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Dude that car went from Mild to Wild sooo quickly..top work !!

I like that!  ;D :o

all in all i have to say it is an very amazing car ,the cooling system seems very inovative and a very fine electrical work.do you have some more details about the engine for us hp max rpm and what cam especially? :)

Awesome car and some sick welds! Good luck  ;D

Awesome car! Love it! Some lovely looking welds on your cage. Can you ask your welder what filler rods he used please? Looks like stainless steel it's that clean!  Is the cage moly or cds? Keep up the good work - cant  wait to see it in the flesh ;)

Hey Andy,
why did you use the red 9 front end?
For a drag car it seems unnecessary and heavy?
Or will you do track days as well? :)

Cheers, Peter

Damn you're going fast ;D ;D

It's starting to look like a mean ride!!

Michael

Have you got any pix of your Red 9 front end fitted? Cheers  8)

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cheers andy

Some fantastic fabrication going on there! It just seems to get better and better! Quick question: your chargecooler looks like it is ice fed from the top and doesn't run a circulation pump. If so, are you not worried about boundary layer heat formation? Do you have some cunning plans to avoid this scenario that I haven't yet spotted? Looking so trick mate, I love it already  8)

I had a feeling it was sorted ;) good work!

That looks sturdy enough ;D
Do you know how much torq it can handle?

Michael

Looks cool, but not sure those shafts look like they can handle 500 bhp. What size are the four bolts that connect to your adapters? Hopefully they are at least M10? Not trying to diss your project as I think it's ace, but you don't want to snap a drive shaft at speed! The wall would beckon!  :o

Awesome looking rims and also from what I understand good quality as well, keep up the good work

Those wheels are the badger's nadgers  8)
Great choice, it's going to look fantastic - pure class!

Can't believe Prosser let those rims go!  :o
Rare set of wheels and very cool ;)

What kind of money trees do you have in your garden? ;D ;D
Can't wait to hear it run

Michael

Cheers I get what you saying its dropped 1/2" to 3" mainly to clear a few bits as 4" may have been an issue do you think it will make much difference  ;D

Cheers andy

Not for the 1st year or so,I think you have enough to keep you occupied power wise :o :D

cheers Richie

Not for the 1st year or so,I think you have enough to keep you occupied power wise :o :D

cheers Richie

You will be addicted to the starts. For me it was "oh shit this is awesome". I 've done a 1,29 60 i know Ritchie is even quicker. The best feeling in the world  ;D

That collector is pure tig porn!  8)
You may want to trim your tailpipe a little as I imagine your car is going to launch quite hard! You don't want to upset the pod startline crew  :o

Sump heating? Planning on doing some arctic expeditions?   ;D
The Scandinavians on here will dig that mod!  ;)

The Scandinavians on here will dig that mod!  ;)

Why are you using glow plugs to heat the sump?arent they designed to only be on for very short periods of time? I would have thought a sump heater would be the easier way to do it?
My heater is on for about an hour to get the oil hot enough and boil the fuel out of it,will the glow plugs be ok for that long? and what temp do they reach? I am not knocking your idea at all,just wondering if there is another way to do things that I didnt know about,everyday is a school day right :D

cheers Richie

Cant tell from the pic,but does the oil actually boil? it does with my heater

cheers Richie

Cant tell from the pic,but does the oil actually boil? it does with my heater

cheers Richie

no worries hi jack away i thought i was just one of my stupid ideas

cheers andy

Richie, I'm curious about this! Is it to get the oil up to temperature without having to start the car and get heat into the heads, or to boil methanol out of the oil like Mike Lawless does? I thought the old car was on E85 and presumed the new one would be too. I didn't think there would be oil contamination issues like with methanol. Also, would you fit it into a regular deep sump or is the new car dry sumped like Andy is doing? I've not seen the new car in the flesh so I'm intrigued by it. Mine won't be anywhere near as wild but it's nice to see the reasoning behind these little things!

Andy, sorry for the hijack!

Dude, the inside of your car is going to look more Apollo 13 than race car  ;D
Just remember to keep your Gimbal pointed dead ahead and all should be fine. Unless of course you run out of battery power  :D

make sure you got a cameara pointing in front so i can see myself in the next lane  ;D

make sure you got a cameara pointing in front so i can see myself in the next lane  ;D

Loving this build, great ideas and fantastic workmanship, keep up that good work buddy....

you do look silly when sitting in my car  ;D :D
a bit like bowser in mario kart ;D

With what we know today about clutches the 8 dowels are not a problem. 400 - 500 - 750 hp... I dont think it even matter but hit it with 150hp, a stage 4 and a angry disc and you can easily snap it off. There is a thread here on The Lounge where you can find the calculations on what a dowel/original style crank can take.

