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So I am in the process of clipping the rear of my '67 and need some help!!  What I have is a '67 clip all the way to the firewall and an NOS apron.  I cut the back of the car off and left about 8" of extra material so I can decide where to finish it off.  

What I need help on is deciding the best solution to mating the two together and maintaining the correct length.  How do I do this?
should I get it to within an inch or so and wrap the new one around and make my line? other than that idea I really don't know.  
Thanks, Taylor

You have a pm. 8)

mail back at ya!

Taylor, I'd fix it on with Dzus fasteners so that you can get to the motor easily. I've got a couple of pics of the rear end of my old race car on my computer at home and they show how much access there is with the rear end removed. With the rear wings on you can only see two little cuts between the wing and the decklid opening. I'll dig out the pics when I go home.

Well, time for an update.  I ended up dragging my car down to John Palmer in CA and he took care of the clip job for me.  I am really happy with the result and the blend job on the paint.  I am not trying to build a show car here but John went over it very well and almost made me want to have him do up the whole thing.  Anyway, I got the new Rancho trans in to roll it around and drug out all my motor stuff to get it rolling again.  I will be updating this post more now that I got the fire again and am looking to be at classic this year (with car.)  

The motor is looking good now and should be on the dyno in a few weeks.  I am going to rewire the car due to the birds nest under the hood and hopefully be rolling by may.

Here are a few small pictures of the work John(piddler) did for me



EDIT: I attached the same pic twice. Here is the other one.

Wow, that looks fantastic.  John seems to do great work!  I would be severely motivated if that was my car also.  Thumbs up!

Looks killer!!

Looks Great

very nice

Good to see a panel guy who loves old cars, great job.

....so the rear valance isn't removable?

Look's Awwwwsome....!!!..Right on....!!

 - very nice.  Great Year / color combo too . . .    8)

Looks killer.  Very nice job

Update:

I ran into a small problem with the motor last week, it appears that the No.3 cylinder bore, in the case, is machined roughly .020-.025 closer to No.4 than it should be.  This wouldn't even be noticeable except that my pistons are unique in that the pin is only 2" so clearance is tight.  So i had to send the rods back to Pauter to be massaged by .025 on the flywheel side of each rod small end, to make sure they were all the same.  I got them back in record time and they did a great job (as usual) and now we are back on track.  I also sent my cylinders out to be finish honed and I should get those back by Mon.  Cylinder shims were ordered and the manifolds should be back shortly.  I am pushing to get the motor done and running by the end of the month or first week of April.  

Motor Specs:
80mm crank chevy journal
5.4" Pauter rods with Honda wrist pins
94mm CP dished pistons
044s ported by Anthony at Heads up
44x37 manley Ti valves with brass seats and psi springs
Pauter cam with .600 at valve
pauter 1.5 rollers
48 IDAs

Wow. Very cool Taylor.
What do those pistons weigh compared to a comparable Cima? What cylinders are you using?

These are 286 grams and the pins are 64 :D grams.  I just weighed a cima and my little crappy scale said 377grams for the piston  and 135grams for the pin. The rods I have are 500grams

hi taylor

glad you got someone to do the job well,looks like John did a really nice job there :)   look forward to seeing you using it and putting some passes on it with that engine,sounds like it will be quite a beast :o 8)

cheers richie

Working on the engine today!! My favorite part of any car.  But I forgot how much work it is, it seems it's screw together,  find issue,  take apart and repeat ...1,000 times. I swear the bearings are worn out before it ever runs. Anyway,  it's going rather smooth for a "ground up" build and I could/should have it running on the Dyno in 2the weeks.  I had some used C/E timing gears from my old motor but sourced a set of new magnums instead so now I have to reset cam timing.   My biggest dilemma right now is getting these Paired 1.5s under a decent cover. Any suggestions?

The list of things to do on my white boards getting shorter and next will be filing the rings, which I hate, and check piston to valve clearance again. Then its cut cylinder studs and glue it together.

looks good man   I see u got the package i sent ya...

nice :)   The scat stainless covers seem to offer the most clearance for big rockers

cheers richie

Ben, sure did!  thanks buddy, I'll be calling you.

Richie,  I have some SCATs but can a steel fitting be welded to stainless?  I'll get it sorted out soon.

Yep no problem doing that,done alot,if you really want to waste money youy could get stainless weld on fittings!!!!!

cheers richie

Taylor, I just found this thread.

Glad your happy with my rear clip work, it was a fun project.  It was apparent that you looked "long and far" to find some "nice original" 1967 sheet metal.  That NOS apron, really made it a much easier repair, and to get everything to fit correctly.  Nothing like original parts when they are available.

Good luck on the machine work on your motor.  Remember, it's a big difference between a motor that was "just built", and one that "was assembled"! 

See ya at the Bug In, or for sure at The Classic.

