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Hi

I have been talking with the new owner of the SSB. I have made attempts to get a price out of him with no luck. 
He said he will be putting it on Ebay. If you or someone you know is interested in it be careful he doe's not have the best reputation.

I have emailed him and said I no longer have interest in the Car. Basically I do not trust him.

It doe's hurt to know a guy like this owns my Brothers Car but I just got to let it go.

Mike Herbert 

That sucks Mike , lets hope it goes to someone who appeciates it , and realises what it means to you .

Rob

i've seen the car at bitburg 2 weeks ago , and i was suprised too ,  to see the car for sale , after talking with some switzerland friends , they explain me how the car was in the hand of a new owner
that's sad to see the car in this way , the new owner removed all the stuff on the paint  that Dido does , for me it was part of the story of the car in Europe with Dido

that car was a bad ass in the hand of Dido

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Fabs did you ask how much he wanted for it.

no , i didn't talk with the new owner now i can ask some friends from switzerland via FB

here's the car under Dido's hand

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Can you find out please Fabs.

Hi Mike why not.

message send to some friends
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Thanks Fabs and Mike pick up your cellphone lol.

Hey I am at work. Its noisy in the machine shop. Call again.

Mike

MIke i did send you an e-mail.

Regards Steve

It is a pity. I was shocked to see the SSB in this outfit at Bitburg. In Dido's hands  the car looked amazing with all the writings ... sad

1. Bitburg 2006
2. Bitburg 2013

Boom Boom i've an answer from a friend , he don't know the price but here's the info of the seller

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and here'shis FB page
stephane villemin (https://www.facebook.com/stephane.villemin.96?fref=ts)

Mike - we also saw the car at dday - looked bad ...

Udo

I have heard the Price is 15000.- Swissfrancs.(Abouth 12000 Euro) A frind of me talked with the new Owner at Chateaux.Deux.
Regards Mirco

Ok how many of the parts are still left on the car when Mark sold it. As I see the Berg shifter is not there, also am I right in saying it was only running 13s at ddd.

I am not shure if the Engine is the same as Dido use it...i think the Carbs and Linkage are def. not the same.
If i remember me,his Carbs Looks much used and sloppy.
Dido never run a Stockshifter,you are right!!

stock shifter for sure , because i remember asking him about how to use a stock shifter and he said that Mark said when you push  the next gear that's the shifter who bend a little with stock one and with a berg he's to rigid and  it's the gearshift linkage(inside the tunnel) who bend if i remember Dido said that to me

No the car had a berg shifter for sure.

So if it not the 2332cc motor that was in there I'm sorry to say it's not worth €12.000.

it had empi 48 IDA's (yes the newer ones), so that was not correct, i also saw the manifolds were changed, but it did have a new apron.

Really sad for the real OG SSB
Love to remember me when Dido play with the nicest car i ever see in switzerland!
Thanks to Dido and the Herberts!!

this new guy should have painted DOUCHEBOX on the side & hood of it... because he's a f'n DOUCHE BAG type of guy to pull this type of shit...

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in 2006 tha car had a berg shifter , but i remember seein g the car with that stock shifter at one DDD

Very Bad for the Car!!
Dido spend a lot of Work and Money in the Engine to enter in the 10 Second Family.

Looking at the dude's current web site, I'm guessing he's another run-of-the-mill peddler?

I have no idea what "RASBOX" is, but it looks like sh*t plastered on the SSB.  My favorite photo that I took of the car was at the 2005 Bug-In 32 at Fontana, Calif., and was an extreme close up of the nose with the "FA-Q" hood art.  Met Mark at the 2002 classic and always thought he was a very nice guy.  We also exchanged e-mails on stories from the '80s era of street racing, etc.  He was a very gifted storyteller, no question, along with his other talents.

the engine on the car at DDD
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and the one when Dido owned the car
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don't know if the rear apron was a new one  , this is a picture of the SSB at the 1ST EBI  ,the car has already that wood apron
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Hi guys,

I heard that the car was for sale and contacted the owner.  Asked for price and as I have a spare engine asked if he would agree to sell it without the engine.

I did not get a clear reply. He just replied "many interested people, make a bid and higher gets it, car is for sale complete"

Hard to deal with this type of answers..

So definitely had a bad feeling about the seller.

Suddendly one night, i received a SMS "you're a tirequicker"... Really good commercial skills..