Not sure why I wrote this since you have anyway decided to build a new engine and go the WBX route that is so popular today. I think I even spotted one for sale on TheSamba where they called it Type 5 - Oxy  :)

Keep feeding us with pictures and comments, it is one of my favourite threads here.

Best rgs
BB

you were supposed to be working on my car  >:( ::) ;D not welding bits to the neverending story  :D

Andy... I don't want to chuck a spanner into your works, but you have asked for input, so I will give you some based on my own experience. Your coilover mounts are way too weedy. By the looks of it, they are 2mm wall section mild still box tubing? On my car I managed to bend 4mm cro-mo brackets, so had to beef right up to 6mm thick lowers and 8mm uppers.

You will need springs somewhere in the region of 600-850lbs looking at the pivot points of your mounts and guessing your car's weight. This is obviously a guess, but that translates to a whole load of energy being transferred to that single bracket on launch. If there's one area you  need to BR (over-engineer) it's these mounts. Trust me ;)

I would also make a lower mount that spreads the energy over at least two of your a-arm tubes, not one as you have it at the mo. Go for good surface area, and you won't bust it :o

Regards, Keeno

good work mate did bruce ok the bonnet?

hi Andy!

how do you mount the bracket of the chute
to the car?

cheers,
basti

Hi Richie the rear is narrowed by 2" so i can fit the coilovers in I cant go more due to the way the cage is and also so i can fit the drive shafts in they arnt going to be very long as it is which isnt the best. I've use the 65mm spacers for mocking up I'm not planing on using them, I've got to build the rear wheels up to get the offset correct Ive fitted wider wings as well, the reason I made the arms is so I can tweak ride height etc without camber change hope that makes sense

Cheers andy

Hi

i would change a few things if i did it again

Cheers andy

Nice to meet you at the weekend Andy. Keep up the good work.  8)
I think you will find that 500 lb springs will be way too soft given the orientation and angle of your coilovers. Mine are in a very similar place and are slightly canted also. I started out with 550s and worked my up to 850s. I think I might even need heavier...
Take it easy  8)

Thats is beautiful! Congratulations!

I had a 4 speed 915 vertigate...
Nope I did not build it but bought it from Claes Ebbenäs (RIP) who built it in 1980.
It then had a billet spool, billet side cover (with bronze side flex support) and best of all, liberty pro gears gears.
It was never raced by me, prior to selling it again.

I wonder were it is? Typically only a drag race box and shouls still be alive somwhere.

Looking good... Boo hoo I'm all teary now. Glad the transmission and shifter have gone to a good home  8)

I reckon 5/8 cro-mo tubing would be perfect. Try Andy Robinson Race Cars. I have bought moly tubing from them in the past ;)

Amazing job, but I do believe you would get better results with straight shift rods. And without the guides you have on them, I think you will get bending there as the shifter moves in slight arcs.
Anyway keep the pictures coming!  :)

Awesome!

Good work! I love the cable shift approach  8)

Have to move to the UK  ;D

In Belgium you can't do a thing >:( >:(

Good luck, nice trailer!!!

gr
Wout

sry mate but 2x1 pine will not be structually sound  ::)
 ;D

Jeez... Is your middle name Kingdom, by any chance? You could lay that chassis across the Tamar and charge tourists a couple of quid to get into Cornwall :)

its only going 3 miles just avoid potholes ;D

Great work Buddy, Cant wait to see what she runs on the 1/4.  ;D.

crank is on its way, ordering this lot next week

MS230 4" complete pair with ti valves:
Five stud rockers complete pair:
7075 billet dual taper PR:
Raptor cam kit custom:
Piston kit 4" JPM/JE custom:
F1 throttle body kit:

marco has got do sort a case and then we can build the engine car goes for paint end of next week then we can have some shiney pictures:)

cheers andy

hi riche

its a full out drag car, the reason for me using the F1 bodies is the whole intake system from the turbo onwards is set up that already i did think of going to a single but it would cost a few K to do that, Marco is going to build and tune the engine i dont mind making anything but im not messing with all that money on parts lol

cheers andy

Well nearly as much to change  ::)



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Plenums are going to be cylindrical know

Cheers andy

Good idea I'm not sure I would like it up there in the car surly I won't get any bennifit of the plenums ?

Cheers andy

I have never understood the design/shape of your plenums.
Is the a aerodynamic thinking- teory behind the design that I dont understand??
 I would rethink the inlet design, make it short and with a minimum use of bends. Sharp edges make for turbulence.

Is the turbo matched for your engine setup?

Reg C

I like this topic  ;D

gr
Wout

not only building a full on race car now probably the most advanced trailer outside of eddie stobbarts... very impressive  ;)

That's an impressive rig!

What body do you have in mind for it?

bloody hell andy you can run the pod on that  :D

Have the men in white coats paid you a visit yet?  ;D

Pretty funky trailer... How are you going to kit the inside? Bed etc. ?

