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Title: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: Ivan on August 14, 2008, 18:49:15 pm
Everybody and their dog loves '67s, but the rarest '67 of them all is the 1200 Standard  or 'Base Model'. It get's a whole lot rarer if it was originally ordered from new with the optional Golde ragtop sunroof (the last Beetle model/year to be offered by VW with a ragtop.) And then it gets far rarer if it was also ordered new as a Right Hand Drive car - as the only ones know were ordered as hire cars by a company on the Channel Islands between England and France.

It is thought 10 cars were ordered - about three are still known.

One of them is for sale!   


http://www.leriche.com/sales/carview.asp?reg=J72182&page=4


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: Jim Ratto on August 14, 2008, 19:02:38 pm
Mark P. (old manager at Buggy House in 1980's) owned a European 1967 1200 standard, with a sliding cloth sunroof. It was a real trip.

Not sure if it was a RHD or LHD or where it is now. Last time I saw it was 1990.


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: Ivan on August 14, 2008, 19:08:06 pm
Check the spec!

No window trim, no overiders, painted turn signal housings, painted hubcaps, painted quarterlights, painted window winders, inner door handles, really basic door pulls and basic door panels with no map pocket, no dash tim, rubber floor mats instaed of carpet, seats without back rest latches - keep looking you keep finding LESS!


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: Jim Ratto on August 14, 2008, 19:10:49 pm
Check the spec!

No window trim, no overiders, painted turn signal housings, painted hubcaps, painted quarterlights, painted window winders, inner door handles, really basic door pulls and basic door panels with no map pocket, no dash tim, rubber floor mats instaed of carpet, seats without back rest latches - keep looking you keep finding LESS!

if it would have come with a hotrod motor and suspension settings we could refer to it as a Bettle 1200RS


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: Ivan on August 14, 2008, 19:18:11 pm
Check the spec!

No window trim, no overiders, painted turn signal housings, painted hubcaps, painted quarterlights, painted window winders, inner door handles, really basic door pulls and basic door panels with no map pocket, no dash tim, rubber floor mats instaed of carpet, seats without back rest latches - keep looking you keep finding LESS!

if it would have come with a hotrod motor and suspension settings we could refer to it as a Bettle 1200RS

A hot rod motor/tranny and suspension is EXACTLY what this car wants! No matter how rare it is, I certainly wouldn't want to cheat it out of having a little fun in its old age.

It's pretty much a factory California Look Bug - just add montser drivetrain.


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: kev d on August 14, 2008, 19:19:36 pm
Someone needs to buy this & fit a hot motor 8)


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: Black Sheep on August 14, 2008, 19:25:36 pm
I used to have one of these standard's with a cloth roof , found it in a lock up round the back of my old place , sold it to Boom Boom and got it back , then sold it on again to some fella up north for peanuts about 8 -> ten years ago , still kick myself when I think about it  :-[ .



Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: Rennsurfer on August 14, 2008, 19:28:36 pm
WOW! Seriously cool car. Love the painted turn signal housings on the front fenders, too. Thanks for showing us that.
(http://www.leriche.com/sales/photos/J72182%5Cf.jpg)


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: sheep on August 14, 2008, 19:42:24 pm
I think it would make a great baja ;D


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: Tony M on August 14, 2008, 20:17:11 pm
Just what i was thinking Frank  ;) - Big Marks car also had semi's on it if i am correct - will call him today and recheck - But it was not RHD - That i rember.


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: ST DRAGN on August 14, 2008, 21:10:33 pm
 Interesting vehicle to see in person. I notice there is no trim on the dash however there is on the exterior of the vehicle? I always assumed  that a "standard" vehicle had no trim at all...Also, I never could figure out why the euro standard came with only one front grill?


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: Nico86 on August 14, 2008, 21:14:58 pm
Interesting vehicle to see in person. I notice there is no trim on the dash however there is on the exterior of the vehicle? I always assumed  that a "standard" vehicle had no trim at all...Also, I never could figure out why the euro standard came with only one front grill?

I know a 1200 std from 69 that was restored as og, it has trim only on the side of the car, not on the front hood, not on the dash and not on windows rubbers. But it has 2 horn grills and chrome turn signals, a little luxury on late std !  ;D.


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: javabug on August 15, 2008, 03:02:38 am
That's a seriously cool car.  I usually stay far away from rare stuff, but I'd consider that if I were in a position to. 


