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  So trying to make my mind up what direction i want to go with my vert...

would like to go pro mod style i think with 17 inch rear wheel and around 275 -40 rear tires under original wings.

was thinking this could be done with 3 inch shorter axle's and some tubbing , does someone has some directions  ??? ???

and how much off a tranny raise can be done for a street car ?

picture's off the car will follow  ;)

You are not going to see anything of mine with 17inch wheels on it >:( :o  ;), but a pro mod or pro street style if done right would look cool, raised and narrowed rear and low front etc, then when you want to go fast later car will be good for it :D ;D


cheers Richie

Ah what do you know About speed  ;D

Would like to try it with 17 inch.  But first find out the narrowing and raising.
Narrowing with 3 inch shorter swing axle's and tubbing , or is there an irs option to ?
And about raising is 1 inch good enough for " the look"  and a bit off lowering.

Power Will be updated blue car box and engine enough to enjoy.

Seems you are going to build a nice car AGAIN!!!!
Pro street 'vert:daring to be different. Go for it Hans.
 ;)

Swing axle is probably easier, more off the shelf parts available, IRS can be done but some fabricated arms would be best, the factory stuff when drastically narrowed doesn't work so well

Raised is simple enough, just cut the complete torsion off, ready cut raise plates are available and it just needs to be welded back in place higher, 3inches narrower per side involves cutting torsion housing and narrowing, then mixing years with short [67 era] torsion bars and late long spring plates

cheers Richie

That swing axle narrowing  bit is the simple part it seems , the raising is a bit more scary to me to be honoust
I have seen the 3 inch raising the Way you say but this also means the shifter "bar" is inside the car instead off the chassis....or raise all off that also....Mmhhh
Gonna search a bit more on that raise....

And order the shorter axle's for the no Way back feeling

Another thing to consider, 3 inch raise means engine wont fit under decklid, and stock shroud might not clear body either. You will do a lot of body cutting to get it all in

I would decide what wheel & tyre to use, get them then measure what you need to do to get them to fit, a lot easier to sell some wheels if you don't think you want to go that route then :)


cheers Richie

Just raise it with a bus nosecone, simple enough.

My car is 3" narrowed/side and 1" raise with a RLR kit and erco bus nose come.  It can be seen in my build thread "Lickety Split".  I don't know how much lower I would go for any street driving.

But only good enough for 1 inch raise, anymore than that and shift rod is in car

if it is in a Richies style, it would be making use of the original parts as much as possible…






and IRS, gas burners, yellow, big turbo and tea stains all over the engine compartment  ::)

Sounds perfect to me :)

Love your idea,but it takes a brave guy to cut up a '67 vert in to a prostreet racer.

Henk!!!

Looks like there is space enough to put more tire under the car , so i think this Will be the Way forward for me also...
And the bus nose cone should work with the berg 5 also , only have to decide off 1" raise is enough then

No cutting up......only improving  ;)

I got a 8inch[tread width] tyre under stock wing but its really tight, ok on a drag car but didn't like going round corners as tyre as slight sidewall flex ment tyre rubber on springplates

Didn't realise that at first , and i want the decklid closed , so i think i take the easy Way there to and go for the 1"inch raise..
For wheels a am thinking centerline or Weld , take the size off my grey car en go three inch wider to the outside, because all should move 3 inch back

8 inch is About 265 or so ....rear wings may be up to an inch wider without looking to far off to original , so 275 must be possible i guess

Modified  ;)

Berg 5 uses its own type one style nosecone.

Even 1 inch raise may need decklid open for carb stack clearance, depends on width of engine and intake manifolds

Unless you go turbo of course?  ;D

now your talking!


don't forget IRS, yellow, gas burners  ::) :P

Maybe a good idea turbo and FI .....also good for the Newton meters

you will need something to turn those big wheels and tyres ;D

Turbo cars don't need 5 speeds  ;)

Seconded  ;D

So 4 speed with vertigate and turbo FI. Now we are going somewhere
3 inch narrow 1 inch raise...

Vertigate for looks then? I find it a pain to drive on road with it but rest sounds like a nice plan for a scary road car :o ;) 8)  If you have a bus 5 speed to use that would be fine :D

Was thinking about the 1inch raise some more, all it does is straighten the camber on a swingaxle car that is lower by turning spring plates on torsion bars, no use on a IRS car, the 3 inch raise torsion is a totally different thing, it lowers the car 3 inches and leaves suspension as stock so works better to begin with. Just some more info to take into account ;)

cheers Richie

In the last airmighty is also a split with 3 inch narrowed and 3 inch raise ....intresting Reading stuff.
And for the 1" raise there are also springplate's with the 1" drop so all is stock then with a shorter shock.....mmmhhhh decisions , i have Some time

Go for it hans :D

a porsche 901 fivespeed will let you keep the shiftrod in abut the stock location when raised 3". the shiftrod on on my black oval entered the pan under the torsiontube.
but its IRS

I think i take the easy route here, the 1 inch raise with a 4 speed box better on the budget also  ;)

If you raise the engine and tranny 3 inches you can also move it forward a bit to get some deck lid clearance  ;D

