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Title: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Jordy/DVK on January 03, 2007, 23:52:38 pm Hey Guys, I'd like to know which shifters you use and if you're happy with it.. Which one do you have now? (brand/type) What's the reduction in throw (40% or 60%) And what do you think of it? Thanks, Jordy ;) Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Dokke/DFL on January 03, 2007, 23:57:52 pm Berg, 40% and yes I'm happy with it ...
Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Diederick/DVK on January 03, 2007, 23:59:14 pm Angled SCAT shifter, quite sure it's 40%
While driving it's a dream stepping up for a stock shifter. It's just that while idling my reverse gear is a little tricky to find sometimes, but that might be due to my shift coupler... :-\ Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: speedwell on January 04, 2007, 00:05:53 am i use dds shifter but never run with ::)
Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Jordy/DVK on January 04, 2007, 00:09:07 am I was thinking of going for a BERG just because of the name. But I figured that maybe the guys from the USA who have better access to all those cool Type 1 tuning parts got experiences with other brands than BERG..
I do want to invest in a good shifter, because I think the effect of a different (and poor quality) shifter is very noticeable... I'm still stirring my gearbox with a STD shifter btw... Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: herrvee on January 04, 2007, 00:37:56 am I currently use a "indy" Hurst.
I had some problem to adjust it but now it is ok and run smooth, reduction about 40% Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Jøran Larssen on January 04, 2007, 00:41:47 am I use a Empi Eliminator in my Ghia, and I have managed to use it at the track as well, but they do need accurate adjusting.
My favorite shifter at the moment is the new CSP shifter. I have a 60% in my 66 racecar and a 40% in my 62 Beetle. Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: richie on January 04, 2007, 01:46:54 am berg 40 %,had it 11 years now and still sweet as candy,when set up welll its the perfect combo in my opinon,cheers richie,uk
Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Lee.C on January 04, 2007, 02:24:01 am Berg 40% or 60% depending on your preference - they are simply the best shifters ever made for a VW
Also this is just a personal opinion but The Empi Eliminator has to be the WORST shifter ever made for a VW - I had an Original for about a year then fitted it in the Manx and promtly sold it about a month later because it was sooooo BAD and there's no way I could justify have that much money tied up in something I was never gonna use :) Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Jordy/DVK on January 04, 2007, 02:59:51 am I think it's too bad GENE BERG quit selling those shifters with black handles. I can only find the polished ones. I think the black looks good with with my red paint and black/white interior... Does anyone perhaps know one for sale? (40% for '68 Bug) Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Lee.C on January 04, 2007, 03:23:08 am Try looking on www.thesamba.com there's always a few on there :)
Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Zach Gomulka on January 04, 2007, 09:33:25 am I have a Hurst INDY in the Fastback. It took some getting used to, it shifts "ok". The GTV has the E-Z-R, shifts quite well, I was really surprised! I have a Berg in my '67 (bought new in '99), and it is by far the best, but I have decided to replace it with a DDS since that will be more period correct. The Scat and new EMPI shifters are GARBAGE!!!
Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Diederick/DVK on January 04, 2007, 09:43:12 am (http://images.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/pix/891355.jpg)
so which one is it i'd wanna get? at first glance, i'd say the 12" X bend... Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Andi/DFL on January 04, 2007, 11:52:27 am Scat shifter. Very happy with it and pretty good quality, although I really like the new CSP shifters and maybe I'll order one.
Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Jordy/DVK on January 04, 2007, 12:42:53 pm I think the CSP shifters look a bit too modern for a classic bug... But I am also considering a CSP, because I think for € 189,- it'll be money well spent... (And I don't have to hassle with payment/shipping overseas...) And I have yet to figure out exactly what type I need... Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Diederick/DVK on January 04, 2007, 13:44:42 pm I think the CSP shifters look a bit too modern for a classic bug... But I am also considering a CSP, because I think for € 189,- it'll be money well spent... (And I don't have to hassle with payment/shipping overseas...) And I have yet to figure out exactly what type I need... jordy, for that kind of money you can get a neat berg shifter off thesamba! especially with the current $/euro rate! my 2 cents Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: The Ideaman on January 04, 2007, 15:12:14 pm Diederick, I'd use a Berg shifter. My preference is a 40% with the extra bend, as I'm not really tall. If I buy another, I may go with a 14" with the bend.
Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Rune on January 04, 2007, 15:57:41 pm I use an old fingergrip 40% Berg shifter. The Berg shifters are the best in my opinion. With that said I really like the old copper Hurst shifters as well, looks cool and shifts good too
Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Rocket-Racing on January 04, 2007, 17:21:10 pm For street use I just love the old Hurst "trigger" shifters. Very nice to use and looks just right in my eyes. They come in both chrome and copper finish. Both nice, but the copper looks less like the Empi replica...
Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: lowfastbus on January 04, 2007, 18:25:40 pm In my street/race car I currently use a replica Scat shifter, I think it shifts good but I'm about the only one who can shift with it.
It's much getting use to... really like the hurst shifters too, especcially the copper ones. Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Mauro Cattan on January 04, 2007, 18:34:03 pm I use a Hurst Copper, it works very very well, it's period correct and it's fabulous, so it's perfect ;D ;D
Ciao Mauro Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Turtle001 on January 04, 2007, 19:37:23 pm i got a NOS Hurst shifter on the way ;)
Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Frank LUX on January 04, 2007, 19:50:28 pm Original Berg Fingergrip 60%, for me the Best Shifter in the Wolrd!!!
Frank Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Diederick/DVK on January 04, 2007, 20:25:17 pm i got a NOS Hurst shifter on the way ;) Those belgians and their NOS addiction ??? ;D ;) Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Jordy/DVK on January 04, 2007, 20:29:41 pm But isn't a 60% reduction too much for daily use?
Because otherwise >> http://cal-look.no/lounge/index.php?topic=820.0 8) And Turtle, don't give me too much info, I don't hesitate kidnapping a postman for a NOS Hurst shifter... ;) Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Frank LUX on January 04, 2007, 20:56:12 pm But isn't a 60% reduction too much for daily use? Because otherwise >> http://cal-look.no/lounge/index.php?topic=820.0 8) And Turtle, don't give me too much info, I don't hesitate kidnapping a postman for a NOS Hurst shifter... ;) I had a 40% shifter before but i prefer the 60% one, shifts a lot faster....I don't think it would be a Problem in a dailey Driver.... Frank Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Frank LUX on January 04, 2007, 20:58:12 pm i got a NOS Hurst shifter on the way ;) Those belgians and their NOS addiction ??? ;D ;) What do you want more than Brand New Old original Parts that have never been used...or do you prefer old used Junk??? ;) ;D Frank Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: 69Stu on January 04, 2007, 21:19:33 pm After trying a strange VWS shifter and an Empi one I won't be using anything else but my Berg 40%, nice solid accurate gear changes.
Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Lee.C on January 05, 2007, 02:17:31 am I must admit I prefer the 60% myself - I had one in the manx for a while and it was SUPERB but it was a friends and I had to give it back :'( I am now running an Old Skool "SPARKOMATIC" shifter - it just a formula vee type with a nice base piece that goes with it (wait for the next volksworld magazine for a better look ;)) as a shifter its OK :-\ but I WILL be fitting a new berg 60% for the Cruz down to Bug In :)
I do Have an old skool Berg5 shifter handle if anyone is interested ??? ??? ??? Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Zach Gomulka on January 05, 2007, 02:24:36 am I had the 40% Berg in my '67 and a buddy had a 60% in his '62 so we traded up for awhile. At first it felt waaaayyy too close, but I got used to it. When we traded back I could hardly believe the difference! The throw on the 40% felt miles longer than the 60%! As far as Berg shifters go, I chose the 60%.
Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Jon on January 05, 2007, 10:13:48 am I have been using a copper Hurst for years, but I’m not that impressed. The construction is to flimsy for hard and fast shifting. That’s why I now use a Berg shifter, its not a world apart, but its more solid and takes the beating easy.
I have never split my Berg to see the magic, but from the Berg catalogue I see its just a steel ball jammed between two plastic plates/rings, much like the Hurst/Empi. It's not rocket science, so I guess there must be a "copy" out there that is just as sturdy... for those on a budget. Some of the cheep shifters I have seen appears to even have the same base as the Berg? Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Lids on January 05, 2007, 15:33:46 pm I have used an EZR for 10 years now, no problems until I came to fit my new gearbox and had lots of difficulties finding gears. Have put the stock shifter in for now and will run it like this for 12 months or so and then possible either go back to the EMPI or maybe stick a Berg in.
Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Pekka on January 05, 2007, 16:25:17 pm I had a vintage 9 1/2" Berg in my '65 Ghia and I loved it! It never even needed any adjustment, just bolt it on and run it. My '59 bug will get another vintage Berg, this time a Ilocker. After running a Berg I'm not going to change to another brand, ever. Form, function, style, quality and reputation in a combination you juts cannot beat. But let me tell you that locker is a bitch to adjust >:( I never got it to shift right in my Notch. So Berg all the way and they are one item which does not depreciate with age!
Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Mito on January 05, 2007, 16:39:23 pm 60% Berg in my '66 bug, i like this shifter very much. I will buy 60% Berg to my '54 bug when it rolls someday :)
Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: JeePee/DVK on January 05, 2007, 23:49:25 pm I use a Berg 60% and use is in my streetcar.
(http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/3596/int03ya9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us) (http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/6518/genebergwcpooktp8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us) And what do you think about this one Jordy?? Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Diederick/DVK on January 06, 2007, 00:31:00 am (http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/6518/genebergwcpooktp8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us) And what do you think about this one Jordy?? Haha, amazing!! :D Glad to see it's at least nice and clean :P Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: alex d on January 08, 2007, 12:49:55 pm I use a stocker with a quickshift
did I mention I am cheap? ;D Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: maX cal-look on January 08, 2007, 13:20:41 pm I use Berg 40% in my daily.
And a Flat4 Eliminator repro with Hurst top ... I will dance nude for a complet Hurst or a DDS shifters !!! ;D ;) Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Type1/DVK on January 08, 2007, 15:23:37 pm and wich is 'best'?
bend, 12" 14" straight? Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Jordy/DVK on January 08, 2007, 15:45:36 pm Depends on your car. Early cars (i believe) ->55 and 68-> bugs had the shifter location somewhat closer to the driver. For those cars you'll need a straight shifter to keep the handle in its original position, for cars with a bend in the shifter you need the one with the bend. If you have a car from 55 thru 67 you could take a straight shifter to move the handle forward (if you have long arms) or the one with the extra bend if you want it closer to you. For early and 68-> bugs you can take the one with the bend to move it closer and the one with the extra bend to move it extra close... The length of the handle, and % of reduction also depends on what you prefer.. I believe 12" is the right length to keep it original. (don't know for sure) Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Ulcera on January 09, 2007, 22:03:10 pm (http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/7240/internoovaleiv7.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
....for me that I'm not so tall the 12" Berg in my '56 is the Top! ;) Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Diederick/DVK on January 10, 2007, 02:35:58 am and it looks the shizzle my nizzle!! ;)
i love your tachometer, cazzutissimo! how period correct!! ben fatto, continua così!!!! Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: ugly duckling on January 14, 2007, 19:49:38 pm ive used berg shifters for 25 years and there a darn good shifter. but i wanted somthing different theys days so i went to the old style hurst its the right hight and it works flawless with very easy ajustment and it just has that vintage race look to it. SS. ;)
Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: SixTeeSeven on January 25, 2007, 02:36:14 am I bought a old gear shifter from ebay it was made by Hurst and was called an Indy shifter. I put in in my '72 and it was terrible the gears used the make a crunching nosie. So I sold it on ebay and bought a berg locking shifter which was very expensive but really really good. I am using it in my 1972 beetle but when I sell it Iwill keep the gene berg gear stick and put it in my 1967 I am getting
Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Rick Meredith on January 25, 2007, 02:53:33 am I bought a old gear shifter from ebay it was made by Hurst and was called an Indy shifter. I put in in my '72 and it was terrible the gears used the make a crunching nosie. So I sold it on ebay and bought a berg locking shifter which was very expensive but really really good. I am using it in my 1972 beetle but when I sell it Iwill keep the gene berg gear stick and put it in my 1967 I am getting The Indy Shifter is not the Hurst shifter to use. You need the one with the round ball and the loop to pull up on the engage reverse. Don't know that they ever had a model name Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: thehanz DVK on January 25, 2007, 06:39:18 am i was first using the empi trigger shifter and was not happy with it, didn't shift well, now i have berg shifters for both of my cars and this is working fine, on the other hand the CSP shifters looking great also and as far as i heard also work great...
Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Stephan32 on January 28, 2007, 13:31:40 pm Hi.