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: Ivan on August 15, 2008, 14:39:40 pm
Interesting vehicle to see in person. I notice there is no trim on the dash however there is on the exterior of the vehicle? I always assumed  that a "standard" vehicle had no trim at all...Also, I never could figure out why the euro standard came with only one front grill?

The Standard had side trim in '67 but no hood trim. It didn't come with trim on the running boards either. The reason for one horn grille was that the horn was behind it. The reason a Deluxe had two grilles was purely aesthetic - to level things out when you looked at the car from the front.

The other thing worth noting is the headliner - If you zoom in on the pic above you'll be able to see the area under the window is painted. The Standard only had a headliner in the center of the roof - the bit above you. The rest was painted body color. 


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: Nico86 on August 15, 2008, 14:42:23 pm
The other thing worth noting is the headliner - If you zoom in on the pic above you'll be able to see the area under the window is painted. The Standard only had a headliner in the center of the roof - the bit above you. The rest was painted body color. 

Got the same on the 69 std I know. I'm wondering if the wheels are og on this 67 std, they come out with black & white rims and body-color hubcaps ?


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: Sam K on August 15, 2008, 15:34:34 pm
That car is too cool! I would love to buy it and import to the U.S.


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: Shubee2 (DSK) on August 15, 2008, 18:01:53 pm
Here is another 67 Ragtop standard no chrome on the dash carpet looks like felt? notice Fuel Lever


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: ST DRAGN on August 15, 2008, 18:05:02 pm
The Standard had side trim in '67 but no hood trim. It didn't come with trim on the running boards either. The reason for one horn grille was that the horn was behind it. The reason a Deluxe had two grilles was purely aesthetic - to level things out when you looked at the car from the front.





If that's true, The front hood wound be the rarest item on the car. ( A factory Cal look hood ) and a one year only! 
 In regards to the front grill, I understand why there is cut out for the horn grill. just looks like that someone was cutting corners to save a buck. being that it was the hold idea..





Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: Nico86 on August 15, 2008, 18:51:41 pm
On this red one the steering wheel seems not to be og, it must be the same as the blue one, with just a black horn button in the center without Wolfsburg's emblem.


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: speedwell on August 15, 2008, 23:49:50 pm
here're a picture of the headliner from my 61 standard  ;)


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: Zach Gomulka on August 15, 2008, 23:56:41 pm
What does the B pillar look like on a standard model? Does it still have the rubber strip that seals the door ???


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: speedwell on August 16, 2008, 10:31:09 am
zack what the b pillar ::) ::) , let me know and i will take picture on my car


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: beetletom on August 16, 2008, 12:36:43 pm
anyone got a close up pic of the b piller?

as i'm turning my bug into a 1200 inside....


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: Rocket Ron on August 16, 2008, 13:59:13 pm
the " b " pillar on my 73 1200 standard is just painted metal with a dark grey plastic strip that covers the join of the two metal panels that meet there.

i'll get some photos later.

This is the factory finish as when I got my car it had all 1200 standard spec bits ie the rubber floor mats and felt type carpet. two owners from new.

Shame I f**ked it all up and chucked away all the mats, put early panels on it etc.

It was the mid '80s, a £150 car and I didn't know any better ::) ::) 




 


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: Black Sheep on August 16, 2008, 15:48:24 pm
On both of my old 67 standard's the B pillar was just painted with a thin grey plastic strip covering the exposed seam from the headliner down to the heater channel , hope that helps .


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: speedwell on August 16, 2008, 17:20:38 pm
nobody want to said what is the B pillar i know i 'm stupid but i've a standart too  ::)


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: beetletom on August 16, 2008, 17:21:40 pm
thanks!!
but is the headlining strip cut off?or a plastic strip that covers the lot?
as the one at the rear of the car isnt there and above the door opening...




Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: Rennsurfer on August 16, 2008, 17:36:58 pm
nobody want to said what is the B pillar i know i 'm stupid but i've a standart too  ::)

Fabian, every hardtop car has pillars (vertical support beams that attach from the roof to the lower body). The A pillars are just forward of your wing vents. The B pillars are where your striker plates are located where your doors shut/open. C pillars are just behind the rear quarter windows. Some estates (wagons) even have D and E pillars like Volvos and Benzes. A convertible would only have the front A pillars, in theory. Unless it's a Speester or roadster where the windshield is a separate piece that attached to the body. Confused yet? HAHA!!

Hope that helps, brother.


