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My old engine is sold
You can follow the new engine project on my friend Griebels blog who is a big help in the project
www.griebel.blogspot.com

John

Wow - you`re still playing around with that T4 stuff.  ;)

I hope you get it done for the 2008 season and that you will take your car with you to SCC - this is for sure a monster I want to see and hear. Good luck with the rest of the work!

Best rgs
BB

Insane!
What crank are you using?

Type 4 is a very very strong engine so why not still play with it ;)
I hope to be ready in some month

Crank is 86mm Scat

Did you get a 300 flow on the intake ? Who did the flow testing ?
i still wonder if they flow good .

Udo

I only have Pauters word for the flow number

Elnef, how long/deep and what brand are your cylinders. (I am in the progress of building a 80 x 103  street combo).
Thanks,
Harry

Total length is 127,5mm and 34mm of them goes in the block
cylinders = AA and piston is JE 432g

picture=http://bp1.blogger.com/_PK72ALI-_i0/R0msNAwGLHI/AAAAAAAAAyQ/7EVMuTr1t2Q/s400/HPIM1469.JPG

 :)

Elnef, do you have a Equilizer pulley machined for T4 ? (I bought one for the same purpose.) Plus, what cooling system do You use on this project ? (I'm gonna use a very old/new DTM from Joe Locicero).

Regards,
Harry

I will use the one from my old 2,4L
The equilizer is home made by a friend for about 12 years ago

Longblock ready

Cool!!! More Pics pls. :D

Home made header

Looking good John.

Magne

Elnef, what kind of pushrod tubes are you using.
Thanks,
Harry

Pauter

The engine is running and so far no problems  :)

Damn that's scary!  ;D

S.I.C.K. ;D

That's just wrong!  :D

How many pounds of lead did you have to put in the front end to hold it down??  ;D ;D

I dont mind saying this in public: Building the engine was a task with quite a few obsticles. But John and friends just kept on trying until it was in the bag. And that header is a work of its own. I´m impressed.

I´m looking forward to see what numbers you can get out of it, both on the rolls and on the track.

- For some reason the old ACDC song "THUNDER" comes into mind ::)

Thumbs up.
Torben

If some is good and more is better then too much should be just about right!

Shit happens  ??? :'( >:(
web cam 277 1" base  and CB light weight lifters

Oh no... say it aint so!  :-[  :-X !

Bummer :(
Did it break on the #4 exhaust lifter?There are some clearence problem on that one when you use type 1 lifters.

No on number 2 intake
We did make the clearence for #4 exhaust lifter when we fit the bushing

I have order a new cam and lifter this time both from web cam hope this will solve the problem

Ok.But you still have to clearence the cam for the for the lifter,my cam snapped in two pieces at 8700rpm because it it was done in a crappy way :-[

Thanks for trying to help me with my "little" problem

what brand was your cam and what did you do ?

How much clearence do you have ?
I have a little over 1mm from the back side of the lifter to the bushing

any one else who have any ide what was going wrong with my lifter ?
I have looking and looking and ended up with it must have been a bad lifter

Oh goodmorning  :) you talk about cam clearence yes we also did this
I was thinking/reply about lifter clearence in the block and between lifter and bushing

Hi.

I run a WEB 277,Great cam with plenty of POWER :)

I have 3mm clearence between lifter and case(guide)

Here´s a pic of my cam failure

Type 4 rules  [/move]

Sorry that was the wrong picture,thats my old WEB 86B :-[

Heres the 277

it looks like only Udo's lifters are the real thing ;)

Patte
Thanks for the info and picture
do you think 3mm is necessary between the lifter and case or was it just what you have ?

I thought a 277 was a lot of cam in a N/A engine but you have it in a turbo engine thats "crazy"  :)

well well one more try
and so far no problems with cam and/or lifter the engine has now run in about one hour

Godt at høre................

Numbers are up....

www.griebel.blogspot.com

 :D 8)

Yes thats was 2 very good days friday 276hk at the dyno saturday 11,16 on the strip  :)
Thanks to everybody who has a finger in the projekt
and a  special thanks to Griebel who has being a big help in the projekt from start to finish

7/8-6 2008 on Vandel
60ft 1,59 
1/8 7,04/159
1/4 11,07/195

was at the race and can only say.. fuck that engine sounds good..  :o

se you at scc john ;D

.

Very nice numbers
I just bought a 86mm as well.Gone run it with 103mm and then turbocharge it :D

michael

most be a strong engine nice combo  ;)

Well well the race seson is over and so is the clutch ploblems (hope so) I have now install a stage 2 and so far no problems

And maybe these will give me a 10sek ET just bought them from Frallan  ;)

more clutch

Holy Crap Elnef. Is the engine still ok ?

Hi

I think you don't need 3 mm clearance from cam lobe to lifter . Are you shure the lobe did not hit the rod ? Or you had not enough spring pressure and the valves float ?
I never saw a broken Type 4 cam from US , only german Schleicher .

Udo

Yes yes the engine is still ok
the picture was taking after the first run at SCC so its a bit old
I bought a new stage1 there and made some more run but it was slipping and after a test race more here in Denmark I bought a stage2 and have made som run with that and it seems to be okay and ready to next years race

Hi 

Yes I am sure it did not hit the rod
I bought the new cam and lifter from web cam and it have run and working fine since (so far)
spring pressure install 150 max lift 410

John

Ready for the dyno :)

Awesome.

Please let us know how it goes.

Best rgs
BB

Always very impressive to see big Pauter heads on a type 4 engine case. I'am sure Tiki is very interested how your experience is with them as well  ::)

A fresh run with the old 51,3mm  265hp and after 9 run on the dyno finaly 280hp with the terminator

Congrats, do you know much your car weigh?

Thanks and yes 640kg without driver

Nice ;D Congrats
So it looks like its gonna be mid 10sec runs this year 8)

Amazing numbers there Elnef, Congratulations!!!  :)

So... let`s say 720 kg  :)

That means 10.33 and 132 mph

Or 730 kg

10.38 and 131 mph.

Best rgs
BB

Just the right amount of power for a short wheelbase buggy   :o

Yes do you want a ride ? ;) ;)

BB and Patte thanks for the calculation
Its so easy to write and so hard to do it in real life but I sure hope you are right

Shift light was before set at 7400 but now with the Terminator I have to shift at 8200  ;)

On the dyno we also made a run without fan belt 290hp

Thanks for all the comments

Nice numbers :) Congratulations!

How much torque do you have?

Ove

295nm

Don't think your right hand shoulder can take my punches  ;D (insider joke)

What kind of oil pump do you use? a type 1?
I am building a 2.0 type 4 engine and checked my pump, I think I need a new one.
Is a 30mm type 1 ok?

 

I use a modifyed type1 30mm

Today at MIB dynoday the Buggy made 300,7hp and 325nm  :) :)

http://vwnettet.dk/topic/154049/page/3#post-486420

What an awesome engine!! It's exactly what I want for my 1973 Beetle!! I was a bit worried about exhaust clearance issues with the type4 heads (exhaust ports face downwards instead of coming out on the sides like on type 1 engines) but the Pauter heads you usedare type1 style!! I've never heard of these Pauter heads though, are they easy to find? Expensive?

Have a look at my blog and tell me what you think about my Beetle too please!!

http://br-look.blogspot.com/ (http://br-look.blogspot.com/)

Thanks

Info about Pauter: http://www.pauter.com/

Yesterday at "Biltema cup" Thisted raceway unpreppet

60ft 1,59
1/8 6,94 161,6km/t
1/4 10,86 200,7km/t



 

Congrats John!!   ;D
And by looking at that 60 foot time, it will be faster for sure at SCC!!!!!  :o

Thanks
Hope youre right about SCC  ;)

Saturday at Holeby airport
1/8 = 6,91

Photo from the race

http://www.legalrace.dk/home/index.php?option=com_phocagallery&view=category&id=3:holeby-billeder-27-6-2009&Itemid=95

The engine got a new car  :)

That car looks like it would be good fun driving!

Congratulations :-)

Looks good buddy,congratulations!

Thanks

Elnef, a little correction;

The engine got a car

 :D

Looking really good. Have you weighted it?

