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Title: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on April 29, 2009, 20:58:15 pm turd polishing anyone?
Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: speedwell on April 29, 2009, 21:20:58 pm is this your car ???
Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Nico86 on April 29, 2009, 21:24:25 pm Show us more ! :P
Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Paulus on April 29, 2009, 21:29:25 pm That whas one of my favorite cars on the volksworldshow ! A really nice "late looker" :)
Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: jamiep_jamiep on April 30, 2009, 13:24:45 pm is this your car ??? Mark Tomlinsons bug not sure if it is or isn't Gyles', but Marks was built up from a brand new VW pan. 2276 motor on 45 dells, pro street box, 911 front seats - a really nicely done late looker! All being well he's giving it the beans at the UK Drag Day in two and a half weeks time... Cool! So Gyles, is that you Mark or someone else on with a late looker? Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on April 30, 2009, 21:40:13 pm Bloody Hell, you lot make Sherlock Holmes look slow! ;), but I'm glad you approve.
I was gonna run with a few photos every now and then and show the build up over time, but I suppose thats that idea buggered. Yup, that is my polished turd all finished at the Volksworld show, but I'm stumped as to how yer figured it out. ??? Had a few teething troubles, but the motor is running smooth as a babys bum. 155.5hp(don't forget the point five!) and 145 torqes at about 5500rpm. Hopefully I will be attending the drag day, although I am not booked in yet. Being a racing virgin I am open to advice, but I suppose we disuss that elsewhere? I have other outside influences trying to get me to run low pro tyres on the front. Thoughts? Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: vwcab on April 30, 2009, 21:55:48 pm Nice looker..............make that VERY nice looker dude.Well done.
More pics and info please. 8) Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on April 30, 2009, 22:05:15 pm so whadaya wanna know and whadaya wanna see? ???
Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: vwcab on April 30, 2009, 22:40:58 pm so whadaya wanna know and whadaya wanna see? ??? Year,engine specs,interior and dash pics.......... ;)THX Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Nico86 on April 30, 2009, 22:43:44 pm so whadaya wanna know and whadaya wanna see? ??? Year,engine specs,interior and dash pics.......... ;)THX Everything ! :D Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: roland on May 01, 2009, 00:26:43 am Yeah very nice car!
As for the racing advice: When the light turns green, smash the gas pedal with your foot and realease only when you pass the finish line. Change gears when needed. Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: FDK/mrpedrini on May 01, 2009, 01:10:49 am F*cking Hell !!! nice ride!!! you realy do understand how cool a late looker can be ;)
Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Rennsurfer on May 01, 2009, 02:41:34 am WOW! Very nice looking car. Congrats on a job well done. The rest is rather simple, really... enjoy!
Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on May 01, 2009, 10:11:31 am Well, here we have a 'pan. Built on a brand spanking mexican lump of metal (converted from LHD to RHD), all etch primed and painted in the devils own black with lots of laquer. Adjustable rear spring plates hold the stock axles with type 3 drums and an h/d anti-roll bar with spax gas adjustable shock all round. Axles are spun via a Rancho Pro Street 'box with 4.125 r&p, super diff, h/d side plate and welded gears. Front beam is a 2" narrowed adjustable unit with 2" dropped forged spindles holding some 'BAD' brakes and hubs from Airkewld. Also an h/d anti roll bar up front (this 'pan is super stiff!). On wide 5 studs with the infamous Erco rims, running 155 Mich XAS (yes, I should put my mans pants on and run 145) up front on 3.5" rims and 6" rims on the back with Goddrich Macadam 205/70 tyres. Then you have all the obvious new brake lines, bushes, z-bar, scat dragfast shifter, etc....
And now I got it all dirty and gnarled up the bottom of my front beam! ;D Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: jamiep_jamiep on May 01, 2009, 11:09:53 am You can't pull the wool over the eye's of the loungers Mark ;)
Awesome bug. Drop me a pm if you still need a ticket for the drag day btw I have a number of a guy who's selling one cheap as he can't make it. Drop me a line if its of interest. Cheers Jamie Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on May 01, 2009, 15:05:07 pm Thanks for all the great encouragment chaps. It's good to get a stoke from other people ;D
The 'pan and body were kinda done separate. I built the 'pan up (except the paint) and the body was taken care of by MAL down here in Cornwall. It was only ever meant to be a patch up job, but we got carried away. I had already replaced both front quarters, spare wheel well, rear valance, both heater channels and the A post bottoms. All that had taken since 2000, so it was decided to get serious or I would never get it done. After shot blasting we could see there was no point in a patch up job. :( and ;D On top of the work I had done myself, Mat and Adrian at MAL fitted another spare wheel well (the one I fitted had started to rot :'(), a pair of original VW rear quarters (a pain in the arse to source), front bulkhead (not easy to convert to RHD), pair of original VW doors, VW bonnet, another rear valance as the one fitted was just dreadful quality, rear cross members, new rear floor/engine firewall and a quartet of day mouldings 'glass wings. Phew :o After all that the fun really started..., but your not interested in that surely! Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on May 02, 2009, 20:27:34 pm OK, maybe a bit heavy on the body work details. Shall I skip the rest (dechroming, VW safari beige paint etccc...) and get to the fat bit? :P
ITS ALL ABOUT THE MOTOR ;) It was built by the industrious M.K. at Airkraft in deepest Cornwall. Originally destined for his own bay window (so it's built to meticulous tolerances) it is built to deliver endless torque all day long rather than a short scream then a rebuild. Obviously it never made it into his bus as it now resides in my '73. 2276cc type 1 built around a new 'case, drilled and tapped for full flow oil system 82mm CB cro-mo crank engle FK8 cam with s/c gears CB 1.4:1 ratio rockers Manton cro-mo pushrods Scat H beam con rods Scat super D 94mm heads. 42mm exhaust 37mm inlet, 3 angle valve job Scat cro-mo flywheel Kennedy stage 1 clutch Twin dual Dell'orto DRLA 45mm carbs, Gene Berg linkage Pertronix ally distributor, electronic ignition Scat deep sump CR 8:1 (future turbo material ;)) All balanced to 0.5 F1 tolerance by John Maher Recently tested on rolling road at 155bhp at flywheel, 145 torques at around 5500rpm. Its no slouch, I think it hits 60 around 6 secs. Never been up the strip, so I don't have any 1/4 mile times. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D all day long! Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: vwcab on May 02, 2009, 21:27:28 pm From 0-60 in about 6sec.,not bad,not bad at all. ;D that's FAST
thanks for the info and pics so far. Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: jamiep_jamiep on May 02, 2009, 23:19:09 pm If Matt's built it don't think you can go far wrong, have heard some very good stuff about his work. Start blushing now Matt ;) hahaha
Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on May 03, 2009, 09:45:11 am Just to keep all you power perverts happy, I remembered I didn't post any pics.
The hose unions have since been replaced with satin black ones and the coil is now a black flamethrower. The twin quiet pack was just for the cam break in and is now a large stainless header. If I remember will post a more up to date image. Enjoy ;) Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Fasterbrit on May 03, 2009, 12:27:53 pm Nice thread Gyles! Not sure about the camp looking bloke grinning at the back of your engine though :o
Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Nico86 on May 03, 2009, 14:43:35 pm Nice car Gyles ! ;)
Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on May 03, 2009, 15:25:34 pm Nice thread Gyles! Not sure about the camp looking bloke grinning at the back of your engine though :o cheers mate. well you kinda have to take what you can get down this way. The only nice gentleman in cornwall ;) :D ;) Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Addie/DVK on May 03, 2009, 17:49:59 pm Very nice car! looks very good 8)
Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: 67worshipper on May 04, 2009, 11:24:48 am hello gyles.good to meet you at volksworld.many thanks for the loan of the allen keys :-[ much appreciated ;) love the car mate.are you running a heater then? cheers barry
Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on May 04, 2009, 18:40:54 pm Once again, thanks for all the good thoughts chaps, and possibly chapesses :)
hello gyles.good to meet you at volksworld.many thanks for the loan of the allen keys :-[ much appreciated ;) love the car mate.are you running a heater then? cheers barry no heater, just dummies if your looking at the hoses. No problem with the allen keys, but I was beginning to wonder if they were coming back! ;) see you at the drag day? Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: 67worshipper on May 04, 2009, 19:32:41 pm yep.jade and i will be there ;) i hope she behaves herself ;D
Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: ESH on May 04, 2009, 20:43:32 pm ... Not sure about the camp looking bloke grinning at the back of your engine though ... That's some scary shit! :o Nice car. 8) Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on May 05, 2009, 20:53:41 pm As promised, an updated pic of my motor. Not much difference, but it's the small things that count. Well that's what my missus tells me :D
Thought I had better throw in a pic of the interior too (just pretend I had been arsed to clean the floor mats, OK! ;)). Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on May 10, 2009, 19:45:36 pm Quick update.
Seeing as I am taking the car to the 'Drag Day' next weekend something had to be done about wheel hop. :'( Just spent all day fitting a set of CSP Torque Bars to the rear end. :) It's actually a reasonably straightforward task, if time consuming. If anyone is bothered I will report back on the outcome. ;) Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Harry/FDK on May 14, 2009, 19:49:52 pm AWESOME CAR !!! PLS share the CSP stuff. I had my share too!
Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Paulus on May 14, 2009, 21:46:15 pm AWESOME CAR !!! PLS share the CSP stuff. I had my share too! + 1 i Agre with that :D Saw your car @ the Volksworldshow and it looks so great ! I love the late lookers ;D Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on June 26, 2009, 21:15:53 pm I hadn't forgotten, just waiting my time to give a reasoned reply! ;)
After using the torque bar on the strip (albeit for a crap time :-[) and on the road I can report an almost 100% reduction in wheel hop. It's just amazing! Still get plenty of wheel spin (if you want it) but the rear of the car now stays in contact with the road and drives better than ever. Just ask if you want to know anything else. Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on July 21, 2009, 12:59:11 pm More updates if your not getting bored of it ;)
Just spent the weekend at the Pod for Bug Jam 23. Weather was not up to much but got a full day on the strip saturday with a good 12 runs in total ;D. Now as far as is possible with treads on the car I can definately say that the CSP set up works a treat, both at the burnout box (as much as you need to with treads!) and under power up the track. No noticeable wheel hop at all :) Even tho my car is pretty fat with full interior etc.. I was fairly chuffed to run a 14.2 second pass at 92mph ;D ;D ;D Oh, I also picked up the Best Cal Look award in the show n shine too 8) Not that I like to blow my own trumpet or anything! Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Rocket Ron on July 21, 2009, 13:35:57 pm More updates if your not getting bored of it ;) Just spent the weekend at the Pod for Bug Jam 23. Weather was not up to much but got a full day on the strip saturday with a good 12 runs in total ;D. Now as far as is possible with treads on the car I can definately say that the CSP set up works a treat, both at the burnout box (as much as you need to with treads!) and under power up the track. No noticeable wheel hop at all :) Even tho my car is pretty fat with full interior etc.. I was fairly chuffed to run a 14.2 second pass at 92mph ;D ;D ;D Oh, I also picked up the Best Cal Look award in the show n shine too 8) Not that I like to blow my own trumpet or anything! looks like its a head up next time, my best is 14.25 at 93 oh and well done on the best cal look Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: jamiep_jamiep on July 21, 2009, 14:36:13 pm Nice to see you survived Saturday night OK Mark... Claire was worried we'd scared you & Brigitte off for good! Hahaha.
Congrats on the 14.2 and award dude, you deserve it. Top car & top fella. 8) 8) Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on July 21, 2009, 17:47:55 pm looks like its a head up next time, my best is 14.25 at 93 oh and well done on the best cal look Cheers Ron. It's a date ;) But plans for world domination are already under way. Well, maybe an extra half a second :D Nice to see you survived Saturday night OK Mark... Claire was worried we'd scared you & Brigitte off for good! Hahaha. Congrats on the 14.2 and award dude, you deserve it. Top car & top fella. 8) 8) Thats mighty kind of yer mate. We did just survive by the skin of our teeth. Think it took an hour to get back to the tent ??? Maybe we should stick to the potato wine next time, I'm a bit out of practice for the stronger stuff :o But don't worry, it takes more than that to scare us off. Just give us plenty of notice before you come to cornwall...we might go out for the day :D :D Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Rocket Ron on July 21, 2009, 20:31:34 pm Cheers Ron. It's a date ;) But plans for world domination are already under way. Well, maybe an extra half a sec does it involve one of those hairdryer thingys ???? 8) Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on July 22, 2009, 20:03:36 pm does it involve one of those hairdryer thingys ???? 8) ah, now that would be telling ;) Maybe a lead lined right boot and chuck the wife out perhaps :D Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Fasterbrit on August 13, 2009, 11:46:01 am After drinking too many cups of tea, me, Gyles and the Fonz decided it would be a good idea to hook up a pair of Firestone Wide Oval tyres to Gyles' spare pair of Ercos. All it needs now is a pair of short axles and it's the daddy! What do you guys think?
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y219/15window/gyles.jpg) Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: jick on August 13, 2009, 13:44:45 pm great looking car.....that was in my top 3 from the Volksworld show.....love the tyres too!
Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: jamiep_jamiep on August 14, 2009, 08:29:27 am AWESOME.
Coolest late model around? It gets my vote.... Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on August 14, 2009, 10:20:28 am Thanks for posting the pic Matt. And for twisting my arm ;) After running home with my old tractor tyres on I am damn sure the decision is made 8) ;D
AWESOME. Coolest late model around? It gets my vote.... And thats really not 'cos you want Pasties at Action AND somewhere to stay in Cornwall Jamie ;) Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Rocket Ron on January 07, 2010, 06:29:33 am come on spill the beans, what you doing with the engine ???
Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on January 07, 2010, 07:58:02 am come on spill the beans, what you doing with the engine ??? You show me yours Ron and I will show you mine ;) Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Rocket Ron on January 07, 2010, 13:32:39 pm 1776 engle 120 twin 36 idf chrome zoom tube with neon pink tinware ;D
now what's your :P Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: jamiep_jamiep on January 07, 2010, 13:39:34 pm Have you been copying my engine specs Ron ?!
Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Rocket Ron on January 07, 2010, 14:22:24 pm Sorry didn't know it was a rennwagen only spec ;D
Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on January 07, 2010, 18:35:23 pm 1776 engle 120 twin 36 idf chrome zoom tube with neon pink tinware ;D now what's your :P Used to run a motor like that, back in the day. Marina Blue and Neon Pink - just class ;D OK OK,here it comes. Sticking to the same basic cc and crankcase but slipping in an FK87 cam. Gone are the super D heads to be replaced with some Ultra Mag plus 44x37 ones. The only part I was unsure about, because they drove so nice on the street, was swapping my 45DRLA's for some 48IDA's. But they are gonna look the tits as they will be atop some empi big beef manifolds hand polished by the Fonz himself. :D I am addressing some tranny problems too and am fitting rhino 'box mounts and a big fat h/d mid mount. Still need to sort out some slicks tho. Now you show me yours! ;) Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Fasterbrit on January 07, 2010, 19:07:34 pm I am addressing some tranny problems too Now you show me yours! ;) So... you have finally come out, then? ;D Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: jamiep_jamiep on January 07, 2010, 19:09:26 pm Sorry didn't know it was a rennwagen only spec ;D It was the pink tin that gave it away Ron. ;) The plans sound great Mark, it should really rip with the change in cam & heads. Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Martin Greaves on January 07, 2010, 20:22:53 pm 1776 engle 120 twin 36 idf chrome zoom tube with neon pink tinware ;D now what's your :P Used to run a motor like that, back in the day. Marina Blue and Neon Pink - just class ;D OK OK,here it comes. Sticking to the same basic cc and crankcase but slipping in an FK87 cam. Gone are the super D heads to be replaced with some Ultra Mag plus 44x37 ones. The only part I was unsure about, because they drove so nice on the street, was swapping my 45DRLA's for some 48IDA's. But they are gonna look the tits as they will be atop some empi big beef manifolds hand polished by the Fonz himself. :D I am addressing some tranny problems too and am fitting rhino 'box mounts and a big fat h/d mid mount. Still need to sort out some slicks tho. Now you show me yours! ;) Dont do a 1/2 job just put a FK89 in and have dun with it. :P Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on January 07, 2010, 20:54:37 pm So... you have finally come out, then? ;D Well I had to do something; its such a waste having all these dresses hidden away...... Shit, did I type that out loud ;D Dont do a 1/2 job just put a FK89 in and have dun with it. :P Yeah, I was waiting for a comment like that. Cheers Muffler. ::) OK, so I am open to advice here. I want to blast it up the strip, but I also drive the car a fair bit on the street. Can anyone report on how an 89 or 87 drives street and strip? Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Rocket Ron on January 08, 2010, 14:47:57 pm Still 2276, new cam and freshen up. twin 48 idf pattern throttle bodies, stinger ecu and LSD diff.
I was going to buy some heads but xmas has been a bit expensive so I'll think I'll save buying them till next year for the Ghia Gyles you have pm Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on January 08, 2010, 15:02:21 pm Still 2276, new cam and freshen up. twin 48 idf pattern throttle bodies, stinger ecu and LSD diff. I was going to buy some heads but xmas has been a bit expensive so I'll think I'll save buying them till next year for the Ghia What heads do you run currently Ron? Fancy cam going in then? Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Rocket Ron on January 08, 2010, 15:05:15 pm 42/37 Welded VW heads ported/polished at Brothers machine with matching Scat trak IDA manifolds
cams a bit of secret so wont post it up here ;) you have pm Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Fasterbrit on January 08, 2010, 18:04:15 pm Yippee! Gyles now has new heads, with Kahuna valves, but is still indecisive about cams. Go for the chest wig and medallion, or settle for the excellent all-round FK87? What do you reckon folks? Muffler Mart?
Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: benssp on January 08, 2010, 18:08:22 pm Dont do a 1/2 job just put a FK89 in and have dun with it. :P What's this? Muffler Mart encouraging the use of an FK-89! what next, bolting silencers on properly ;D Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on January 08, 2010, 18:20:59 pm 42/37 Welded VW heads ported/polished at Brothers machine with matching Scat trak IDA manifolds cams a bit of secret so wont post it up here ;) secret cam eh Ron ;) sounds like you actually have a real race plan going on :o Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Rocket Ron on January 08, 2010, 18:32:47 pm Yippee! Gyles now has new heads, with Kahuna valves, but is still indecisive about cams. Go for the chest wig and medallion, or settle for the excellent all-round FK87? What do you reckon folks? Muffler Mart? chest wig all the way ;) not race , fast street :) Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Martin Greaves on January 08, 2010, 19:52:42 pm Mark if you are going to be driving it on the street just put a w110 in it. :P
Ben as for the Fk89 that a girls cam. :D Ron what this a top secret turbo cam. :o ;D Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on January 08, 2010, 20:03:22 pm Mark if you are going to be driving it on the street just put a w110 in it. :P I've got a spare 120 I could put in it :D, but I'm worried it might blow my wig off :o and I don't wanna end up looking like you ;) :P ;) :P Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Fasterbrit on January 08, 2010, 21:30:35 pm Drop the cc to 1641 and stick in an engle 100. That way you get to keep your wig :)
Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on January 09, 2010, 08:25:02 am Drop the cc to 1641 and stick in an engle 100. That way you get to keep your wig :) And my Granny could drive it too! ;D Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: leec on January 09, 2010, 11:58:56 am Yippee! Gyles now has new heads, with Kahuna valves, but is still indecisive about cams. Go for the chest wig and medallion, or settle for the excellent all-round FK87? What do you reckon folks? Muffler Mart? FK87 works for me Matt ;) Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Martin Greaves on January 09, 2010, 12:39:19 pm But Lee if you had put the girls cam (FK89) in what would it have been like.
Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: leec on January 09, 2010, 14:32:30 pm But Lee if you had put the girls cam (FK89) in what would it have been like. Faster ;D Lee Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on January 09, 2010, 18:15:35 pm FK87 works for me Matt ;) Do you drive yours on the street Lee? Whats it like? Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: leec on January 09, 2010, 18:52:46 pm FK87 works for me Matt ;) Do you drive yours on the street Lee? Whats it like? Before I used it on the strip I did use it on the street to run it in/bed the car in. Found it surprisingly streetable, over 2750 rpm it was like any other car i have driven (just faster) and didnt have to constantly shift down gears/rev it hard etc. I dont have 3rd progression mod on the IDA'S and it would still pull away at low revs with no major dramas. I did consider the FK89, but felt the 87 was ideal. Lee Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on January 09, 2010, 22:12:20 pm Before I used it on the strip I did use it on the street to run it in/bed the car in. Found it surprisingly streetable, over 2750 rpm it was like any other car i have driven (just faster) and didnt have to constantly shift down gears/rev it hard etc. I dont have 3rd progression mod on the IDA'S and it would still pull away at low revs with no major dramas. I did consider the FK89, but felt the 87 was ideal. Lee Cheers Lee. Thats the kind of helpful comment I was after ;) Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Martin Greaves on January 09, 2010, 22:19:07 pm What you trying to say i was not helping. :P :D ;D
Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: herbieharv on January 10, 2010, 16:43:45 pm hey martin(muffler) ,what cam have i got in my engine now ?
Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: herbieharv on January 10, 2010, 16:45:22 pm happy new year to all as well ;D
Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Neil Davies on January 10, 2010, 18:24:55 pm FK87 works for me Matt ;) Do you drive yours on the street Lee? Whats it like? Before I used it on the strip I did use it on the street to run it in/bed the car in. Found it surprisingly streetable, over 2750 rpm it was like any other car i have driven (just faster) and didnt have to constantly shift down gears/rev it hard etc. I dont have 3rd progression mod on the IDA'S and it would still pull away at low revs with no major dramas. I did consider the FK89, but felt the 87 was ideal. Lee The 2007cc/48DRLA motor I've got has an FK87 in it too. I originally borrowed it from Duane and Brett, who had broken the gearbox in the "Short Arse Shaker" car at Bug Jam 2004, and I'd blown my flanged crank/superflo headed 2276. As I said, I ran it at Bug Jam, where as you know, you need to drive the car all around the place just to get up to the fire-up road! It was as docile as a stocker at low revs, but ran 12.50s in my car (1640lbs with me in it), compared to 12.teens from my next seasons 2276 FK89 IDA motor. In a dual purpose street/strip car, I think it would be ideal if you've got the gears for it. Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Fasterbrit on January 10, 2010, 20:46:31 pm Neil has made a very good point about gearing and docility. In your car, Gyles, you would probably need to change the ratios on third and fourth in order to make an FK89 work in a heavy car. Stick to the 87 and I can tell you from experience that even with fairly tall gears and excess lard, your motor will pull nicely throughout the rev-range and really haul when you hit 3,500 rpm 8)
Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Rocket Ron on January 10, 2010, 20:52:25 pm what sort of numbers do you want to run Gyles
Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on January 10, 2010, 21:30:21 pm Cheers chaps, that some good info worth thinking on. Easy with the lard tho Matt :D
what sort of numbers do you want to run Gyles hopefully very low 13's. Would be stoked if I could get down to high 12's. Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Rocket Ron on January 10, 2010, 21:35:37 pm Though I was going to be easy meat after I re read my post.
thought you were going to say 2 tenths quick than you :P Leec is running a 12.1 (i think) with the k87 but his car is a lot lighter than yours Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: EL PINGO 66 on January 11, 2010, 03:50:41 am damn nice color .... and nice car...
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y219/15window/gyles.jpg) a mexican brother.. (http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee194/JMVVR/414717622_gpPgY-M-1.jpg) Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: leec on January 11, 2010, 18:33:44 pm Though I was going to be easy meat after I re read my post. thought you were going to say 2 tenths quick than you :P Leec is running a 12.1 (i think) with the k87 but his car is a lot lighter than yours Yes Ron, 12.1 has been achieved. 12.2 with the cage. Car isnt that light :o Lee Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on January 12, 2010, 12:08:04 pm a mexican brother.. (http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee194/JMVVR/414717622_gpPgY-M-1.jpg) Mmm, now I like this. Any more info? Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: EL PINGO 66 on January 14, 2010, 07:32:20 am here in 2003 at mexicali vw show... resto custom style..