Engine news Andy ?!?!  ;D

News is back to the last plan with a slight change as the sale of he motor I was going to buy fell through :( so its

JPM heads vale train and cam
Pauter block
Rods ? Any ideas I may order Pauter at the same time as the block

Cheers andy

Amazing trailer!

Oh, and the Beetle build is cool too...  ;D

I look forward to updates!

also thought of this idea not sure if its a good one or not, the way i see it on launch the torsion tube takes a fair bit of load  to ive but this 20mm CDS to transfer some of that load what does anybody else think am i barking up the wrong tree?

cheers andy

Cheers Ritchie

The main tube on the suspension is 1 1/2 thick wall CDS the rose joints are M22. The tie rods to the a arms are 20mm thick wall CDS. The cage is CroMo tied to the chassis spine, shock towers and forks in four places. All suspension mounts are from 8mm now you know I'm not afraid of change so what else should I add I don't want to break it lol

Cheers andy

That all sounds nice and strong

What "I" would change

The length of the trailing arms,the idea is great but they are short,Mike lawless's car works with it but he has a limited amount of hp/torque,I would cut off the torsion housing and stretch the arms to the bottom of the main hoop and make a mounting point from there,basically backhalf the car,it can be done with a short arm[springplates like the Skinne car or Russ fellows,even my old cabrio] but you are limited by it then.

Note:
Actually I wouldnt,I would run it as a springplate car,but i am stupid and like the element of suprise[will it go down the track or will it crash] :o ;D

You need to think "race car" not "modified road car" :o :)  with that engine and make room for a 10"wide slick


cheers richie

ok cheers being a bit thick how does the length of arm work?

cheers andy

Looking at those I think I do need a re think when I first did the rear I wasn't planing the Pauter power lol

Cheers andy

ffs its starting again youve only been working back on it a day  ::) ;D

 :)

Maybe sit down with pen and paper and decide exactly what you want to achieve with it now,and then see what spec the rest of it needs to be to do that and more,always leave some extra in there because we always want to go faster later on than we think now ;)

Some things to think of
Will the drivetrain take the abuse and power?
have I got enough tyre and are the wheels strong enough?
are the gear ratios suitable for what i am trying to do and match the engine rpm?
is the fuel system enough to supply what i need and 25% more for later?
have I got enough ignition to fire the fuel needed?
does the turbo move the air I need at the right rpm?
is the intercooler able to cool  the intake temps it will see?


Will it stop when I finally do a full pass :o ;D


cheers richie  

Is it bolt on?  :)

lol it will be by the time ive finished :)

May I ask how much it weight compared to a "ordinary" IRS? I think you should focus on weight and balance in a car with the kind of HP that you plan on having. Borrow corner scales and move things around until you`re happy.

-BB-

I haven't got any scales here but Im guessing about 10kg-12kg and I will be using the strange brakes i have. So should be very close to standard irs with drum/disc brakes a would guess and yes im going to get the corner weights done and get the car set up suspension wise before it even sees a track. I will be putting the battery and dry sump up front and the fuel tank of course.  And the turbo is going over the transmission so i think that may help as the 930 box is very heavy compared to a vw box

cheers andy

Jeff Hauser spent a fair bit of time with me explaining four link and how it all works but not on a beetle like it does on a live axle lol,

I thought this was going to end up with a floating motor and live 'axle'  :o

Wow! I hope you have some datums  :o

What's the extra hoops for? tying into the cage?

I would reconsider how you use bolts in the attachment of this cage. You are now relying on the strength of the bolt to keep the back end on. In other words they get a lot if not all the stress.
If you bolt it sideways (90° to the center axis of the car) it will rely on the clamping force between the cage and the tabs you weld on the chassis. Then the bolts will only have to maintain the clamping force.
And if you spreed the bolts as far apart as possible it will become stronger with every mm you gain.
Just an opinion from a engineering standpoint, but carry on, you must have a lot of fun!

Very interesting setup. I guess I should pull my finger out and remember to post out your parcel ;)

Hey Andy, glad the turbo arrived safely ;)
I'm digging your suspension approach. I bet it'll go around corners well! Are you going to poly bush the suspension arms?
Cheers, Matt

the sump tank and oil cooler must not be in the cockpit.  They need to be boxed in.

Ok,.... that's a F&$kn' amazing work.

Sweet  8)

With 8 degrees of negative camber, your on the wrong forum. Restowagen for you from now on!  ;D

Andy

why does it have so much camber? surely the porsche it came from didn't have that much? so if you get the geometry the same as the posrche& mount the arms in the same place as the porsche you wont need adjustable ends?  also 2 things that are bothering me looking at all the pics

It would be a waste of time doing so as I want the rear end to be completely adjustable so the 8 deg of neg camber at the moment is as far as it can go at this height I also will be making the new arms to get rid of the rubber bushings to get zero toe change
,
1.ride height, what have you done to allow it to increase ride height?  when you add 500lbs of engine and ancillaries its going to be on the floor :o

I have some laser cut parts coming I need to weld in place for height adjustment

and 2. how are you going to get a header in there? the point were 1&3 tubes come out of the heads looks like its going straight into the suspension arms?

