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have any of you chaps seen this one yet?

you will have to sale your cars and parts collections to afford it, but it is a cool item.

Si.

here it is for you lazy guys  ;)

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=392558

wow.....thats a lot of money!

very cool piece though......

woohoo??? 2500$   ???

its well cool and i think a current dkp members car should wear it

quite a price it is!

but what kind of "unfaithful" member could get away with his selling his badge?
i'd think it's the holy grail for them real dkp1 members...

but then... who am i to judge that  ;)

and in this and 6 months it will be available in repro  ;D

 :D :D many a true word said in jest dude  :D :D

Hmmmmmmm.........

:o ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Frank

I'm sure you wouldn't need an original to start popping out repros... just some artwork.

I dunno if it worse that someone would sell that for $2500 or somebody would actually pay $2500 for it.

Well i think it would look shit hot on top of the ex Keith Goss Chop a DKP1 car, even at $ 2500............................. but i do agree it would be madness to pay this but hay ho you cant take it with you.........................

Russell

Then someone starts pumping out replicas ;D

go on russell!

Did that car have one of those badges originally?

I think you should think it over carefully Russell
yes I could easily do a reproduction, in limited run and for not much money
so could everybody with a little eye for business
BUT I think biggest question is would you put $2.500 on your car or in your safe at home ?
and yes it's a one of a kind rare piece of history
subject to a lot of discussion I guess

That's crazy money... but it's not sold yet!
Reproducing the badge, sticker, etc. would be a copyright infringement, as DKP owns the right to the name/logo (yes, we paid a substantial amount of money to avoid this type of situation!)
Stephan

USD rate to the £ today is 1.974 and rising !!!!!!!!!


Russell


P.s.. Gunter, Im looking for a 1957 30hp 1200 Manifold can you help ?

I dont think it would be correct for the Goss choptop. The Goss chop came around after that badge was made (if the given info is accurate). If I was the lucky owner of the chop, and had the coin to throw at that badge, I might buy it, but I wouldnt install it on that car. Just my .02 ;)

First of all, the badge belongs on the bonnet of a DKP-car from "the day", so why the hell is it up for sale?

And, it would be absolutely luidicrous to put a 2500$ badge on a car that has nothing to do with the ones mentioned above!

But, if someone's nuts enogh to pay the price I'll applaud him, and the seller. Good luck.

I agree Zach - but the reason I wouldn't put it on that car is that it never had one, and it's pretty much exactly how it was in '76 - bar the engine and paint after the paint reacted during the journey between California and the UK in the container back in late 1993/early '94.
The badge which is for sale from the DKP 1 era.
If you look in the book California Look VW by Keith Seume you'll see Arnie Mohlman's '67 still has one, Mark Thruber's car had one, Ron Fleming's Oval had one, Aronson's '62 had one, Craig Foster's Squareback panelvan had one on the front.
Dave mason has the second type - the enamelled one - on his '62 and that's about it.
I have the same one as is for sale on the samba  which I got many, many years ago from Bill Schwimmer and I'd say it was one of the rarest VW related  items ever. Period.
The only things I own which are anything like as important to me are the four DKP T-shirts I have been presented with over the years by Hector Bonilla.

I saw an original DKP t-shirt for sale at Spa - Le Bug Show, fasded yellow shirt - €500!

Firstly if my advisor is correct (thanks Ivan), I have made a mistake the Chop was DKP2 car not 1, DKP ended in 72 and DKP 2 started in approx 75/76.

So your all right the badge would be wrong on the Chop........ So ill stick it in my pocket instead !

Sorry to upset / offend anybody.

I was so excited that i might have a chance to own such a special badge that my history and brain failed.

Sorry.

keeping it in your pocket is a decent idea, but tracking down a dkp1 car to put it on sounds like much more fun!

Well.................. im already on the DKP 1 car case !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ohh... a bright white one I hope Russell!!

if only dude  ;D I have heard a few rumors over the years though :-\

Sorry but its not white..............

this could take a while, wheres the Keith Seume book when you need it....

Guys

Have tried all week to make contact with Hebman and having no luck, does anyone know him or is this a con !

Russell

Russell, is hey the guy out of Texas or am I confusing him with someone else?

Yes

Hebman from Houston, Texas, you know him ?