Phil

So... it's sold?  ???
Hopefully the new owner will "restore" it in is former glory.  I want to see the FA-Q sign again!  ;)

Well I don't know.. But if he took all the good stuff out, I don't think it is the case.

Look if the Engine is allways the same...
Who is the new Owner? Any Infos?

Sorry if i step on anybody's toes, but..
dido also changed it... i didnt like it with his writing either anymore...
the car should have been left alone and raced how it was in Marks hands!

That car was a monument, nobody should had or will have the moral right to change a single bolt on it, anyone did it is a real asshole!! Hope Super Shit Box will be back in right hands of a good guy that will restore it as Marks pects, including writes and everything as he left. That's incredible how stupid humans could be, why they don't build another car on their own instead fo wreck SSB!!!

Peter if i remember well the year after those pictures (with all those writing) , Dido redone the car to his former glory it was just the day he was in the 10sec

If it shouldn't have been changed, it shouldn't have been sold.

Thanks for saying what I wanted to say, but was hesitant to do so.  "Cum Shot Express," some al-Qaida reference and pornography links stenciled on a car are in extreme poor taste, IMO, and do nothing to honor Mark's member or maintain the legacy of the SSB.  But Zach also makes a good point; once a car changes ownership, it's all up to the new owner(s), regardless of how tacky changes may be perceived by others.

Same here car should have been left as Mark had it, also did not like the writing on it (yes I know it was easy to wash off)  Mark offered the car to me, but I was doing my gold car at the time, which Mark build the motor for so said no. I really wanted it this time round as I feel the car needs to be put back right. But what he is asking for it it is just not worth it, as I'm not sure all of the right parts are there. I know what work when into that car, trans and motor.

 If someone buys it please put it back right and look after it.

What is a tirequicker??

Whoever buys the car, I just hope they respect the car and the history.  The new owner deserves no respect at all.  As my friends from England say "he is a bell end".

He means tire kicker, someone who wastes time just looking at the car walking round and kicking its tires and doesn't have any real interest in buying it.

major X2

Okay - thanks for the information. (Tire Kicker)

The guys an idiot. I wonder if he talks like that to anyone that might be interested in the car.

Karma is right around the corner!

I loved that car and loved Mark.
I am in despair over what has become of it.
It reminds me of the story of George Washington's hatchet.
"We have replaced the blade once and the handle twice, but it is all original".
What is left of the original car ?
The subsequent owners since Mark have only desecrated the car and in their greed, demand higher and higher prices while removing the important pieces as trophies for themselves.
 :'( >:(

What a shame, its a difficult topic, as i don't believe some parties fully understand the sentiment in the car particularly in the u.s, if the car was purchased and just run hard like it always has been, it would have been left as a fitting tribute, but it has since been dare i say (desecrated) and now becomes a poison chalice for anyone who ( if the vendor actually wants to sell) buys it.
Its fair to say ive done some stupid stuff with cars over the years but if i had the chance/money to buy it, i would put it back (where possible) exactly the way it was when it last turned a wheel in anger in Marks hands.

Dido never sell the car , i know the story some friends of him explain me the whys and wherefores

without that the car would always be in Dido's hands

oops, delete, i was trying to modify my original post.

sorry for my bad understanding here,  is it for sale?

Dido has no chance to hold the Car...The State takes him all Cars :(

Bye the Way...Dido was en exellent Driver! I think no other trust it to race a 10 with this Car...

i was in bitburg last 4 weeks, and when i see the SSB without dido, with the new name Razbox ...and for sale ... I talk with the new owner, and he's says the engine is the same, but really, bad feeling with that guy ..

How it was and how it should always be remembered.

I remember very well, when i saw the real SSB the first time. it was in 2005 in fribourg / Switzerland before we started the #11 Cruise Night...
I think this was the begin that i needed more power in my bug...

didi

and some more

Hated all the white writing on it before with the last owner, very tacky and disrespectful in my opinion, it was ruined then and just continues to be ruined further as time goes on. This car should have been preserved as its such a part of VW racing history. Its always the same when a legendary car is sold, we just have to come to terms with the fact this car will never be what it once was, even if it does get put back as best as possible its not the same, its legacy is over.

Hey Didi tanks for this picture...that was for me allso the beginning of a powerfull area...
You see the mint green bug with the pop out frontwindow on pic2???
Love to remeber me that weekend...thanks Dido!!!
And for other haters...why you let the car go???
And now they is for sale...buy it...and dont lwt them go again!!!