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: Nico86 on August 16, 2008, 19:02:15 pm
nobody want to said what is the B pillar i know i 'm stupid but i've a standart too  ::)


Fabs, "B pillar" is "montant de porte", celui entre la porte et les custodes arrières ;) Just under your interior light on the pic you post above.


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: speedwell on August 16, 2008, 21:38:54 pm
nobody want to said what is the B pillar i know i 'm stupid but i've a standart too  ::)

Fabian, every hardtop car has pillars (vertical support beams that attach from the roof to the lower body). The A pillars are just forward of your wing vents. The B pillars are where your striker plates are located where your doors shut/open. C pillars are just behind the rear quarter windows. Some estates (wagons) even have D and E pillars like Volvos and Benzes. A convertible would only have the front A pillars, in theory. Unless it's a Speester or roadster where the windshield is a separate piece that attached to the body. Confused yet? HAHA!!

Hope that helps, brother.


nobody want to said what is the B pillar i know i 'm stupid but i've a standart too  ::)


Fabs, "B pillar" is "montant de porte", celui entre la porte et les custodes arrières ;) Just under your interior light on the pic you post above.
thx guys pict will follow tomorrow  ;)


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: Dom S on August 18, 2008, 21:14:05 pm
I think I might own a 67 1200 basic model. Some of the one of parts have been replaced but most of it is still there.
Mine doesn't have a fuel gauge, interior light or front trim. Still has rubber mats all round, grey plastic strip down the b pillar, and the original 1200 motor.
Its a UK right hand drive car in pearl white. Below is a pic. Didn't realise 1200 basic models were few & far between.
Dom.



Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: javabug on August 19, 2008, 17:01:05 pm
Here's a 1300 that I saw a couple years ago.  Really liked its basic appearance.  Was from Canada, if I remember correctly.

(http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/179255.jpg)

(http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/179254.jpg)

(http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/179256.jpg)


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: speedwell on August 19, 2008, 17:40:01 pm
nice just add a nice and rare set of wheels


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: Shubee2 (DSK) on August 19, 2008, 23:45:40 pm
here is another 67 Standard


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: Rennsurfer on August 20, 2008, 05:56:20 am
In the '80s, this was my favorite '67 Standard. D.K.K.'s own Jeffrey Hicken drove this beauty around town. Such a cool car!
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj128/Rennsurfer/Cars/JeffHickensStandard67.jpg)


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: 1957lowlight on August 24, 2008, 07:16:57 am
Yeah, I love the 67 standard ragtop too.  In fact, by explaining to Kurt Van Perre, how rare the 67 ragtop was back in the late nineties, I could convince him of buying the car and make a true callooker from it and that's what he did  :)


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: Sarge on August 24, 2008, 13:42:31 pm

Here's a 1300 that I saw a couple years ago.  Really liked its basic appearance.  Was from Canada, if I remember correctly.


What I'd give to stumble onto a car like that today!  SWEEEEEET!!


Yeah, I love the 67 standard ragtop too.  In fact, by explaining to Kurt Van Perre, how rare the 67 ragtop was back in the late nineties, I could convince him of buying the car and make a true callooker from it and that's what he did  :)


That bein' said, where's Kurt been??  Haven't seen him on here lately.



Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: axam48ida on September 22, 2008, 18:12:47 pm
what actually consistutes a standard car. I am talking for US import.
I just sold a all original 67 that had full trim, bumper guard (chrome bar from left over rider to right side)
radio, floor mats and carpet along with a locking decklid. this car I got from the original owner and it had 100,000 miles on it.
Now the 67 I just got  has the bumper guards, rubber mats, no radio and it has the little factory plug still in place and no
locking engine deck lid.
were the little accessories just added on here at the dealers? radio, locking latches??


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: Nico86 on October 08, 2008, 18:26:20 pm
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(http://i52.servimg.com/u/f52/11/42/01/16/ad415413.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=891&u=11420116)

(http://i52.servimg.com/u/f52/11/42/01/16/cox_6710.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=892&u=11420116)

(http://i52.servimg.com/u/f52/11/42/01/16/cox_6711.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=893&u=11420116)

(http://i52.servimg.com/u/f52/11/42/01/16/cox_6712.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=894&u=11420116)

(http://i52.servimg.com/u/f52/11/42/01/16/cox_6713.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=895&u=11420116)

(http://i52.servimg.com/u/f52/11/42/01/16/cox_6714.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=896&u=11420116)

(http://i52.servimg.com/u/f52/11/42/01/16/cox_6715.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=897&u=11420116)