Russell

very sad thing someone sold that badge with all its meaning. :'(
very sad if someone would buy and put on a car.
a badge is not a badge, a badge is your honour of being member of a club.....of your being man.
if u sell a badge u sell a piece of your life.....and in my opinion......if a part of your life have 2500 dollars value u are a poor man.....
but u are even more poor if u pretend to buy an honour of club member with only 2500 dollars....
tht what i think......i hope i offended no one. nothing personal.....

i get what you mean, and i agree... (sort of cos) perhaps he really is strapped for cash  ;)

Come on guys the badge is cool but surely its about the cars from that era rather than the badge from that era....thats what inspires me anyway....

Rare it may be and I agree it should be on a DKP1 car....otherwise its just an expensive trinket

definitely, that's why i'd never buy it

Well Guys..............

I am offended.

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very sad thing someone sold that badge with all its meaning.
very sad if someone would buy and put on a car.
a badge is not a badge, a badge is your honour of being member of a club.....of your being man.
if u sell a badge u sell a piece of your life.....and in my opinion......if a part of your life have 2500 dollars value u are a poor man.....
but u are even more poor if u pretend to buy an honour of club member "

Bullitt


I would like the badge for Nostaliga reasons it is after all the club that really focused on our hobbie in the begining. I do not want
to pretend to buy an honour of club member ! I would like to have this as a additon to my collection that hopefully i can share with others who also love our hobbie but maybe are less fortunate than me and may never have the chance to see one.

Heres a thought ! With medical expenses being what they are in the states maybe the guy needs the money for himself or for his family !

As you may know i recently aquired Deans lowrys Salt lake flat car and his 100 pts tropy form 1966, this was puchased from his Daughter and Son in law, and the money was being used to try and make Mark have a longer healthier life if possible ! i hope it has because within 2 days on him getting the cash he was at the hospital ! I never collected the car for about 3 weeks after he got home.

So before you judge why someone sells something you should know the facts, and if some one can afford to buy it regardless of the cost so be it.

Im quite sure DKP1 never allowed members in because they had money, it was on there car and their attitude. NO DPK1 member ever would have likely paid $ 2500.00 for there car or the BRMS, but we spend more than this on our engines and paint jobs WHY ? becuase we like it.

Russell

If you got the money and you like it I think you should buy it. It is better that it is on a real DKP car than in a drawer someware collecting dust.

Russell, buy it !!! Not many genuine enthusiasts would have the opportunity to , and we all know it would be a genuine enthusiast that will have bought it. Never to be sold again.  ;) Then stick it on the DKP1 CAR AND KICK ASS !!!  Good luck.

sure russ, do what u want with your money, and i tell what i want, they call  it free world.  :-*
but don't tell me that behind every ebay auction there is a dying child. i believe tht maybe someone have real problems and i respect them....but nearly one hundred percent of time the health problem is only droolin' for money.....
the very bad thing would be that badge would go on the wrong car......
i didn't consider tht could go on a glass window......and i have to say tht would be better......but......the only thing to consider is to sstay on a dkp car......
if i would be  a dkp member i would try to convince other dkps to buy the badge all togheter..........this thing wuold save situation.

I agree the wrong car would be bad, but as you say it is a free world. And i also agree about the ebay auction thing.

Unfortunatly there is not a string of DKP1 cars for the badge to go on ! Fitting the badge on a DKP 2 or 3 cars would also be wrong if you like perfection, but what if it was fitted to a replica of a DKP car or fitted to car built with the orignal Cal Look Style at heart would this be wrong ?

I now know of another badge fitted to a non DKP car, but it looks good and the car looks right, does this make it wrong ?

We all copy the history 48's, BRM's, Big Engines, etc

The worst that could happen is that someone makes mass copies and then we all pay 10 euros for a copy and every car has one........

Also if my previous post has offended you. I am truly sorry, I love the cars and love the people that are involved, Im glad we are all different and if i am lucky enought to get the badge, I assure you it will be treasured, I also promise not to use it on the wrong car.

Russell

Know of him, that's about it. Never dealt with him

don't worry russ, :D :D i am not offended....but i realize tht as u said we are all so different :o :o!!!!!!! and not only about cars......i see that u nordic guys have a very quiet relaxed way of talkin lol.......here in italy we have different way of talking!!!!! just so firy 8).......and little cathegoric  >:(....but it's just our way ;)......dunno if it is a nice thing or bad ???.....maybe depends from each situation :)......if u go on our forum on www.maggiolino.it    people want to shot u or punch u down ten times a day...but we are all alive hahahahaha
anyway, russ, i hope we will meet at bug in and have a beer..... :D


my idea is that when you copy a weber ida or a brm wheel you are copying a technical thing that you need to make a car and you are authorized to.....
but when u copy a badge ( and i can bet that dkps are not happy for this and everyone knows) well......this is a different thing and i'm sure that go on explaing is not necessary.

only place where that badge would be good ( as u say no more dkp i cars are alive to put it on) is the room of dkp.

and last thing: as u said this is a very important piece of story, but not story of everbody like 48s, this is a story of few people that at that time wanted to be very exclusive and controlled that people getting in their little big club were only right ones (remember admission tests).   so u cuoldn't buy club entrance in 70s.......the only way was to be accepted, to be cool.
without the club living and judging......to have that badge is no value......
this is my opinion russ..

see u soon at tht bug in....with or without the plate!!!!!!