John Palmer

Small Update,

Well, I got the motor done...
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 and running.... big step!    I drug it down to Head's Up Performance in CA for a dyno session.  I figured that being Bug-In weekend Roger would be busy but when I called he said bring it,  so I got there Thursday and had it on the dyno and running by the evening.  We did about 5, 3-4 min, break-in runs on Thursday night to get everything seated and left it there for the night.  On Friday, we did a few more break-in runs and 2 low load/rpm runs to make sure the rings sealed up.  After all that it was time to make some power pulls!  On the first run we pulled it to 6500 and it made 191hp  not bad I guess but I was a bit put off thinking what a piece!  Turns out I am retarded and had the timing north of 40*.  Rolled the distributor back to 30* and made a blast to 6500 again and it made 211hp (that is better!)  We did a few more and made a few jet changes to try and correct a lean spot in the middle and raised the timing to 32* and it made 213hpat 7000   and 200hp at 5700 which I was happy with.  I wasn't able to make as many changes as I would have liked to (still has 37 chokes in it) but due to my slow work and a small problem with a rocker stud that was all I could get.

P.S.  I like to dyno naked!! haha  without the fan shroud you can check for oil leaks.  Ill post more pictures when the tin is all painted.

213 hp with only a 37mm choke is very impressive. Good work  8)

Seems like a winner, Taylor.  Nice job.  ;D

Thats great power with 37mm chokes :o Why didn't you dyno and tune with bigger chokes ??? That thing will make 220 with those heads and 42 chokes.  ;D

To Dano,

Since I am going to put this in my street car, I wanted to tune it with 37s.  I brough the 42s with me but ran out of time.  I am confidant that it would make more as the 37s ran out of steam.  I might trying to take it back and find out what it really has.

I wanted to see how narrow this motor really is, compared to the car, so I stuck it in today with no tin.  It fits really easy!  but that just means I will have my work cut out trying to get all the tin to fit right.

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One good thing about it is I wont have much trouble adjusting the 48s  ;D

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I took some other shots to get a feel for it and I will have to do some work to make my old mufflers fit my new header...  I like their look though so they will stay!

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I also got an NOS Delco, Chevy Vega, cap for my Stinger distributor which is pretty sweet!
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Plus my SCORE!!!! at Bug-In
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Thanks,  I like the mufflers too but I had it stored standing up, for two years, so it is drooping a bit.  They are rather quiet which I also like.  A little heat and some muscle and ill have them back in shape!

Looking awesome! Savannah beige 67's for the win!!!

I need to re-do my rear valance and wings. I Dzus fastened them on but I hate to say I rushed it because I wanted it on the road and theres a couple of gaps I don't like :(

Your defiantly motivating me to re do it tho!!!

Taylor - always gots cool cars!

Thanks Dave!  not as cool as your 911 though.  Did you get your dash pan on your '67 yet??? I love the way the EMPI ones look installed.

Ok, so, "Houston we have a problem!"  My motor is too narrow and I had to cut off about 1/2" from case side of my cylinder head tin, (NOS dual port ones too,)  so the problem is that the shroud wont fit without some modifications as well.  What do you think I should do to fix this problem?  Damn tiny pistons are screwing me but Im sure some of you will have a handy idea to get me going again.

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Thank you for any ideas
Taylor

First thing that comes to my mind is to cut some kind of key out of the fanhousing and weld the fanhousing again. Don't know if that is a option but it might solve your problem.

Cut a curved claw shape up along the side so you get a smooth transition. Seems like a luxury problem :)

Can you flare the cyl head tin out to meet the shroud? Would you have room for the manifolds?

i'd go with Jon's post. Should make for a nice, inconspicuous solution.

I decided to just build a shroud like I saw on one of the other posts, an OE doghouse with a 36horse face, that way I can pull in the sides at the same time.  Ill post some pictures soon.  Thanks for the Ideas
Taylor

WOW, over a year since any sort of activity??  Well not quite, but nothing to really get anyone excited.  Last summer was pretty hot here in Vegas and my motivation was literally sucked away by the weather.  I got rolling again when it cooled off but on Thanksgiving day my wife and I found out we would be having a baby.  It's our first and to say we are excited about it is an understatement.  Between then and now I have collected what seems like a million parts, but not everything I am looking for so the search continues.  

As far as the update is concerned I wasn't truly happy with the what I got to test on the last dyno session at Head's Up Performance in Fullerton Ca so I took it back this last weekend.  The last time I ran it I only ran 37's in the 48's and it made really good power at 213.6hp at 7000.  From 5000-6500 it made an average of 195hp and an average of 178ft lbs.

This time I brought along a few things I wanted to test, Including:
40mm vents
42mm vents
large diameter billet velocity stacks
and a set of Italian secondary's with no wings and a small modification (by me) to replace the Spanish "winged" secondary's.