Best rgs
BB

Ha Ha  :)

No have not weighted it yet but seller said about 632kg with spring plates and torsion bars but the car got ladder bars now so a little les

On the road  ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuVzArOqaEw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuVzArOqaEw)

First test today 1,8 60ft 11,4 191km/t  :-\

Photos
http://racing.dream-time.dk/#4.0

Yesterday  1,58 60ft 11,14 193km/t
Time to take the us turbo gearbox out and instal the old one from the buggy  :)

Engine sounds sooo nice and deep. Its street-trim wrt silencing  8)

Well....... After the gearbox change same ET but now 200km/t gues I need more seat time in the new car  :)

Sounds like you need better 60 feet ..  200 is good for mid 10's

Udo

Yes I agree with you
Here in Denmark we race at local airport without trackbite so its not easy to get good 60ft so I hope it will be better at SCC  :)

Well well no good times this year at SCC
I made a crack in my first gearbox and the picture show what happen after the last run with the second box

OMG, but it's the cheapest part to change  ::)

Good luck with the repair!

gr
Wout

Ahhhh God damn :o

Then it's an easy fix and ready for Das Day#8  ;)

Before the break down  :)

John, i have the same cylinder/piston combo with 80 mm c/w DPR crank, chevy journals and H-Beam Eagle rods.
Would the stroke be too much ? (Piston pulled out of cylinder?). How much clearancing would i have to do
inside the new T4 case.
Would you, or some other T4 head know where to get cyl. spacers and copper headshims ???

Thank you very much,
Harry

Hi
I use a 86mm crank so I cant see why a 80mm wont work
I think you need to put your stuff in youre block and look
A friend of mine made mine spacers
John

1) Thanks
2) I know, just thought you have some additional tips were to look for.
3) Is it Griebel who made the spacers ? Does he own a machine-shop ?

Harry

3) Is it Griebel who made the spacers ? Does he own a machine-shop ?

Yes and no is the short answer

He always help me with my machine job etc.
We have been friends for more than 20years

Holy sh..,John,-20 years  :o No wonder my hair's grey then.... ;D

To Harry: I'm a cnc-machinist/tool and die maker with acces to machinery both professionally and privat....

Got the car on the weight 717 a little more than 632 the seller said  ???

"Anything Is Possible "  ;)

any dyno numbers from today?

280hp and 308nm with fanbelt on

Hi
Have you ever tried a smaller exaust ? It looks very big , special the muffler

Why is the car so heavy ???

Udo

What rods are you using to get the necessary clearance to that big cam?

john is using cunningham rods.

I think the cunningham are the only ones you can use on 86 stroke. up to 82 mm the new Pauters work well

Udo

I belive its heavy because of all the tube inside the car its an old pan car there is modified to a tube chasis car with ladderbars all tube in mild steel
I dont know what to do now maybe build it back to a pan car with new rollcage in cro molly

Is 2" header and 3" mufler to big for a 2979ccm ?

Yes I use cunningham rods
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PK72ALI-_i0/R5xZ07JCnwI/AAAAAAAAA2o/n03zXQujzSY/s400/HPIM1518.JPG

John

On the pictures it looked bigger  :)

Udo

Actually the new Pauter stroker rods clear an 86mm stroke. Thats about 2.870" outside dia on the big end for a 2.0" Chevy/Buick jrl.
And these rods have a 5.800" - 147.32mm C to C

(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i134/Type4Unleashed/PAUTER/Pauter5800008.jpg)

R.I.P "Still Fatall"  ;)

www.griebel.blogspot.com (http://www.griebel.blogspot.com)

Yeah!!  ;)
Kill that heavy MOFO  ;D

(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t318/Photokernow/Spoke.jpg)

Put it back to how it once was as a memory to Spoke… :(

Seriously effing weak.  I second Fastbrit's sentiments.  :(

"Seriously effing weak"....Nice one !!

Read on:

http://ultimateaircooled.com/simplemachinesforum/index.php?topic=7911.30

I dont know who Spoke is, but I like fast cars.
By the looks of the "I play to win" and "Still Fatal", major modifications has been made to the original car. If somebody should have been addressed, it must be the builder of Still Fatal..


My thoughts go to Elnef.
He has put a lot of money into buying a "nice race ready" car from the States, and by the looks of all that he has to redo, it wasnt as he expected.
Two gearboxes gone, and by the looks of the comments on UAC, due to bad tranny/engine support...

The extra time, money and effort that he now has to put into the car to make it RACE-ready is huge.

Good Luck with the rebuild! Hope you will be ready for SCC2011!!!!

reg
Carsten

Almost finish with the cutting and ready for the new floorpan and roolcage update  ;)

Cool  ;)

Bondo-Snow. Go for it John.

Well well got some help from Pernille  ;)

How about some earprotection for Mrs. John.

No more money left I have used them all on saftyshoes for her and parts for the car  ;)

I got a name suggestion for you John.... "Not fatal anymore"  ;) Would look good in black though Good luck!!

Some progress

More progres

Thanks to Griebel for the help and Peter and Martin for lending me some tools  ;)

Peters shop http://www.peter-iversen.com/dk/

Nice work John...

Thanks

A little more progress and now finally ready for some paint  ;D

F&*king H&%ll, what a job/project.  Respect John.

It's hard to keep up with this guy...work'o'holic  ;D

Update :

www.griebel.blogspot.com

First time on wheels still a lot to do  ;)

Ser satme fint ud :-)

Som altid ser det godt ud!  :)
Og John er altid kendt for at arbejde hurtigt  :o

Tak Drenge
Ja som i jo ved er det lidt opad bakke med flere ting men satser da på at bliver klar til scc evt test i Thisted inden :-)

sweet.. now you just need a turbo.  ;D

Nice!

What is the the little pole on the door bar for?

My guess: window net.

I thought John whould shave his legs jump into a thong and use it for Pole dancing betwen the races..  ;D

Looking very nice, can't wait to see it for real.

Christian

More Pics please!
It looks very nice!! :D :D :D

Still Lethal looks Killer!  :)

Christian do you want free tickets to the show  ::) ::)

Its for window net

You´ve done an amazing job to the car .You receive all my respect for it. :) :) :)

Very nice.

Finally ready for some test  ;)

More

Just awesome, thanks for pics !

Very cool :)

Looks great!!

Looks great , but now for that car you need another muffler ...

Udo

Thanks for the comments

Yes I need a new muffler, header and a rear decklid or something but for now I will test as is  ;)

I Have a broken Type 4 Pauter cam in my garage....
Greets

Wow John! Nice job!

I have seen the car IRL from the day John decided to start the angle grinder and chop it up and build it to his own specs and until about now. All I can say is............... well........... I´m actually speechless  :o

Awesome job!

Thumbs up my friend.

T

Well was out testing today first run 11,3  2nd run 11.4 and bad oilpressure so back to the garage  :(

Saw the car launching from a distance of less 3 meters (resque team) and the car is launching much better than last year.
Straight as a arrow down the strip.  The strip was an unpreped air strip. Let's hope you find the reason for the low oil
pressure and you get ready for some SUPER sticky track action at SCC.

Nice done, both the car and the driving, John

/Rolf
RMS Boxer Service

Sounds good! See you next weekend

Yes see you tomorrow but without the car did not find the pressure :(

 :othats was bad news John
See you
Magne

Was on the weight today 660kg without wheelibars 50kg less than last year  :D
Now time to take engine apart and find my oil pressure ;)

Did find my oil preasure (bearing was gone) and was ready to das day
but after som warm up I got some problems with my terminatore and season was over I had no more energi left

Today I put it in the back of my garage and took my other car out in the sun
first time in about a year and took a nice ride i the sun stil fun to drive after 21 year in my ownership  :)

New home made step header

Feeed  ;D

Tasalaha Søren   ;)

Ah... You're taking a Jussi  ;) If it doesnt fit, make it fit.

Does a type4 need wheeliebars  ;)

Udo

The Jussi way hmm if so that must be the old Jussi way the new Jussi way must be something with a lot of alu plate in last minute  ;) :D

I will call it more like the factory way it look a lot more like a car without the "americanway" with big wing and a lot of alu  ;) :D

If the wheeliebar is not needed I will put it in the corner of my garage with all the other leftover parts  ;)

Griebel has made some new bushing for the terminatore I hope they will last a little longer this time  ;)

Got some primer on the "new" rear end

Got my engine started up a few days ago carbs works fine after rebuild thanks Griebel/Spring but my oil pressure is gone again no press under 1000rpm with 100 degrees c oiltemp  >:(

So if anyone need a racecar with or without engine feel free to take contact elnef@gvdnet.dk

John

Wow that really sucks John :(  Did you find a problem last time that caused it?


Richie

 :(  :(  :(

Sorry to learn about your problems Elnef. What do you think is the matter with?

BB

If you need any help or parts I might have, just say when and I'll be there.

Need another case??


/Rolf

Elnef,

Take a break. Time out. Get perspective and listen to people the advise on what it could be.
Do NOT draw conclusion yet.
It can be the most simplest oil presure control valve, a pump that has wrong play, a old oil hose that has collapsed inside, to a complex and more expensiive reason like a cracked case, but you do not know yet.
Now even with the most complex and nervwrecking reason, it is not enough for you to give up right now. Not likely anyway.