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which car is that on? do you know? cheers richie,uk

Henri Oelker's '66, Russel Sakatani's '67, Allen Wiess's '67???

Let us know, Richie...!!!

Frank

all too new,the latest 1 has dkp111 on it and I cant see that on there[hey my eyesight is bad though] cheers richie,uk

Sorry, I have to dissapoint you guys, don't have an idea where it's on...
I thought about Allen Wiess's car too, maybe before the crash?

The original hood badge we had made was rather flat and looks almost very dark brown in color...much like Richie's picture.  The latter ones we had produced a year or two ago are domed (like an MG Mitten car badge) and are dark blue in color.  Art Alvarez (DKPI) had the latest badges produced for us.  His supplier made a couple of black badges, too....the rarest of the rare.  I have one of these black badges which I'm donating to Dean Kirsten if he decides to "hole" his hood!  8)

Sarge, I will drill whatever holes are needed for that badge! Hell, I have shaved, filled, welded, patched every dang hole, slot, thread, grille, you can think of already. I just need a pattern for those two badge holes. We're getting close to paint..... Old School all the way! Deano

Hi Sarge,did the latest ones not have dkp111 on them then? was that just my imagination?dam I am getting past it :)  cheers richie,uk

Hi Sarge,did the latest ones not have dkp111 on them then? was that just my imagination?dam I am getting past it :)  cheers richie,uk

Hey Richie...No DKPIII badge that I know of.  The only other one we haven't discussed yet is the badge DKP II had made.  Dave Mason has one of these on the hood of his car that he bought years ago from Ron Greiner (Dave Greiner's brother) for $100.  I think Doug Mische has one of these on his 67 as well.  Wish I had a pic for you...it's a cool piece!

Deano...I will "try" to remember to bring your badge to work tomorrow...give me a call to make sure I remembered!

Found these two pics on my computer..

Here Ya go Sarge... ;)

Frank

Thank's, Frank!  I can see a digital camara in my near future...LOL!  That DAS badge is VERY NICE, too!

sweet! from what time area is that last one?

Thanxs Sarge,

The DAS Bagde is an Old Badge the Germans Received when they took Insurance from DAS...

Our Club does not have Bonnet Badges like DKP, but the one from the Insurance company that i have is cool because it does not have any other Writings on it, like they normally have and it's exactly the sice of a VW Badge, due to the Flashlight the Blue Color is alot Lighter than in Reallity... ;)

Frank

More Old Guys... :P ;) ;D ;D ;D

Frank

More DAS Badges... ;)

Frank

watch out -- or this forum will become a place for old people  ;) hahah

nice DAS badges frank -- i sold a NOS one not that long ago - i specially like the french one -- you don't see 'm often

Lucky! I had to get mine the old fashion way. ;D ;D

I know there were dkp lll badges, because damen and pep had them on their cars a few years ago.

Lucky! I had to get mine the old fashion way. ;D ;D

Hey...I smell a new guy  ;D!   Welcome to the Lounge, Steve Niendorf!!

Thanks Jim! My back side is still a little sore from this purchase...hoping the badge should arrive today. ;D ;D

hi there Steve.....hope all's well with you.....how about some sneaky shots of that car of yours?

It's all good...thanks Jick. Sorry, going to have to wait until Dean Kirsten gets done in that dept.  Got that secret dash plaque mounted?? ;)

Steve saw you picked up that badge, lucky git

Steve

Did you get the badge as the seller never returned my mails ? if so well done.

I had given up on the badge because the seller neve replied, so am delighted that someone has got it,

It will be a treasure, love it, keep it, Cal Look It..........................

Russell

OOOOHHHH    YYYEEAA! Thanks.

Got it.....for my collection only.

