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Title: VW38 found Post by: alex d on February 04, 2009, 10:32:11 am http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=340552&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
:o :o just needs a bit of TLC ;D Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: Lids on February 04, 2009, 10:39:28 am here you go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-n-jZJhpT4 Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: Fastbrit on February 04, 2009, 11:23:39 am Unbelievable find! I hope it ends up in the right hands - someone who will do the resto justice. :o
Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: alex d on February 04, 2009, 11:37:38 am Unbelievable find! I hope it ends up in the right hands - someone who will do the resto justice. :o wait, I think I have an unused VW38 chassis and a spare 985cc engine somewhere... ;D or some hoodrider could just slam it LOL Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: WCB Hitler's Hot Rod on February 04, 2009, 11:38:42 am KDF's are going for about $200,000 and up right now...wonder what the oldest VW in a private collection is worth? $$$$$$$$
Looks like, just the decklid, doors and shell are MAYBE a VW38 but still how cool would that be to own? 8) I say restore the car to its original state.. as it once was as a prototype IF that is really a VW38. Cool story. Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: vwcab on February 04, 2009, 12:11:29 pm That is unbelievable, :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: kev d on February 04, 2009, 12:22:14 pm Thats an amazing find :o
Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: ESH on February 04, 2009, 13:57:50 pm Cool find, it'll be interesting to see what becomes of it. 8)
Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: Lids on February 04, 2009, 14:07:43 pm its got to be worth the equivalent of Lithuania's GDP!
Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: beetletom on February 04, 2009, 18:07:24 pm 8)
Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: bugnut68 on February 04, 2009, 20:36:38 pm That poor poor car... I hope it gets the treatment it deserves in the hands of the right owner! That rear window is really...eh... something else, yeah, that's it! ;D
Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: Lee.C on February 04, 2009, 21:12:21 pm what! No one thinks it would look cool running on a set of BRM's with a Monster motor hanging out the back ;) :)
Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: Speed-Randy on February 04, 2009, 21:27:37 pm pair of ida's, polished alloys( I refuse to call them Fuchs), and lower the front, nuff said
Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: Tony M on February 04, 2009, 22:39:44 pm But looking at the pictures why is there vent wings and not 1pc windows ? Leaf spring's on the rear ? Check out the arms for the running boards ? Something does not look right - or is it just me ?
Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: speedwell on February 04, 2009, 23:00:56 pm the door handle look like ghia units ::)
Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: . on February 04, 2009, 23:09:35 pm If you guys would actually READ the article, you would find out the car was updated with parts from a "Volga" to keep it running over the years.
::) It is an incredible find. I hope it gets the restoration it deserves. :o Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: Tony M on February 04, 2009, 23:56:02 pm If you guys would actually READ the article, you would find out the car was updated with parts from a "Volga" to keep it running over the years. ::) It is an incredible find. I hope it gets the restoration it deserves. :o My bad - What is a Volga ? Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: ian c on February 05, 2009, 00:23:16 am its another word for vagina .
Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: ian c on February 05, 2009, 00:24:17 am oh no , sorry , thats vulva i was thinking of .
a volga is a russian car . Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: WhiteTrash on February 05, 2009, 00:34:53 am If you guys would actually READ the article, you would find out the car was updated with parts from a "Volga" to keep it running over the years. ::) It is an incredible find. I hope it gets the restoration it deserves. :o My bad - What is a Volga ? Three different generations of Wolga made by GAZ (http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k148/autobutcher/551190.jpg) (http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k148/autobutcher/800px-Wolga_GAZ_24_Volkspolizei.jpg) (http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k148/autobutcher/800px-Police_cars_near_Nizhny_Novgo.jpg) Sorry I love all old cars and think they should be on the road but if it is, there is about as much of a 1938 VW left on that thing as there is Queen's English in the American language of today. :o Best thing to do is repair the engine lid, hang it on the wall and scrap the rest. Or are all early VW parts collectors in the world going to unite to make and resurect one car and then go into joint ownership and a car share scheme to halve the traffic queues during rush hour? ??? ??? Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: plasticblack on February 06, 2009, 19:49:08 pm I'm English, but live in Hungary currently.
I'm constantly seeing cars of all types (including VW's) that have been cobbled together from other cars and have a selection of panels from various years attached. It's hard to say what is original on a great deal of these cars any longer and what found it's way on at a later stage. Truth is over here they never throw anything away that could be bodged onto something and turn a buck on it... It's true that this is a great find in any case and wouldn't it be fantastic if it did prove to be what we all hope it is? We'll have to wait and see. Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: Prowagen on February 07, 2009, 02:41:21 am Scrap! Honestly in my opinion if it was restored (Which would be quite a task if it is such a white elephant) only 1% would be original so it looses all the rareity and kudos, might as well be a wizard roadster. ;)
Rob. Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: Ohio Tom (DdK) on February 07, 2009, 05:47:10 am Anything can be restored if someone wants it bad enough...