Just make sure you take the "time out and get perspective" on the situation before you decide on next step.

Thanks for your comments  ;)

My oil problem started last year when my car was ready in primer
I was ready to install my engine but it had some leak behind the flywheel so I wanted to shift seal but there was something wrong with the last bearing so I took it appart yes bearing was gone and crank need grinding we took a check on the block its was okay and a local machine shop did grind my crank but it was under measurement so back to the shop they was sorry and did it again this time it was okay but coarse about 3 time more than a stock one but they say just put it together it will work but after 2 run at the strip no oil preasure then I change pump valve and so on but nothing help so again took it appart this time the bearing in the middle was gone and back to the shop they say the crank was straight and fine but I wanted it polish so they polished it and I started it up last year and got problems with my carburators they work now but no oil pressure when hot
Maybe its my block or crank or both hmm

i will donate a type 4 case to you. you can come and pick it up next weekend

or i can have it in aalborg by thursday

Hi John,

I will donate lifter bushings, Time Serts for head studs and machining for larger cylinders,
32 mm oil pump, LAT oil of your choice. Peter and I will help you for sure !!
Please don't hesitate asking for any further help for parts and maching.

/Rolf
RMS Boxer Service

Here is what you need -- screw that TIV stuff

http://www.cal-look.com/forum/online-swap-meet/8-second-promod-motor/

Bang and Rolf, That gives me tears. Nice!

Thanks Rolf and Bang very very nice of you I will make you a call

John

I like your idea with a new/another engine but turbo hmm the next you will suggest is I have to put it in a fiat  ;) :D
Nice price on turbo engine anyway  ;)

Sounds like you need another case if the crank is ok. But NO 32 mm pump . it will suck you the oil out of the sump. i hope you have a scat 1,5ltr sump !?

Do not stop working on it after all that work

Good luck !!!!!!! Udo

Hi Udo

Thanks for your advise
I have no sump on now
Do you always use sump on type4 engine or only when 32mm pump is used ?

John

Yeah, it sucks. John and I had a long chat the other day. And the symptoms are very much alike what I experienced on an Ally type 1 case about 3 years ago. At that time I did not find a crack in the case, but did replace it in the end and solved the pressure problem.
I think this has been the problem from day one with this case. We/I just did´nt  adress it because it was a type 4 and no one that we knew of have ever had this problem on a type 4.

T

Never use a 32 pump on any engine. Type4 max 26mm Gene Berg. You must have a sump on an engine like yours , otherwise you do not have any oil in the bottom of the case.
Torben - i think you never had an engine that makes 8000 or more rpm ?

Udo

Thanks Udo

Do you have a sump I can buy ?

John

Hi John.

Lack of oilpressure really sucks.
I have had  problems with low oilpressure (0,1bar) at idle when hot after a run for years.

I have been trying all types of cures for the problem and i think i have found whats causing it, i believe
its the original oil filterholder with the built in pressurerelief that fucks it up.
After plugging it and making a type1 style remote oilfiltersystem the probs are solved  :)

It now idles at 2,5bar when hot and 3-3,5bar when cold  ;D

I use a Melling 32mm and Scat deepsump  ;)

Patte.

John,let me know if you cant get a sump,I have some parts coming from usa end of next week and can get a scat type 4 sump added in there for you if you need it

cheers richie

I have no in stock . sounds good what richie says . order it , scat is the only one that makes type4 sumps. And use a 26 pump
or 30mm schadek if you want
Udo

Thanks for input everybody

My engine is apart nothing to see hmm
Got some parts from Rolf and Bang yesterday Thanks
Richie I will pm you later this weekend
I have solved the problems with the valve Patte talk about with a 6mm screw you can see it on the photo

Hi Udo better late than never here you go my number at 28" with Carburator on


                CFM
   Lift       No. 1      No. 2
--------    -------    -------
    1.00       23.7       37.4 
    2.00       44.4       60.0 
    3.00       65.5       80.9 
    4.00       87.0      104.2 
    5.00      105.8      129.0 
    6.00      122.5      153.6 
    7.00      136.2      174.5 
    8.00      150.0      195.5 
    9.00      162.9      217.5 
   10.00      174.2      238.4 
   11.00      184.0      257.0 
   12.00      195.0      271.5 
   13.00      201.8      280.9 
   14.00      208.7      291.2 
   15.00      213.2      298.3 
   16.00      217.4      304.3 
   17.00      221.2      307.5 
   18.00      225.1      308.3 
   19.00      227.6      310.3 
   20.00      232.6      313.5 
   21.00      231.9      315.0 
   22.00                 320.2 
     

Nice!

Thanks for sharing.

No problem I got them flowed a few days ago  ;)

Bangs block was not okay so I got one another from a longtime good friend Frank Andersen the local type4 guro  :)
Griebel checked my crank and its okay and he also got my block and will measure it

John

Well after Griebel had measured some/serval blocks for me we finally got one from another long time friend Dalsgaard that was spot on
Griebel made some machine work on it and its almost ready  ;)
Also got a new cam  and more parts is on there way home to me ;)

Cool,

I didn t know JPM made cams for Type 4, now I know  ;)
Is this one custom made, or does he have a few(profiles) on stock.
I kinda like one.

Good luck with the engine, hope this one will stay alive.

Regards Edgar

Answering for John:
The JPM Raptor cam is custom made for this particual engines new specs.

Ok that is good to know, it is desinged for the engine.
Is this a complete set with lifters, valvesprings and pushrods?
or just the cam?

I think it is time to contact JPM, my plan is to travel by his place on the way to SCC, this year.

thanks griebel

Regards Edgar

Only cam and lifters in the box

But if you want he also have the other parts  ;)

John

Some progres  ;)

Looks like those rods can reach the cookies in the kitchen  8)

While waiting for the last parts for my heads I put in a new belt  ;)

New belt looks good. That gives us hope you will race this year  :)

Udo

Yep spot on Udo  ;)
I had a plan/dream about malmø or bitburg first in july but time is flying so later this year

The last parts for now  ;D
Now to the machine shop with parts and heads  ;)

Elnef which case through bolts do you use.

10mm 12.9 

John

Did you use any of these on the case bolts.

http://www.bughaus.com/case_isolation_damper_-_021101107.htm

I am selling the through bolt set john is using.


/Rolf

Rolf@boxerservice.dk

No

Rolf you cant sell my bolts  ;D

allright, John you got me there  ;D

I sell bolt sets like the bolts John is using ;)


/Rolf

O.k. what's the price on them and did you use any of these with the bolts. Oh! by the way are they grade 12.9 i think elnef wrote 10mm 12.9. I am just making sure i have everything correct.

http://www.bughaus.com/case_isolation_damper_-_021101107.htm

New special made guides for John´s pauter heads.

Heads on  :)

Good luck John,nearly there :)

cheers richie

Thanks Richie and yes youre are right its close now  ;)

Did you have the oil drainback from the heads before?

cheers richie

No its new hope it will work

The valve cover breath hole and the one in my block is also closed (actually I never drill it in the new block) and now it breath from a 1" beside the alternator

That is a good idea . specialy why the pauter heads have a big rocker room where the oil can stay in

Udo

I belive you need more than just 25 mm, why not open the hole up a few mm's... It does wonders for the area.
Looking good Elnef, any chanse of seeing you in the Norwegian woods this fall?

I think 25mm is okay but I will find out in a few days or so

About scc right now I dont think I will be there this year
there is a race at the local drag strip same weekend and its perfect for test and tune (my car is still new build only ran 2x402m in it in this setup)

If you have that 25 mm and one 12mm on each valve cover it is ok. Take the time and make some fittings on the covers

Udo

Hi Udo

Why do you want them in the valve cover ?

I renember Mufler Mikes test where one of them was full of oil

I agree with you John, keep the venting going on in the case... no need to create a "wind" up thru the pushrod tubes.Two 1" fittings in the case roof of the only Pauter case I have seen IRL... makes sense.

Sad to hear your not coming to SCC as we would have loved to have you there.

For me it makes sense to get the pressure out of the valve covers. I had this also before i have the return lines and never oil comming out

Udo

Thanks Udo for youre advise

Engine is running so far no problems  ;D

Looks narrow! And thats nice  ;D


Really think you should head to Norway and Gardermoen in August  ;)

Ready for dyno next wednesday  ;)

Good luck :-)

Im likeing this ;)

Hi John.
 Fingers crossed for Wednesday! please, drop a video in here, so we can see AND hear how it went! :) ( maybe Wednesday?!?) ;D ;D ;D

regards. Mads


 

good luck with tomorrow john;-)

Any news ?

