spokes , polish the wheels and after they doesn't need to polish any more the wheel , let her tarnish it
Apply a coat/layer of fine black gravel spray coat (don't know the right words)to the black parts  of the rim and with a nail(the head(big diameter)) stand out while the fresh anti gravel , the 5 points on the spokes (black circle on the pict)
hope that will help you

fabs
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Thanks Fabs. Its alot of work, but I think they look great.   ;D

I think I get it now.  You make a set of fake BRMs look ratty so they will be perceived as real BRMs.  Is that it.  I guess I am missing something.  I have fake ones and at 30 mph nobody can tell...

I think I will keep polishing my real BRM's so that I can fool the experts into thinking they are fake.

Making wheels look ratty?  Sounds kinda Hoodridey to me...;D  Just kidding, just kidding!

yours are real?

 :o :o :o ::) ;D

Thanks Bill....

No foolin the fact that yours are real. I've never seen a set of BRMs shine like yours do :)

Thanks Zach

Who needs clean fingers anyway?

I love rubber gloves! ;D

Do original brms have those little circular impressions on the paint?

Wasn't their a guy in England years ago that buried his REAL BRM's in the ground and left them there for sometime, just so that they would  look older! No shit!

Yes, they are in the casting.  Probably wood parts screwed onto the mould.  My guess is the round things are the heads of flat head screws.

About 10 years ago when Doug brought out the Muffin, I noticed the real BRMs were badly corroded.  When I suggested he did that to prove they were Mg, he said that's the exact reason.

That would be Pål Rui from Norway...

That's right you're missing something... maybe a part of brain  ;)

The purpose is not to make them look ratty. But just to give them a more original look. Because I don't like the brilliance finish and the machining perfection of the repro. Mine are not ratty, They are polished an the paint is in good condition.

But... everyone his taste...
 ;)

Guess I'll start looking for that other part of my brain...

Great jobb Redex! You really put some thought in to that!
I know some have tried that over here to but no one has gotten it half as nice as you.
The devil is in the details they say... :)

Yeah and that was after leaving them in a bath of "saline solution" for a week :)

You should get them chromed so you never have to polish them again.  ;D

--louis

Thanks! But I need to say that it is my brother (Muppet Racer) who got the idea and did the job! When I see all the work he did so far on his car and mine, I would say that the devil is in his hands!

+1

You can tell him that he made me really consider getting a set of flat4's!! Great job!

I always thought they were chromed flat 4's    :D

Is there a new owner in the house???? Ad yanked from thesamba.

yes just yesterday evening
who had buy them ?

how was the latest price  ??? ???

14000USD

How much is that in Euros?

14'000$ = 10'794.2€
 

 
 

  :o  :o  :o  :o  :o  :o  :o  :o  :P

 :-X

 ;)

 Oi.  That's all I will say about that.

Come on guys - someone brought some new wheels BIG DEAL!

I can't believe this thread got to 6 pages and still going ::)

I heard they are going on the Berglar.............

Does that mean that they will appear without prior notice...  :D

 :o

And I didn't even need to be involved. Great work , gentlemen!

where Carlos when we need him ?

Fred "empi collector" are they yours ???

According to volksworld news you got them !!!! I picked up the mag at the shop today, so maybe this is old news....

Anyway if its true well done. Can i borrow them ?


And a happy new year to you and everyone else on the lounge.

Cheers

Russell

no
I will really enjoy to get them but no
your read this in the magazine  ???
I even didn't know who get them but get a little cloud  :-X
can you send me in pm a scan of the page please russel

will do it on monday when i return to office.

i will post it :)

Oh dear...

whaou cool
but its not me
I will call volksworld on monday to have a talk with the guys who wrote the article ??? ??? ??? >:(

Haha that's kinda funny :D Wonder how that got 'round??

Did Russell buy them?

from what I heard sold for 14500 us
but in Belgium we say a knife cuts both ways, a story has two sides, ...
1- there is seller who is owner and gives a certain value to what he sells or offers
2- there is buyer who is owner of his funds and values his purchase ... a certain amount of money he likes to give in return for it
good luck to the new owner of the wheels
but this does not mean I am curious to find out ...

Gunter

Or, It takes two to tango...

Let's see....Would I buy a new car?
Or do I buy four old ugly wheels at the same price?  ::)    :o
Let me get back on that one tomorrow.  :D ;D