I read about a dude that built a Lamborgini Diablo... 100% from scratch.. by hand... in his basement. All hand formed panels. Countless hours of labor. It's possible if someone's got the desire... Or money.... It is sure quite a find. Maybe the good panels could be grafted into a little later car just to display the unique features. But, that would mean chopping up a good early car... It's really sad that it got chopped so much over the years, but I also know that's the only way it survived this long. Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: plasticblack on February 07, 2009, 09:53:42 am Anything can be restored, but as some have pointed out, what remains of the authentic vehicle at the end can be pretty debatable as to the integrity of the end product.
That said I would prefer to see anything as significant as this possibly is, being given back to Volkswagen themselves and entrusting them with any restoration work and what would be acceptable to them... After all they would be able to do all the research far easier and be in the best position to decide on what can be achieved in terms of repairs. This car possibly being the oldest genuine link to thier heritage should mean they would have a massive interest in being involved. Is there any restorer out there that would want to be responsible for the Crown Jewels of Volkswagen history being badly repaired.... If I found a potential Van Gogh painting, do you think I would give it to my local picture framers to restore??? I don't think so................. Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: Fastbrit on February 07, 2009, 10:18:06 am Giving it to VW to restore would be the worst fate for this car. Take a look at how bad the early cars in the museum are... In my experience, VW's 'expert' knowledge is seriously lacking.
I'd vote for Trauhott and Christian Grundmann (Hessich-Oldendorf organisers and major-league collectors/restorers). There is no argument that this car, if it proves to be a VW38 (and I believe it is) must be restored one way or the other. Externally, the rear window and windshield surround are the only major problem areas but can hardly be considered insurmountable problems. Beneath that, well, there are plenty of KdF parts available these days (they are no longer the real rarity they used to be) and the end result would be a pretty accurate rebuild/recreation/restoration of a historically very significant car. Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: ian c on February 07, 2009, 12:46:52 pm Anything can be restored, but as some have pointed out, what remains of the authentic vehicle at the end can be pretty debatable as to the integrity of the end product. i agree .That said I would prefer to see anything as significant as this possibly is, being given back to Volkswagen themselves and entrusting them with any restoration work and what would be acceptable to them... After all they would be able to do all the research far easier and be in the best position to decide on what can be achieved in terms of repairs. This car possibly being the oldest genuine link to thier heritage should mean they would have a massive interest in being involved. Is there any restorer out there that would want to be responsible for the Crown Jewels of Volkswagen history being badly repaired.... If I found a potential Van Gogh painting, do you think I would give it to my local picture framers to restore??? I don't think so................. . would look good with passat wheels on ;D vw themselves would not be the best place for this car , as kieth pointed out ... in fact , they have been selling resto projects from the museum last year Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: speedwell on February 07, 2009, 21:31:04 pm which parts is missing ???....................... ::) ::) oh here's one to put on the car http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Volkswagen-KDF-Oil-Pump-VW-cog-wheel-BUG-Kubel_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742Q2em153Q2el1262QQcategoryZ34198QQihZ024QQitemZ370106571500 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Volkswagen-KDF-Oil-Pump-VW-cog-wheel-BUG-Kubel_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742Q2em153Q2el1262QQcategoryZ34198QQihZ024QQitemZ370106571500) .............. ;D ;D
Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: speedwell on February 07, 2009, 21:32:37 pm oh another one http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Volkswagen-KDF-Fuel-Pump-Base-VW-cog-wheel_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742Q2em153Q2el1262QQcategoryZ34198QQihZ024QQitemZ370106601924 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Volkswagen-KDF-Fuel-Pump-Base-VW-cog-wheel_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742Q2em153Q2el1262QQcategoryZ34198QQihZ024QQitemZ370106601924)
::) Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: speedwell on February 07, 2009, 21:55:47 pm want a kdf passager doors http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Parts-Accessories___KDF-DOOR-HANDLE-VW-SPLIT-BUG-BEETLE-RARE-CO-DRIVER_W0QQitemZ220350728401QQddnZPartsQ20Q26Q20AccessoriesQQddiZ2811QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item220350728401&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A1171%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Parts-Accessories___KDF-DOOR-HANDLE-VW-SPLIT-BUG-BEETLE-RARE-CO-DRIVER_W0QQitemZ220350728401QQddnZPartsQ20Q26Q20AccessoriesQQddiZ2811QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item220350728401&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A1171%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318)
Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: Martin Greaves on February 07, 2009, 22:08:25 pm Not to sure about the first one as my German is not that good.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-Kaefer-Ovali-Brezel-KdF-24-5-PS-Kurbelwelle-Nockenwel_W0QQitemZ180326446698QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAutoteile_Zubeh%C3%B6r?hash=item180326446698&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1683%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HEAD-Schwimmwagen-166-Kuebelwagen-VW-KAFER-split-KDF_W0QQitemZ320259482630QQcmdZViewItemQQptZRicambi_automobili?hash=item320259482630&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1683%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: vwcab on February 08, 2009, 00:01:21 am I see,the parts are coming together,so it's gone be ready at the end of june for Hessisch Oldendorf.
Than the owner has a week time to transform it into a callooker and take a best of show- trophy at EBI#3. ;D ;D ;D Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: danny gabbard on February 11, 2009, 17:23:12 pm Its a saver. Its not that bad. And look at the return if ever finished right. Be a fun project
Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: bugnut68 on February 11, 2009, 18:01:01 pm Giving it to VW to restore would be the worst fate for this car. Take a look at how bad the early cars in the museum are... In my experience, VW's 'expert' knowledge is seriously lacking. I'd vote for Trauhott and Christian Grundmann (Hessich-Oldendorf organisers and major-league collectors/restorers). There is no argument that this car, if it proves to be a VW38 (and I believe it is) must be restored one way or the other. Externally, the rear window and windshield surround are the only major problem areas but can hardly be considered insurmountable problems. Beneath that, well, there are plenty of KdF parts available these days (they are no longer the real rarity they used to be) and the end result would be a pretty accurate rebuild/recreation/restoration of a historically very significant car. I agree... Volkswagen of today couldn't give two sh*ts about their air-cooled heritage, IMO. Now they're just another super-expensive European car maker, in my book. Don't get me started on the "Max" commericals, as it reminds me of how VWOA, in particular, went all buddy-buddy with the vintage air-cooled scene in order to promote the new beetle years ago. Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: javabug on February 11, 2009, 18:21:39 pm Its a saver. Its not that bad. And look at the return if ever finished right. Be a fun project Thank you, Danny! For something THAT old, unique, and potentially significant, make what you have to, get it as close as you can, and appreciate that it was even found in the first place. Its not friggin' rocket science. Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: Neil Davies on February 11, 2009, 18:38:13 pm Its a saver. Its not that bad. And look at the return if ever finished right. Be a fun project Thank you, Danny! For something THAT old, unique, and potentially significant, make what you have to, get it as close as you can, and appreciate that it was even found in the first place. Its not friggin' rocket science. Exactly. It's a hand built car in the first place, so what is the problem with hand building the repair parts? Although I don't think there will be any more to see than a bare shell with doors and lids when it's finished, but what a display piece! I think that would be more sympathetic than building it up on a 50's pan with other bits made to fit. Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: nicolas on February 11, 2009, 18:45:34 pm allright, so we all pitch in a 5er and we get our own callook/lounge vw38. cool!!!
we have to make up a scedule who can have it what day. THAT will be the tricky part off the project. Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: Lee.C on February 11, 2009, 21:54:02 pm allright, so we all pitch in a 5er and we get our own callook/lounge vw38. cool!!! we have to make up a scedule who can have it what day. THAT will be the tricky part off the project. I'm in ;D ;D ;D Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: alex d on February 12, 2009, 09:55:08 am allright, so we all pitch in a 5er and we get our own callook/lounge vw38. cool!!! we have to make up a scedule who can have it what day. THAT will be the tricky part off the project. I'm in ;D ;D ;D me too ;D ;D and its already dechromed! ;) Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: peach_ on February 13, 2009, 02:58:42 am allright, so we all pitch in a 5er and we get our own callook/lounge vw38. cool!! I think we'd be hung from the Rafters by the pure'ests before we even got close :D ;D Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: Dustin on February 13, 2009, 03:13:56 am It's starting to sound to me like this tread needs to move to the "Imagine this on Fuch's with IDA's" thread ;D ;D
BTW... I'm in! Title: Re: VW38 found Post by: alex d on February 25, 2009, 14:09:58 pm there are more pics of the "car" in thesamba now, it's indeed a real VW38 (well, what's left of it), awesome!
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