IMHO, yes. It's like running around with the club badges in the window of your car, when you're not a member. That's why DKP had 'sponsor' T-shirts printed so they could be worn by people who appreciate what the club stands for without pretending to be members. And why member's decals are (generally) scratched from a car when it's sold. I admire everything the DAS and DFL guys have done for the European scene, but i wouldn't dream of putting their club badges or decals on a car of mine (if i had one worthy of it!) unless I was lucky enough to be a member. But then that's just me!  ;D

Hmmm,

Nice... ;) ;D ;D ;D

Frank

Keith

Are you suggesting that i should scrape the stickers from Arnies 67 ?

Russell

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hey KS do they allow 911s in DKP now ?
 ;D :P ;D

Would you think of wearing a Hell's Angels jacket with out being a member?  ;D

Ask Roger Grago, Jim Holmes, Ron Fleming...  ;D

That was up to Arnie... ;) ;D

I personally think Arnie wants to keep the legend DKP I on this car, otherwise he wouldn't have sold it to Russell, everybody knows the car will reside at a caring home, with a big heart for DKP and the spirit

I think self abuse may have effected my eyesight , but I'm sure it reads ' VOLKSWAGEN CLUB ' on the bottom of that badge  ;D ;D :P ;)

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Keith

I think when this car or any car was running its day and a member of the club the removal of the stickers would have been correct, but in 2006 when they are now collectors items the stickers are part of the memory. Removing them removes the character i think.

These were likely to be removed in the day only when the member or car were not up top scratch, but the club does not exsist as was and therefore this should not be a problem ?

Russell

I agree Russell. I say the badge and stickers stay.

I agree.. it is all part of the car's character and history. Keep it as is...

I agree – in this case the decals should stay.

I think everyone's got the wrong end of the stick here. What I can't understand are people who are not club members buying badges/decals and putting them on their car and pretending. If someone hasn't been asked to join, they shouldn't pretend they have. There are plenty of other clubs out there!

Does that include us ?

You may have heard of us , we are the ' JG54 GRUNHERZ '  :P

As acknowledged by Russell Ritchie !  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)

Merry Christmas one and all  :)

Oh and by the way , ours is a ' Volkswagen Only ' Club  ;) 8)

 ...I suppose the difference is that the DKP is as much about the PERSON as it is the car.. it's the Member. So if he/she(!) decides to put a club sticker/badge on one of their other cars... that's up to them..  whether its another VW, a Porsche, an Audi, an Allegro...  :D

As member of the AA you should be very careful, especially at this time of the year!

It only takes a couple of drinks before you're over the limit. ;)

Happy christmas one and all.

The other AA club has a new T-shirt!

Awesome Allegros!

Mmmmm Allegros.... ;D

Happy Christmas, Ivan!

And congratulations, too.  :)

Keith

Thanks, the wrong end of the stick is easy on forums !

As you know i love the cars and the History, thats whats is all about, not which club i wish i was in because its cool !
A club is like a family, you should be appreaciated and appreciate others.

Peter

How could I not know about your club, the line ups at volksworld show, the 6 cars that went to DDD4 and the awesome Black Oval from "Irish Guy" ? My personal fav.

Russell

Cheers Russell , coming from someone such as yourself , with a truckload ( quite literally mate ( in a Smashie & Nicey style voice ) ) of high quality Cal-Look machinery , that means a lot !

We had the club meal last night , and we are all excited about next year , and looking forward to making it a top Cal-Look year of events , racing and general larking about , but most importantly driving the cars !!

 

Sorry , but there's only room for one moviestar in our club , and his names Mortimer , Steve Mortimer ! 8)

 :) ;)

OK, let's see his Equity card! ;D

It ain't his equity card you wana see ! , I didn't tell you what kind of film's he's a moviestar in  :o ;D

I won't be driving anything today, I don't think it would be safe  :o

Kick Mark so he finds that blog for me will you Pete  ;)

just kick mark period....drunken loon,offering out the fine custodians of the law outside dennis,s,armed only with a champagne bottle,luckily they realised he was only a norwegian oompa loompa,and didn,t nick him. ;D ;D ;D on the badge deal,good luck to whoever got it,but it can,t buy the memories,that go with it,clubs are about the people,the racing, the driving ,and the crack,I look at my car and it makes me smile.I drive my car ,and it makes me smile more,I drive it with the other guys,and it feels even better(even if I,m at the back with the baby 2007 :P)like Pierre said at last nights' club meal ,a really diverse bunch of people from all walks of life,from a 200 mile radius,all making the effort to get together.not in sunny So Cal.in but freezing cold southsea.Lookers...you gotta luv 'em......good christmas all....the old un
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