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Title: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: Fastbrit on November 15, 2008, 13:29:57 pm
Thought you guys might like to see this. Everyone knows the famous Hot VWs photos of the DKP II line-up. Well, here's the same photoshoot from the rear:
(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t318/Photokernow/cal487LR.jpg)


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: Bewitched666 on November 15, 2008, 13:30:55 pm
Look at those behinds from then ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: Rennsurfer on November 15, 2008, 15:25:36 pm
Now THAT is a very cool photo, Keith. Very worthy of being in print, too. (hint, hint)

 ;D

Seriously, though... thanks for sharing.


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: Dave Rosique on November 15, 2008, 15:39:13 pm
Great "behind" the scenes shot Keith!

Thanks!!

~DR.


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: Lee.C on November 15, 2008, 15:45:37 pm
Cool shot dude  ;D


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: deano on November 15, 2008, 17:47:30 pm
Another Deano production.... total chaos behind the camera! That is a great photo, and it looks so easy when the photo is done. I remember that day well. That park is right off the 57 freeway, off the Imperial exit. We did that without permission, no permits, no nothing! Today, we would be thrown in jail...


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: Gregor/DFL on November 15, 2008, 17:49:34 pm
thanks 4 sharing! What a cool pic...


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: Fastbrit on November 15, 2008, 18:04:28 pm
If you look closely, you can probably see Deano drinking a diet Coke, too...

See you next week, Deano!


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: Sarge on November 15, 2008, 18:10:52 pm
Big deal.... it's a transparency (slide), guys.  When you look at it from one side, it's the front of the cars, and when you flip it over, it's the BACK of the cars.....  sheeeeeeesh ::) ;D


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: Stephan S on November 15, 2008, 18:39:53 pm
Thought you guys might like to see this. Everyone knows the famous Hot VWs photos of the DKP II line-up. Well, here's the same photoshoot from the rear:
(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t318/Photokernow/cal487LR.jpg)

What a great picture! Thanks Keith!

Another Deano production.... total chaos behind the camera! That is a great photo, and it looks so easy when the photo is done. I remember that day well. That park is right off the 57 freeway, off the Imperial exit. We did that without permission, no permits, no nothing! Today, we would be thrown in jail...

And 30 years later, Deano is still goofing around...
(Pic by Satoshi - Street VWs Mag)



Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: Lee.C on November 15, 2008, 19:35:01 pm
Thought you guys might like to see this. Everyone knows the famous Hot VWs photos of the DKP II line-up. Well, here's the same photoshoot from the rear:
(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t318/Photokernow/cal487LR.jpg)

One thing I always wondered was - Why did they not line up the two chop top's the same ???


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: Zach Gomulka on November 15, 2008, 19:45:49 pm
Neat :)


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: Fastbrit on November 15, 2008, 20:00:48 pm
Thought you guys might like to see this. Everyone knows the famous Hot VWs photos of the DKP II line-up. Well, here's the same photoshoot from the rear:
(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t318/Photokernow/cal487LR.jpg)

One thing I always wondered was - Why did they not line up the two chop top's the same ???
Amateurs...  ::)


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: nicolas on November 15, 2008, 20:26:25 pm
i like it. the shot is so cool. i always like those cars the best (off all dkp shots in the park)


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: Lee.C on November 15, 2008, 21:56:49 pm
Thought you guys might like to see this. Everyone knows the famous Hot VWs photos of the DKP II line-up. Well, here's the same photoshoot from the rear:
(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t318/Photokernow/cal487LR.jpg)

One thing I always wondered was - Why did they not line up the two chop top's the same ???
Amateurs...  ::)

its just one of those things that ALWAYS bugged me about that shot  ::) :) I am a virgo its in my nature aparently.