I stopped by the local gas station and pumped a couple of gallons of 100 octane unleaded gas for the dyno on my way out of town.  I also got the same wt. and brand oil to run.  The weather was almost the same as last time so I was confident that the results I would get would be valid.

I made the first pull with the same set up as last time. Timing, vent size and jets.  What I got was a great baseline with the numbers being virtually the same as my last run the last time.  The second pull I changed the secondary's and replaced the stock IDA stacks with some tall, billet, large diameter ones. the result was about 1hp average higher. The third pull I put the stock stacks back on and I found another 2hp average and almost 4lbs of tq average for the range. Now the peak power at 6500 was 215.9hp it was getting better.

Now I decided it was time to pull the 37s out and replace them with some 40s.  After a few pulls to get the jetting sorted out I was happy with what I was seeing.  At 6500 it made 222.4 and from 5000-6500 it made an average of 184.6 ft lbs and 202 hp average.  Next we decided to pull it to 7000 and see if it would run up there now as last time it stopped pulling.  It ran great peaking at 225.8 hp averaging 215.5 from 5500-7000.

I threw the 42s in but wasn't  excited about the results as I'm sure the lower numbers suffered but it peaked at 227.6 hp at 6800 and carried it to 7100 but fell at 7200.
I am pretty sure the 42s would run better with more compression but with the current cam and compression the 40s definitely seem the best.  I'll have to update this a little for often from now on.

Here is a little clip some may have seen.
http://www.youtube.com/v/8qBlBMeUhTQ


  

  

i want to know a lot more about that engine and why the choice of parts. the more i look at it the more i like this.

What do you want to know about it?

well i don't think a 80mm crank is common, why that size, who makes that.

why honda wrist pins? does it have any advantage? is it just what is available at CE?

and what pulley is this? what does it do?

 ;D

hope it helps narrowing it down a bit  ;)

The 80 stroke started life as a forged 76mm vw journal crank that I had wedgemated.  It was cheaper to have it offset ground to chevy and re-hardened than it would be to buy an 82 and have it wedged.  80 was as far as the grinder could go when ground from 2.165" to 2".  The pistons are 1" compression height and the reason for the honda pins is they are .787" compared to vw's .866" plus they are only 2" long. By moving the pin up you get a more compact (lighter) piston with a pin that is shorter (lighter) but due to it's length it is also stronger.  The pulley is a Fisher harmonic dampener that helps dampen the sound waves that travel through the crankshaft. Although the exact frequency that is harmful is above my pay grade,  I don't think it hurts  ;D

I built the motor with racing in mind so I have another set of flat top pistons which raise the compression to around 15.5-1 but when I decided to put it in my street car the motor was almost finished.  The flat top pistons are the same overall dimensions as the dished set that are in there now and the machine work was already done so I figured it would be cheaper to have a dished set made that would drop right in, as opposed to buying new, longer cylinders and new head studs.  Also the heads only have 28cc's so the only way to lower the compression was to put a big swimming pool in the piston.

Hope this helps.

a lot! thanks.

the more 'exotic' parts really did pay off in horsepower i guess, so my curiosity grew a bit after the dynopulls. have fun with it!

nice job all around Taylor. Miss talking to you. Hope to see you around soon. I know, I know I need to climb out from under my rock  :D

Looong time since I updated this thread.  I have a moderately good excuse,  my wife and I had a baby back in July of 2013.  She's awesome and doesn't seem like a baby anymore.

I've been working on the car a little here and there but still haven't got it going.  I got my exhaust done and added the '67 reverse lights to the tbars.  I also had some center caps made and got all of the tin to fit my narrow motor. I had the narrow the breast plate 1/2".
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I made these rubber mounted brackets for the exhaust.
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I also had a hub made so I could install a 380 mm Porsche steering wheel, had a 911 tach modified with added VW style warning lights, had the gas gauge blacked out and made a panel for my gauges to take up the hole where a radio was cut in.

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But lately along with getting the motor ready to put back together I've been rewiring the whole car using a modified wiring works harness and a ton of German style wire and open barrel brass connectors.  I'm adding a bunch of stuff so I made a separate fuse block.

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That's it for now. I'll try and update more often now.

Some nice detail stuff there, be good to see it alive again soon, I see they are doing some VW quickest street car thing on Friday nights out their at the Track, go show them what a little motor can do ;)


cheers Richie

I love that exhaust setup!

Thanks.  I like the way it came out too.  I like the duel quiet packs but I have a 2 1/4" outlet on my header so regular ones wouldn't work. The mufflers are 1 3/4 x 2 so they're adequate but to connect them I had to use a 2 into 1 collector turned around.

Looks great, where did you get the mufflers?

I haven’t updated this thread for years. I’ll try and get back on and post some new stuff.  For now, a video David Ruiz shot of my car for fun one day. 
https://youtu.be/2mjndlfvqKY

Your car is fantastic! Should have been in GNRS!