Yes a little news was there all day yesterday and will be there again today
Engine sounds great still got preasure  :) respond wery well on the throttle but only about 270 hp around 6000 and something happen maybe tyre spin or ? we did try serval exhaust and so on
today we will try with another set of rim/tyre

Thanks to Rasmus for help all day long

Sounds good- try slick tires and strap it right to the dyno. if this does not work i spray clue on the tires  :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVf2fPQLfmk

Udo

Thanks but we actually did it that way and same at all my dyno times before with no problems but there was some rubber parts on the roof and you could see on the slicks surface at they were spinning so my dyno man want to try normal tyre and more strap down and more glue he say he had best results/grib with normal tyre
well we get the result later today  ;)

Well after another day at dyno my new tyre/rims make the dyno catch my power so now no spin  :)

But I still got problems ignition or fuel or both engine pull nice and power full up to a little over 6000 but then the curve look strange
we change fuel pump and coil but same and the pc at the dyno says everything okay with ignition and fuel but in real life there is something wrong
We now think there is not power enough in my old bosh ignition to make the fuel burn correct when we pull over 6000 with the more comp I got now 12,8-1 compare to before 12,1-1

now I will go on holiday the next 3 weeks an then take up the battle again  ;) ;)

John

After a nice 3100km drive and camping around Denmark,Sweden and Norway with Pernille and our dog it was time to go in my garage again  :)

I have now put on a complete msd ignition and now waiting for a new dyno time  :)

 

Good! Just in time for SCC.

Got a new dyno time tomorrow so lets see what happen  ;)

go go go :-) Still many days left

Well was at the dyno today and it worked wery well 308hp at 7500 and only 10 less at 8500 with belt on  ;)

Then I wanted to try a bigger muffler and it looks like it was better but there will go some time before we know it for sure if ever for we got a big bang and it was over got a big hole in my block

Have now taken it appart and my crank is in two parts with a lot of other broken parts

Got this photo more will come tomorrow  ;)

 ;)

ahh fuck.. that is shit.... big time

Did that happen now?

What the hell happend? Or.. What locked up first?

earlyer today yes

Crank broke and made the hole and so on

Sorry for your loss. What type of crank was it?

That sucks!!
Sorry for your bad luck:-(
Hope you still come to SCC for beer, racing and motivation

It hurts.

Thanks
Crank was a scat 86mm
Some better photos

Hi John
thats was shit
i hope you take trip to Gardermoen ;

Dam Elnef! This is indeed not the news I was hoping for. Time to grab a beer and reconsider things. Then afterwards look at the shelf with all the parts you have collected over the years, add a couple of new parts, a turbo and go faster than ever before.

Take care buddy,

-K-

Oooooh shit,that's some serious damage  :o
 I really feel sorry for you Jon


True that ,Its never to late to join the dark side  ;)

//Patte

NOOO!!!

Very sad Friday for me too.
Really looks like it was the crank in fact that gave away.
Or did you see anything else yet that could have triggered it?
Any history of this crank that is hidden or you bought it new?

Yes it was an expensive day at the dyno but thats racing I dont know what I will do right now guess I am stupid enough to build a new one to see how mutch better the big mufler is   :)

Yes I bought the crank it new 5 years ago
I belive it was my crank there gave up no sign of anything else
As far I have looked at the parts not a lot can be reused

I am/was wery happy with my dyno result so not everything was bad  :)

great attitude to have :)

hope things go alot better next time!

Well well I have started to get some parts for a new engine and also got some parts laying around i my garage so
this time it will be a 84x105 more comp jpm cam etc.
Heads is at jpm to get new valveguides and refresh valveseat angle
Also bought a new gearbox with finnish gearset not that I need it a lot right now  :)

Did you get a brand new crank now ?

Good luck

Udo

Hi Udo

Any reason you ask ?
My old crank was brand new when I build the engine first time

My plan is to use this crank since I got it and it did not sell and yes its new bought from scat back in the late 90
http://cal-look.no/lounge/index.php/topic,17885.msg273722.html#msg273722

John

That is the older forged one, much stronger than the new billet cranks. Looks good. If it is a used one i would magnaflux it .

I hope we see you on the track next year , this is why i ask

Udo

Thanks udo its new and never used only put together for test :-)

I hope to be ready racing next year but it all come down to money so maybe 2014

(right now I am rebuilding a T25 westfalia camper rust repair new paint subaru engine etc.)

"Heads is at jpm to get new valveguides and refresh valveseat angles"

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Good luck next time :)

Elnef!

I've read thru this thread ... All I can say is WOW! You are one RESILIENT Dude! ;)
Many would haver called it quits but you just keep going and Going and GOING! We should rename you "TIMEX"!
Whereas I am sorry to hear of the failure on the dyno, I wish you VERY MUCH GOOD LUCK in the near future and hope you get it down the track sooner than later!
Wish I could help in some other way ...

TxT

Thanks I guess I need all the luck I can get  :)

I belive it is a part of the game to rebuild it when it break down but like others I sometimes thinks now its enough and all just can be sold
But then that said I would really like to try the car on the strip with all the new mods
I dream about a 10sek car
Just ordered new ti valves and rods from pauter

John

The new light weight rods with smaller bolts should work with that stroke. By the way , i told you that i would never make more than 80 mm on an engine like that . Our most powerfull engine has 80x105 with pauter heads and EFI
But your older scat crank should work
Udo

Yes its the new light model I have bought
I belive the old crank will be up to the job if not I now know what happen  ;)
My long time good friend Griebel had made a lot of measurements on the crank and its ok and straight
I know you told me about max 80mm but like my parrents always say I wont listen
The engine you talk about is it svens ?
What does it made of hp and at what rpm ?
What kind of pistons do you use flat top or dome ?
Does Kemp not still use an 86mm crank ?

Broken Scat 86mm seemes to be a general problem,- already broken 2 on my own, one old style and one new. Is there anyone that makes better cranks, or have done it before to look for seconhand, or is it maybe a good idea to ask Pauter to start produsing them for us...I recon he needs more then one order to even consider to make a batch.

I also thought about asking pauter for a crank . may be moldex still makes one ?
You must look for straightness and craks each year ..like i do with the 86 from Thomas
Yes it is Svens engine . we had 320 hp , very strong in the midrange because of the EFI . I hope he races next year

Udo

I guess my goal must be 321hp now  :)

I have a friend that had Moldex make him a Type lV 88mm stroker with Chevy jrl's some years ago (so yes Moldex will still do Type lV cranks), which the motor is still in the build process. It had cost him $2000 plus shipping.

But I am looking at having http://www.marinecrankshaftinc.com/billet-crankshafts.html make me a crankshaft, they have a good rep and their local.

Here are a couple pics of the 88mm Moldex
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(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i134/Type4Unleashed/1352425622002.jpg)

Marine crankshaft does nice work, they will make any crank you want. Dave Eden is the owner, nice guy.

That gives us 2 alternatives, but are they any stronger than Scats??
Scat have produced cranks for many years, they should how to make them strong enough...?
Sorry for hijacking your trad Elnef, but I have reason to belive that many t4 builders are folowing it.

I think they changed the material . The older ones where stronger .

Elnef - i think if you get 300 hp that work over the year and run consistant 10's you are on the right side  :)

Udo

About 4 years ago they had to change supplier[not the actual material] due to a huge price increase for the billet material meaning the retail cost would have doubled


cheers richie

No need to say sorry
If anybody got some info just bring it on  ;)

John

Hope to meet you sometime "on the right side"  :)

Was at jpm yesterday (1100km road trip) with some of the locals (griebel, franke) and picked up my heads after he had done new valve guides og valve seat angles top job  ;)
We had a long talk about my engine and the new engine is sligtly comming together in my mind and now I "only" have left to buy some parts and put it together  :)

Excellent news Elnef. So I guess you will use a Raptor cam, alu pushrods and very little spring pressure.  ;)

I got the parts you talk about but not sure about the alu push rods if I will use them or not
Also had a Raptor cam in my engine when my crank broke
Here is a photo from last time on the dyno with belt on  ;)

Found this photo this morning on facebook a action photo of my car its very very rare  :)

No make it that it is no longe rare ...

Udo

Well well not a lot to write aboute but for me its was a great day  :)
Today was first time in my garage after my whipple opperation
I am slowly getting better and better
I did some job on my block today so later this year I will be back with a new engine

A little update engine is back together and sitting in the car upstart in a few days and if all okay then on dyno :-)

Great news John , fingers crossed  ;)

Good news!
Will there be racing this summer? :)

Just a tip, fjordline is sailing from Hirtshals for 199 for one man and one car. That leaves you with only 3,5 hours of driving ;-)

Well well I belive I am ready to dyno testing everything is okay so far and engine sound snappy  :)

I hope to race later this year but at the moment no outside country trip for me says my doc I stil have some problems after my opperation

Dyno on friday 😉

Excellent, then you still have plenty of time before the racing starts on Saturday morning. Good luck with the dyno session mate!