(http://i52.servimg.com/u/f52/11/42/01/16/cox_6716.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=898&u=11420116)


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: Nico86 on October 08, 2008, 18:27:48 pm
(http://i52.servimg.com/u/f52/11/42/01/16/kever_10.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=912&u=11420116)

(http://i52.servimg.com/u/f52/11/42/01/16/kever_11.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=913&u=11420116)

(http://i52.servimg.com/u/f52/11/42/01/16/kever_12.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=914&u=11420116)


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: speedwell on October 08, 2008, 18:46:32 pm
nico it's yours??? you're into watercooled too ::) ::) ::)


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: beetletom on October 08, 2008, 20:11:33 pm
anymore pics of the early mk1 golf? 8)


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: Nico86 on October 09, 2008, 00:04:17 am
nico it's yours??? you're into watercooled too ::) ::) ::)

anymore pics of the early mk1 golf? 8)

No guys it's not mine, that would have been cool but I just found the pics on the net  :D :D. And by the way, my daily driver is a 77 mk1 (and I'll never put those crystal ugly and shitty headlights on mine !) ;D.


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: dames on October 06, 2022, 02:13:52 am
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Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: dames on October 06, 2022, 02:17:10 am
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Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: karl h on October 06, 2022, 08:02:53 am
wow, sunroof standard, ruby red, 1300cc


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: dames on October 06, 2022, 09:25:27 am
wow, sunroof standard, ruby red, 1300cc
Not 1300 the standards were 1200. Matching number car too I think.


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: Steve67 on October 06, 2022, 12:30:42 pm
Wow, that's really a rare car.
Great find!!


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: dames on October 06, 2022, 13:56:59 pm
Wow, that's really a rare car.
Great find!!
Thanks Steve.
The deal with my wife was I will sell my earlybay to pay for the restoration on this beauty. I think we need to renegotiate these terms now its here ;D
Spent a couple of hours getting up close with it this morning. It still has the strange rubber carpets and original floor mats. Door panels are great and seats look good. I wont to doing much to the interior other than a good clean.
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Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: alex d on October 06, 2022, 14:35:53 pm
great find! it just needs some cleaning and a 2275  ;D


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: leec on October 06, 2022, 16:09:30 pm
Cool car, I’d be trying to carefully remove the paint over the original paint.
Is it a ‘find’ if it’s listed on eBay  ???


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: dames on October 06, 2022, 16:30:40 pm
Cool car, I’d be trying to carefully remove the paint over the original paint.
Is it a ‘find’ if it’s listed on eBay  ???
Found on ebay if you prefer.
I have started  today removing the paint but not sure how much will be left after welding is done. It is satisfying though and I realise what a labour of love this is as I did a baywindow once that was way more stubborn than the paint on this beetle.
My baywindow has a 2017cc type1 engine and would be great in this beetle but I think its matching numbers so would be a real shame to change it.


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: leec on October 06, 2022, 21:36:04 pm
Does it need a lot of welding? Doesn’t look too bad in the pics. I have a 69 and 70 beetle that’s matching numbers, sometimes makes sense to remove the original engine and keep safe somewhere else


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: nicolas on October 07, 2022, 07:40:54 am
Does it need a lot of welding? Doesn’t look too bad in the pics. I have a 69 and 70 beetle that’s matching numbers, sometimes makes sense to remove the original engine and keep safe somewhere else

I agree. you can do the car (in this case I would actually do it as original yeah I am getting old) and service the original engine, keep it and put in a fun 1776 or your 2017 if you want. should be fun.


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: BugBusBuggy on October 07, 2022, 11:06:29 am
the " b " pillar on my 73 1200 standard is just painted metal with a dark grey plastic strip that covers the join of the two metal panels that meet there.

i'll get some photos later.

This is the factory finish as when I got my car it had all 1200 standard spec bits ie the rubber floor mats and felt type carpet. two owners from new.

Shame I f**ked it all up and chucked away all the mats, put early panels on it etc.

It was the mid '80s, a £150 car and I didn't know any better ::) ::) 


Did exactly the same to my '68 1200 basic...
Added 67 front and rear valence etc, 67 doors, 1600tp (now 2276 though).
It's ready for some more work, and I wonder whether to take it back to 68 spec...

 


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: Phil13 on October 08, 2022, 18:39:53 pm
Does anyone know how many of the ´67 standards with ragtop were build back in the days ?


Title: Re: Seriously Rare Car!
Post by: chris67bug on October 27, 2022, 23:10:55 pm
Formerly mine many years ago: