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Title: 1200turboT1 Post by: Jesse Wens on May 05, 2009, 11:50:36 am (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rf_mGqIEMGM/SfSpnDPg9mI/AAAAAAAAAG8/UpCaL6hZvtw/s400/DSC00262.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rf_mGqIEMGM/SfSqME-eBYI/AAAAAAAAAHE/Z-IEHAfp5D4/s400/DSC00264.jpg) and something else, fuel will be propane Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug in the making Post by: JSL on May 05, 2009, 13:41:35 pm Awesome!
This is something I wanted to do to my 1200cc as I have about 3 motors at home so can rob lots of parts! :) Is this a standard/stock 1200cc long block? I was told two things that put me off when talking with others about doing this. 1) There are issues with the oil flow on a 1200cc case therefore a 1300cc case (or bigger) are better to use as they have better oil flow. 2) The 1200c crank can only rev to around 4000rpm before it flex's and will either snap or cause serious damage Have you done anything to over come these issues? Or do you just not care ;D Hehe Would love to read more about your build! ;) What turbo/carb you used etc Cheers, J Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug in the making Post by: jamiep_jamiep on May 05, 2009, 16:27:58 pm Looks like a fun project ruffbiker!
Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug in the making Post by: vwcab on May 05, 2009, 22:24:09 pm Interesting....more info please. :o
Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug in the making Post by: Jesse Wens on May 06, 2009, 12:00:05 pm It used to be a box standard late 1200 so it has the big oilchannels and the 2 relief pistons. I don't know the history of this engine but it fired right up and drove without trouble.
Next thing I did was swap the heads for 1300DA heads, ad the 1.1 ratio rockers ,4 in 1 exhaust, 009 dizzy , put on a narrowed doghouse fanshroud with fan and cooler. With the shroud narrowed I could fit 2 36mm dell drla's. This was a great engine, good fueleconomy, responsive and faster then a stock 1600. I also believe that the cranckshaft might be the weak link in all this but I revved the engine unill there was no tomorrow and it still lives. I did give it the single gene berg springs. Next thing on the planning, turbo... First try was just that , a try. The car was slower than before. The turbo was to big and the exhaust piping let of the bit of pressure that could have made it do something. This is the second and more calculated try. The propane will be brought in before the turbo (like drawthrough), but the throttle is behind the turbo (like blowthrough). Hope to go to injection oneday but this will do for now.The plenum is waterjacketed and will be cooled by water going through the vaporiser (vaporisers freeze up when you don't heat them). We will add a coil through the exhaust or a cooler to bring the system in balance. Guess it wil need extra heating though. We'll be racing bugin, das drag day and the two circuit dragdays from keversite.nl in the fall. see you there Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug in the making Post by: JSL on May 06, 2009, 13:22:36 pm WOW!! Thats SWEET! :o
Cant wait to see it run! So good to hear all this can be done to a little 1200cc ;D Time to get inventive in the garage! ;) I wish you all the best with your INSANE 1200cc!! Please please post more pics and info when you can! J Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug in the making Post by: Paul da Graca on May 13, 2009, 12:18:38 pm What will the HP/PK/BHP will be on this motor!!! ;D
I will be buildling a 2332cc motor with a turbo that in our calculation will give me 300pk!!! My 66 bug is going to love me! Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug in the making Post by: Jesse Wens on May 17, 2009, 13:44:04 pm yours will be twice as big so mayby mine will have 150hp?
Would be nice Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug in the making Post by: Jesse Wens on May 26, 2009, 11:51:10 am Engine has ran. Tuning the litle beast has begun.
First outing end of june, dynorun will be made too. Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug in the making Post by: yvre on May 26, 2009, 22:16:02 pm I'm really curious to see how this thing runs!
Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug in the making Post by: JSL on May 27, 2009, 10:55:43 am Me too!! It sounds awesome!!! Keep us all posted ruffbiker! ;)
Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug in the making Post by: Airspeed on May 27, 2009, 13:41:10 pm 2) The 1200c crank can only rev to around 4000rpm before it flex's and will either snap or cause serious damage Have you done anything to over come these issues? Or do you just not care ;D Hehe If well build, those cranks with their tiny 77mm pistons can run well over 6K rpm ;) Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug in the making Post by: JSL on May 27, 2009, 17:03:47 pm Hahaha!! A little harsh maybe but ok ;D
"1200 cranks are good to 5,000, mine often sees 5,500rpm.....they snap at anything over 6,000.......but flexing starts as low as 4,000rpm...... (if you flex them too much, metal fatique sets in and it may snap at tick over when you least expect it !!) Bearing life on 1200 cranks often used above 4,500 is very short...expect less than 10,000 miles. The centre main wears on the sides but top to bottom remains untouched......." Yeah so I was 500rpm under. This is from a thread on VZI called HOT 1200 ok so its general rule of thumb. But makes sence to me and its a good read! :) Depends how lucky you are I guess ;D Cheers, J 2) The 1200c crank can only rev to around 4000rpm before it flex's and will either snap or cause serious damage Have you done anything to over come these issues? Or do you just not care ;D Hehe If well build, those cranks with their tiny 77mm pistons can run well over 6K rpm ;) Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug in the making Post by: Airspeed on May 30, 2009, 18:52:34 pm This is from a thread on VZI called HOT 1200 Ah, well, if you have read it on another forum, it must be true then.. :P It must be a 'callook thing' I don't understand... :D ;D Proof your 'lend' statement is bollocks: 1200 tuning challenge am 1Mei Meeting Hannover germany this year. This turbo 1200 has a stock 1200 case, crank and rods and was tuned by a friend of mine: www.turboboxer.de Das Auto: (http://Das Video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHUAvezCOnsDas Resultat![URL=http://img27.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1001981h.jpg][img]http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7360/1001981h.jpg) (http://img27.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1001973.jpg) The engine was restricted because of a limiter set accidently a 6100 rpm, while the engine clearly wanted more... Your were saying? ;D Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug in the making Post by: Jesse Wens on June 01, 2009, 19:16:57 pm Just made the first testdrive. It's going to be an interesting summer.
Drives like a dream. Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug in the making Post by: JSL on June 01, 2009, 22:13:33 pm Sweet!
Great to hear its running like a dream! ;D I just started the strip down and check over of my little 1200cc project, all looks good! Cant wait to get stuck in! :D Ruffbiker, do you mind me asking what carb & turbo you are using? Please keep pics and updates coming 8) J Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug in the making Post by: Jesse Wens on June 06, 2009, 12:16:55 pm The turbo comes from the psa group (citroen peugeot)
It's the one used on the 1400cc diesels in several of the smaller cars. should be easy to find The engine in my setup doesn't have a carb. It's liquid propane powered and is fueled by a venturi that's located between the turbo and the airfilter. Throttlebody is after the turbo and is from a bmw motorcycle. To answer the question coming, yes gas is going through the hot turbo and no it doesn't explode. see you all this summer going to budel ebi3 spa ddd kcd practicedays Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug in the making Post by: yvre on June 06, 2009, 20:29:49 pm What about a pic of the car so we can find you at those events?
Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug in the making Post by: JSL on June 07, 2009, 12:36:49 pm Yes! A pic of your ride would help find you ;) I just picked up a Garret T2 and 1300 twinport heads for my little 1200cc motor :-) I definitely going to EBI3 & BugJam Cheers J Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug in the making Post by: Jesse Wens on June 09, 2009, 21:51:03 pm (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2362/2370969711_4a9986894d_o.jpg)
We ran the car at ebi last year with a 1200 with double drla's. At ddd with a try out turbosystem wich was slower then the carb engine. So yes, we we're the slow,crapy car from last year That's when we decided to do it the right way, this way. Come over this summer when you see us, we love the looks of disbelieve ;D Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug in the making Post by: yvre on June 10, 2009, 08:47:18 am I remember it now...
Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug in the making Post by: Jesse Wens on June 12, 2009, 16:46:25 pm We've certainly improved in looks, let's hope the timeslips will be equaly better
Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug in the making Post by: Jesse Wens on July 06, 2009, 11:56:57 am 15.421 @ ebi3
1200cc turbo lpg no trailerqueen Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug 15.421s @ebi3 Post by: AntLockyer on July 06, 2009, 19:14:14 pm Nice work!!!
Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug 15.421s @ebi3 Post by: sven on July 06, 2009, 20:25:32 pm this is definitely thinking out of the box.
Good luck and see you at the track. Sven Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug in the making Post by: JSL on July 07, 2009, 11:22:47 am 15.421 @ ebi3 1200cc turbo lpg no trailerqueen Hey Ruffbiker! Watched you race! It ran sweet! Well done for such an impressive time on such a small motor! Shame I couldnt find you later to chat and have a look at it, but very impressive! Well done! J Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug 15.421s @ebi3 Post by: nicolas on July 08, 2009, 16:54:59 pm it was fun seeing that car race. great fun indeed.
see you guys again at the next event. Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug 15.421s @ebi3 Post by: jamiep_jamiep on July 09, 2009, 08:44:30 am Wow, thats a great time for a 1200!
Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug 15.421s @ebi3 Post by: Jesse Wens on August 11, 2009, 18:25:30 pm we're still running a standard camshaft.
Now a new one is needed and I thinking what would suit the engine better. A bit more lift, same duration and bigger lobe center.... Anybody knows something like that or do I have to have a custom one made? any help appreciated. How fast can a 1200cc engine go....? Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug 15.421s @ebi3 Post by: mr horsepower on August 14, 2009, 20:30:46 pm untill it blows up jesse
7.2 litre topfuel engine 8000 hp 1.2 litre vw on nitromethane thats 1320 hp in theory. gr henri Title: 1200 cc turbobug 15.421s @ebi3 Post by: Jesse Wens on September 12, 2009, 17:35:25 pm I just read this now henry,
Nitromethane won't be our choice of fuel for a couple of years but maybe oneday... ;D Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug 15.421s @ebi3 Post by: Jesse Wens on September 21, 2009, 11:56:36 am We just had a wonderful weekend at ddd7.
500 km and numerous runs on both days. Best was a 15.25 This is a new personal best and it sure isn't the end of the story. jesse Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug 15.421s @ebi3 Post by: lowfastbus on September 21, 2009, 20:16:58 pm Congrats guys!
And thanks again for the advice about lowering tire pressure... worked a charm, no more spin ... and a destroyed gearbox ;) Jelle Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug 15.421s @ebi3 Post by: Jesse Wens on September 22, 2009, 11:54:12 am on the bright side, you we're wondering what to change first to go faster next year, that would be the gearbox now.
all kidding aside, I hope you can drive again soon. jesse Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug 15.421s @ebi3 Post by: Udo on September 23, 2009, 22:00:07 pm we're still running a standard camshaft. Now a new one is needed and I thinking what would suit the engine better. A bit more lift, same duration and bigger lobe center.... Anybody knows something like that or do I have to have a custom one made? any help appreciated. How fast can a 1200cc engine go....? I think an original 1600 cam would be good . I have a Pauter cam that i use for 1600 engines with original carburator smaller than W100.. Udo Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug 15.25s @ddd7 Post by: Jesse Wens on September 25, 2009, 19:33:39 pm I've also been advised towards the standard wbx camshaft with solid lifters. What do you think about this udo?
Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug 15.25s @ddd7 Post by: Udo on September 25, 2009, 22:28:16 pm The WBX cam is designed for hydraulik lifters , but i know some people using it for a one carburator engine with solid lifters . I would go with a Pauter cam..
Udo Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug 15.25s @ddd7 Post by: Peter on September 28, 2009, 12:12:17 pm i have
Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug 15.25s @ddd7 Post by: Peter on September 28, 2009, 12:12:55 pm i have a 1600 cam lying around, you can have it if you want....
Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug 15.25s @ddd7 Post by: Jesse Wens on September 29, 2009, 19:37:28 pm Very nice of you but I have a stock cam laying around too so it won't be neccesairy.
thanks anyway Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug 15.25s @ddd7 Post by: Jesse Wens on December 06, 2009, 11:45:23 am so, plans for 2010 have been made.
There was a tapping sound in the bottem end which was already our second bottem end. Wanting to keep it 1200 was the plan but building a bombproof bottem end would take some time, experimenting and money so following our credo, go fast with the least amount of money we looked in our pile of used parts. A Wbx has joined this pile this year. We'll be taking the bottem end of the 1900, making it aircooled. That way we have the strongest bottemend vw ever made. To that we add the 77 cilinders , rods and heads of a 1300. This gives us a 1300, 100 cc more so the turbosystem can be reused as we don't feel like making an other one just yet. This setup is very expandable towards futere years. bore can go the 4 inch and stroke to.... We'll probably not push it that far but the option is there. The plan is to keep the car roadlegal to so we'll be able to drive it everywhere. My goal for next year is low 14's, that should put the bad bitch on the map. happy wrenching everybody and see you in the summer Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug 15.25s @ddd7 Post by: Tekken on December 11, 2009, 20:53:38 pm Hey buddy!
Keep up the good work,look forward to see your new wbx engine. Kind regards. Stian Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug 15.25s @ddd7 Post by: Jesse Wens on December 13, 2009, 13:31:26 pm Thanks stian,
You'll be able to see it @ the scandinavian callook classic. I had lots of fun last year but it sucked not being able to race. This year we'll drive over there and see how fast the fastest track of europe will make our car. see you at scc Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug 15.25s @ddd7 Post by: Jesse Wens on December 20, 2009, 14:16:11 pm Added the intercooler /spoiler this week, waterinjection is made to work better to, this should get temperatures under control.