Thanks  :)

Fresh numbers from todays dyno 307hp at 8100rpm 312nm at 6000rpm with muffler and belt so I am very happy 😀

Great all went well  ,  Nice numbers too  ;)

Thanks

More info here  ;)

http://griebel.blogspot.dk/2013/08/for-good-time-call-elnef-2909_11.html

Some Photos

Now with moldings and headlamps  :)

Looking really good Elnef! Will you be able to race it this season? We are a few guys from Norway that will attend the Night of Fire race at Kjula 21-22 Sept. I can highly recommend the Kjula strip and it would be really nice to meet you again.

Best rgs
Kalle

Thanks I really hope to get out race later this year but I am on daily morphine at the moment but monday I will have a little opperation and then I hope to be free of morphine and pain so my race season can get startet 😊

Fingers crossed for you John :)

cheers Richie

or you can find a driver ;D

read"me"

Get that health issue under control John -- -- Racing will come when it comes

Fiatdude thats also the major plan 😉 just happy to made some progres on my car 😊
Richie thanks
Bang you cant handle the power sorry 😛

 :D  :D  :D

Get well and get back to racing!

So far no problems after my Little opperation  :)
But no racing this year so I have decided to take my car to JPM Dyno Day 2013  :)

A HUGE congrats to Elnef for the highest HP result at this year JPM dyno day! 313 hp. Well deserved mate!

-BB-

A Finnish word to describe a guy from Denmark,-SISU !!

Quote : "The ability to sustain an action against the odds. Deciding on a course of action and then sticking to that decision against repeated failures is SISU."

See you  ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvTiDAY3UaE&feature=youtu.be

Thanks guys
I will need another trip to Johannes because my engine made the power allready at 6300 😉

Awesome!! Outstanding result.

Congrats man!

Well Dyno time Again Friday at JPM  ;)

Well home again after a trip to JPM
Johannes did a nice job and found 8 more hp and a better top end curve
We had a great day

321hp?  :o

Extremely impressive! Big, big congrats!

Outstanding achievement! Will be great to see it on the track next year!
:)
Johan

Well was on another dyno session at the lokal dyno we wanted to straighten the curve and test spacer under the  carburatore 40mm made by Griebel 60mm made by Riise thanks Guys  ;) the 60mm was the best and I needed to make some Space someone call it the Jussi way  :)
The red one is the final result and it is with muffler and belt  ;)

Really nice Elnef! I like your breather tube!

Thanks Kalle
The breather tube is 1"  ;)

Well I got a new big operation 8 weeks ago and this time it looks like they found my pain problems  ;) no problems no morphine no pain killer the last serval weeks  ;D
My Doc says ok to race if I got the strenght
I will start on job in a week or so but only on part time to start with
So I think I will be out racing later this year  ;)

This is excellent news Elnef and fingers crossed that your pain problems are gone forever. I really look forward to seeing you back on the track again!

Best rgs
Kalle

Happy to hear!!

Race ready 😃

First test in years next weekend hope to get in the 10sek  ;)

http://www.bilgalleri.dk/DHB/

If you can't get into the tens with 300+HP,,,, we'll need to put your car on a diet!!!!

Best of luck to you

Thanks
Had the car on the scale some time ago 664kg with fuel
So yes in teory a mid to low 10 is posible but I am a little rusty I gues so a 10.? And I am very happy

Careful, last time he chopped bits out of the car the Americans went nuts! ;)

 :) ;)

1463.87 pounds --- -- At that weight and NOT running a ten -- -- we'll have to call you the Tin Man and get the Wizard of OZ to oil you up  ;D ;D ;D ::)

New PB for this "rusty tin man"   ;D 10.87 for now,-race continues tomorrow  8)

Way to go!!!
Some finetuning of the car and knocking off some rust, I´m sure there is a 10,5 coming up

Happy to see you back tin man.

T

Well well 10,87 was the best saturday sunday started with some rain but later the weather was nice I only did a tyre warm up and lost all my oil on the track lost a oil hose to my oilcooler  but all in all I am very happy and I am sure there is more in it  :)

From weekend race
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Very good John, really happy for you after the long battle to get you and the car back to the track, well done to you all 8) :)

cheers Richie

Big congrats from Norway!

I hope you got the taste for racing back and that you are inspired to go even faster soon!

Take care buddy!

Best rgs
Kalle

Well done John!  :)

Thanks guys
Yes you are right my life has not been a walk in the park the last years but I am getting better day by day
I got good help from kiel on the track without him it was not possible for me to race so thank you
In a few days I am ready with new oil hose and oil and then ready for more race I am satifies with my cars performance and my new gearbox with "jussi gear" I belive I can get lower in the tens with a lot more seat time

Congrats!  ;)

Cheers Christoph

Thanks christoph
Action photo 😉

It aint easy to keep a racer running some dyno run and 1 race and clutch gave up hmm

Just ordered a rev6
But had another stage 2 and was out saturday to do some test

Another photos from Holeby
Engine is in taken appart again no comp and there has also been some valve bounce/valve float :-(

I have now done some inspection on my engine parts and it is not good

Valve float/bounce has damaged 1 lifter and there is small metal parts from lifter all over the engine

The needed parts list so far:
Cam and lifter set
New valveseat job and valve guides
Better valve spring than last time
Cyl
Piston rings
Oil pump
All bearing
Oil and a good clean up  ;)

And a new crank there is a little crack in it  :(

So here we go again

I though you are using JPM pushrod?  valve still float with that?

Berg push rod 80g only 8g more than JPM un cut
My spring pressure is/was 190 500 and that was to much for alu pushrod in my head
JPM has only test run them on dyno with around 450

My valve spring has lost some pressure that causes valve float/bounce

I have been in weekly contact with Johannes and he is trying to help me out of this nothing bad to say about Johannes

Hope you`re getting everything sorted for next season , hope to see you at several events  ;D

Rgs
Erich

I can help you with  oil and ultrasonic cleaning of all parts.  Just say when  :)

/Rolf

Christmas came early this year new clutch with flywheel  ;)
Still need a lot of parts, time and money for the new setup but a good clutch is a nice start  :)

Nice parts.

Not a lot going on in this project I have just got these rod from udo and ordered another dpr crank this time 80mm
My plan this time is less power full engine less comp and cc = hopefully longer live on parts
But for now I spend my time on another (callook projekt)  :-)
My health is going stronger day by day no pain killer or morphine in months :-) last 3 weeks full time on job  ;) ;)

Thats great news! Glad that you have your energy back and I hope we all will have the pleasure to meet you again this season. You are missed at the races Elnef.

Best rgs
BB

Thanks for the nice words

I will do what I can to make some test late/later in this year
Heads are at jpm ready in a few weeks he said
Got most of the other parts needed

Health is still fine  ;)
Camper is done  :)
Finally got the last parts for my engine: crank pushrods pistonrings etc  :)

New engine combo 2771ccm Type4 in progres 80x105 Pauter Heads JPM cam/lifter 61 Terminatore etc.
First step BAS bolts in RLR Rev6 flywheel  :)

some progres

Great Elnef  :) :)

Rgs
Erich

Yes Erich its great to be back in "engine mode"  ;)
Engine is put together just need to put it in my car and on the dyno some day

New battery, fuelpump and some other small things and its ready to dyno  ;)

Cool, it will be interesting to see the numbers!

Livsfare

Nice reminder  :D

Good luck on the dyno Elnef!

-BB-

Thanks
Yes Kalle its a great reminder  😉
I think it will make around 100hp pr L this time 😉

Was at the dyno today had a few run but then some problem with the dyno need to come back another day to finish
Number so far 278 at 7200 so 100 pr L is done on maybe some more to come
I am happy with the result 12+ cr and vpower fuel 👍

Very nice John 8)

Indeed! Keep on with the good work John!

-K-

Whooo 100 pr Liter  :o. Nice .  ;D
I wish I could get those figures...

Sure,-nice numbers for starters anyway  ;) ;)..But really,-did you have to tear Mr.L's dyno apart in first go ?!  ;D ;D

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Thanks guys  :)
The stand so far my engine vs Mr L's dyno  1-1  :)

While waiting for the dyno to work again I just bought another car to play with 67 1200 engine  ;)

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a light blue 67  :)

 :D



Nice car John, just needs a 2276 type 1 with some nitrous and it would be ready ;D 8)

Maybe its my phone but its fontanagrey 😉
111 standard/sparkaefer

 :) Cracked, faded and partly missing, at least most of what is left of my paint is original.

Fontana Grey works as well Elnef. Looks like a cool car!