I have used a Berg Shifter for some years. I have to say I switched to a CSP 60% shifter, it works a dream. Would never buy anything else. Stephan 8) Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Type1/DVK on January 28, 2007, 13:52:53 pm recently bought a GB6710
(http://www.xs4all.nl/~martijnc/berg.jpg) The CSP shifter looks to 'modern-clean' imho.. ::) Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: californiakid on January 28, 2007, 23:49:24 pm Berg, nothing else for me.
Had a locker for 20 yrs and still like new!! Built with quality and built to last. Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Dokke/DFL on January 29, 2007, 10:09:00 am Stephan 32 : which one do you have ? straight, angled or short angled ?
Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Eddie DVK on January 30, 2007, 18:34:15 pm I have a Flat4 Eliminator repro with black ball as a handle....it took me a while to adjust it and I am still not completly happy....
It s not that smooth as I want it to be..... Kind regards edgar Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: JS on January 30, 2007, 18:51:42 pm I have a Scat Drag-Fast shifter which is an excellent shifter technically, but i don´t really like the look of it so i´m changing it for a older Berg.
Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: AlGhia on January 31, 2007, 09:46:30 am I have used Bergs on my bug and ghia and love them, I am about to do another and picked up an original Hurst, so will see how it compares (I must admit I do like the look of the Hurst).
Whilst we are on the subject of Shifters, is $500 bucks a good deal on a DDS shifter 8)? Looks good apart from a small piece of the handle is chipped (where it fits the shaft)! Al Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: kkwa on February 08, 2007, 03:01:09 am i´m using an Berg 40% "fingergrip" model.. Can anybody tell me when they stopped making those? I wonder how old mine is. Still works perfectly..
Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Lee.C on February 08, 2007, 23:49:00 pm I have used Bergs on my bug and ghia and love them, I am about to do another and picked up an original Hurst, so will see how it compares (I must admit I do like the look of the Hurst). Whilst we are on the subject of Shifters, is $500 bucks a good deal on a DDS shifter 8)? Looks good apart from a small piece of the handle is chipped (where it fits the shaft)! Al Your watching that one on ebay to then ;) it is very very hard to find one that has a perfect handle, I love the look of the DDS shifter :) Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Frank LUX on February 09, 2007, 00:03:13 am i´m using an Berg 40% "fingergrip" model.. Can anybody tell me when they stopped making those? I wonder how old mine is. Still works perfectly.. The Finger Grip Handle is Available again for a couple of Years now... ;) If you have an Original one the fixing screws of the handle should be at 4o' clock position... ;) ;) ;) Frank Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: AlGhia on February 09, 2007, 00:09:19 am I have used Bergs on my bug and ghia and love them, I am about to do another and picked up an original Hurst, so will see how it compares (I must admit I do like the look of the Hurst). Whilst we are on the subject of Shifters, is $500 bucks a good deal on a DDS shifter 8)? Looks good apart from a small piece of the handle is chipped (where it fits the shaft)! Al Your watching that one on ebay to then ;) it is very very hard to find one that has a perfect handle, I love the look of the DDS shifter :) Yeh, but no good for a 5, unnecessary luxury 8) Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: kkwa on February 09, 2007, 00:39:08 am i´m using an Berg 40% "fingergrip" model.. Can anybody tell me when they stopped making those? I wonder how old mine is. Still works perfectly.. The Finger Grip Handle is Available again for a couple of Years now... ;) If you have an Original one the fixing screws of the handle should be at 4o' clock position... ;) ;) ;) Frank Mine is not a "repoop" shifter.. Ive had it for 10years allready.. ;) It came from a buggy build in the early 80`s.. Heres a picture.. And i need no comments on the shitty black el cheapo floormats.. (http://teamangoraracing.dk/forum/extensions/Attachments/image.php?CommentID=315&File=interior.jpg&Type=Image) Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: 3sche on February 10, 2007, 01:01:40 am nice floormats ;D
Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: kkwa on February 10, 2007, 01:22:57 am nice floormats ;D They are yours.. When are you gonna pick em up? :p Title: Re: [SHIFTERS] - Which do you use and what do you think of it? Post by: Tom G. on February 10, 2007, 13:15:55 pm i use the scat drag fast..it looks nice..it funtions nice...good value for low price!!
But in next time i will go also for CSP shifter 40% :-) as a german i like german quality works...!! Bye Tom |