Michael

In a strange twist Hans and I ended up doing a deal with me now owning this car, I have been working on it in my spare time over last few weeks and it is back on road again  :o :). I just gave it a quick makeover, replacing all the brakes, steering parts and anything that perished from sitting for last 18 years or safety, added drop spindles/some old used but good shocks & bus bump stops on rear.
Built a 1776 screamer from mostly junk worn out parts but with decent heads,FK8 & some spare IDAs from Jo's old race car engine with some decent compression, 1 5/8 header and dual mufflers from my engine run stand, re sealed stock gearbox with new axle gaiters, new fuel lines front to rear & electric pump etc etc and now it is getting used again, another one saved  8)

1st Pic as I got it and other 2 as it is now

Nice one.
I see a project coming"how much to run the 9 sec. with a cabrio". ;D

Henk!!!

Cool car  ;D

 ;D ;D good to see richie.....the pro street look is still in my head..a engine for it is in the making now...
So maybe the blue 67 get a "little" make-over underneat

 :D  No not this time, I want something that I can use as my daily driver if I want to and this will work well for that. I have a used csp torque bar so will add that and gearbox mid mount but that's my only plans now on mechanical side of things

 ;D  Sounds a good plan 8)

Motor combo sounds fun, have you done many miles on it?
Lee

I showed Em this and she asked if her 'vert can look like this! As the back end is about 30ft away from the front end, it's unlikely...

Man I do love gasburners they suit about every car

Done a few hundred miles on it now, about 100 over this weekend alone, used it for work and back today and some just driving enjoying it yesterday and again this afternoon, even drives good in pouring rain[does leak a bit around top of screen :o ] and 6v wipers in a 12v are a bit crazy so that's next to get swapped out.
Sun was out all day today though so roof has been down so I can prepare myself for all those miles in Old cab roofless in a few weeks time :o ;D

If it gets to bad on the road, you can pop into a 4x4 shop and get a tarp with straps for the rollbar. Might help a bit..  ::)

 :o :D ;D  As long as we keep moving it will be fine :)

I was about to throw out a voltage dropper thingy. Yours if you want it??
PM Me.

Cheers

The vert looks great, looks like a bug you can just get in and give it a good thrashing and enjoy every journey, so wish i hadn't sold my cab really miss it
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Thanks for the offer  :), I do have one somewhere but am just going to swap it to a 12v motor and be done with it :)

Update:

Its a year on now and its got a lot of use, even collected the Christmas tree in it when it wouldn't fit in normal car ;D
It has been my daily since end of may when weather really got nice, only thing I really have done since I got it back on road is added a fast fab mid mount on gearbox, unblock a accelerator pump jet :o :D and fit one of our fiberglass decklids to see how durable they are in everyday use, I put about 3500miles on it now and it sees over 7000rpm every time I use it ;)  and still gets about 22mpg average

cheers Richie

A while ago i took it off the road as it was starting to get a little tired, some rust was showing and it needed some work to preserve it. So it sat for couple years until last month when i finally got some time for it, I took body off pan so it could be done properly, IRSed pan while it was apart then blasted and i painted it all with suspension parts and everything else getting the same treatment.
Pan was built back up to a roller with a close ratio IRS pan i bought used a few years ago, it also has a ZF LSD fitted which should be fun  ;) Then I moved onto bogy, welding repairs where done where needed and some previous repairs improved on!!!
Then I painted it all factory Ruby red and rebuild could continue :)

Some pica of the work :)

More

Before I put the body back on pan i took the opportunity to make some moulds off the rear 1/4s so i can make carbon versions later on ;)  Also did a mould off front screen and scuttle, just in case  :o ;D :D

Then on with the refit :) There is a big gap in pics here as i didn't take any as was to busy working on it :o ;D Engine now runs, still lots of small stuff to do and interior to be done, roof will be a winter job as want to use it while we still got some decent weather and think roof will be a big job, its pretty rough :(

Nice!!!!

That looks really nice Richie,

The weld in IRS brackets, what brand are they or are they rescued originals?

Thanks,
Lee

I'm interested in this too Lee - I know Bugpack used to do them, but no idea who does them now. I bought a complete IRS rear end to make a set of jigs too, just need a recommendation on the brackets!

I have been using EMPI brackets but they need couple things doing to fit well and don't come with the brake T brackets so these need adding, had a customer just use the brackets from flat out customs and said they fit nice, and they do come with the brake T brackets so will try them next time. I also have jigs that I rent out to help do this if needed :)

 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/124393429298

Thanks Richie,

I am on the verge of converting my 70 to IRS. I have never driven an IRS bug before so want to see what all the fuss is about 😂
Seems silly to build another swing axle car again

Thats where I am with the school project 71 - I may as well put the brackets in while the body is off the pan, especially as I don't have a gearbox for it at all. My wife's cab project is IRS on its original pan but the replacement is swingaxle, so that'll get converted. And if the body ever comes off my car for any reason, it makes sense to put the brackets in there, just to futureproof it!

95% done now, am happy with how its turned out  8)

That turned out beautifully