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: Fastbrit on November 15, 2008, 23:10:59 pm
its just one of those things that ALWAYS buggered me about that shot  ::) :) I am a virgin its in my nature aparently.
That figures... :D


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: deano on November 16, 2008, 01:33:21 am
I figure that shot was taken in March 1977, and it was my first cover shot for HVWs... June 1977 issue. KS, you should post the shot of the chop top towing Mike O'Neill's black sedan behind it...


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: dougmische on November 16, 2008, 02:37:42 am
Another Deano production.... total chaos behind the camera! That is a great photo, and it looks so easy when the photo is done. I remember that day well. That park is right off the 57 freeway, off the Imperial exit. We did that without permission, no permits, no nothing! Today, we would be thrown in jail...

They'd have to catch us first... ;D


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: dougmische on November 16, 2008, 02:38:57 am
Big deal.... it's a transparency (slide), guys.  When you look at it from one side, it's the front of the cars, and when you flip it over, it's the BACK of the cars.....  sheeeeeeesh ::) ;D

LOL  What a maroon!


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: speedwell on November 16, 2008, 22:50:43 pm
waouwww great picture keith  8)


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: Fastbrit on November 16, 2008, 23:25:26 pm
waouwww great picture keith  8)
Thought you'd like it Fabs!  ;D


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: Lee.C on November 16, 2008, 23:26:21 pm
its just one of those things that ALWAYS buggered me about that shot  ::) :) I am a virgin its in my nature aparently.
That figures... :D

Hey I only just notice that  >:( >:( >:( ;) :)


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: speedwell on November 17, 2008, 22:16:50 pm
who owned the beige one  ,the one with the hubcab ,at the left of  mike o'neill 67  ??? ???


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: dougmische on November 17, 2008, 22:28:41 pm
who owned the beige one  ,the one with the hubcab ,at the left of  mike o'neill 67  ??? ???

Are you talking about the beige Bug in the rear? 

If so, I think that car belonged to Marty Arriola.  As of a few years ago, he had a VW repair shop on Dyer Road in Santa Ana, CA.


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: nicolas on November 17, 2008, 22:51:58 pm
Ok i maybe pushing it a bit, but if possible some people could post some more info on those cars and off course specs  ;D


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: Lee.C on November 17, 2008, 22:55:41 pm
Ok i maybe pushing it a bit, but if possible some people could post some more info on those cars and off course specs  ;D

Glad you asked cos I was about to  ;) :)


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: speedwell on November 17, 2008, 22:56:26 pm
who owned the beige one  ,the one with the hubcab ,at the left of  mike o'neill 67  ??? ???

Are you talking about the beige Bug in the rear? 

If so, I think that car belonged to Marty Arriola.  As of a few years ago, he had a VW repair shop on Dyer Road in Santa Ana, CA.
thx doug  we know  the most popular car in the dkp II like
al jr martinez chop top
keith goss  chop top
roger crago  kg
mike billing red 67
your kg
mike o'neill 67
randy welch red ragtop
mike martinez yellow 67
Bill Rodgers and Bill DeMoss kg
harvey rosenthal burgundy red66


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: dougmische on November 17, 2008, 23:30:23 pm
Ok i maybe pushing it a bit, but if possible some people could post some more info on those cars and off course specs  ;D

WOW.  I can't help much, and this 55 year old brain [56 years tomorrow] forgets more stuff every day...  Damn bong.

Mike O'Neill had a 1700 with Fumio heads and a 140 Engle, and this car ripped.  It ran in the 12's and beat lots of cars with bigger motors.  I remember Mike ran very tight 3rd and 4th ratios with a 4.37.  Nobody that raced him would ever believe it was only a 1700.

Ron Greiner's car [to the right of O'Neill's] ran a 78.4x92 with a 125 Engle, but I don't know whose heads.  Mike and Ron were always racing each other for position on the Top 10 board.  Ron broke so many transaxles that he earned the nickname "Grenade".  He still has a vanity plate on his truck that reads "Grinade".