(http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee194/JMVVR/VW057.jpg) the engine 1914cc,vz30,4.x35 P/P, 48 IDA´S ETC ETC---- (http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee194/JMVVR/Imagen.jpg) here start the califas transform.... ;D ;D ;D (http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee194/JMVVR/VW061.jpg) (http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee194/JMVVR/VW067.jpg) (http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee194/JMVVR/009002.jpg) saludos... Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Fonz on January 14, 2010, 18:23:13 pm ..... they will be atop some empi big beef manifolds hand polished by the Fonz himself. :D Beef being the operative word, hey. ;) :D Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on January 15, 2010, 19:52:35 pm Beef being the operative word, hey. ;) :D Yeah. Everyone wants some of my meat :o ;) Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on January 22, 2010, 10:50:31 am a mexican brother.. (http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee194/JMVVR/414717622_gpPgY-M-1.jpg) Mmm. Definately looks better as it is now 8) This your car then ? Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: volksnut on January 25, 2010, 22:44:07 pm Gyles, your car is SWEET! Hey how did the Super D/45 Dellorto combo work for ya...that's what I'll be running in my 2176 with 120 cam....yes I have a late model too
(http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/522105.jpg) Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on January 29, 2010, 12:52:39 pm Gyles, your car is SWEET! Hey how did the Super D/45 Dellorto combo work for ya...that's what I'll be running in my 2176 with 120 cam....yes I have a late model too Thanks for the big up Mr Nut. Your cars none too shabby either; nowt wrong with a late looker in my opinion 8) The super D/Dellorto combo was great. Bags of torque all through the rev range, with the carbs as smooth as you like. No hesitation or stuttering anywhere. They were great for the street, which is where I originally planned to drive it, but the lure of the strip seems to be calling strong ;D Sounds like you should end up with quite a pokey motor there. Enjoy ;) Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on February 15, 2010, 19:38:46 pm OK, it's decided. I know someone is bound to give me stick, but its the FK87. Together with the Ultra Mag Plus heads (44x37) and the 48IDA's it should be good enough for a beginner ;)
The only thing left to decide is the CR. 9.5:1 or 10:1 ??? Decisions decisions :-\ Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: BeetleBug on February 15, 2010, 20:34:25 pm The only thing left to decide is the CR. 9.5:1 or 10:1 ??? Decisions decisions :-\ What`s the problem? Low or really low CR? :) Big heads, big cam and mild comp does not sound right. Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on February 15, 2010, 21:18:48 pm What`s the problem? Low or really low CR? :) Big heads, big cam and mild comp does not sound right. OK, so maybe the cam wasn't the only thing I am gonna get stick about ::) I am always open to advice, but bearing in mind it is a fairly fat car I still want to be able to drive on the street, what would your ideal CR be then ??? Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: BeetleBug on February 15, 2010, 21:25:36 pm What`s the problem? Low or really low CR? :) Big heads, big cam and mild comp does not sound right. OK, so maybe the cam wasn't the only thing I am gonna get stick about ::) I am always open to advice, but bearing in mind it is a fairly fat car I still want to be able to drive on the street, what would your ideal CR be then ??? It depends on a lot of things like fuel, cam, heat, heads etc etc. The FK87 is a great cam and mild on the valvetrain which is good since you plan on driving it. Lot`s of guys use it with succes on the street with a CR around 11. Best rgs BB Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on February 16, 2010, 13:56:58 pm It depends on a lot of things like fuel, cam, heat, heads etc etc. The FK87 is a great cam and mild on the valvetrain which is good since you plan on driving it. Lot`s of guys use it with succes on the street with a CR around 11. Best rgs BB OK, thats interesting thanks BB. It will probably be running on super, with the internals as already stated. I don't run an external oil cooler, but do run a remote filter and deep sump. Currently runs (with FK8 and super D 40x37 heads) a CR of 8.0:1 as was originally destined for a bus. The temp gauge barely gets off the bottom at the moment, so I'm guessing it can take a bit more heat. Anyone else got any thoughts? Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Fasterbrit on March 14, 2010, 11:16:22 am 10:1 cr with the ultra mags (44x37) and the Idas will wake your combo up nicely. Just you wait and see! This will bring your spec to pretty much the same as Lee C's and his Oval honks! With all the work done to the tinware regarding cooling, I will be surprised if excessive heat will be an issue. I based Lee's motor on a John Maher motor I used to own and that motor was killer on the street and never suffered any heat related issues. If it's good enough for JMR, I figure you can't go too far wrong. The Maher motor made 194 bhp sans belt, so it's a potent street/strip combo...
Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: leec on March 14, 2010, 15:44:08 pm 10:1 cr with the ultra mags (44x37) and the Idas will wake your combo up nicely. Just you wait and see! This will bring your spec to pretty much the same as Lee C's and his Oval honks! With all the work done to the tinware regarding cooling, I will be surprised if excessive heat will be an issue. I based Lee's motor on a John Maher motor I used to own and that motor was killer on the street and never suffered any heat related issues. If it's good enough for JMR, I figure you can't go too far wrong. The Maher motor made 194 bhp sans belt, so it's a potent street/strip combo... Yep, its a good motor, You will be happy Gyles :) Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on March 14, 2010, 17:08:56 pm Yep, its a good motor, You will be happy Gyles :) Me? Happy? It must be good then 8) Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Rocket Ron on March 17, 2010, 18:03:48 pm Gyles
dont get too fast, dont want to be looking at your tail lights this year :P Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Fasterbrit on March 17, 2010, 18:49:04 pm Who will earn the 'rocket' moniker this year? Will it be 'Rocket' Ron or 'Rocket' Gyles I wonder... ;D
Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on March 18, 2010, 20:14:13 pm The only thing Rons earning is a whipped ass :o :P
Although he is being a bit quiet about his own car. Maybe its had severe surgery and is gonna boil the tarmac this year :o What you playing at Ron? Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Rocket Ron on March 18, 2010, 20:29:22 pm Gyles
We will see after the weekend. I'll know if it's hero or zero by then ;D Ps thanks for the picture, must get it off you when we meet next Volksworld show or shakey ?? Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on April 02, 2010, 12:22:25 pm Here is the latest from the Gyles camp...
Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: leec on April 02, 2010, 14:35:40 pm Great progress Gyles,
Just dont bother refitting the tinware.... Lee Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on May 03, 2010, 20:10:10 pm Sneak peek at what the Turbomeister, Polish Bob and myself have been up to today.
[attachment=1] Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Rocket Ron on May 04, 2010, 10:16:34 am Tease :P
Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Black Sheep on May 04, 2010, 19:44:37 pm They some tall manifolds you got there gyle's 8)
Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: leec on May 04, 2010, 20:08:02 pm Well done Gyles, Super shiny.
Lee Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: jamiep_jamiep on May 05, 2010, 11:09:42 am Looks great Mark!
Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on May 05, 2010, 20:15:39 pm Thanks for the good comments fellas :)
More pics to follow and off to the dyno on monday :o Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Fonz on May 06, 2010, 17:26:52 pm Mmmmmmm...nice smooth manifolds. :)
Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on May 06, 2010, 19:25:33 pm Mmmmmmm...nice smooth manifolds. :) Don't worry Fonz. Polish Bob has done you proud on the manlyfolds ;) Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Fasterbrit on May 09, 2010, 15:52:31 pm Here's a couple of shots of Gyles' new setup. Gone a bit more oldshool with IDAs and Bosch 010 and not a billet piece of crap in sight...
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y219/15window/DSC00047.jpg) (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y219/15window/DSC00048.jpg) Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Fonz on May 09, 2010, 19:18:22 pm Looks great guys. Well done. 8)
Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on May 10, 2010, 06:50:21 am Cheers Fonz. Are the manlyfolds up to your high standard then? ;)
Thanks for posting the pics Matt. Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: leec on May 10, 2010, 10:49:40 am That looks great,
Trekker Fanshroud? Isn't it the rolling road today as well? 189BHP is my guess without belt Lee Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Rocket Ron on May 10, 2010, 10:50:46 am looking good Gyles, lets have the numbers when you get off the dyno today
My engine is still in about 4 different boxes waiting for bits :-[ Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Doktor on May 10, 2010, 11:26:43 am @ Gyles: your car is not a late model thing, it's a late model madness !
Very cool car indeed ! 8) 8) 8) Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Martin Greaves on May 10, 2010, 14:14:01 pm Nice one on the Dyno dude. ;D
Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Rocket Ron on May 10, 2010, 15:21:07 pm well done Gyles / Matt
thats some nice numbers ;) Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on May 10, 2010, 16:45:32 pm Here are the numbers you have all been waiting for....
[attachment=1] Yup, thats 194.6bhp & 189.7Ib/ft at 4995rpm. WITH fanbelt :o ;D It's about this time I should thank Matt Keene at Airkraft for his expert skills, patience and endless tea. Good work lanky fella ;) Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: herbieharv on May 10, 2010, 17:11:26 pm not bad for a steak powered tractor ;D or are you running it on red!
very impressive actualy well done gyles Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Black Sheep on May 10, 2010, 18:28:43 pm Nice one gyle's , them are some impresive number's no need to loose the fan belt at Gary's picnic then ;) lookin forward to a bit of head's up 8)
Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: leec on May 10, 2010, 20:54:22 pm That's a fantastic figure. Well done Matt on the engine, another 12 second 2276!!
Can't wait for Garys picnic now, be great to see/race you guys again. Lee Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on May 11, 2010, 08:52:17 am Cheers for the good words fellas. Looking forward to spanking it up the strip at Garys Picnic myself. Can't wait for some one on one action ;D
Ron, think you can make it? Don't worry if you're still running on carbs ;) Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Rocket Ron on May 11, 2010, 10:22:35 am I would love to make Gary's, I should know by the end of the week.
If I get my parts delivered by then, I'm in with a chance. As of this morning the parts coming from the states have cleared customs and the I've a email from CSP saying my head studs are being processed so you never know :-\ Cant wait to see yours run, can you remind me what gear ratios and spec gearbox you have?? I still running a rancho pro street with a few extras. it will be interesting to see if my box stands up to the extra HP Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on May 11, 2010, 11:07:41 am Yup, mines a rancho pro street too. Stock ratios, 4.125 r/p, 0.89 4th gear with welded gears, super diff and h/d side plate. Also running short SAW race axles.
Was good for 150bhp. Only one way to find out what its like for 200bhp... :o Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Rocket Ron on May 11, 2010, 11:27:40 am Gyles did you get the upgrade for the first gear ??
My box has a super beetle first but the rest of your spec is the same as mine. The only diference is I have the 3..88 r/p. I will have the ZF diff fiited before Gary's which I'm told is stronger As you say time will tell ::) Regards Ron Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on June 01, 2010, 13:37:33 pm Great weekend had at Shakey for Garys Picnic. Even rain on saturday and plenty of oil downs didn't stop the atmosphere being great. 8)
Steadily getting used to the new motor and how it pulls. Managed to get my time down to a new PB of 13.55 :D, so still a way to go to the 12's but I think its do-able. ??? I am confident that I would have managed to get the times down a few more tenths over the weekend, but on the monday I had a couple of runs where the 'box popped out of first on the start. Probably should have taken the warning as read, but decided to carry on (now without fanbelt) for one more run ::). Popped out of first again so slammed it into second and carried on but by the eighth mile the 'box sounded like it was chewing rocks :o. There ended my weekend of racing, but at least I still have the 12's to look forward to eh ;D Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: BeetleBug on June 01, 2010, 13:46:40 pm Sorry to learn about your gearbox.
Regarding your 12, how much do the car weigh? Best rgs BB Great weekend had at Shakey for Garys Picnic. Even rain on saturday and plenty of oil downs didn't stop the atmosphere being great. 8) Steadily getting used to the new motor and how it pulls. Managed to get my time down to a new PB of 13.55 :D, so still a way to go to the 12's but I think its do-able. ??? I am confident that I would have managed to get the times down a few more tenths over the weekend, but on the monday I had a couple of runs where the 'box popped out of first on the start. Probably should have taken the warning as read, but decided to carry on (now without fanbelt) for one more run ::). Popped out of first again so slammed it into second and carried on but by the eighth mile the 'box sounded like it was chewing rocks :o. There ended my weekend of racing, but at least I still have the 12's to look forward to eh ;D Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on June 01, 2010, 19:49:10 pm Never weighed the car BB. Its got a full 1200 interior and very few weight saving items, so I guess it must be 900kg?
Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: Black Sheep on June 02, 2010, 18:50:08 pm Never weighed the car BB. Its got a full 1200 interior and very few weight saving items, so I guess it must be 900kg? And a hell of a lot of cow hide ;D ;) Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: BeetleBug on June 02, 2010, 19:37:34 pm 900kg = 1980lbs / 194.6 flywheel hp - 10% (?) 175 at the back wheels = 13.101 and 104 mph. If the 194,6 is at the rear wheels = 12.61 and 108 mph.
Best rgs BB Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on June 02, 2010, 20:13:33 pm Blody Hell BB, you got maths bad :o
But thanks. Does that depend on the gearbox ratios or just the driver? Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: BeetleBug on June 02, 2010, 20:41:28 pm Blody Hell BB, you got maths bad :o But thanks. Does that depend on the gearbox ratios or just the driver? That is just a very simple calculation of a theoretical ET based on the cars weight and the HP but it has a tendency to be quite correct. Yes, your ratios will count and need to match your engine. No need for "race" ratios for your car with the current engine but on the other side it would benefit from a high ratio to get out from the line quickly due to the heavy weight. It is a little give and take :) Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: jamiep_jamiep on June 05, 2010, 10:17:02 am Sorry to hear about the box Mark! :( What are you going for in that dept. next?
Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: gyles on June 05, 2010, 19:45:21 pm Woahh its Jamie! ;D Long time no hear dude. Thought youd dropped off the face of the earth after I didnt see you at Volksworld Show. Hows yer shit?
Not sure what I'm doing with the box yet. Still not been brave enough to drain the oil and the car is still on the trailer where I left it. First step is to have a word with Peter at Cogbox and see what he can sort me out with. Trouble is I want to race and cruise so thats either not gonna happen or be really expensive ::) Got any cheap unwnated five speed boxes up your way ??? Title: Re: you wouldn't understand - it's a late model thing Post by: jamiep_jamiep on June 07, 2010, 07:47:51 am Hahaha, yeah man, I'ver been all over the place lately with one thing or another, busy busy busy.....
No 5 speeders I'm afraid up here! |