-BB-

Was at the dyno today 310 at 7350 and 316nm at 6100 with belt and mufler 99 oktan v power
It started bad but with smaller venturi the engine started to pull nice I need at least one more time on dyno with smaller venturi to get the fuel correct
I am very happy with the result so far 😃

Wow!! I need to adjust boost to keep up!

-K-

Very cool.  You've built an animal!

Thanks guys  ;)
Here some Photo to show how bad it was no curve at all was the same and what happen with a small changes in venturi from 52 to 50  :)
And so far my plan to get the power on lower rpm than last time (8300) to get some life time on parts is a succes

Nice nimbers , now you must keep all together for some races ....
Fingers crossed

Good luck Udo

Thanks Udo also thanks for all youre advise on this project
Yes you are right one more dyno run and then just stay on the trailer and ready for some spring race  ;)

He he! Yes.
It is going to bee really interesting to see how it responds to slightly smaller venturies. Fingers crossed.

T

The never ending story
Result from yesterday dyno

O no
That sucks dude .
Gr

WTF happened John?

-K-

Engine will not turn/start after some dyno pull then it was time to take it appart
Bearing gone hmm
all other bearing in engine looks like new
I dont understand why maybe its time to go street racing again
Anyone need a 10sek/300+hp projekt ?

Indeed it is! Build a 1.6 - 1.9 turbo engine with 300-400hp and you have a potent street car that you can drive everywhere any day.

Sorry to learn about your engine!

-BB-

Ouch! Is this nr 1 mean bearing right behind the flywheel?

No the other end first big one behind cam gear

Sorry to see that , but it looks like the bearing did not fit right on the pin when assembeling :-(

Udo

Looks like it may have suffered a lack of oil volume,
coupled with an oil clearance on that journal, a little tight.

I like to use the split main bearings where ever they will fit.
The split type have a better 'oil wedge', than the aluminium ones.

Thanks for your input guys

Elnef,

I just remembered there has been some faulty nose bearings around missing a small but crucial oil hole. You might have gotten one in the box?
Pls check?

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Regards,
Walter

Thanks Walter
Your bearing photo is the first small bearing but mine "problem bearing" is the first big one 😉
But again thanks 👍

Can it be fixed Elnef ?
or let me say is it an easy fix no futher damage en stuff.
gr henri

I read on your posts that you ran quite high rpms
can it be that the oil get pumped back into the case
just like big block chryslers an usa fords
the used an orfice in the crankshaft to equal/balance the oil flow
I hope you can undestand what i mean.

gr henri

Yes I understand  ;)
Yes it is fix able but for now I dont know how bad it is I have stored it all away
If I am lucky polish crank and repair bearing pin hole
if not new block and one size down on crank
And in both scenarie new bearing oil pump ect

Well well block and crank ready for some check
Gearbox ready for some new gaskets

My long time friend Griebel has done some mesurements on crank and block at they are ready for round 12 I guess 👍
New bearing arrived today 😃

Good luck for this year . Bitburg is in mai first time :-)

Udo

Thanks Udo ;-)
Gearbox is ready axls is on and will get in car tomorrow :-)

Gearbox in car and engine is slowly getting together 👍

Engine ready 😃

YEAH!

Did you change anything to the set-up?

Glad you like it  ;)
No change in set up only a lot more measurement on main bearing bought a few set and used the best And this time I will try motul full syn racing oil

Great Elnef  :)

Engine is running and so far no problems 😃

That's love........
See ya' at the strip.

yep  ;)

Todays no 👍

Congrats dude.
Gr henri

 😎 Kringeling igen ! 😊

Not too shabby Elnef  :) With belt I pressume?

-BB-

Thanks guys
Yes with belt mufler and 99v power
No adjustment only to se it will run a straigt curve it was not my normal dyno place where I had serval problems last few time

Great stuff!

Great to see you getting success with the new engine. I've read through your (this) thread a couple of times and it is inspiring that you didn't give up after all that happened with this car and yourself. It's time to kick a$$ with this car now! Best of luck!

Thanks  ;)

Last update before race was at my local dyno today for some/serval adjustment and venturie change etc
315hp with belt and mufler 99 v power fuel 👍

Dang dang dang! A 37hp increase by changing dyno place! I need to try the same trick :D

Congrats again on a good result. I hope the engine will stay together and just work as it is supposed to do. And of course push you and your car over the line in just about 10.5 seconds.

So when do you plan to go racing? And where?

Best rgs
BB

That is really good results! That car will push hard :o
Hope to see you at a track this year

Every little thing counts 300+ aint easy 😜


I will race first time 23/4 here in Denmark a little test and tune 1/8 mile race
Thanks for youre comments guys 👍

Very impressive John 8) That's serious HP for a N/A van engine ;) ;D   I hope you get to enjoy it this year properly, maybe see you at a track as we plan on travelling up to Scandinavia this summer

cheers Richie

WOW Richie! You have moderated yourself. 10 years ago you would have said boat anchor  ;D Must be a age thing....

-K-

I did write that 1st :D  but wasn't sure how it would translate so changed it, you know me to well :D ;D

Whahaha sorry Richie tought this too  ;D

Where in Denmark is the race, 23/4th?

/Jakob

Thanks

But boat anchor sound more like you  :P

Jacob here you go

http://www.mosten-mc.dk/most/springtimerace2016.html

 :o  That's so harsh, I feel I have got a certain reputation here :'(   



I can't help it if some people like to recycle old junk from the bottom of the sea   :o ;D




cheers Richie 

It was the word boat anchor that sound more like a word you will use when you write van engine I start to think richie who
👍

A little front upgrade for saturdays test race  ;)

Was out testing yesterday first run 7,3 little problem with carbs easy fix next 3 run 7,0 163km/t but bad 60ft 1,6 something to work with but last run I made a big bummer got it in first not third after second gear so now my box is locked in firstgear and the case got a big crack in the side hmm

👍

You don't have much luck do you :(

No but engine sound great  ::)

its even bleeding! :(

Case and R/P gone so far
I will have a look at the engine to because it rev a lot of rpm when I hit first

 :(  But a gearbox can get repaird - good luck with the engine

Udo

Clutch management next Elnef. You need it with your kind of HP if you want to improve your 60ft and save your gearbox.

-BB-

Yes I know and have it in my car but it seems I still got other problems before I get to use it or learn to use it
(It was in my car when I bought it from us and one of few thing that Works from overthere  ;) ;) )

Udo do you have something special in your mind to look at on engine ?
I think valvespring pushrod maybe valve hit piston etc

So you already have a hydraulic clutch system in your with a solenoid, needle valve and a trigger switch mounted nearby the gearshifter?

-BB-

Yes

As you can see to much power used to go up insted of going forward 😉

Indeed. It looks really cool but it is not very efficient... Just ask Richie  :D Add more slip and you can reduce the launch rpm, improve your 60ft and save your gearbox.

-BB-

What do you expect if you put a bloody great anchor at the back, that's not a wheelie that's just sitting still  :o :D ;D 

cheers Richie

At least it does not have turbo or nos 😍😍😍

 ;D

Go fast no no no then I will just start breaking parts 😉

2 bar less comp on one cyl hmm back to start 👎

Elnef
Try a little oil in the cilinders
Do dertemite if its the valves or rings
2 bar is relative
Wat is the max in bar ?
The cil /pistons are cold now
Maby better do a blowby test then
Good luck
Gr henri

Yes engine is cold
I have just run it with starter low rpm 6 bar on 3 cyl 4 bar on the last one
I think its a lot in % 1/3 less

Get a leakdown done. You can determine easier what you have to deal with

John,

Regarding your over rev. , what did your memory on the tachometer say?
I suggest you:
Do a leak down test (NO compression test! If the valves are f-d, they gone be even worse. Compression test gives nothing comparing to leak down test, ever(!))
As the indication is with the compression test, now: Take of the heads and check the valves (and pistons for marks).
Check your connecting rods and journals.
"Been there/done that": 14k on the tachometer, made the rods kiss the ruff in the block (3 rods, journals, valves, seats, push rods, 1 piston and liner).
To much money to play around with. I would check everything down to the rod journals.
 
I suffer with you; "You ain't wearing the golden pants".
I have a new Rhino case, with the pinion seat steel bushed.
I also have a heat treated / de burred 3.88 R / P.
Needed: +46 705 69 33 43, Mats

Mr Herrlander is unusually outspoken for being a Swede and I have to say I agree :) Do a leak down and you will know a lot more.

Keep fighting it Elnef and you will win!

-BB-

Thanks for youre input and comments
I will do a leak down test next week
After that I really dont know what I will do

The leak test will tell you what to do next together with your actual RPMS. If the leak test shows that your intake valve is leaking and you where below, let say 9000 rpms, I would replace the bent valve and that's it.