I think Ron had the biggest motor in the Club until I built a 84x90.5 for my Ghia.  It had an Engle 130, and 44x37.5 heads with big ports, done by a guy named Stu Thomas, who had formerly worked for John Crawford, older brother of none other than Roger Crawford.  I'd love to find those heads, but I know Roger can make a set that's even better.

Mark Mallinckrodt [he always said I was the only one who could ever spell his name, except for him and his brother], white '67 European in front of O'Neill's, ran a 1700 with 42's and a 110, and he was always trying to see if he could get 40 mpg.  He was fanatical about it.  He drove that car like a 90 year-old without a license, until somebody wanted to race, and then he drove like a 16 year-old without a license. He built a plexi dash for his car that was mirrored, and when the sun came in just right, it would blind you.

Don Metz owned the brown car to the left of Mark's and he ran a 1600 with a 110, if I'm remembering right.

Ghias up front were mine and Roger Grago's on the left, and Bill Rodgers' and Bill DeMoss' on the right.  Roger ran a 1776 with 42's and later 48's, with a 120 and ported heads.  That car always ran very well, especially for a Ghia.  Can't remember what Rodgers' and DeMoss' cars had.

Everybody knows about Keith Goss' choptop I think, but for those that don't it was a 84x90.5 with heads done at FAT Performance [possibly by Keith himself] and 48's.  Keith Seume remembers the engine stats better than I can, since he bought the car from Keith Goss.  Keith [Goss] was never really officially in the club, but that was his choice.  He always ran with us and we always considered him a member anyway.

Most of the guys ran 1700's or 1776's because strokers were expensive, and we were almost all poor.  Lots of the guys started with 42's and switched to 48's later.  Popular cam choices were Engle 120, 125, and 130's.  Cannot remember anybody running anything else.  Except Nutty O'Neill.  Don't think anybody ran a ratio rocker cam, but I could be wrong.

Sorry if this isn't what you were looking for, but if we can dredge some of the car owners up, we can ask 'em.

Doug Mische


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: speedwell on November 17, 2008, 23:36:22 pm
thx for the info doug  ;)


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: Jim Ratto on November 18, 2008, 19:39:58 pm
Ok i maybe pushing it a bit, but if possible some people could post some more info on those cars and off course specs  ;D

WOW.  I can't help much, and this 55 year old brain [56 years tomorrow] forgets more stuff every day...  Damn bong.

Mike O'Neill had a 1700 with Fumio heads and a 140 Engle, and this car ripped.  It ran in the 12's and beat lots of cars with bigger motors.  I remember Mike ran very tight 3rd and 4th ratios with a 4.37.  Nobody that raced him would ever believe it was only a 1700.

Ron Greiner's car [to the right of O'Neill's] ran a 78.4x92 with a 125 Engle, but I don't know whose heads.  Mike and Ron were always racing each other for position on the Top 10 board.  Ron broke so many transaxles that he earned the nickname "Grenade".  He still has a vanity plate on his truck that reads "Grinade".

I think Ron had the biggest motor in the Club until I built a 84x90.5 for my Ghia.  It had an Engle 130, and 44x37.5 heads with big ports, done by a guy named Stu Thomas, who had formerly worked for John Crawford, older brother of none other than Roger Crawford.  I'd love to find those heads, but I know Roger can make a set that's even better.

Mark Mallinckrodt [he always said I was the only one who could ever spell his name, except for him and his brother], white '67 European in front of O'Neill's, ran a 1700 with 42's and a 110, and he was always trying to see if he could get 40 mpg.  He was fanatical about it.  He drove that car like a 90 year-old without a license, until somebody wanted to race, and then he drove like a 16 year-old without a license. He built a plexi dash for his car that was mirrored, and when the sun came in just right, it would blind you.

Don Metz owned the brown car to the left of Mark's and he ran a 1600 with a 110, if I'm remembering right.