It will fit there's loads do room :) those arm taper in at an angle

 it was difficult enough on mine to get those 2 tubes out,needing to actually go through the suspension,around the cv & hub and then underneath :o and mine has much more room around it that yours.

I like the fact you are thinking so outside the box :)     but there are somethings that just have to be done the conventional way,the exhaust port is on the end of the head so it has to come out there ;) ;D

But that's too easy what would I think about at night lol

Can you put a front wing on for me please? I want to see how it looks with that front suspension, thanks

I sure will when I get them back from the guy making the front air dam I do have some standard ones I could try though


cheers richie

Looks great, nice one.

Hi Riche it is going to be tight i have about 8 " i moved the suspension about that much to get 0 camber at ride height i couldnt land were i wanted to yes in the ideal world setting as close to 0 would be good but its no big problem the GT3 runs a slight camber not 8 deg though lol and yes longer coil over would be a better solution i may stick with that idea. As to a picture with stock wings ive weled th holes up so cant fit one lol but this is with the CSP wider wings, with a stock wing the wheel is in the standard position i.e not tucked

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cheers andy

I am a little confused,are you setting this up for drag racing or circuit racing?

thanks for the pics with the wings on,so it is the same width front track as stock?


cheers richie

Andy -- Absolutely fantasic build --- You have gone far out of the box and it looks great --May I suggest some additional small gussets on the tie rod ends -- just a little something something to keep the end to the shaft

Harold

Hi Andy,

man, you have put some serious time in to that baby. You must have a very understanding missus.
I'm looking forward to seeing this on the track and in the pits at sometime in the future!

Inspirational work at its best!

Good luck with it fella!

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cheers andy

Hi Andy. If you use rose/heim joints it will work fine as both pivot points aren't on the same plane. Almost all race car setups use rose joints with great success.

ive missed the updates andy
and ill be over to use that bad boy soon  ;)

So not much by me today but the legend Bad Bernie came to remove my rag top :) not sure what he did with it yet lol but thanks for coming :) and i hope you didnt get too cold

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Ink I didn't fit the roof I took the car to a guy in Kent who fits them to classic jags vie since found out the bernie can fit them also

Cheers andy

slight angle but i dont think oits too bad but theres not much that can be done about anyway --- You can't be serious with these drive shafts  ???

Why what's wrong with them lol

I think you missed the point I've done this before cut them weld them and send them off to the the guys that machine quaife driveshafts and have them make new ones I may get a few sets done as spares

Cheers andy

i say run em  ;D

Hi

It  1 3/4 inch, I was advised it would be the correct size, for the size and type of turbo I'm using  


Cheers Andy

Hi no not by Pauter they do 1.81" or 2" indeed to be a bit smaller than 1.8 as holsets as you know work on pulse rather than heat and flow. Should be able to take up the small difference when I tig up the inside of the flange

Cheers andy

Hi Richie

I've just asked the question so lets see what comes back I don't want to waste my time building a header that's too small I do trust a 100% the person that told me to use this size but a second opinion can't hurt I guess

Cheers andy

I'm playing with the same size bends. You are lucky to have such a cutter I do it with a cut of wheel  ???

Michael

2 lambda Bosses?



Did an Essex Escort donate the tail pipe trim?   ;)

Hi Richie

I've just asked the question so lets see what comes back I don't want to waste my time building a header that's too small I do trust a 100% the person that told me to use this size but a second opinion can't hurt I guess

Cheers andy

Looks very familiar ;D

Michael

been thinking alot about what im doing with the frontend but i poped in to work to feed terry the office turtle and thought F**k it and this happened opps

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so i guess that the decision made she been on a diet plus i have a bit more room to fit thing in :)

cheers andy

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Hi it's a bush made from acetal I'm not sure yet if I will make a housing and put a ball race in there yet

Cheers Andy

fooking hell  8)

engine is pure porn

Andy nice to see the long block just about done :)   So do you know what changes they made to these heads over the last incarnation? and why was it you couldnt show a picture of the ports a week or so ago but can now? did I miss something? did you ever get an exhaust size recomended as those ports look bigger than 1 3/4 on there own :o :)

I do like the way you are doing that front airdam,having access to that wheel is a bonus,I had to make mine in two pieces and weld it together

cheers richie

Whats the spend so far?  :o

It's ready it's ready my motor is fooking ready wooo hooooo I can't wait I can't wait woo yeah woo yeah

That's all :)


Cheers andy