-BB-

Yes engine is pretty "simple" now but I was thinking more in the future about racing go on or not
I have no memory on tach I shift around 8000 but I think engine came way over 10000rpm when I hit first
Like Mats wrote I am not wearing golden pants ;-)
I am not crying just thinking loud ;-)
I was out first time 97 bug run so its not easy to let racing go

Take your time, let inspiration come back to you, you know it will some day.. You fought worse things than this John ;)
Once a racer- always a racer

John,
Your never gone "get rid of the oil", once a racer always a racer. Forget it: Your addicted!
It will come back, sooner or later ...

You say more than 10k rpm(?): you must check your valves, heads, seats... and probably you need 8 new springs. Springs don't like over rev. and must be checked.
Even though your leak down shows that your valves are tight, I had not relied on this.
If I'm not mistaken, you run K800 valve springs (?). With such a spring pressure, the valve remains sealed, even if it's bent.
I would definitely pull of the heads. (..and the liners, pistons and connecting rods, to check the journals).

Regarding the trany: get in contact and I'm sure we can work something out.

Glad to see the nice comments and help offered to my friend, John  :) He's taking a little r'n'r with his family this weekend,-...Knowing Mr.Elnef, I couldn't imagine him stop the racing now  ;) SISU !!!  8)

Again thanks for youre comments 👍
Leak down just done the 3 cyl with 6bar was around 35-40% the last one with 4bar was 72%
Mats (en krone er en krone) Herrlander I will take contact on mail when I have decided what to do 👍
By the way my girlfriend and our dog did win last weekens dog show in baby class 😉

Congrats on the win! Looking forward to read about the leak down results.

-BB-

Thanks Kalle  ;)
Heads is off and at first look no hit marks in piston or valves 👍
Push rods is still straight 👍

Now I have put fuel in heads to check valve only 1 intake is leaking the one with bad comp 😉
So at the moment I think it has hit the piston
I have some valves in spare 😉

Hoping that's all John :)

..and then I wonder, did you have any valve springs mounted?
Because IF you had, you still don't know shit(!).
Any marks in the pistons?
You must take away the springs. The force from a spring can make any crooked vale seal properly.
Regarding the trany, I reply on mail.

Cheers!
Mats

Yes I did had valve spring in was curious how bad is was
I will take them out next time in garage and check them and valveseat
Piston liner and rods is also comming of maybe I also will split the block
No marks in piston

A Little update
Valves is out nothing to see on them I have tried to rotate them all in my drillpress no one is bend
Valvespring has lost from 10-50psi in press
Next is piston/liner con rods and rod bearing

Well , soon ready again then  :)

Got this nice little box today bought it from Tony 😉

 :) , håper alt blir bra nå ...

mvh

Update
Box ready in car
Engine almost ready new rod bearing and valvesprings

Start up is getting closer
I belive in fair time for next years races

Looking fantastic Elnef!

Thanks

I belive I will start up the engine soon

Just in time for next season then :-)

yep  ;)

a old guy told me ones whats ready at Christmas is ready for summer race  :)

Engine is up and running 😃

Looks extremely impressive!

Thanks for the nice words

Hope it will last a little longer this time  ;)

Yesterday I was out testing my car in a local motorfestival 201m on mainstreet in the city

1.4x 60ft on the street, wow!

Thats a mid 10 second run in the 1/4, wow again.

Looks like it worked hey?  ;D

Yes its look like its starting to work 👍
They had made a little prep early in the morning before start I belive thats why the 60ft was 1,47 😉

Awesome John, really pleased you kept going with the engine and it is making decent power 8)

cheers Richie

Thanks for your comments
I belive there is a bit better time in it when I am not so rusty and have learn to stage straight in 😇
Here is some photo from "John Jensen ta selv foto"

good to see it on the track again
i hope you have a good season
it hooks wel on the pic
so plenty power there

gr henri

 8) 8)

Great achievement ...

Last weekend I was out testing again to get more seat time in a local street race no prep a lot of wheelspin 60ft around 1,65 but at least I run high 10sek 😉

wow nice
this thing is getting in to it

 8) :)

Congrats with finally getting into the 10`s Elnef!! Well deserved that is for sure! Now that you have got the next one will be a lot easier  :)

See you at SCC? With race car I hope!

-BB-

Thanks
(I did made one 10sek in 2014)
This time I did a lot more and with no prep so I will call my car a 10sek car finally 😃
I dont think I will come to scc with car it cost a lot of money and with a car without licensplate I will get in troble with the custom
One of the local was in thunder valle and had to pay a lot of 1000kr in costum fee if I renember it was 15-20000kr
(He got them back almost a year later but it was not easy)
I had never heard about it and have never had a problem maybe its because I normal drive around sweden my friend took boat direct to norway

There are proper ways to do this, you just have to check with you local customs office before taking the car across the border. Even without a license plate as long as you have the customs papers from when you took it into Denmark.
I hope you will reconsider bringing the car, it would be great! You know the track has been redone and is super flat with great traction!

New shifter test mounted 😉
Nose cone and shifter rods next thing to do
Thanks to Richie and Jyrky for help and advice 👍

Well "just" need to put the new shifter in my car but like allways it take a little longer
But there is still a few days to make it work first race sathurday

Does the MSE shifter also need three rods like the JCL one ? I´m a little afraid of the ajustments that will come with them.  :)

Regards
Stefan

Yes 3 rods just like jcl
I am also afraid of the adjustment but there is a lot of info with the shifter

 :o
i got nothing more as i bought it, in the next weeks i´ll try it out and see what comes out

Give me your mail and I will send you a copy of what I got with my shifter

That would be nice  :o
Thank you! Send it to: stefan@kraftkaefer.de

i can inform about my experiences next weeks

Mail send  ;)

Thank you !!!

After a little road test the new shifter is now tested and work so far 😉
This weekend I will make some 1/8mile run on main street in Allingåbro
http://www.motor-festival.dk

This year show race on main street in Allingåbro was not 1/8 but 330ft = 100m not the best but ok for me to test the new shifter setup
I had some problems with clutch less shifting but with clutch it work great
Best time was 1,47 60ft 4.45 330ft 125 km/t I think it is a high 6sek on 1/8

Good to see you got shifter in and working ok then 8)

Now THAT's what you call a gearbox lift!!

Looking good!

Action 😃

Dont keep us waiting..

Times??  ;D

Look up a few post 😉

Best time was 1,47 60ft 4.45 330ft 125 km/t I think it is a high 6sek on 1/8

DOH  ::)

Congrats with the first place winning this weekend, my friend !! 👍👍😎😎👊👊 Now let’s see that big trophy ! 🥇🏆🍾🤴

WTG Elnef! Gratuliere!

I`m so happy to learn that a T4 engine can win races  ;)

Congrats M8!

-BB-

Thanks 👍
Well was at DHB this weekend and took the win in modified street 😃
It was at Padborg Park a cirkle track with 201m race
Best time 7,01 1,59 60ft

You are allowed to smile :o :D  Congrats on the win John 8)

Richie I am really trying but I was very tired 😉
I have been out racing the last 4 weekend at different street races and will also go again next weekend only to test my set up and to get more seat time after next weekend I think my car and I is ready to go to drag race with a lot of prep 😉
All my time is around 60ft 1,6  7,0 11.0

Congratulations!

Thanks 👍

Well 5 weekend in a row was the end of my crank it is broken again
I can rotate flywheel so I belive it is broken just behind end bearing hmm
It was making so much rpm that my rotor explode

That's terrible luck. I've never seen a rotor arm explode like that though!

The most unlucky engine ever? I feel for you..


Could there be a common fault here? A crank balancing machine thats not quite right etc?

Not unlucky and probably not a balancing fault either.
Imo a 86 stroke with long rods and 104mm bore pistons at far over 7K gives (way) more crank flex then smaller strokes with smaller bores unless everthing is extreme lightweight, like Titanium rods and those kinda things.
Extreme stiff cranks are what you need AND extreme light weight rotating mass with those RPM's is the only cure to keep it in one piece imo. Everything that helps stiffness (larger mains, better steel, better surface treatments, etc) should be looked into. All those steps usually costs way more $$ then the 'off-the-shelf' parts.
But thats just my opinion and probably not a new fact to Elnef ;-)

Just saying that - imo - it surely hasn't anything to do with luck or bad balancing imo.

I think I have found the end of what the parts I have bought can handle 80x105
Today I got time/energy to look at it again
Just about everything need to be replaced block crank rod piston liners etc etc
But this time I think its time to step op a bit but what to buy any info is welcome 😉
I think pauter but I know about nothing if it will last or not

Welded crank is NO NO for racing!

Pauter can handle 1000+ hp. It might be enought for you?  ???