Ghias up front were mine and Roger Grago's on the left, and Bill Rodgers' and Bill DeMoss' on the right.  Roger ran a 1776 with 42's and later 48's, with a 120 and ported heads.  That car always ran very well, especially for a Ghia.  Can't remember what Rodgers' and DeMoss' cars had.

Everybody knows about Keith Goss' choptop I think, but for those that don't it was a 84x90.5 with heads done at FAT Performance [possibly by Keith himself] and 48's.  Keith Seume remembers the engine stats better than I can, since he bought the car from Keith Goss.  Keith [Goss] was never really officially in the club, but that was his choice.  He always ran with us and we always considered him a member anyway.

Most of the guys ran 1700's or 1776's because strokers were expensive, and we were almost all poor.  Lots of the guys started with 42's and switched to 48's later.  Popular cam choices were Engle 120, 125, and 130's.  Cannot remember anybody running anything else.  Except Nutty O'Neill.  Don't think anybody ran a ratio rocker cam, but I could be wrong.

Sorry if this isn't what you were looking for, but if we can dredge some of the car owners up, we can ask 'em.

Doug Mische

That's quite a memory Doug. I can't remember that much about the motor in my car right now.  ::)


Cool info.... I'm a sponge for all these old details on who's heads, which cam, etc.

see ya soon,
Jim


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: nicolas on November 18, 2008, 20:48:46 pm
all i can say is THANK YOU!!!  :-*


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: bilboa2 on November 25, 2008, 05:08:43 am
hi, bill rodgers here with 70 black ghia,soon sold to ron griener and then bought "THE" aronson/holmes ORIGINAL CAL-LOOK rag car...A few notes, bill demoss ghia had a 1835 with engle 140,w/48idas, yellow car on far left was my friend rod wagner from orange(1700 /40 webers), not a dkp member like goss. rod later bought "beckers paint" daughter's debbie beautiful black oval with centerlines.Randy welch's red rag had a 1700 w/40webs, light car, hauled butt.Kieth goss hds as i remember where done by fumio and told to do as big as possible without welding...84 okrasa x 90.5 w/engle 110 cam on most of my passenger time memories..He had 912 rods,lost one and i believe then sold car to fast brit..??? Great times with HUGE vw rallies in the 70's.I remember mike o'nieil buying the black 67 with 1700 48's -deanos etc for $ 2500 at a bug in, maybe drag day..big welded heads, engle 140. He lived near me and came by w/slicks on most of the time.enough for now....DAM, I WISH I WENT TO DOUGS !!!!  great pics..


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: Rennsurfer on November 25, 2008, 05:13:43 am
Don Metz owned the brown car to the left of Mark's and he ran a 1600 with a 110, if I'm remembering right.

I believe that you're correct, Doug. Also... last I checked, Don still has the car. He lives near me, so I suppose I should go and find out.


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: bilboa2 on November 25, 2008, 05:25:53 am
and.... yes that is don metz' 68. still owns car. Wants to sell it too. Far right orange car was jimmy harris,also non dkp, friend of mike martinez, santa ana crowd,One of the first car with alloys .White truck w/ shell was my dads, can't remember how it got there too.1973 454..fast. Went in it or tried, to a dkp meeting at mike dumphies house, got caught racing and taken to jail...Still not much smarter...bill


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: Rennsurfer on November 25, 2008, 05:34:43 am
WOW! I'm surprised... I thought Don would never part with the '68. Any idea how much he's asking? That car was built over thirty years ago... SUCH a great piece of Cal Look history.