I miss the Eat Me sticker.

 >:(

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Thats a bloody good Idea Ron , I'd happily chip in !

Rob

I am in!!! Just for Mark!!!

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Ok, wft happened?  :D

X2  :D

i did propose an idea but I'm told that Mike no longer has any interest in obtaining the car back so I removed it

shame really as it belongs back at home where it would be cared for IMO :-\


 

Sad story always ends in sad ways due to sad people...

There better be LOADS of information missing from this thread.

The evidence that the current owner of SSB is a bad person is rather thin.

First of all, the owner has a web page where he sell VW's, it's not listed there as for sale .

1. He has been unwilling to give a" buy it now" price.  Not uncommon amongst sellers of "hot stuff", and especially not if it's NOT even listed as for sale

2. He has called one person a "tire kicker"  Shows that the "seller" has a short temper, or that he is getting a lot of unwanted attention

3. He has removed the Berg shifter  supposedly a telltale sign that all the good stuff is gone

4. He has removed The FAQ text and Eat Me sticker

5. There is oil on the pully    shows that the owner does not care for the car

6. He has added his "company name" to the car and a streamer to the front and rear window.

For these crimes he has received three pages of warnings and agro on the Lounge...   I'm not very happy with this behavior, and hope someone can clearly explain what hard evidence that justifies this thread.

I thought I was the only one! Thanks for that Jon!!!

I don't usually post anything anymore here as there are too many People here that talk crap about other peole they don't even know!!!!

BUT ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT DIDO WAS AND IS A TOP GUY, HE NEVER RUINED THE SSB OR ANYTHING ELSE!!!

All that writing on the Car was Shoe Polish and was removed after a short while without destroying that "High Dollar" paintjob from the SSB...!!!

Dido raced the SSB really hard ( without changing anything on the Car!!!) and if I'm not mistaken is the only one who did a 10sec run with the SSB...!!!

I was there went the 10 happened and when he came back from that 10sec. run he said this one is you Mark H.!!!

He always knew what car it is or was and "whose"it was...!!!

What know happened to the SSB is sadly not in Dido's hands, he can not be made responsable for it!!!

I only hope that those people that talk crap about Dido and the SSB start to shut up!!! Talking stupid about someone you do not know is really stupid!!!

I only hope that this takes and end now, and just in case Dido is reading this, take care my Friend wish you all the Best and hope to see you soon!!!!

Over and Out,

Frank

First of all, who is talking down Dido?  Did you read the thread?
Secondly, why are you quoting me? I did not mention Dido with a single word, I'm talking about the guy owning the car now.

I only quoted to add info, not taking you down, yes i read it
all sadly, that why i said that people who do not know Dido or the "why" about the SSB should calm down...

It was intendend personally, but more for the people that talk.... Lets say too much...

If my post hurst your Feelings your welcome to remove it, or maybe even better delete the complete tread...as it is not going anywhere near
where it belongs...!!

Frank

No hurt feelings here. I was just wondering who you were refering to.

Ok

I had externated some opinions but to clarify i was talking about the actual owner of the car, not Dido, that was si evudent from pictures that those writings were whashables, that was evident that Dido had respect of the SSB.
My words were for the actual asshole, and i will tell him in the face once i will ever meet him in the future, that has ruined that monumental car forever.

I was reading the OC Register's story/biography about Mark a few days ago, as it was teh story that came out shortly after his death.  At this point, the best thing anyone can do is build their own car in that style/format/flavor or whatever to continue the legacy of Mark's memory.  I totally supported/subscribed to his "anti-bling" philosophy of "screw looks, focus on performance" as I love the concept behind an ugly car that delivers high performance.

The SSB of old is no more in new owners' hands, and that is sad, but I think the most important and lasting element is the memory of Mark, himself, as well was his philosophy of having fun, above all else.  I'm no fan of the six-figure cars that are getting turned out and slobbered over in the magazines these days, as they are not my flavor/interest.  I can respect the work that goes into them and the innovative ideas that often get implemented, but they're just not my cup of tea.

The fondest memories and greatest things I've taken away from the VW hobby are not the cars, themselves, but the people I've met and gotten to know along the way, bar none. 

This thread certainly has some pretty strong opinions flying around... :o

 I know of this car and some of its History (certainly not intimately) and have no strong feelings about its New Owner (and whatever he might choose to do with the car) or it previous owner (and how he chose to run the vehicle)

 However noting the strong sentiments voiced here by some about changes to the car from it's previous condition and the emotions that are clearly entwined with the history, the arguments on both sides seem to be so far apart that little resolution or satisfaction can ever be reached regarding the car's current situation?

I wonder what we would all think should say the Inch Pincher suddenly be found and (as some believe) had been turned into a Baja Bug?

Would we be hunting down the former owner/person responsible for such obvious desecration (to a VW Icon) or would we be celebrating the  rediscovery of such an important piece of VW History?

Also, after discovery, which one of the Inch Pincher's incarnations would be the correct one to restore to?

What's right and what's wrong? Is there a right or wrong...

Some like change and others not. But once sold any item, car boat or house is available for change unless a contract exists prohibiting such changes.

We may not like the changes that come with new ownership, certainly we may not approve? But once an item (car) changes hands, all bets are off..

I genuinely mean no disrespect to anyone by posting these (my own) thoughts, but I'm always a little uncomfortable about these kinds of heated debates that come into our hobby from time to time, when in reality we all have such affection for our hobby/obsession, that something like this really shouldn't be allowed to cause such upset amongst us?

The thought that people felt so strongly about preserving this car that they'd club together and purchase it, really shows the heart that exists right here (Ron.. Top Man)  8)

 

  

 

 

Any news about this tread? Anyone has news about SSB?

My guess its it's time to let it go.

I tried to deal with the new owner and he just does not get it! Car was sold to Dido for $8500
and it was in original condition and capable 10.90 ET's. Now its missing parts, Runs like Shit and has been Doodled On buy its new owner.

Hey! Its his car and he can do what he wants with it. I am just no longer interested in a POS I want the SSB.

Mike Herbert 

Is the black car that mark does the fricken COOLest burnout video still around ? That would be a cool car for the herbert family.

I'm pretty sure he wrote that one off... I remember seeing pics of a twisted, mangled body. Amazing he survived that one...

Hey Guys

Have anybody News about the SSB where it is located now?
It has a new Owner?

Does anyone know where the car is now ? If so, Pm me.

The Guy that got the SSB from Dido's storage died now his brother owns it. It would be nice to see the car in someones hands that appreciates it.

Mike

Yes i hear that too...but i never seen the Car for sale here in Switzerland.

Last weekend @ european bug-in.  The SSB is still in France ... i was very happy to see the SSB again  ;D

Thank you for sharing the pictures Dan Ahrendt!

Does the SSB still run as strong as it did years ago? I contacted Mark years ago and he gave me the receipe of the 11.03 ET engine and I copied it to every detail.

-BB-

No i think not so fast. I have see the ssb for years at Bitburg with empi 48. The new Owner have again 48 idas i think thats orginal style.
i m so happy to see the car in good hands because one of my all time favorite race cars. Video coming soon

Hi Carl,

The SSB ran not that fast as before,i saw it run a few 13.xx passes at EBI,maybe it went quicker over the weekend so anyone else can fill in maybe?
Engine sounded good but not as crispy as it was before.Maybe the new owner takes it easy on the car,as we all know Dido always  ran the car as he "stole it"...

That's also the way this car is supposed to be run  ;)

Best regards Steve.

Hi Steve, you are right. But i hope to see the ssb again at ddd or other raceway to see if it goes faster. My france is bad , so not easy to ask spec. Is the silver 67 Dickinson car still in you hands ? Best regards Dan

Thanks Steve!

You know exactly what I`m talking about. The SSB had the little extra very often missing from www built engines. The same goes for Arto Vatjas amazing 2276 that totally dominated all the top list from 2005 and onwards. In his full weight 69 he ran super low 11`s @ 120 mph.

Kalle

My dad and I were pitted across from Mark that day. I still remember him pouring ugly looking yellow fuel into it before making a pass. I asked him what it was, told me it was just 91 octane. Then it went and ran that 11.03 run. Cool day, fun memory.

is this article written by the same Mark Herbert as 'our' Mark Herbert who buildt the SSB?

http://lowbus.com/BB/index.php?topic=1187.0;wap2 (http://lowbus.com/BB/index.php?topic=1187.0;wap2)

Yes...