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I'm looking for some pointers

my car starts fine but on long journeys when i stop for short periods and try to start my car the starter is real lazy. if I leave it a while say abut 30mins and try to start it again its fine

I have checked and the battery at the point when the starter lazy and it has 12 volts so it hasn't run flat, when running the alternator is pumping out about 14 volts I've replaced the battery and alternator and tried another second hand starter I had but there's this irritating problem 

anyone had this happen  any tips ??

starter bushing worn out and starter shaft binding in it?

could this be an early gear box (ie small cross shaft type) late stater miss match

That would be my guess too!

change your starter bushing (the one in the gearbox housing), and see if that cures your problem.

or jst throw in a self supporting starter from an Autostick or Thing..it is stronger too.

I'd check the condition of the wiring to and from the ignition switch as well. A less than mediocre connection somewhere and or older wiring ... it adds up and the heat compounds the voltage loss.
Just an idea.
Have you tried jumping the starter at the solenoid when it is lazy?
Tom

My car used to do that as well, but I added a booster relay and it solved the problem.

thanks guys

I'll try the bush and double check all the wires next

ps Redwagen what relay did you use

Don't mean to but in, BUT ... you can use any load reduction relay or the old Ford starter solenoid type, it's up to you. I've installed many of all types over the years with great success.
There is great info on this in the old Gene Berg catalogs ...
Good luck with it!
Tom

Not that I should talk.... ::) (my steerling lock Euro ignition switch is taking a dive after 43 years  :-[)

BUT
I would use a Bosch SR17X starter (VW # 039 911 023X or Bosch 0 001 212 002) along with the Bosch hard start relay kit.
Easy to install and the SR17X doesn't need a bushing.

good luck
Jim

Is it the electrical or the lock itself? I found the electrical on ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VW-BUG-W-LOCKABLE-COLUMN-IGNITION-SWITCH-NOS-61-67-OE_W0QQitemZ250170022574QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item3a3f4b9aae&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1171|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318

Ron just always park it on top of a hill and then roll down and bump start it.

You know what i don't know what you would do with out my help. :D ;D

out for a ride yesterday when it stalled on a level crossing not funny

should have seen how fast the kids and wife tried to get out the car while I was trying to get it started again

yes this is true  ::)

;D ;D ;D ;D pix please  8)

didnt have time for that  :-\

I remember breaking down in my Karmann Ghia one night coming home from uni - my own fault for stopping for chips when I knew the starter was tempramental... I was under the car whacking the starter with a hammer when I saw the blue lights come on as a police car pulled in behind. I think I got lucky as not only did the two coppers lend me a torch so I could see what I was doing, when it still wouldn't start they gave me a push start! Turns out they'd both had beetles back in their teens and early 20's!

Back on topic, that ended up being the starter motor bushing at fault! :D

I'll be under the car this week checking the bushing and wiring

also bought a hard starting relay and wiring kit from ebay last night

and have a new start motor to try as well