Wbx case is appart and partialy cleaned, ready to be machined. Waiting on cam and lifters now to start working on the lifter bores. (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_rf_mGqIEMGM/Sy0e6A5c-PI/AAAAAAAAAJQ/7qP0omfY56g/s400/DSC00652.JPG) (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rf_mGqIEMGM/Sy0ffWZRPnI/AAAAAAAAAJo/zvSSoP4AYKI/s400/DSC00646.JPG) (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rf_mGqIEMGM/Sy0eh_yQNRI/AAAAAAAAAJA/03Ta0sPtti0/s400/DSC00647.JPG) One of the next things will be electronic controlled twin spark. Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug 15.25s @ddd7 Post by: Jesse Wens on March 24, 2010, 20:37:49 pm So I told you guys we we're going oxyboxer. Here are the first pictures.
Case registers are reduced by rings to fit type 1 jugs and threads in case have been moved to fit type 1 heads. In this case it will be 77 mm cilinders and 1300dp heads with twin plugs. The crank will be 69mm from 1900 wbx. (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_rf_mGqIEMGM/S6pnRKav-zI/AAAAAAAAAO4/_0bks64ts28/s1600/DSC00683.JPG) (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rf_mGqIEMGM/S6pnLpucqeI/AAAAAAAAAOw/KZW7LWh2z18/s1600/DSC00682.JPG) (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_rf_mGqIEMGM/S6pnFra9MaI/AAAAAAAAAOo/PHwp1pS_e2I/s1600/DSC00680.JPG) (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rf_mGqIEMGM/S6pm_PGWHMI/AAAAAAAAAOg/VHzTDkIM4v8/s1600/DSC00679.JPG) (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rf_mGqIEMGM/S6pm49MHQxI/AAAAAAAAAOY/Kov9pnNPqvk/s1600/DSC00678.JPG) Title: Re: 1200t1=>1300t5 turbo Post by: Jesse Wens on April 20, 2010, 20:54:39 pm http://www.youtube.com/v/VONw_zjNFKM&hl=nl_NL&fs=1&rel=0&color1=0x3a3a3a&color2=0x999999&border=1
One of our take offs at european bugin, brings back good memory's. http://www.youtube.com/v/jowlRiQFER8&hl=nl_NL&fs=1&rel=0&color1=0x3a3a3a&color2=0x999999&border=1 (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rf_mGqIEMGM/S3xGbw14fRI/AAAAAAAAANQ/XwUg7RgFWaY/s1600/DDD2009-0038.jpg) One more take off at das drag day 2009 Title: Re: 1200t1=>1300t5 turbo Post by: Jesse Wens on April 20, 2010, 21:09:56 pm Picture of cage, feultank and coilpacks for twin spark coil on plug.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rf_mGqIEMGM/S645QZ8oEDI/AAAAAAAAAPI/IS2CxarxJtk/s400/DSC00686.JPG) Title: Re: 1200 cc turbobug 15.25s @ddd7 Post by: mymedusa on August 29, 2010, 13:59:40 pm (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rf_mGqIEMGM/S6pm_PGWHMI/AAAAAAAAAOg/VHzTDkIM4v8/s1600/DSC00679.JPG) (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rf_mGqIEMGM/S6pm49MHQxI/AAAAAAAAAOY/Kov9pnNPqvk/s1600/DSC00678.JPG) hi jessi, how did you relocate the stud holes? is this a kind of JB weld? or how did you do that? wishes from germany chris Title: Re: 1200t1=>1300t5 turbo Post by: Jesse Wens on August 29, 2010, 19:31:27 pm we drilled the original holes bigger, threated them. inserted a big bolt and rhen drilled a new hole offset in the big bolt.
Title: Re: 1200t1=>1300t5 turbo Post by: mymedusa on August 30, 2010, 12:30:38 pm thanks jesse, that was my second thought.
why the 8 coils? would not 2 coild and a nissan cap be more than enough? any progress in the last months? wishes christian Title: Re: 1200t1=>1300t5 turbo Post by: Jesse Wens on August 30, 2010, 18:48:08 pm Coil on plug seemed nice to have. been thinking about something else too. Wont be nissan but other make. I'll post a picture when I'm done with the idea.
We had a massive lpg backfire and blew most of the system. Now busy with the oxyboxer. The engine will probably get bigger then a 1300 but we're still gatering cheap parts. We decided to think it through this time and make it work reliably for the future. Got me a new camera so I'll be able to take some pictures and post them. |