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: Sarge on November 25, 2008, 06:06:53 am
hi, bill rodgers here with 70 black ghia,soon sold to ron griener and then bought "THE" aronson/holmes ORIGINAL CAL-LOOK rag car...A few notes, bill demoss ghia had a 1835 with engle 140,w/48idas, yellow car on far left was my friend rod wagner from orange(1700 /40 webers), not a dkp member like goss. rod later bought "beckers paint" daughter's debbie beautiful black oval with centerlines.Randy welch's red rag had a 1700 w/40webs, light car, hauled butt.Kieth goss hds as i remember where done by fumio and told to do as big as possible without welding...84 okrasa x 90.5 w/engle 110 cam on most of my passenger time memories..He had 912 rods,lost one and i believe then sold car to fast brit..??? Great times with HUGE vw rallies in the 70's.I remember mike o'nieil buying the black 67 with 1700 48's -deanos etc for $ 2500 at a bug in, maybe drag day..big welded heads, engle 140. He lived near me and came by w/slicks on most of the time.enough for now....DAM, I WISH I WENT TO DOUGS !!!!  great pics..



Ummmmm.....  Debbie Becker :o :-* ;D  Hi ya, Bill glad to see you here...this is the place to be!  You need to leave "Dannyland" and move back to SoCal.


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: 181 on November 25, 2008, 15:43:01 pm
found a front view via google..

(http://blogsimages.skynet.be/images/002/680/812_f9c70a0de977412ed2d804a53ce3df0e.jpg)


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: speedwell on November 25, 2008, 16:08:39 pm
welcome to the lounge bill  , that's the place to be

rgd
fabs


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: Jim Ratto on November 26, 2008, 01:09:53 am
Welcome Bill, yeah we missed you @ the party. Get your motor running? Figure out your cam timing?
Thanks for the details and stories, us young punks live for the stuff.


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: bilboa2 on November 26, 2008, 01:55:55 am
thanks for the welcome , well ratto, got my clyde 44x37.5 hds back from local head guru in reno.He did a beautiful job on  certi (sp?) serti  machine valve job. blended ports around seats etc. The word is up to 10 per cent better flow over hand valve job..  flow.. K-roc?? Had 4 broken inner springs, less than 1k on them.put a set of berg heat treated double throw downs in.620 lift with my berg 1 5.4's.. measured coil bind, chased keepers, ready to put hds on. 88x94 fk46, 50 deck, 9.5 comp. hope to dyno friday.bill  oh yeah, the curse.. 4600 elevation..


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: deano on November 26, 2008, 06:51:43 am
hi, bill rodgers here with 70 black ghia,soon sold to ron griener and then bought "THE" aronson/holmes ORIGINAL CAL-LOOK rag car...A few notes, bill demoss ghia had a 1835 with engle 140,w/48idas, yellow car on far left was my friend rod wagner from orange(1700 /40 webers), not a dkp member like goss. rod later bought "beckers paint" daughter's debbie beautiful black oval with centerlines.Randy welch's red rag had a 1700 w/40webs, light car, hauled butt.Kieth goss hds as i remember where done by fumio and told to do as big as possible without welding...84 okrasa x 90.5 w/engle 110 cam on most of my passenger time memories..He had 912 rods,lost one and i believe then sold car to fast brit..??? Great times with HUGE vw rallies in the 70's.I remember mike o'nieil buying the black 67 with 1700 48's -deanos etc for $ 2500 at a bug in, maybe drag day..big welded heads, engle 140. He lived near me and came by w/slicks on most of the time.enough for now....DAM, I WISH I WENT TO DOUGS !!!!  great pics..
Ummmmm.....  Debbie Becker :o :-* ;D  Hi ya, Bill glad to see you here...this is the place to be!  You need to leave "Dannyland" and move back to SoCal.

I remember Debbie Becker as well. She brought her black sedan over to Brad's Upholstery to have the interior done. Brad did the seats in black vinyl with a white/gray/black plaid inserts with gray carpeting. She was nice!



Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: Roger Grago on November 26, 2008, 08:40:51 am

Debbie Becker, yep she was fine!  As I recall Keith Goss went out with her for a while?  Bill you'd know better than I would.  You should have been at Doug's Saturday!

All the best!

Roger


Title: Re: Reverse view of a famous photo...
Post by: empicolector on November 26, 2008, 10:40:31 am
WELCOME roger