I broke a scat billet 86mm years ago thats why I tryed a 80mm dpr its god german steel

1000hp yes thats way enought I am no turbo guy 😉

I believe AIRSPEED has given the correct answer with regards the crank. The fact that the crank broke at the flywheel end tell me that the motor must have been at high revs with a side step off the clutch and bang went the crank. I've seen/read about it before. This is the reason I stick with 66 mm cranks on my T4 turbo motor.

All the best for the your next motor.

I am using a welded DPR in my 67, it makes about 300hp and I shift at 7800rpm, been in car for last 3 years or so, plenty people using them in higher hp and more rpm than me and they are living ok so they can work ok, as John has broken at least one other brand crank I think there is another issue going on here but I don't know enough about type 4 issues to comments on what that might be

cheers Richie   

Don't immediately assume it then must be a type 4 'issue' mate  ;)

I know the 1303 CSP racer with its 3 ltr type 4 engine with 86 stroke runs way over 8K rpm and over 300hp afaik and never heard him break a crank. Maybe you can contact him or Udo as they seem to work together, even though Udo hates type4's as well  :D

BTW, Scat does sell real forged type 4 cranks as well as their cheap billet forged cranks (they don't advertise these iirc)...there is a difference ;-)

 :D ;D  Of course it is  :o ;





































A type 1 would have broken a lot quicker :D :D  but seriously there is something funky going on here, am wondering if t4 crank being longer has anything to do with it, maybe flexes more, I wouldn't expect a 86mm t1 crank with t4 size mains to fail like this but maybe I am being optimistic 

Predictable  :D :D :D

Thanks for all your input
It was when I shifted to 2nd it broke
I am i contact with udo this time and also last time it broke
Csp 1303 was with a 86mm scat billet
My scat crank was about 1500$ I dont know if it is the cheap one but dont think so

Does the end of the crank look like it's been twisting and then let go or is it a clean break. Wondering if it was faulty from the start. It's rare for it to break like that.

Sorry, but yes, it is...

No problem 😉 it was about 10years ago I bought it so cant renember

At my first look it is not tvisted more like clean break

How's the rest of the engine.

Bad.......just about everything between heds need replace
Heads need new spring and maybe valves and guides

Time for a little brake tomorrow I will go to Sweden to see gasolin street week (swedish drag week) 😃

What is the material of your crankshaft pulley? Steel or aluminum?

I would be very concerned about using heavy pulley on the other end of the crankshft especially if it is long due to torsional vibrations.
Crankshaft, pulley and the flywheel are a system with a certain rpm's when it is "excited" and torsional vibrations total amplitude might
peak higher with a heavier pulley than a lighter one. A lot of engineering goes into designing crankshaft vibration dampers and generally
it is not recommended to install one into an engine which the part was not originally designed for. Same thing applies for removing OEM damper.
Just a food for thought, I am deffinetly not an expert on the subject.

Pekka 
   

Back home from street week what a great event 5 days 5 tracks a lot of racing about 7 hours every day 🙂🙂

My pulley is a heavy steel

Time for a little update
All my type4 engineparts is sold to a good friend and I have bought another engine belive it or not its a type 1 😜
Its a old jpm build 2387 he did for johan dryselius 👍

Wow!

is that going on E85 or?

At JPM it was dynoed on vp race fuel a friend of mine selling sunoco race fuel so I think I will try sunoco gt+

Interesting engine! How fast it has gone and how much were the weight of car?

Johan ran 9.85 in a 520kg car + driver
My car weight 660kg + driver so a 10sek something in my car

👍

Almost a year since I bought this engine but been busy with the green oval but now I got time to take the new engine appart
Everything look fine just a clean and back again

Getting closer to start up 😉

Time to put engine in car and make some drysump lines

Looks SWEET!!!

I have just started the engine and it sound snappy 😃

Going old school (type1) !! Looks great John. 

It doesn't exist til we see/hear it  ;)

From the dyno today 😀👍

 8) Teløk me æ tal, Tommy  8)

👍💪

Wow!

Impressive result.
Seem the carb is bergs? 52 or 58?
What is your best setting for carbs? Ventury ?

TOO TRUE!!!

WOWEEEE

Thanks

Yes 58mm Bergs 50mm venturie

Good stuff John 8)

First test with this new engine 3 month ago did not go very well
No good numbers and a cam failure
Today I got my new cam JPM billet now time to put engine back together and more test run in a few weeks

Very nice cam.

Some test run with the new engine/cam
Still a lot to work with to get it away and run some decent 60ft and ET times

well done . :)

Rgs./E

At last race my engine make some oil smoke I took it appart and yes I have done a fail in mounting oilring got new ring from jpm/je very fast delivery but had no time to put it on in time to race more this year but I gave it a shot and started friday after job to put engine together again and late evening I was ready then some sleep and a 5 our trip to malmø
It all pay of the new slicks I got from richie 7” work very well and I finally made a decent 60ft 1,40 and no oil smoke but no god et times my gearbox started to not to stay in 3rd but I am happy with 1,40

Well done on the big effort to get engine done to get to track :) Glad slicks are working ok for you 8)

Any video Elnef??

Cheers

Thanks Richie
Brewsy yes on my iphone dont know how to post it here I have posted it on face no god run only decent 60ft next gearbox fix and ready to next year with hopfully more seat time 😉

A couple of photos from last race

 😎👍

I did not know but roak made this video from the day where the new cam was up and running also the day where I was strugling to get away best that day was 1,51 and 6,8

https://m.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR0f1cjxkrLZbXXUWvS1tlUAhdf3eSZlWOsrqfsJFzRaheLJGYU3QrWbltI&feature=youtu.be&v=4DGZn7Yv-ek

Well another year has gone time is flying 😳
This year started with a gearbox fresh up and after that I had the car on the race track 4 times it all went okay and finally a pb 6.76 1/8 hope to try it on 1/4 next year

getting faster

Out with old mild steel
In with Docol R8

Nice! How much weight did you save from that steel to chro-mo upgrade?

You treed me >:( ;D, was thinking exactly same thing  ;D

Better get used to it  :D :D :D

A lot of the old cage was made in 3,5-4mm thicknes and some was 42mm with no reason these is now 32mm as rules says
Also a few pipes did not get in again

My gues is 30kg time will tell when finish

Total on car is now 615,5 and before it was 664

Docol alone was 27,7kg less the other kg came from battery and other small things

Nice result! Chr-Mo cage all the way thus it seems. Probably good value per kg saved.

NICE!

I met Sören by coincident few weeks ago, when I delivered some car parts to him in Norrköping.
Suddenly we talked VW and your name/the job he did, came up. Cool!

Small world  ;)

John, having just read this thread from start to finish (I’m on holiday), what a journey you’ve been on! You’ve certainly shown amazing resilience.

I was so pleased the story had a happy ending when I finally got there and you made it through all the dark days with the car and your health.

It felt like a gripping novel with twists and turns, but ultimately an amazing tale of endurance and determination!

If I finally get my act together and race in Scandinavia and your there, I’ll buy you a beer.

Thanks for the story and the motivation.

Peter

❤️☝️

Peter thanks for the kind words

A few years ago I saw your car at JPM you have also been on a big journey we can buy each other a beer

Its sometimes funny in what way people get involved in vw in 89/90 I painted a 60 type1 for a guy that later become a wery good friend and for payment I got my first car a 62 type1 I had it for daylydriver in 10years and later I made it a showcar and had it for about 10 more years before I sold it
Griebel was one of the guys who came in my friends garage at dayly basis and we are still friends 😉

I bought my buggy in 95 got it on the street in 96 first with a1700 type4 and later in 96 I put in the first big cc engine in it it was a type 4 2,4L my 2,4L was put together by m flow another local guy I also painted a car in exchange for putting this engine together
My 2,4L had a lot of upgrade over the years first time on dyno it made 167hp and last time 222hp with belt and mufler
First time I was on the strip was at bug run  in 97 ran 8,21 as far I renember and after that day I have been racing on and off
M flow and I is also still friends

I can see I also need a update for 2022 I was at 6 different races and it was as usually a season with ups and downs but made at last a new pb 6,70  

2023 I dont think I will be out racing because last week I got a new knee and it will take some time to get on 100% again

2022 race photo

I think its time for a little update on this projekt
At my last race in 2022 I lost my oil pressure because of a broken tap in my pump
All the damage is now fixed and got all the parts to put it together again
I also took the “fight” with the bad fiberdoors I bought long time ago also bought a new front with old style headlights and the body finally got some paint after 13years in primer same with rollcage
My new knee is getting better day by day

I love that exhaust position  ;D

Looks good John  :)

cheers Richie

Thanks
A few more photos of the last days work

John,
   I just read your story from beginning to end. You, Sir, are to be commended. The perseverance you posses is off the charts! Well done Sir.

Thanks
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